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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: GoPowercat.com on April 20, 2014, 07:53:40 PM
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OK, short version. Me and some buddies were headed to my office just before 2 a.m. and one of them points put that Rusty is standing in the gutter videotaping Tubby's at closing. I walk over to him to ask what he's doing and he starts shooting video of me. He then again blames me for a fake Twitter account of him which wasn't me, but he tells me "John Currie, LHC Bill Snyder and Sean Snyder" all said it was me. Uhm, OK.
We exchange unpleasant remarks and I head back to go into my office, so he follows me. As I'm shutting the door to lock it, he blocks it with his arm and tries to force his way in. He didn't get far because I removed him from my property.
He proceeds to run to the cops, which is rich considering he's in the paper every other day accusing them of harassment. Officers eventually come to my door because Rusty said I was having an "illegal after hours." I inform them that I don't have a liquor license so it doesn't matter and they say that's what they told him and leave. I think they were suppressing laughter.
Rusty takes to Twitter on the official Kite's account and shoots off some doozies about me being fat and that I was scared of him. Interesting since he's the one that got shoved out a door by his head. He erased them all but virtually all of Aggieville has screen shots of them.
Needless to say, Rusty and I don't get along (he doesn't with almost everyone in Aggieville) and last night was another example of completely bizarre behavior from him.
And this all made for a short but completely awesome after hours as the guys who witnessed the whole thing laughed their asses off.
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Rolling in the office?
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I noticed a bit about this on the twitter today as well... Where are all these screenshots of what Rusty posted?
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(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Blq77cNCIAAb2Ul.jpg)
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Weird thing for old dudes to be arguing and then take to twitter
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What does rusty look like
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What does rusty look like
Probably like a million dollars.
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Lol drinx burn
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that's pretty damn funny
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What does rusty look like
He was on an episode of pawn stars and they mushed him for trying to get way to much for his fat boy statue
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What does rusty look like
He was on an episode of pawn stars and they mushed him for trying to get way to much for his fat boy statue
That's all staged, bro
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What does rusty look like
He was on an episode of pawn stars and they mushed him for trying to get way to much for his fat boy statue
That's all staged, bro
No it's not :don'tcare:
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http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/_UxhwlnsmcY/hqdefault.jpg (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/_UxhwlnsmcY/hqdefault.jpg)
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http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/_UxhwlnsmcY/hqdefault.jpg (http://i1.ytimg.com/vi/_UxhwlnsmcY/hqdefault.jpg)
Pretty sure that's Gary Busey
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Weird thing for old dudes to be arguing and then take to twitter
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that was my take. fully grown children running around aggieville
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Post the article, KK!
http://themercury.com/articles/wilson-talks-about-recent-flap-with-rcpd
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Rusty Wilson wants to believe that… Well, that he has been believed.
That strange split sentence isn’t just some fun writing device. It’s pretty much thefulldescriptionofwhat’spuzzlingthe well-known — and occasionally controversial — owner of Kite’s Grille and Bar.
Here’s some background to a unique situation that leads straight to Monday’s meeting of the Riley County Law Board: Earlier this year, and particularly the weekend of Fake Patty’s Day, Wilson felt that he and Kite’s were being targeted unfairly by the Riley County Police Department — to the point where he thought it was out-and-out harassment.
“I just wanted a level playing field,” Wilson says. “Why are all the cops at my place looking for underage drinking, when it’s going on all over town?
“I had tried once in 2012 to meet withBrad (RCPD director Brad Gruntley), but he kind of just dismissed me. It was like they felt they could do whatever they wanted, and I was just being a pain.
“In particular, one young officer was making it his private war, trying to catch people in Kite’s. I have videotape of him moving drinks in front of younger girls, so he could cite them for being underage.”
Convinced he needed a more receptive audience (and one with authority over the police), Wilson took his case to the law board at its March 22 meeting.
Gruntley and the board heard Wilson’s complaints, responded to his charges, and that was that.
Unsure that anything would come of that first appearance, Wilson requested to be put on the agenda for the law board’s next regular meeting.
That one comes Monday night.
So is Rusty ready for battle?
“Honestly, no,” he says. “Since that last law board meeting, the officer I felt was targeting us hasn’t been in Kite’s. The officers who have been around have been respectful. They’re still checking to make sure things are OK — which they should do — but it’s like we’re working together to keep things right.
“One officer noticed that a back door, which we are required to keep open during business hours, was locked. Instead of rousting me or anyone else, he said, ’Hey, Rusty, did you know this door was locked?’ “I was surprised and upset, and I jumped all over my manager for screwing up. But it felt different. It was like there was a sense of cooperation with the police to make sure the rules are followed.”
Wilson is adamant that he’s no cheater, either — perhaps looking the other way so that younger kids can be served.
“It’s terrible business,” he says. ”It’s not worth it.
“You get caught, it’s costs all kinds of money to defend yourself, and the ABC (Alcoholic Beverage Control, a division of the Kansas Department of Revenue) will suspend or revoke your license.
“We do everything in our power to catch underage drinkers.
“Wait a minute…” Rusty disappears, and returns with a massive box. It must contain thousands of driver’s licenses, from Kansas and elsewhere.
“Every one of these is either fake, or belonged to someone other than the person who tried to use it,” Wilson says. “Each one has another card with it, showing that the person was cited by the police for MIP (minor in possession).”
So given all this, what is thestrategyforMonday’slaw board appearance?
Keep turning the screws?
Wilson is no stranger to legal battles — he’s run for the Kansas State Senate (2008) and lost, been sued for $3.6 million by Farmers State Bank over a business loan (dismissed), threatened to close his restaurant in Junction City over the location of a grease receptacle, and defended himself countless times with the ABC.
“I’m not afraid to fight for what I think is right or fair,” says the man who plays drums at a progressive Methodist church service every Sunday, and still runs the farm that fed his grandparents. “I’m never going to let myself get pushed around, like I’m doing something wrong if I’m not.”
So?
“Honestly, I think I might go to the law board and thank them for listening to me. I don’t want to fight unless it’s absolutely necessary, and the evidence since I went to the law board in March suggests that they heard me…that they believed me.
“You have no idea how much I want that to be true.”
In other words, Wilson says, this is another battle which he’ll fight if he must – but which would cost him dearly in the long run.
“Hey, I started working at Kite’s in the 1980s,” says the 50-year-old unofficial mayor of Aggieville. “I served the first hard liquor drink at Kite’s, and when the business was liquidated in 1995, I bought the right to the name at an auction for $5,000.
“Now this corner (12th and Moro, where Kite’s and Wilson’s other bar/restaurant, Rusty’s, are connected) does $4 million a year in business.
“I don’t want to screw this up. I work hard and people joke that I never sleep, but I’ve put my life into this. Into Aggieville. Into Manhattan. Into our relationship with K-State.
“And I’m not kidding myself. I need the police.
“That’s not an empty statement. Kite’s and Rusty’s have won awards, been named on most-popular lists — even nationally — and the only way that happens is if we do a good job, work hard and we play by rules.”
Over the course of an hour, Wilson says four or five times that he would be “out of business” without help from the police — and without a decent relationship with the cops, the city and the university.
“Look, nobody’s kidding anyone here. I’ll say this to the law board if they ask me: You just can’t keep every underage kid out of a bar.
“All you can do is work like crazy to prevent it. I spend $150,000 a year on security, which is a pretty good chunk of money. This is serious.
“You have to have great managers, and you have to be able to trust them. Hey, if I’ve got a manager on the door, and he lets in an underage girl who flirted with him becausehethinkshe’sgonna get lucky… “OK,that’shumannature. What were we thinking when we were that age?
But the bottom line is that I have to know that and stop it. That’s why I’m totally in the hands of the people I hire — and the police who watch the place, because sometimes they’ll find somebody we missed. It all has to work together.”
