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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Pete on April 27, 2014, 12:10:15 PM
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By all-time, I mean since 1993, our first bowl year of the Snyder/Prince/Snyder era.
I put this group at 2nd to last, a spot ahead of the Keithen Valentine led Ron Prince team. We've had some really great running backs over the years, so being 2nd to last isn't quite as bad as it sounds. These guys are way better than Keithen Valentine.
But, they'll cost us. I am revising my prediction down a game simply because of the running backs....UNLESS our offense changes quite a bit and we really spread it out and throw more than we ever have under Snyder, but I don't even know if that would help or be worse, just different and unpredictable.
To sum up, I think we might just be complete dog crap running the ball this year. GO CATS!
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More like running back corpse :fatty: Sounds like deadwood, but I'll have to check with elwood.
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you're probably right Pete, but we could be surprised when the season starts.
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How many true freshman runningbacks has Snyder started?
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i want to talk about our speed merchants!
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
I agree with this.
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Not very high.
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I need to check with 'clams but Judah Jones looks like he might be an all-burner team candidate.
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By all-time, I mean since 1993, our first bowl year of the Snyder/Prince/Snyder era.
I put this group at 2nd to last, a spot ahead of the Keithen Valentine led Ron Prince team. We've had some really great running backs over the years, so being 2nd to last isn't quite as bad as it sounds. These guys are way better than Keithen Valentine.
But, they'll cost us. I am revising my prediction down a game simply because of the running backs....UNLESS our offense changes quite a bit and we really spread it out and throw more than we ever have under Snyder, but I don't even know if that would help or be worse, just different and unpredictable.
To sum up, I think we might just be complete dog crap running the ball this year. GO CATS!
I liked Keithen Valentine, and would definitely be happy with him this year
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
I agree with this, and I think Warmack will be the third.
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
I agree with this.
Strongly disagree. Scobey and Cartwright were easily the best one-two punch we ever had in the backfield.
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
I agree with this.
Strongly disagree. Scobey and Cartwright were easily the best one-two punch we ever had in the backfield.
Cartwright didn't do crap as a RB
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Scobey is underrated. He was close to Thomas levels of awesome for shitty teams.
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JJ Smith was rough ridin' awesome. Frank Murphy was an NFL running back. We've had LOADS of really good running backs.
Goolsby was a fantastic runner as well, very Okoye like. Joe Hall was a freakish athlete at 280+ pounds with juke moves.
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
I agree with this.
Strongly disagree. Scobey and Cartwright were easily the best one-two punch we ever had in the backfield.
Cartwright didn't do crap as a RB
Cartwright was an amazing runner. particularly on those little underneath FB dives. I don't understand how you can't see that, unless you literally did not witness him running.
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The 1-2 punch of Hickson and Lawrence was maybe the best attack in the conference at the time.
Christ people, we have had TONS of complete studs at running back.
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I think the only running backs at K-State that really made a difference were Sproles and Thomas. Everyone else was more or less a product of their O-Line.
I agree with this.
Strongly disagree. Scobey and Cartwright were easily the best one-two punch we ever had in the backfield.
Cartwright didn't do crap as a RB
Cartwright was an amazing runner. particularly on those little underneath FB dives. I don't understand how you can't see that, unless you literally did not witness him running.
Yes, Cartwright was a great runner but his 570 career rushing yards didn't necessarily make a difference.
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Yes, Cartwright was a great runner but his 570 career rushing yards didn't necessarily make a difference.
It made a huge difference, because many of those yards came in big bursts. I haven't looked up his numbers, but I remember him having a very high yardage per carry. I mean, he was our second or third option at the time and he was an NFL talent.
My point here is that we have had some really great players run the ball at K-State over the years, AND I do not think that this current group is close to that standard at all.
