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Title: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: cas4ksu on April 22, 2014, 12:13:55 PM
Most pundits are picking OU to win the conference this year, which is understandable coming off of their Sugar Bowl win.

But how good are they actually going to be?

I think Trevor Knight is overrated. Did he play great against Alabama, of course. But to expect similar performances over the course of an entire year is a bit of a stretch. Remember, if it isn't for Blake Bell, OU is not in the Sugar Bowl.

Others have pointed to their defense as being the reason they should be the top team in the conference:

Their average of 5.2 yards per play (given up) on the season is far from elite, as it ranks 4th in the Big 12 and 42nd nationally. And in their last three games their yards per play was one of the 20 worst in the nation.

Using metrics provided by FootballOutsiders, it shows they have a favorable ranking of their defense, as they rank them in the top 15. However, any metric that has Auburn's D in the top 10 is a little bit confusing.  http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/feidef2013

In talking with Dlew12 awhile back, he brought up the point that we generally play OU tougher in Norman than we do here. '09 and '01 come to mind as games we entered with a far either worse or inexperienced team.

Hopefully this year we can do 2012 all over again.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Panjandrum on April 22, 2014, 12:26:40 PM
I think we need to wait for the usual summer dismissals from the OU squad before we can accurately predict what will happen.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Trogdor on April 22, 2014, 01:17:37 PM
Already lost a 4 star commit. Sucks to suck
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: steve dave on April 22, 2014, 01:31:17 PM
they will be pretty good but not great.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 22, 2014, 02:14:43 PM
I think Knight is the most overrated Heisman hopeful since that WVU QB from a few years ago.

http://www.crimsonandcreammachine.com/2014/4/22/5640052/oklahoma-sooners-football-trevor-knight-a-heisman-hopeful
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 22, 2014, 02:19:05 PM
regardless of how good they are, we're going to at least play them close and maybe kick their dicks off because they play the RRS the week before while we have a bye. take that analysis and your farm to the nearest sportsbook. 
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 22, 2014, 02:42:03 PM
They'll be human.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: DQ12 on April 22, 2014, 03:49:42 PM
In talking with Dlew12 awhile back, he brought up the point that we generally play OU tougher in Norman than we do here. '
Actually HoochCat was the person that first pointed that out to me at your apartment.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 22, 2014, 03:56:32 PM
Ever since that one dude tried to kill us with a bomb in their stadium, we've played very well. :ksu:
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 22, 2014, 03:57:27 PM
In talking with Dlew12 awhile back, he brought up the point that we generally play OU tougher in Norman than we do here. '
Actually HoochCat was the person that first pointed that out to me at your apartment.
it's a really good point. losing by 12 to an 8-5 OU team in 2009 tells me that we are going to crush them this year.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 22, 2014, 04:44:59 PM
GAMEDAY!?!?!?!  :excited: :excited: :excited:
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 22, 2014, 04:49:09 PM
GAMEDAY!?!?!?!  :excited: :excited: :excited:
:dubious:
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: pvegs on April 22, 2014, 07:15:16 PM
In talking with Dlew12 awhile back, he brought up the point that we generally play OU tougher in Norman than we do here. '
Actually HoochCat was the person that first pointed that out to me at your apartment.
it's a really good point. losing by 12 to an 8-5 OU team in 2009 tells me that we are going to crush them this year.

Point taken, though in '09 keeping it close really did feel like an accomplishment.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: bones129 on April 22, 2014, 07:30:47 PM
I think we need to wait for the usual summer dismissals from the OU squad before we can accurately predict what will happen.

Correct. No sense jumping the gun when we know circumstances will change.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: hemmy on April 22, 2014, 07:47:55 PM
'09 @ OU was the definition of a moral victory. Brandon Banks KO return! Daniel Thomas jump pass!
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: cas4ksu on April 22, 2014, 09:43:41 PM
In talking with Dlew12 awhile back, he brought up the point that we generally play OU tougher in Norman than we do here. '
Actually HoochCat was the person that first pointed that out to me at your apartment.


my mistake. all credit given to WafflesBro
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: MouseRat on April 23, 2014, 07:31:43 AM
OU has consistently layed an egg at least twice the last several seasons.  I'm hoping we catch them at just the right time this season.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Harmon4ksu on April 23, 2014, 08:11:11 AM
Waters will throw for 300+ plus. Lockett 3+ TDs. Cats by 14+. Not a doubt in my mind. :cool:
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: That_Guy on April 23, 2014, 08:30:13 AM
Waters will throw for 300+ plus. Lockett 3+ TDs. Cats by 14+. Not a doubt in my mind. :cool:

Harmon just coming in with the Zeal.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: NDSU Lollypopkid on April 23, 2014, 10:05:59 AM
They'll continue to suck as long as water is wet

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Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: ascentofstan on April 23, 2014, 10:50:45 AM
I think Trevor Knight is overrated. Did he play great against Alabama, of course. But to expect similar performances over the course of an entire year is a bit of a stretch. Remember, if it isn't for Blake Bell, OU is not in the Sugar Bowl.

This. Last year he was not very good and was hated by OU fans until they put Bell in. Trevor has one good game against Alabama, so now of course he'll play that way for every game of this season and OU will win everything.

...so I hear.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Harmon4ksu on April 23, 2014, 02:54:35 PM
Waters will throw for 300+ plus. Lockett 3+ TDs. Cats by 14+. Not a doubt in my mind. :cool:

Harmon just coming in with the Zeal.

 :ksu:
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 23, 2014, 03:53:25 PM
They'll continue to suck as long as waters is wet

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Take this porno talk about our quarterback to the Pit! Jake is a wholesome young man.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Functianalyst on April 25, 2014, 02:14:27 PM
So far the sports stations in Tulsa are not absolutely sold on OU.  Not that they cannot win the Big XII, but on any given Saturday, anyone in this league can be knocked off.  OU is beatable and frankly other QBs showed well in the spring scrimmage, so Knight may get the start, but it does not mean he keeps the job the whole season. 

They have a kid that everyone has been waiting to take the field for two years out of Jenks (Alex Ross).  This kid is a beast and their running back corps will be better than last year.  But the Sooner Nation sounds like they are more enthused by the overall defense led by Eric Striker.   

Granted, OU has a very favorable schedule this season.  The only AWAY game that might give them trouble may be in Morgantown.  Any team contending for the championship will have to go to Norman.   
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2014, 02:30:15 PM
Knight is the best QB OU has had since Sam Bradford. They are going to be hard to beat.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 25, 2014, 02:49:39 PM
OU football alumni in my office seems overly confident OU will beat the cats.  I'm worried now guys.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Functianalyst on April 25, 2014, 04:14:07 PM
Knight is the best QB OU has had since Sam Bradford. They are going to be hard to beat.
Yes they will be very hard to beat on paper, but they were not named one of the highest overrated programs for nothing.  I think in the end, Knight will be less a factor than the defense or their running game next year.
Title: Re: Let's talk Oklahoma...
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 25, 2014, 04:16:37 PM
Knight is the best QB OU has had since Sam Bradford. They are going to be hard to beat.
Yes they will be very hard to beat on paper, but they were not named one of the highest overrated programs for nothing.  I think in the end, Knight will be less a factor than the defense or their running game next year.

Knight is a pretty big part of their running game.