Wilson is quick to point out that, while it would be a tremendous relief to reach an understanding with the RCPD and the law board, he still has other battles to fight.
“Take a look at the state statute that covers underage drinking, or serving anyone you shouldn’t for any reason,” he says. “It reads that you can be cited, have your license suspended or revoked, if you serve that person ‘knowingly or unknowingly.’ “How is that reasonable? Punishing me for serving someone I had no idea on earth should not be served?
“I’ll never give up fighting togetthat‘unknowingly’part taken out of the law — but believe me, it’s hard. We should, as a group, have a lobbyist working full-time on that, but bar owners are notoriously hard to organize. And unfortunately, a lot of them are pretty tight with their money.
“So it’s frustrating. But yeah, I’ve got a lobbyist trying to help. I’ll stay at it.
“You have to bust your backside to make a good living in this business anyway, and there always will be people who want you to fail — for whatever reason. And the hours are brutal if you want to be good at this.
“But I love it, and I love keeping up the tradition that Kite Thomas started when he first opened this place in the 1950s.
“If we’ve gotten to where there’s a spirit of cooperation with the police, I’ll thank them over and over.
“Trust me on that.”
“...it felt different. It was like there was a sense of cooperation with the police to make sure the rules are followed.”
— Rusty Wilson
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Someone help me out with how much the average door guy in Aggieville gets paid. For as many bars and entrances as there are at Kites/Rustys, $150K on security over the course of a year seems awfully low...
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Someone help me out with how much the average door guy in Aggieville gets paid. For as many bars and entrances as there are at Kites/Rustys, $150K on security over the course of a year seems awfully low...
Like, the smallest amount you can imagine, plus some tips the bar gives you when they feel bad.
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But in fairness, your job could be done by approximately anyone
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But in fairness, your job could be done by approximately anyone
plus all of the girls that are throwing themselves at you to bone so you let them in
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the 50-year-old unofficial mayor of Aggieville.
Shots fired!
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I wonder if it's easier to spot underage drinkers if they are true freshman basketball players, cause I spotted some of them at kites this weekend. Maybe the door guy just wanted to bone them
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I wonder if it's easier to spot underage drinkers if they are true freshman basketball players, cause I spotted some of them at kites this weekend. Maybe the door guy just wanted to bone them
sorry seven (irl friend) but it has to be done...
:powerespect:
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It's not like I care they were there, btk.
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the 50-year-old unofficial mayor of Aggieville.
Shots fired!
I actually prefer to be referred to as "The (unofficial) Pride of Wildcat Land".
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I've always been curious about how bar owners handle that. I wonder if there is a "celebrity status" that plays into if underage kids are let in. Was it Diaz that got an MIC at Tubbys a few years ago?
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Can we bullet point wtf is going on in here? I really don't want to go back and read through this mess. TIA.
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Can we bullet point wtf is going on in here? I really don't want to go back and read through this mess. TIA.
part of the fun is figuring out exactly what happened.
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All I know is, there is only so much room for creepy middle aged men on Moro St. You gotta flex those muscles to stay a step ahead. Lots of rivalries out there.
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Someone help me out with how much the average door guy in Aggieville gets paid. For as many bars and entrances as there are at Kites/Rustys, $150K on security over the course of a year seems awfully low...
Well there's no doorguys during the daytime nor from sunday-wednesday night.
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after hours with tim fitzgerald! :Woot:
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I've always been curious about how bar owners handle that. I wonder if there is a "celebrity status" that plays into if underage kids are let in. Was it Diaz that got an MIC at Tubbys a few years ago?
Rusty tells his door staff to let recognizable players in no matter their age or if the bar is at capacity.
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I've always been curious about how bar owners handle that. I wonder if there is a "celebrity status" that plays into if underage kids are let in. Was it Diaz that got an MIC at Tubbys a few years ago?
Rusty tells his door staff to let recognizable players in no matter their age or if the bar is at capacity.
How the hell would you know?
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Fall of 2006.
Ben Ji is flipping burgers at Tubbys on a random weekday afternoon when 7'2" 5 Star Freshman Jason Bennett walks in by himself.
Mr Bennett sits down at the bar, glances around, then orders a beer. The Bartender easily recognizes him and asks for an ID. Mr. Bennett says he forgot it and walks out looking ashamed.
#BreakingStories #ScoopsFrom7YearsAgo #Aggieville
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Someone help me out with how much the average door guy in Aggieville gets paid. For as many bars and entrances as there are at Kites/Rustys, $150K on security over the course of a year seems awfully low...
Well there's no doorguys during the daytime nor from sunday-wednesday night.
True, but after 10 on Friday and Saturday there are probably about 15 bouncers working. Seems like that would add up unless they don't male very much. I have very LDGIQ in regards to pay.
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You get paid in underage poon apparently
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You get paid in underage poon apparently
Seems very disrespectful to women. Just another reason for me to never go there.
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I've always been curious about how bar owners handle that. I wonder if there is a "celebrity status" that plays into if underage kids are let in. Was it Diaz that got an MIC at Tubbys a few years ago?
Rusty tells his door staff to let recognizable players in no matter their age or if the bar is at capacity.
How the hell would you know?
I think I know how he would know.
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Rock the eff outta those drums, rusty!
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NCAA rules prohibit this company and its principals, which would be me and Becky, from donating the athletics department and cover it's recruiting efforts.
As for Rusty, I have specifically not brought up our personal issues here for many years. Saturday night, he went too far and I simply responded to a request for information. I provided the facts as witnessed by numerous people.
I think I know one person who works at Kite's and as far as I know I never have interaction with members of his staff. Based on the stuff Rusty has flat out made up about me, you shouldn't believe what you hear.
The best was telling people that I had threatened his life and the lives of his family. Problem was I had not interacted with the man in months since he threw a fit over me not making Whiskey Dick's change its name, which I have no idea how I was supposed to do so. He told me I had no character because I didn't force a business owner to change his bar's name. I'm still baffled what he thought I could do about it.
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Rusty sounds douchy.
Also, there is a place called whisky Dick's?
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Rusty sounds douchy.
Also, there is a place called whisky Dick's?
He looks douchy too. Giant watch. Starter t-shirt moobs.
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I wonder if it's easier to spot underage drinkers if they are true freshman basketball players, cause I spotted some of them at kites this weekend. Maybe the door guy just wanted to bone them
Depending on the true freshman basketball player, maybe the door guy looked into the tfbp's eyes and decided to protect his neck and just let the tfbp pass.
Is the tfbp gonna gave to choke a door guy?
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Post the article, waks!
http://themercury.com/articles/Gruntley-denies-wilsons-claim-that-rcpd-changed-tack
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Riley County Police Director Brad Gruntley isn’t buying Rusty Wilson’s story that something has changed concerning how much attention police place on enforcing alcohol laws at Wilson’s bars.
At the last month’s Riley County Law Board meeting (March 22), Wilson — owner of Kite’s Grille and Bar and Rusty’s in Aggieville — publicly voiced his belief that his bars have been unfairly scrutinized by the RCPD.
On Monday, Gruntley told the law board — at its first meeting since the accusations in March — that Wilson has been suggesting, including in an article published Sunday in The Mercury, that police pressure on his bars had been altered.
“We haven’t changed anything,” he said. “We haven’t done any different. The rules are still in place, being enforced the way they were.
“And to the extent that (article) created an impression that any individual board member had pressured me to change things — that has not happened. I haven’t had a conversation like that with any board member.”
Gruntley said he and Wilson met recently for a fairly lengthy discussion about several issues related to Wilson’s claims of intimidation and improprieties by the RCPD.
“I’m not going to paint the picture that it was all roses and puppy dog tails,” Gruntley said. “We disagreed on some things. However, we did have some discussions.”
WILSON, ON the other hand, told the law board he’s noticed a change for the better. Specifically, he mentioned the way his establishments have been monitored by police since he first took his complaints to the board.