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If Leverette can take care of his blocking responsibilities, then I think we will all be pleasantly surprised with a 1-2 punch of Leverett and Warmack. That's a big "if" though, we could very well suck ass if Charles Jones and DMac take all the carries this year. Really need our talented studs to figure out their assignments (not just at running back).
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A part of me is still holding out hope that Robinson will live up to his 4 stars but the fact that he can't seem to stay healthy isn't good.
I think Leverett is also more than capable to be the man. I think he was the best back yesterday. However, like Dlew said, the offensive line is going to have to be really good for our running game to have a good year.
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Considering Bill didn't open up the playbook yesterday is a bit of a relief knowing we probably still have a few aces up our sleeves. The backs weren't impressive but they also didn't run a lot of fancy plays. What I liked seeing was that they ran hard, they had good ball protection, and they were patient waiting for plays to develop. Their blocking could use a little work as well as finding lanes and knowing/where/how to cut. Waters has improved his running skills as well, and overall I felt like he has improved his decision-making skills. He was patient in the pocket and allowed his receivers to get open, and when it wasn't there he knew when and where to run and ran effectively. He had to make some tough throws and was fighting the wind all day. All the little things that the backs and QBs are getting critiqued on right now are very minor and will improve as they move on to summer workouts. The line will improve too. They have all summer to get it down.
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i expect to see a lot of 4wr sets with gronk as the lone back. we are going to stink at running the ball unless we are so BA at passing that things open up for a fast guy like robs/warmack.
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I thought the RBs looked fine. Not sure what's going on here.
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I thought the RBs looked fine. Not sure what's going on here.
do you think there is a weaker position? you have to meltdown about the weakest position.
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I thought the RBs looked fine. Not sure what's going on here.
do you think there is a weaker position? you have to meltdown about the weakest position.
qb? a lot of others too probably
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:Woohoo:
I thought the RBs looked fine. Not sure what's going on here.
do you think there is a weaker position? you have to meltdown about the weakest position.
The oline played like crap and we look thin at punter.
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I thought the RBs looked fine. Not sure what's going on here.
do you think there is a weaker position? you have to meltdown about the weakest position.
qb? a lot of others too probably
oh crap carnes i almost took you seriously. lol at me.
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:Woohoo:I thought the RBs looked fine. Not sure what's going on here.
do you think there is a weaker position? you have to meltdown about the weakest position.
The oline played like crap and we look thin at punter.
the punters really sucked in warmups too. the oline looked like they didn't care. it's a problem if they don't care during the season, but athletically they look great.
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this team has a lot of weaknesses. a lot.
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To take away anything from the spring game is incredibly stupid.
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I don't know, guys. I'm blown away by Warmack's highlights. We may not see much of him this year, but I think he'll be amazing. More like Darvin Sprolemack, am I right? :drool:
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Also, we should all consider how the read option is a major part of the offense. When the QB only needs to be touched it doesn't really create a realistic scenario as we would see in a real game.
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There was one play that absolutely infurated me to the point that I almost punched the infant sitting next to me, and that play of course was Water's forward pass across the line of scrimmage.
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I don't know, guys. I'm blown away by Warmack's highlights. We may not see much of him this year, but I think he'll be amazing. More like Darvin Sprolemack, am I right? :drool:
eff that ... he looks like a shiftier, faster Barry Sanders with Jim Brown power. You must know nothing about football.
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that wasn't our starting line out there either. Risner and Hayes are both likely to start.
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that wasn't our starting line out there either. Risner and Hayes are both likely to start.
Where's Risner going to play? Guard?
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that wasn't our starting line out there either. Risner and Hayes are both likely to start.
Where's Risner going to play? Guard?
probably. i don't think drew liddle will beat him out for it.
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that wasn't our starting line out there either. Risner and Hayes are both likely to start.
Where's Risner going to play? Guard?
probably. i don't think drew liddle will beat him out for it.
That makes sense but Snyder usually goes for experience over talent if they're young.
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risner is more likely to redshirt than start.
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risner is more likely to redshirt than start.
you really think so?