“Since March 22, it’s been night and day,” Wilson said. “The one individual officer (Ryan Doehling, whom Wilson named in his original discussion with the board) was spending an hour and 11 minutes in my place a week.
“Since March 22 to last Saturday, the total time we’ve seen a present police officer was an hour for a whole month.”
Gruntley spent a chunk of Monday’s meeting countering Wilson’s complaints, including the one lodged against the department last month.
One of those issues brought an apology from Wilson.
AT THE March meeting, Wilson reported to a couple law board members that while in the Westloop district, he witnessed a person he believed to be RCPD Sgt. Brad Ingalls — while off duty — taking pictures of his vehicle’s license tag, which he said was harassment.
Gruntley said the department conducted an internal affairs investigation, interviewing Ingalls and Ingalls’ wife — as well as seizing both Ingalls’ private and business cell phones.
“When Sgt. Ingalls heard this accusation, he immediately requested a full investigation and asked that, at the conclusion of the investigation, that the results be aired publicly, as were the accusations,” he said Ingalls, who was present Monday, denied being in Westloop at all on the day in question, Gruntley said.
Ingalls said he was in Wamego, where he lives, all day with his family.
Gruntley said Ingalls’ wife, who typically wouldn’t have been interviewed per department policy but agreed because of the nature of the accusations, backed up her husband.
WITH THE interviews completed, the investigation moved to the phones, which Gruntley said showed no sign of any photos — erased or not — having ever been taken.
“Given the totality of the information, I decided that this particular complaint was unfounded,” he said. “That’s a term that has a particular and specific meaning in the Police Department. It does not mean that we were unable to prove the claim. It meansthatitdidn’thappen.”
Gruntley said Wilson told the department’s investigator he could have been mistaken on who he saw take the picture.
“If he does believe that there is some other PD employee, I have an organizational chart on the back door of my office,” Gruntley said. “It has a photograph of everybody in the police department. He’s more than welcome to come down and look at that any time. We can do this again to try to figure out if, in fact, it did occur and, ifso,whoitmighthavebeen.”
WILSON STUCK to his story Monday, but did apologize to Ingalls and his wife for what he said was a case of mistaken identity.
“Like I said, I will be the first to look at you and apologize to you and your family,” he said while looking at Ingalls,” Wilson said. “I madeamistakeinwhoIsaw.”
Wilson chalked up the mistake to paranoia induced by feeling he’s always looking over his shoulder.
Gruntley also challenged Wilson to provide a video he claims shows Ryan Doehling allegedly framing underage girls by placing drinks in front of them.
“It’s kind of like a yeti,” Gruntley said. “Everybody’s heard about it, but nobody’s seen it. And so, I would like to see that video now.”
Gruntley said he doesn’t “know what to think, quite honestly,” about Wilson’s complaints, alleging that they often lack enough information to uncover the facts.
WILSON AGAIN saidhe’d provide the video and other statements to board members in private, but not to board member and County Attorney Barry Wilkerson.
“I will give them to someone here,” he said. “I can’t give them to Mr. Wilkerson because has a personal relationship with him (Gruntley). I’d gladly give it to you guys (the other board members).”
Gruntley and Wilkerson then appeared to exchange smirks, which sparked Wilson’s anger.
He accused Gruntley of laughing at him, but RCPD Assistant Director John Doeling (Ryan Doehling’s father) said, no, he was the one laughing at Wilson.
“You’re laughing at me? Did you hear that?” Wilson asked the board.
“He just said he was laughing at me.
“This isn’t real. This is being treated like a joke.”
Wilson said, as a business owner, he simply wants some help, not pressure, from the department in preventing kids with fake IDs from entering or staying in his bar.
Recognizing the fake IDs is the first challenge bar owners face, Wilson said.
“We don’t have any formal training,”hesaid.“That’snot available.
“Part of it is we don’t know how to correct the problem,” Wilson said. “If this person did just sneak in, I need to know how.”
BUT OTHER Aggieville bar owners face the same challenges as Wilson and don’t seem to have the same gripes over officers’ enforcement of laws, claim the police.
Brett Allred, owner of several establishments including Johnny Kaw’s, said he was asked to come to the meeting and share his experience. Allred said he strives to build trust with police.
“We’re working with Riley County police to prove that we are self-policing,” he said.
Wilson said he feels his bars are targeted more than others, though. The other bar owners aren’t dealing with that type of pressure, Wilson said.
HE HAS previously argued that comparisons are unfair because of his profile (especially at Kite’s) and that his businesses have a much larger volume of customers than most other establishments.
“That’s why I feel targeted and maybe others don’t,” Wilson said.
But Gruntley presented information he had gathered about violations dating back to 2010 at Kite’s and Rusty’s, even though Wilson contested he didn’t own Rusty’s in 2010 — when it was still called Last Chance.
“When you look at how Kite’s stacks up — Kite’s and Chance — stack up against the rest of the establishments down there (Aggieville), they have more citizen-generated calls for service than anybody, they have more ‘Part One crime’ than anybody, they have more violent crime than anybody,” he said. “They are third in the number of citations issued within the establishment. They do not lead the pack. They are tied for last in regards to self-policing of MIPs (minor in possession of alcohol)…and they are first in reports referred to ABC.”
Wilson said he wanted to see new statistics that reflected when he took over Last Chance in August 2012 and renamed it Rusty’s.
The board’s is expected to address the topic at next month’s meeting.
As much as I hate to say it, but Brad Gruntley is bitb. Rick could learn a thing or two from him.
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rusty wilson seems like the pike of aggieville bar owners
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He must've been the ring leader for the drug scandal on 24
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It's weird when people get mad about being laughed at. Like just don't do stuff that causes people to laugh at you.
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rusty wilson seems like the pike of aggieville bar owners
Pike the poster or pike the creepy fraternity?
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There's a whole lot of WTF in those two articles, especially the second one.
:lol: <-- me laughing at Rusty
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rusty wilson seems like the pike of aggieville bar owners
Pike the poster or pike the creepy fraternity?
the poster who believes all conspiracy theories
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There's a whole lot of WTF in those two articles, especially the second one.
:lol: <-- me laughing at Rusty
You’re laughing at him? Did you all see that? This isn’t real. This is being treated like a joke.
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There's a whole lot of WTF in those two articles, especially the second one.
:lol: <-- me laughing at Rusty
You’re laughing at him? Did you all see that? This isn’t real. This is being treated like a joke.
Yeah, don't be Brett Allred bro
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As much as I hate to say it, but Brad Gruntley is bitb.
:peek:
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lol
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Rusty sounds douchy.
Also, there is a place called whisky Dick's?
Yes to both. The 1863 bought the Planet Sub location next to them and made it their new bar, Whiskey Dick's. An embarassingly terrible bar name, I say.
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^^ Solid first post. :emawkid:
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welcome to our bbs, the blue leopard.
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There's a whole lot of WTF in those two articles, especially the second one.
:lol: <-- me laughing at Rusty
You’re laughing at him? Did you all see that? This isn’t real. This is being treated like a joke.
That was solid gold.
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Post these articles, waks.
http://themercury.com/articles/wilson-rcpd-call-truce
http://themercury.com/articles/one-on-one-Gruntley-talks-about-rcpd-trust
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This one too. Feel free to put it in an appropriate thread.
http://themercury.com/articles/beer-at-bramlage-students-propose-solutions-to-problems-they-see-at-ksu
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Brad Gruntley can be funny, and he can laugh loud enough to make people stop talking across a large, noisy room.
But when Gruntley has his chief ’s hat on — when he’s officially speaking as director of the Riley County Police Department —he checks his humor at the door.
For this interview, Gruntley sat in a local restaurant with his back to a window, allowing sunshine to beam across the table and leave him in deep shadow.
Dressed entirely in shades of black or gray, he kept his sunglasses on, hat pulled low on his forehead.
MERCURY: “How is this merry-goround with Rusty Wilson ever going to end? This is the head of the police department and the owner of perhaps Manhattan’s most famous business. Doesn’t it need a resolution for everyone’s sake?”
Gruntley: “I can’t discuss any specific individuals, I really can’t. I can talk about department policy and how we handle certain types of cases. You can draw some conclusions from that, I think.”
MERCURY: “You don’t have an opinion on everything that’s happened with Rusty, then?”
Gruntley: “Of course I have opinions. We’re all human and we all have opinions. And my opinion might surprise you about some people…who you’d expect would bother me, but whom I actually kind of like.
“In our position, though, we absolutely cannot let our opinions shape our actions in any way at all. That would be compromising our integrity, and that integrity is why the public gives us their trust.
“If a member of law enforcement takes action based on an opinion he or she might have before the fact, that person is very likely going to be handing in a badge.
“No matter our opinion, every situation starts at a zero point. That is our obligation.”
Gruntley has been in the news a lot recently — which is not something he seeks nor particularly appreciates.
Oh, if he’s discussing RCPD budget issues with the Riley County Law Board, as department director he understands that he’s part of a public process. And that citizens and media are entitled to listen, or even participate.
But in the past couple of months, Gruntley has seen his name in newspaper headlines and heard himself quoted on the radio in completely different contexts.
Starting with this… A group of Riley County residents, including Rusty Wilson, hired a lobbyist to get a bill introduced in the Kansas State Senate that, if passed, would make the RCPD director an elected official rather than a law board appointee — as it stands now.
The bill had almost no chance to pass, but it was a shot across Gruntley’s bow, which he understands — but to which he shows no particular reaction.
“Some things you can control, and some things you can’t,” he says. “That one is totally out of my hands.”
Wilson, the high-profile owner of Kite’s Grille and Bar and longtime Aggieville entrepreneur, turned up the heat even further, basically accusing Gruntley of leading a department that has been out to target him personally.
At the same law board meeting at which Wilson leveled some of his charges, a woman came forward and accused Gruntley’s department of insensitivity bordering on misconduct during an incident five years ago — an event at which her son shot himself to death.
So, yes, Gruntley lately has been dragged into the limelight far more than he would prefer in his role running the department.
“Do I want to be sitting there defending the actions of my officers or myself?” Gruntley asks, rhetorically. “Well, there are other things I’d rather be doing, honestly.
“But here’s what I really want people to understand: If a citizen has a complaint about something we did – or didn’t do – then that person absolutely should be heard.
“We welcome it, we truly do, because law enforcement never should have anything to hide.
“So if a complaint is made — for harassment or inappropriate action or whatever – then we have an obligation to investigate that complaint. It’s not optional.”
Gruntley explains that he and the department answer – depending on the circumstances -- to the law board, to their own internal affairs officer, to the county attorney in extreme circumstances, and most important, to the people of Riley County.
“That’s why, if someone says, why don’t you just sit down with somebody who has some issues and work them out, that simply isn’t likely to be feasible with a conversation,” he says.
Gruntley does not mention Wilson’s name, but the obvious public accusations and the fact that the two men have, indeed, discussed potential problems doesn’t leave much to the imagination.
“Look, if someone owns a bar and complains that one of my officers has improperly targeted him in a way that seems he’s being framed — my words there, not anyone else’s — then we have an obligation to investigate that complaint,” Gruntley explains.
“It’s for the benefit of the person making the complaint and for the public, but also for the officer involved -- most definitely for the officer.
“Anything less than that looks like a whitewash, like we’re covering up something.
“Or if I just take it into my hands and work out something with the person who was complaining, where does that leave my officer? With a dark cloud still hanging there, that’s where.
“Have we had some personnel do the wrong thing? Yes, we have. I have four badges on my desk cut in half because someone did not follow our code and therefore the law. It hurts me every time I look at those badges, because they represent a failure to all of us in the department.
“That’s why we have to look into every complaint, every charge that someone makes about any officer. We have to be absolutely clean, and be able to prove it to any reasonable person.”
In a lot of ways, the RCPD is Gruntley’s entire professional life. He’s been with the department for his entire 31 years in law enforcement, and director since 2007.
He worries every day about one thing in particular.
“It takes years to build trust,” he says, voice deadly calm, “and it can be lost in a day. In minutes.
“And you can’t get it back.”
When the subject is not simply trust or integrity, Gruntley is open-minded and insightful about how the police process works, and for that matter, how society works.
“We can sit here and discuss all kinds of situations, and you can ask what I’d do in this case or that case…what’s right and what’s wrong, and so on,” he says.
“But for every situation, I’d need to know the motivation. Any police officer would say the same thing.
“There has to be some color provided – because life is rarely black and white, and neither is law enforcement. So much of it is shades of gray.
“How we handle that gray, day in and day out, will basically tell you how we’re doing our jobs.”
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usty Wilson and Riley County Police Department administrators appear prepared to put their disputes over alcohol violation enforcement procedures at Wilson’s bars behind them.
Wilson, owner of Aggieville establishments Kite’s Grille and Bar and Rusty’s Mexican Grill, spoke to the Riley County Law Enforcement Agency Board during a special meeting Thursday.
Unlike last week’s regular monthly board meeting, all parties seemed to want to find solutions, rather than continue quarreling over whether RCPD officers unfairlytargetWilson’sbusinesses for alcohol violations.
In the last few months, Wilson has aired his grievances over the RCPD’s procedures for investigating and citing alcohol violations at his bars. He’s alleged the department’s officers had been unfairly targeting his bars. However, on Thursday, Wilson said he’d like to focus on “getting better at what I do so we can have a working relationship with the police.”
“If we can move forward from today, move on from today, that’s all I care to do,” Wilson said to the board. “That’s all I wanted to do.”
Members of the board said they shared Wilson’s desire to head in a positive direction.
Manhattan Mayor and board member Wynn Butler suggested more needs to be done to increase understanding of alcohol laws.
“Be sure that everyone on the (RCPD) force understands what they are,' he said. 'You’ve got them written out and that they are equally enforced across the board.' He added that bar owners and their staffs should be trained and knowledgeable of their responsibilities, too.
The board unanimously approved a three-part motion made by Butler that included his suggested improvements moving forward: First, the RCPD will more than once a year provide a report that shows alcohol violation enforcement statistics.
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Second, RCPD Director Brad Gruntley will review and make sure department policies on officers using their discretion in alcohol violation investigations are understood.
Third, the law board will work more closely with the Citizens Advisory Board by meeting quarterly to discuss a regular meeting for concerns to be shared about all topics.
Though a resolution was reached, verbal shots were still fired Thursday night.
In fact, the meeting began with a video Wilson took in 2012. Wilson has mentioned the video on several occasions since then, including in an interview published in The Mercury on April 20.
The clip shows Doehling speaking to a woman not of legal drinking age while at a packed bar inside Kite’s. Doehling reaches for a Bud Light pounder that was on the bar. He then points the woman to the door.
Doehling and the woman head to an alley outside. Wilson follows closely, filming with his cellphone.
Once outside, Doehling asks Wilson to keep his distance, so he can ask the woman about the beer. Bar owners aren’t allowed to be present while an officer is questioning someone who may have committed an alcohol violation.
Wilson protests, so Doehling and the woman walk to the RCPD’s Aggieville substation.
“I saw what you did in there,” Wilson says as he continues to follow. “That wasn’t her beer. It’s on video.”
Doehling and the woman keep walking.
Once at the station, Doehling opens the door, the woman walks inside and Doehling follows.
Wilson attempts to get inside.
“You have no right to be in here,” Doehling says to Wilson, who’s still outside.
“Yes, I do,” Wilson says.