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2005 was pretty weak IMO. Thomas Clayton is one of my least fav all time Cats, and by the end we were relying on Victor Mann a lot.
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risner is more likely to redshirt than start.
you really think so?
yeah. to be a starter he would have to beat out about 6 guys who are heavier and 2-3 years older than him. and every olineman in history(besides bj) redshirted as a freshman.
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Warmack isn't going to start next season, retards.
Seriously, what about Charles Jones and Leverett has you worried at RB?
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Warmack isn't going to start next season, retards.
Seriously, what about Charles Jones and Leverett has you worried at RB?
neither have finishing speed, great size/power, or are elusive.
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Who's the starting line as of now? Hayes, Whitehair, Finney, And I'm assuming Stiverson? And then either Liddle? Or our other Juco dude coming in?
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Warmack isn't going to start next season, retards.
Seriously, what about Charles Jones and Leverett has you worried at RB?
neither have finishing speed, great size/power, or are elusive.
Did you determine this from watching 5 plays at a glorified practice?
Leverett was scout team POY last season.
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The point to remember is, that all you dorks (except for me and later on Stevesie) thought we were so screwed when Hubert was going to be the guy because he wasn't big or particularly elusive or fast. Then all of a sudden, he was a first team all conference talent, but only because Klein was in the backfield with him. Then, when Klein left, he was still a very solid running back that left us all wondering what we're going to do without him.
Except for extreme circumstances running back just isn't a very important position. I wouldn't let our RB unit keep you up at night.
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By attempts:
93 - JJ Smith, Schiller
94 - JJ Smith, Edwards
95 - Hickson, Lawrence
96 - Lawrence, Charles
97 - Hickson, Lawrence
98 - Hickson, Charles
99 - Hall, Murphy, Allen
00 - Scobey, Allen
01 - Scobey, Cartwright
02 - Sproles, Saba
03 - Sproles
04 - Sproles, Clayton
05 - Clayton, Fisher
06 - Patton, Johnson, Clayton
07 - Johnson, Patton
08 - Brown(lol), Dold, Valentine
09 - Thomas, Valentine
10 - Thomas, Powell, Hubert
11 - Hubert, Rose
12 - Hubert, Pease, Rose
13 - Hubert, Rose
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we've had so many good running backs. why don't we ever talk about it? :confused:
i guess it's because their numbers have rarely matched their talent.
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Weakest RB groups:
'08, '14, '11, '13. '08 was especially bad since the QB wasn't a constant run threat.
Thomas Clayton and James Johnson were better than Hubert, so save your terrible arguments.
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wow. i never would have guessed joe hall lead us in carries for an entire season.
i'm friends with him on facebook fwiw. he still lives in MHK i think.
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We have barely seen any of these guys play. We'll see when real games start next fall.
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Is the Keithen Valentine year you are referring to the same year that Logan Dold got a lot of starts and Lamark Brown played some RB, or was that a different year? Because that year was by far a 100% lock for worst year ever.
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Is the Keithen Valentine year you are referring to the same year that Logan Dold got a lot of starts and Lamark Brown played some RB, or was that a different year? Because that year was by far a 100% lock for worst year ever.
That's the one. Woof.
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Is the Keithen Valentine year you are referring to the same year that Logan Dold got a lot of starts and Lamark Brown played some RB, or was that a different year? Because that year was by far a 100% lock for worst year ever.
Was this before or after or both when he was a WR? :sdeek:
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By attempts:
93 - JJ Smith, Schiller
94 - JJ Smith, Edwards
95 - Hickson, Lawrence
96 - Lawrence, Charles
97 - Hickson, Lawrence
98 - Hickson, Charles
99 - Hall, Murphy, Allen
00 - Scobey, Allen
01 - Scobey, Cartwright
02 - Sproles, Saba
03 - Sproles
04 - Sproles, Clayton
05 - Clayton, Fisher
06 - Patton, Johnson, Clayton
07 - Johnson, Patton
08 - Brown(lol), Dold, Valentine
09 - Thomas, Valentine
10 - Thomas, Powell, Hubert
11 - Hubert, Rose
12 - Hubert, Pease, Rose
13 - Hubert, Rose
Of the guys that never lead the the team in carries, who would you want for one more year?
For me it is Powell loved that guy.
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Weakest RB groups:
'08, '14, '11, '13. '08 was especially bad since the QB wasn't a constant run threat.
Thomas Clayton and James Johnson were better than Hubert, so save your terrible arguments.
I just can't agree with this. The second part anyways. I thought Clayton was a waste of talent. He had the physique, but I never thought he played up to his hype, at least when it comes to production, hubert was better. I liked james johnson a lot tho.
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Weakest RB groups:
'08, '14, '11, '13. '08 was especially bad since the QB wasn't a constant run threat.
Thomas Clayton and James Johnson were better than Hubert, so save your terrible arguments.
I guess you're going by something other than production? Like recruiting rankings?
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By attempts:
93 - JJ Smith, Schiller
94 - JJ Smith, Edwards
95 - Hickson, Lawrence
96 - Lawrence, Charles
97 - Hickson, Lawrence
98 - Hickson, Charles
99 - Hall, Murphy, Allen
00 - Scobey, Allen
01 - Scobey, Cartwright
02 - Sproles, Saba
03 - Sproles
04 - Sproles, Clayton
05 - Clayton, Fisher
06 - Patton, Johnson, Clayton
07 - Johnson, Patton
08 - Brown(lol), Dold, Valentine
09 - Thomas, Valentine
10 - Thomas, Powell, Hubert
11 - Hubert, Rose
12 - Hubert, Pease, Rose
13 - Hubert, Rose
Of the guys that never lead the the team in carries, who would you want for one more year?
For me it is Powell loved that guy.
David Allen wouldn't be a bad choice.
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Weakest RB groups:
'08, '14, '11, '13. '08 was especially bad since the QB wasn't a constant run threat.
Thomas Clayton and James Johnson were better than Hubert, so save your terrible arguments.
I guess you're going by something other than production? Like recruiting rankings?
nfl careers. clayton and johnson played on bad ksu teams.
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Weakest RB groups:
'08, '14, '11, '13. '08 was especially bad since the QB wasn't a constant run threat.
Thomas Clayton and James Johnson were better than Hubert, so save your terrible arguments.
I guess you're going by something other than production? Like recruiting rankings?
nfl careers. clayton and johnson played on bad ksu teams.
Johnson had a great offense.
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Weakest RB groups:
'08, '14, '11, '13. '08 was especially bad since the QB wasn't a constant run threat.
Thomas Clayton and James Johnson were better than Hubert, so save your terrible arguments.
I guess you're going by something other than production? Like recruiting rankings?
nfl careers. clayton and johnson played on bad ksu teams.
Johnson had a great offense.
ok, he was also a lot better than hubert in that great offense.
James Johnson 174 att 1106 yds 6.4 avg 12 tds 34 rec. 220 yds 6.5 avg. 0 rec. tds
John Hubert('12)189 947 5.0 15 18 98 5.4 1
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Welp...
Quotable: “I hope we answered the running back question today. It’s Kaiden Schroeder. He’s the starter.” – defensive end Ryan Mueller, who became friends with Schroeder after visiting him in the hospital.
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Welp...
Quotable: “I hope we answered the running back question today. It’s Kaiden Schroeder. He’s the starter.” – defensive end Ryan Mueller, who became friends with Schroeder after visiting him in the hospital.
Definitely. Nobody can stop a kid with cancer.
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ok, he was also a lot better than hubert in that great offense.
Yeah I'm not arguing about that. Johnson was a complete stud.
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little concerned with Schroeder's yards after contact but you cant argue with his elusiveness and speed.