Doehling proceeds to explain that Wilson cannot be present during the investigation. Wilson argues with Doehling for about 40 seconds before begrudgingly giving in. The video cuts out.
The woman was not cited — even though she admitted to drinking — because Doehling later discovered the beer he grabbed wasn’t hers.
On Thursday, Wilson explained to the board his side of the story about the video. He said Doehling “reaches way up and grabs a can of beer, and takes the girl with him.”
“Yeah,I’mirateaboutthis because I know the consequences of what happens when we get a minor in possession violation,” Wilson said. “I questioned him about it, and I want to be present because I don’t know what’s being said.”
Wilson said he takes the possible violations seriously because it could cost him his liquor license when “a 20-year-old took a sip of a beer” or “because an officer grabbed random evidence.”
Gruntley’stakeonthevideo was different. He pointed outthatWilson’s description of the video in his quote in The Mercury didn’t accurately describe what appears to have happened.
“This particular video does not show what he’s purported it to show,” Gruntley said. “That is, that in essence, that Officer Doehling is — my word, not his — ‘framing’ this poor woman.”
Gruntley suggested Doehling should be commended for not citing the woman.
“The officer heard what she had to say, decided it was possible he had made an error, so he let her go,” Gruntley said.
Doehling also spoke to the board at the meeting.
What the video doesn’t show, Doehling said, is that he had established probable cause to approach the woman.
“In this particular incident, the female did possess a Bud Light pounder — an aluminum can — which I saw her possessing,” Doehling said.
He then explained that the woman later told him she had slid the beer to her boyfriend, who was sitting at the bar. Doehling then decided to collect what he thought was her can and head outside to keep the matter private.
“So I did grab the closest beer that was to her, which was within arm’s reach,” he said. “As you can clearly see (in the video), I didn’t have to lean over the table or do anything dramatic like that.”
The video is evidence, Doehling said, that if he did want to target Wilson or shut down his establishments, then he could have arrested Wilson for obstruction or criminal trespass for trying to enter the Aggieville substation.
“I am simply doing a job to the best of my ability, which is what you, the law board, expect from me, (and what) my superiors and the citizens of Riley County expect me to do,” he said.
The video wasn’t the only dispute that resurfaced.
Wilson took issue with statistics shared last week and last night that showed how his bars stack up among other Aggieville establishments.
The RCPD’s numbers show Wilson’s bars receive the most citizen-generated calls for service, the most reports of theft and other part one crimes, the most reports of violent crimes, the second-most alcohol violations within establishments and are tied for last with Eighteen63 for fewest selfpolicing incidents of minor in possession.
Similar statistics were shared last week, but Wilson requested they be reviewed because the numbers were from March 2010 to March 2014. He didn’t own Rusty’s in 2010, when it was known as Last Chance.
Thursday night’s stats dated back to March 2012.
But Wilson believes there’s more to the story.
“I’mrunningmorepeople through the doors quicker,” he said. “I’m doubling what other (bars) are doing, so I’m going to have more problems.”
Board chair and City Commissioner John Matta said Wilson’s point spoke to both sides’ views.
“I think part of the point, too, is to just to show the statistics of where the calls were, which can also be testified to by the amount of business coming in and out of the establishment,” he said. “That’s why there are more police that are actually going (to Wilson’s bars).”
During the board’s closing comments, board member and City Commissioner, Rich Jankovich, said the two sides may need to focus on working together to address alcohol violation problems.
“If I’m hearing (correctly) from the Kite’s and Rusty’s establishments,there’scommunication going on between law enforcement and your staff to try and work together better maybe reestablishing some trust that you believe isn’t there,”
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Beer at Bramlage: Students propose solutions to problems they see at KSU
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Six K-State students seeking policy changes spoke to their peers Thursday in the Leadership Studies Building to gain support for their proposed solutions.
Travis Smith, communications studies instructor, said this class project started in the 1980s with Phil Anderson, a former KSU speech communications professor.
Smith said he had the opportunity to do this project himself 14 years ago.
“You don’t just learn about campus,” he said. “You learn about how bureaucracy works.”
Smith said a new concept he focused on this year is “interviewing the wolf,” which is talking with the person who governs the issue.
“If you want to make a change, you have to talk to the person over that entity,” he said.
Smith said the students had a choice of starting a petition or writing a letter to the editor in the K-State Collegian for their assignment.
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Jedd Russell said the football game experience is affected by drunken fans who sneak in alcohol.
Russell said changing K-State’s policy to allow for beer sales at LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium and Bramlage Coliseum and eliminating the ability to leave at halftime would cut down on the drinking issues.
Russell used statistics from West Virginia University's move in 2011 to sell beer at its football stadium as an example of the potential positive effects.
He told the audience that
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police activity decreased by 64.5 percent while a boost in food sales occurred along with the additional beer revenue of $520,000 that first season.
He estimated K-State could gain $433,500 in additional revenue from beer at LHC Bill Snyder Family Stadium by taking the West Virginia’s revenue per fan average on the stadium’s 50,000 capacity.
First-aid kits
Alex Robinson said KState should be prepared with first-aid kits in every room in case a shooting happened.
He said somebody could bleed to death within three minutes, requiring quick action.
Robinson said there aren’t many kits on campus.
“When there is a firstaid kit in a room or in a building, it’s somewhere that is inaccessible for students,” he said.
The kits would include clotting chowder, pressure bandage and tourniquet.
He estimated K-State would need 2,500 kits at a cost of $112,500 as well as a online course for students at a cost of $100,000.
Robinson said he was told by KSU Police Chief Ronnie Grice that a lack of money and no violent attacks at K-State are the main reasons for not having first-aid kits.
Robinson said a $10 public health and safety fee for the university’s 24,000 students would provide enough money for the kits with $27,500 leftover.
Long-term counseling
Johanna Kelly said she struggled with depression for most of her freshman year at the University of Missouri-Kansas City, but counseling services helped her.
Kelly transferred to KState and hoped to go to the university’s counseling services to help her.
“To my surprise, I was turned away and told that they did not have the resources to help someone with my needs,” she said.
Kelly said she was sent to Pawnee Mental Health, but stopped after three sessions because she couldn't afford the $120-per-session price tag since to insurance didn't cover the costs.
She said there is a need for long-term mental health services for students 'suffering from a lifetime of mental illness.”
Kelly advocated for encouraging state lawmakers to not cut higher education funding and raising awareness about mental health issues.
24-hour dining
Parker Wilhelm said K-State has numerous dining options for students based on religious practices, allergies and lifestyles.
Something K-State doesn’t have, he said, is the option for a busy student to enter the dining hall at 2 p.m. for a meal.
Wilhelm said Mary Molt, associate director of KSU housing and dining, told him that the dining schedule is this way because it’s an old holdover.
He said this doesn’t work for the modern student, and advocated for keeping the doors open from breakfast through dinner.
“I’m not concerned with what you eat when you’re busy,” he said. “I’m concerned that you can eat.”
Campus smoke ban
Devon Cooke said banning smoking on campus would stop a health hazard for students who don’t smoke.
He cited an annual Centers for Disease Control and Prevention report that said 42,000 people died from secondhand smoking last year.
“There are no risk-free level of exposures to second- hand smoke,” he said, citing a surgeon general’s report. Cooke said the current policy of not smoking within 30 feet of a building is hard to enforce because of the ambiguous nature of who enforces the policy.
He said a campus ban would come with a minimum fine of $250 for smoking on campus, which would be an effective deterrent for smokers.
Fixing KSU/MCC dual degree
Joe Simon is taking communications studies at KSU and biblical studies and leadership at Manhattan Christian College as a part of the dual degree program.
Simon said his first advising session at KState ended with confusion for everybody involved.
“I had introduced the idea of the dual degree concept to my adviser,” he said. “I don’t think this should happen.”
Simon said K-State is also missing an online presence for this option on the university website.
He said MCC and KState should “stop acting like a junior-high relationship” and communicate better.
Simon suggested hiring an adviser who specifically handles dual degree students.
He said a new K-State education college adviser is taking on 250 students, while there are only an average of 100 to 125 dual degree students each year.
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Wilson, owner of Aggieville establishments Kite’s Grille and Bar and Rusty’s Mexican Grill
wait, wut
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you're missing out sd
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Wilson, owner of Aggieville establishments Kite’s Grille and Bar and Rusty’s Mexican Grill
wait, wut
this happened like weeks ago
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Wilson, owner of Aggieville establishments Kite’s Grille and Bar and Rusty’s Mexican Grill
wait, wut
this happened like weeks ago
weird
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nah, I'm good thanks
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it doesn't look that bad
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T-Y, waks. Had higher expectations from that beer & fOOD headline.
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Wilson, owner of Aggieville establishments Kite’s Grille and Bar and Rusty’s Mexican Grill
wait, wut
wow. great catch, sd. dont know what wed do without you.
its not like we have like 40 townies and an entire thread about new restaurants/cultural changes in manhattan... :frown:
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wow. great catch, sd. dont know what wed do without you.
its not like we have like 40 townies and an entire thread about new restaurants/cultural changes in manhattan... :frown:
:eek:
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nah, I'm good thanks
Looks like they might be able to run a distant second to Taco Cabana if it ever makes it's way north of OKC....
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
you like pizza ranch
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
Why hate on .50 tacos? Pretty tough to beat a $2 lunch...
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
YES! I LOVE AUTHENTIC MEXICAN! :Woohoo:
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
Why hate on .50 tacos? Pretty tough to beat a $2 lunch...
Porters tacos are rough ridin' disgusting. Tastes more like a 10 cent taco :Yuck:
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
Why hate on .50 tacos? Pretty tough to beat a $2 lunch...
Porters tacos are rough ridin' disgusting. Tastes more like a 10 cent taco :Yuck:
I was unaware at how refined your palate was. You may be the only person I know that would bitch about a .50 taco. :Ugh:
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
you like pizza ranch
I have been to pizza ranch once an found it serviceable. I personally think cicis is disgusting and PR is much better.
Being from Hutch and having visited Garden City multiple times I feel like I have a respectable authority on authentic mexican food. In this case Rusty's did it right and got a real menu together. It's also a niche that Aggieville hadn't filled yet.
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
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dont mind porters tacos one bit. $0.50 cents, man. you know what you signed up for. its baked ground beef, some out of a bag lettuce and cheese with a side of scooped out of giant bucket salsa.
its salty, and 50 cents. id eat that any day of the week.
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having said that, i wouldnt eat mexican food from rustys. like, walk across the street and eat at taco lucha. aggieville should have super cheap food or really good food. not something in between like that probably is (judging by picture and also cuz its rustys)
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
AUTHENTIC Mexican food in Kansas? than yes. You obviously haven't partaken in the local authentic fare. Which is a sad thing MM. . .a very sad thing.
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Baller on a budget.
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
AUTHENTIC Mexican food in Kansas? than yes. You obviously haven't partaken in the local authentic fare. Which is a sad thing MM. . .a very sad thing.
How do you know it's truly authentic?
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Everytime a Mexican place calls itself "authentic" I take that to mean that it is not, in fact, authentic. It's kind of like when you see a motel advertise color TV.
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I'm sure rusty's buys the same SYSCO MEXICAN RESTAURANT KIT that pretty much every other mexican restaurant has too.
(havent tried, but the food and menu look the same as any other standard issue mexican restaurant.)
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Everytime a Mexican place calls itself "authentic" I take that to mean that it is not, in fact, authentic. It's kind of like when you see a motel advertise color TV.
Every time I see an "authentic" Mexican restaurant I know exactly what I'm getting because they are all exactly the same. The only variables are usually the quality of margaritas and gaudiness of the decor.
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
you like pizza ranch
I have been to pizza ranch once an found it serviceable. I personally think cicis is disgusting and PR is much better.
Being from Hutch and having visited Garden City multiple times I feel like I have a respectable authority on authentic mexican food. In this case Rusty's did it right and got a real menu together. It's also a niche that Aggieville hadn't filled yet.
:curse: you're really testing my patience, guy
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End his throat, MIR.
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yard dog is a natural.
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
AUTHENTIC Mexican food in Kansas? than yes. You obviously haven't partaken in the local authentic fare. Which is a sad thing MM. . .a very sad thing.
How do you know it's truly authentic?
Mexican family who speaks Spanish better than English? :dunno:
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
AUTHENTIC Mexican food in Kansas? than yes. You obviously haven't partaken in the local authentic fare. Which is a sad thing MM. . .a very sad thing.
How do you know it's truly authentic?
Mexican family who speaks Spanish better than English? :dunno:
yard dog, save yourself from ignorance and give La Hacienda, manhattan's authentico taqueria, a spin
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
AUTHENTIC Mexican food in Kansas? than yes. You obviously haven't partaken in the local authentic fare. Which is a sad thing MM. . .a very sad thing.
How do you know it's truly authentic?
Mexican family who speaks Spanish better than English? :dunno:
ydarg have you tried La Hacienda (https://www.facebook.com/pages/La-Hacienda-Grocery-Store-And-Taqueria/183880225030966) yet? I mean, zomg, so authentic. And they serve beer now!
Also, KCK probably has the most authentic Mexican food in KS.
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When i think AUTHENTIC Mexican food, I think Hutchinson, KS, USA.
AUTHENTIC Mexican food in Kansas? than yes. You obviously haven't partaken in the local authentic fare. Which is a sad thing MM. . .a very sad thing.
How do you know it's truly authentic?
Mexican family who speaks Spanish better than English? :dunno:
ydarg have you tried La Hacienda (https://www.facebook.com/pages/La-Hacienda-Grocery-Store-And-Taqueria/183880225030966) yet? I mean, zomg, so authentic. And they serve beer now!
Also, KCK probably has the most authentic Mexican food in KS.
there is no jose peppers in kck so your face and your post is an #epicfail
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Also, KCK probably has the most authentic Mexican food in KS.
You obviously have never been to SW Kansas...
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Also, KCK probably has the most authentic Mexican food in KS.
You obviously have never been to SW Kansas...
You've obviously never driven down Kansas Ave in KCK.
See this thread (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26296.0) for help.
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You want to know when a Mexican restaurant is authentic? When you walk in and everyone in the joint looks at you and has that "wtf are they doing here" look on their faces.
My vote for most authentic:
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I haven't been to Taqueria, but Casa Alvarez in Dodge City is the best Mexican food I've ever had.
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You want to know when a Mexican restaurant is authentic? When you walk in and everyone in the joint looks at you and has that "wtf are they doing here" look on their faces.
My vote for most authentic:
*edited wrong effing restaurant. Sorry bros.
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Curious when you last went to Taco Js? They tore down the old building and put up a new one a few years ago. Not nearly as intimidating nowadays.
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how do you measure authenticity?
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how do you measure authenticity?
Poor inglés.
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how do you measure authenticity?
And why would you try?
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Also, KCK probably has the most authentic Mexican food in KS.
You obviously have never been to SW Kansas...
:nono: kansas city metro has the best of everything ever, don't forget it
the best beach in America is in Waldo, best skiing is in Mission
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
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I'd rather starve than eat "mexican" "food" from Kites/Rusty's.
You need to open up to change bud, that food is actually pretty excellent. It isn't some college flunkies trying to make tacos like at Kites or Tubbys or Porters. . .it is an actual family run kitchen and is on par with other Manhattan authentic mexican.
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I don't Know why authentic Mexican food is touted as a good thing. It's just beans and rice.
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I ate at an authentic texas steak and dinner roll house tonight (even had texas in the name :surprised:). Was really authentic and tasty :thumbs:
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Also, KCK probably has the most authentic Mexican food in KS.
You obviously have never been to SW Kansas...
:nono: kansas city metro has the best of everything ever, don't forget it
the best beach in America is in Waldo, best skiing is in Mission
Well, when referring to pretty much anything culturally relevant, the KC Metro is likely going to beat any other pud town in KS. And Snow Creek, bro. Best skiing between CO and the Mississippi.
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
The Anchor Inn is pretty rough ridin' terrible. It is nothing but cheap Americanized Mexican slop.
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i mean, salina had a branch
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
The Anchor Inn is pretty rough ridin' terrible. It is nothing but cheap Americanized Mexican slop.
This pains me to say because I know the family very well.
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
The Anchor Inn is pretty rough ridin' terrible. It is nothing but cheap Americanized Mexican slop.
I ate there once per a recommendation from a local. They spoke of The Anchor as if it were the greatest restaurant on the planet. It was very very average.
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
The Anchor Inn is pretty rough ridin' terrible. It is nothing but cheap Americanized Mexican slop.
I ate there once per a recommendation from a local. They spoke of The Anchor as if it were the greatest restaurant on the planet. It was very very average.
It was a "Mexican" buffet. I ate it, but meh.
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Tacos El Mexicano is a very good authentic joint off of California in Topeka. You know how I know it's authentic, you get that wtf look when you walk in, they have glass bottles of mexican coca cola, they don't wear gloves when they prepare your food.
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better question- is waks the new kat kid? kat kid is still good and all but maybe he could be like the queen of england version of townies. guess that makes waks tony blair, or prince williams baby, or whoever is in charge of england these days.
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better question- is waks the new kat kid? kat kid is still good and all but maybe he could be like the queen of england version of townies. guess that makes waks tony blair, or prince williams baby, or whoever is in charge of england these days.
No.
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better question- is waks the new kat kid? kat kid is still good and all but maybe he could be like the queen of england version of townies. guess that makes waks tony blair, or prince williams baby, or whoever is in charge of england these days.
Absolutely not. :nono:
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While I love the Anchor, mentioning I was from Hutchinson was more about the little places in South Hutch especially the ladies that provide the delicious mexican food during bingo nights at Our Lady of Guadalupe.
I'm not sure about quality, but SW Kansas definitely has the authenticity. I've never eaten Mexican in KC, so I truly don't have a comparison, but you can't throw a rock without hitting a delicious Mexican restaurant in certain parts of Garden City.
All that aside if you don't try Rusty's Mexican food at least once you are doing yourself a disservice. And if you are in MHK and are looking to eat Mexican then go get super PAKd with your buds. . .it makes sense to eat there then hit the Ville. No one will argue that Lucha is hands above better. . .but it is small and often packed. Fuzzys is alright, but I'm a large proponent for keeping my money local as often as possible.
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While I love the Anchor, mentioning I was from Hutchinson was more about the little places in South Hutch especially the ladies that provide the delicious mexican food during bingo nights at Our Lady of Guadalupe.
I'm not sure about quality, but SW Kansas definitely has the authenticity. I've never eaten Mexican in KC, so I truly don't have a comparison, but you can't throw a rock without hitting a delicious Mexican restaurant in certain parts of Garden City.
All that aside if you don't try Rusty's Mexican food at least once you are doing yourself a disservice. And if you are in MHK and are looking to eat Mexican then go get super PAKd with your buds. . .it makes sense to eat there then hit the Ville. No one will argue that Lucha is hands above better. . .but it is small and often packed. Fuzzys is alright, but I'm a large proponent for keeping my money local as often as possible.
:buh-bye:
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the food is just too good at lucha, you might have to wait for 10 minutes (the horror)
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the food is just too good at lucha, you might have to wait for 10 minutes (the horror)
I've waited much longer than 10 minutes. :dunno: If the weather is bad and there are squatters? Also if I'm also hungry enough for more than three tacos, I'm not interested in a giant burrito and I'm trying to ball on a budget. . .in those circumstances Lucha is not the best option.
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the food is just too good at lucha, you might have to wait for 10 minutes (the horror)
I've never waited more than 15 minutes for a seat at Lucha. Just grab a nancy, chill with your bros, and wait like a normal person.
Also, Lucha doesn't have that stale piss smell that Rusty's has. How can you have an appetite there? :Yuck:
And seven, wasn't your bedtime about 2 hours ago? What are you still doing awake, friend?
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You guys really think lucha is that great? :Yuck:
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You guys really think lucha is that great? :Yuck:
I don't think you have ever eaten there.
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I enjoy lucha very much.
I can't really say if it is great food or not though because I always hose everything with that habanero sauce.
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As a person of size, I really enjoy all this talk of food but can we please get back to the issue at hand? Let's get the focus back on me and my childish rivalry with Rusty.
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lucha is rough ridin' great, yard dog just prefers his mexican a little pizza ranchy
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You guys really think lucha is that great? :Yuck:
I don't think you have ever eaten there.
I have many times. My friend loves eating there on Sundays after the game and hungover. I mean, it's not bad, but it's also not "OMG! THIS IS rough ridin' AMAZING!"
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i haven't paid for a drink at lucha since probably november and i go there probably twice a week. what a place!
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i haven't paid for a drink at lucha since probably november and i go there probably twice a week. what a place!
Baller on a budget
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
The Anchor Inn is pretty rough ridin' terrible. It is nothing but cheap Americanized Mexican slop.
I ate there once per a recommendation from a local. They spoke of The Anchor as if it were the greatest restaurant on the planet. It was very very average.
It was a "Mexican" buffet. I ate it, but meh.
i kid all of you not when i say that i ate the buffet at the anchor just last weekend in hutch, which happened to be right in the middle of their downtown cinco de mayo celebration. :party:
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Ah yes, Hutchinson, el capital of authentic Mexican food. Swing by the Anchor Inn if you're ever out that way, or as the hermanos call it, the Anchor En.
The Anchor Inn is pretty rough ridin' terrible. It is nothing but cheap Americanized Mexican slop.
I ate there once per a recommendation from a local. They spoke of The Anchor as if it were the greatest restaurant on the planet. It was very very average.
It was a "Mexican" buffet. I ate it, but meh.
i kid all of you not when i say that i ate the buffet at the anchor just last weekend in hutch, which happened to be right in the middle of their downtown cinco de mayo celebration. :party:
take an off duty gig as extra security?
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lucha is rough ridin' great, yard dog just prefers his mexican a little pizza ranchy
What if I want mexican food in the Ville on a Monday?
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i haven't paid for a drink at lucha since probably november and i go there probably twice a week. what a place!
Baller on a budget
So. . you ordered water?
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lucha is rough ridin' great, yard dog just prefers his mexican a little pizza ranchy
What if I want mexican food in the Ville on a Monday?
Fuzzy's
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i haven't paid for a drink at lucha since probably november and i go there probably twice a week. what a place!
Baller on a budget
So. . you ordered water?
no
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Taco Lucha is v good, imo. Me and a buddy drank for free there last night, we're not sure why. so yeah, great place.
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Taco Lucha is v good, imo. Me and a buddy drank for free there last night, we're not sure why. so yeah, great place.
studs
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Taco Lucha is v good, imo. Me and a buddy drank for free there last night, we're not sure why. so yeah, great place.
If there was a list of bars in the Ville that you are Most Likely To Receive A Free Drink, Lucha would be #1 on that list. Vaguely recall taking a complimentary tequila shot with Metalhead the last time I was there...
There's a reason that place is always packed and you may have to wait a few minutes for a seat: It's an elite place to eat/drink.
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Who wants to get some aggieville mexican food later? :love:
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Who wants to get some aggieville mexican food later? :love:
:peek:
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i like hacienda myself
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i like hacienda myself
Really good option. Best actual Mexican food in MHK hands down.
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Taco Lucha is v good, imo. Me and a buddy drank for free there last night, we're not sure why. so yeah, great place.
If there was a list of bars in the Ville that you are Most Likely To Receive A Free Drink, Lucha would be #1 on that list. Vaguely recall taking a complimentary tequila shot with Metalhead the last time I was there...
There's a reason that place is always packed and you may have to wait a few minutes for a seat: It's an elite place to eat/drink.
Nobody drinks at Lucha after 9 PM.
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i do
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Taco Lucha is v good, imo. Me and a buddy drank for free there last night, we're not sure why. so yeah, great place.
If there was a list of bars in the Ville that you are Most Likely To Receive A Free Drink, Lucha would be #1 on that list. Vaguely recall taking a complimentary tequila shot with Metalhead the last time I was there...
There's a reason that place is always packed and you may have to wait a few minutes for a seat: It's an elite place to eat/drink.
Nobody drinks at Lucha after 9 PM.
you're wrong.
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Taco Lucha is v good, imo. Me and a buddy drank for free there last night, we're not sure why. so yeah, great place.
If there was a list of bars in the Ville that you are Most Likely To Receive A Free Drink, Lucha would be #1 on that list. Vaguely recall taking a complimentary tequila shot with Metalhead the last time I was there...
There's a reason that place is always packed and you may have to wait a few minutes for a seat: It's an elite place to eat/drink.
Nobody drinks at Lucha after 9 PM.
you're wrong.
Hm. Wonder why management/ownership perpetually complains about it when they're out at other bars then... :dunno:
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I drink at Lucha after 9 quite often.
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the place clears out big time around 9
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oh man. did seven just suggest that lucha clears out if towniecat shows up to hang out? :Wha:
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http://themercury.com/articles/appeals-court-rules-in-favor-of-wilson
:dunno:
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i like hacienda myself
Really good option. Best actual Mexican food in MHK hands down.
Oh man, have I got a thread for you...
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http://themercury.com/articles/appeals-court-rules-in-favor-of-wilson
:dunno:
:lol:
Kansas Court of Appeals – Civil
ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL AND STRICT LIABILITY
KITE’S BAR & GRILL INC. V. KANSAS DEP’T OF REVENUE, ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGE CONTROL DIVISION
RILEY DISTRICT COURT – REVERSED
NO. 110,315 – JUNE 27, 2014
FACTS: The Alcoholic Beverage Control Division (ABC) of the Kansas Department of Revenue (KDOR) suspended the liquor license of Kite's Bar and Grill (Kite's) for four-weekend days due to a minor obtaining or possessing alcohol on Kite's premises. Kite's appealed through the administrative process and then to the district court, which upheld the suspension. Kite's argues that statutory law does not impose strict liability upon it in this civil action when a minor possesses alcohol while on its premises. Secondly, it argues the district court incorrectly found that substantial compliance by ABC was all that was necessary to give notice to Kite's of the administrative action.
ISSUES: (1) Alcoholic beverage control and (2) strict liability
HELD: Court reversed, finding the applicable notice provisions of the Kansas Liquor Control Act (Act) specifically require ABC to deliver a citation to Kite's at the time of the violation and, because ABC did not do so here, the citation it later mailed to Kite's was unenforceable and void. Court held under the plain language of the notice requirements set forth in K.S.A. 41-106, there is no substantial compliance with the terms of the statute to allow enforcement of a civil citation for violation of the Kansas Liquor Control Act when the citation is not delivered at the time of the violation but a copy of the citation is mailed within 30 days. Court found the first issue moot.
STATUTES: K.S.A. 8-1001; K.S.A. 21-2506; K.S.A. 41-106, -108, -321, -2615; K.S.A. 60-1713; and K.S.A. 77-603, -621
http://www.kscourts.org/Cases-and-Opinions/Opinions/CtApp/2014/20140627/110315.pdf
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So, the argument is that someone brought booze on site, was adequately searched, then cracked it? Or that they served someone who should normally have been screened?
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So, the argument is that someone brought booze on site, was adequately searched, then cracked it? Or that they served someone who should normally have been screened?
The Court didn't even consider any of that b/c the cop didn't give Kite's a copy of the citation that night.
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So, the argument is that someone brought booze on site, was adequately searched, then cracked it? Or that they served someone who should normally have been screened?
The Court didn't even consider any of that b/c the cop didn't give Kite's a copy of the citation that night.
Yet another reason im now glad that only the dumbest people i knew growing up go into law enforcement.
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Will you take that same position when you're the victim of a crime? Just askin'
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So, the argument is that someone brought booze on site, was adequately searched, then cracked it? Or that they served someone who should normally have been screened?
The Court didn't even consider any of that b/c the cop didn't give Kite's a copy of the citation that night.
Yet another reason im now glad that only the dumbest people i knew growing up go into law enforcement.
Daris might ban you :Chirp:
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Will you take that same position when you're the victim of a crime? Just askin'
He will when they do a shitty job investigating the offense, more so probably.
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Rusty's attorneys earned free Mexican food for life (or until Rusty changes the type of food again).
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Will you take that same position when you're the victim of a crime? Just askin'
He will when they do a shitty job investigating the offense, more so probably.
This is the correct answer.
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master of promotion
Kite's & Rusty's ?@KansasStateBars 27m
We also have a Gyro Ball and Dunk Tank FREE to everyone on Rusty's patio!!! Throw up in gyro ball = $25 Gift card!!
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:lol:
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Tubby's ain't got a gyro ball
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Will you take that same position when you're the victim of a crime? Just askin'
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-28173984
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What happened to ydarg? :confused: I hope the DC cartels didn't murder him like so much corpse. :shakesfist:
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What on earth is a gyro ball?
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What on earth is a gyro ball?
Sounds like it's used to induce vomiting
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What on earth is a gyro ball?
Sounds like it's used to induce vomiting
I mean, I'll walk up to it and puke in it if that will give me $25
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You strap into it and it spins in every direction, like an astronaut thing
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.goodtimeamusements.com%2Fimages%2Frides%2Fgyro-ball_02.jpg&hash=8d95388c202b42f9830c6acd44a5706fb98a0d26)
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i'm pretty sure this guy had a gyro ball:
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fia.media-imdb.com%2Fimages%2FM%2FMV5BMjE2MzE2NjkzNF5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODM1MjgyMQ%40%40._V1_SY317_CR4%2C0%2C214%2C317_AL_.jpg&hash=2c02115161c745e94b49ac991e56ff58997b5c95)
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:lol:
http://cjonline.com/news/business/2014-09-24/manhattan-bar-alleges-retaliation-tax-action
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Fuggin' police state, I tell ya.
:lol:
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:lol: (but he has a point)
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holy crap 25 officers. thats incredible.
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holy crap 25 officers. thats incredible.
"...with guns and bulletproof vests..." :eek:
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cops just wanted a burger.
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cops just wanted a burger.
"best burger in manhattan do you mind if we tag along?"
"sure, just wear your riot gear in case the fries are 'crazy' haha!"
#cophumor
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if Kite's goes out of business for good, i say gE approaches Rusty to buy the hamburger recipe.
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if Kite's goes out of business for good, i say gE approaches Rusty to buy the hamburger recipe.
they could sell it to station and really spruce up the menu
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if Kite's goes out of business for good, i say gE approaches Rusty to buy the hamburger recipe.
they could sell it to station and really spruce up the menu
best get my name out yo... oh... nvm.
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Post this article, KK.
http://themercury.com/articles/harms-named-aggieville-director
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Rod harms
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What does rusty look like
He was on an episode of pawn stars and they mushed him for trying to get way to much for his fat boy statue
That's all staged, bro
No it's not :don'tcare:
Is too... And, holy crap, I missed this part of the thread but just saw him on a rerun of the episode.
:lol: