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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: 420seriouscat69 on April 11, 2014, 12:03:00 PM
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I can see why ppl would like Obama. He seems pretty charismatic.
I like how Obama DNGAF whether you care if he smokes or not.
I respect their views on weed and abortion, even tho i'm not big into either of them.
I love that they piss my dad off so much. it's very entertaining to me. He gets so :curse:
I'll have more after lunch. Gotta go, gotta go... :buh-bye:
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I like Democrats for having James Carville on their team.
I like how they usually get my order right at the drive through.
I'll get back to you if I can think of any more.
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:lol:
I like democrats that aren't lazy pieces of crap. :surprised:
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I like the democrats that don't voice their opinions.
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I think Hillary Clinton is pretty cool and she can give a hell of a speech. She owned that one dumb eff the other day.
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JFK! :combofan:
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I think it's pretty awesome that Al Gore thinks he invented the internet. I kinda respect that.
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California is a beautiful state and I think I'd like Oregon too.
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I like Democrats for having James Carville on their team.
I like how they usually get my order right at the drive through.
I'll get back to you if I can think of any more.
Typical dumass conservative knocking those who work a job not up to their standard.
What a buncha judgemental assholes.
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better taste in music, typically
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better taste in music, typically
Definitely! I love 96.5 the buzz. :thumbs:
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They're usually really good at trolling.
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Living in the river market has made me want to find my inter hipster. Hats off to making that a thing.
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Pretty sure that about 95% of all the actors, directors, musicians, and other creative types I like are Dems, so thanks for that. But maybe just shut the eff up about your political views and entertain me, alright? Thanks.
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I think most are smart.
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Pretty sure that about 95% of all the actors, directors, musicians, and other creative types I like are Dems, so thanks for that. But maybe just shut the eff up about your political views and entertain me, alright? Thanks.
Yes. All of this. I love watching movies and have a weird obsession with some actors, but plz stop trying to fix the world with your message. No body cares and you're not inspiring anyone. Just keep looking sexy, Matt Damon.
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I love how Anthony Weiner keeps getting caught sending dick pics to people. :lol:
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I love how Anthony Weiner keeps getting caught sending dick pics to people. :lol:
Yes. Adorable and Ironic.
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Living in the river market has made me want to find my inter hipster. Hats off to making that a thing.
Same, except Crossroads! :surprised:
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Living in the river market has made me want to find my inter hipster. Hats off to making that a thing.
Same, except Crossroads! :surprised:
:thumbs:
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hipster wacky is not a person i want to interact with!
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:billdance:
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- I'm jealous of their ability to change the rules as they go to make the outcome match their desires.
- I appreciate the "end justifies the means" attitudes.
- group think
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Their unashamed use of the term "gentrification", and the sadistic joy (derived from their unequaled racism and bigotry) they get out of forcing minorities and the elderly out of their neighborhoods.
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Their devotion to unfounded and idiotic talking points that they think are clever.
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Their devotion to unfounded and idiotic talking points that they think are clever.
you're supposed to say things you love about them
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Isn't it painfully obvious that Wacky is a crat?
What would your hometown say Fanning?
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Their devotion to unfounded and idiotic talking points that they think are clever.
you're supposed to say things you love about them
Yeah, figure this thread out or get out, dork.
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i love having conversations with them (really) because i wholeheartedly agree with them on many things but have no fear of telling them the things i think they're stupid about
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Telling people how "brilliant" Jon Stewart and Rachel Madow are (secret justification for getting all their "news" from those sources)
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Isn't it painfully obvious that Wacky is a crat?
What would your hometown say Fanning?
Not worried about my hometown, more worried about my long ancestory of the fanning name with the party. I'm a soft conservative, but I like to analize things in the middle before making a decision. I drive my dad nuts sometimes, but will never fully accept the liberal way. I think they have some nice ideas tho.
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Telling people how "brilliant" Jon Stewart and Rachel Madow are (secret justification for getting all their "news" from those sources)
jfc start your own "things about 'crats that i'm butthurt about" thread
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Their devotion to unfounded and idiotic talking points that they think are clever.
you're supposed to say things you love about them
It's adorable, officer
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Isn't it painfully obvious that Wacky is a crat?
What would your hometown say Fanning?
Not worried about my hometown, more worried about my long ancestory of the fanning name with the party. I'm a soft conservative, but I like to analize things in the middle before making a decision. I drive my dad nuts sometimes, but will never fully accept the liberal way. I think they have some nice ideas tho.
What's the full acceptance of the liberal way?
Communes?
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i love having conversations with them (really) because i wholeheartedly agree with them on many things but have no fear of telling them the things i think they're stupid about
Yes, I have fun convos with my friend about stances, I try to end it w/ a "I understand where you're coming from", but they always try to zing me before ending the convo. :curse: We just made peace, I hate not having the last word before moving on. :curse:
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After years of antagonize 'pubs for being all 'merica they've suddenly discovered their inner xenophobia and are accusing 'pubs of being Un - American
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Isn't it painfully obvious that Wacky is a crat?
What would your hometown say Fanning?
Not worried about my hometown, more worried about my long ancestory of the fanning name with the party. I'm a soft conservative, but I like to analize things in the middle before making a decision. I drive my dad nuts sometimes, but will never fully accept the liberal way. I think they have some nice ideas tho.
You've got to understand that I had a roommate who was a total pot head, full libtard, overslept work many times to lose many jobs and couldn't pay rent, etc. All these things affected me and in return he'd spew his liberal be all about how the government needed to take care of his healthcare. Working 3 jobs in college, this really pissed me off. He's mooched off all our friends and tells us we're tards for selling out to corporate. He writes a blog now for liberals that averages zero views a day.
What's the full acceptance of the liberal way?
Communes?
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That being said, I know he's extreme.
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He's just a garbage moocher.
I knew a similar righty roommate from college.
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lol, fanning... what in the world
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lol, fanning... what in the world
:D
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Immediately dismissing everything on Fox News as untrue, even after its unequivocally shown to be true.
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Immediately dismissing everything on Fox News as untrue, even after its unequivocally shown to be true.
:nono:
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Immediately dismissing everything on Fox News as untrue, even after its unequivocally shown to be true.
:nono:
It's hilarious, and I like to laugh
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It is, but they have all the other media outlets and I get it. Let's try and be nice. There has to be something you appreciate about them that isn't a back handed comment. At least try, bud. Donkeys are kinda cool.
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Trail Mix?
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Isn't it painfully obvious that Wacky is a crat?
What would your hometown say Fanning?
Not worried about my hometown, more worried about my long ancestory of the fanning name with the party. I'm a soft conservative, but I like to analize things in the middle before making a decision. I drive my dad nuts sometimes, but will never fully accept the liberal way. I think they have some nice ideas tho.
seriously?
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crats are typically less butt hurt about america falling apart, which is nice
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crats are typically less butt hurt about america falling apart, which is nice
Yes. The dope helps. :thumbs:
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I appreciate that they understand (for the most part) that the vast majority of us will never be the 1% and laws designed to benefit only those people do not benefit the rest of us.
There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
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Yes, their low expectations for life are adorable. A free phone and a few bucks will keep them voting democrat for life. Nobody needs a decent paying job, too hard to achieve.
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There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
Wait, what's "the 1%" nowadays? Assuming you're just generally referring to the mega-wealthy, private jet flying, vacation house on St. Bart's class, I've never met any conservative who thought they would ever be that wealthy - I don't. I just realize that at least some of that wealth trickles down to me, allowing my family to live a comfortable life, and that the redistributive road towards communism makes things worse, not better. Doesn't mean I like crony capitalism, but there's plenty of cronies in communism too.
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"i don't want to be the one trickled on" -- @purplebear4
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Yes, their low expectations for life are adorable. A free phone and a few bucks will keep them voting democrat for life. Nobody needs a decent paying job, too hard to achieve.
Those people are losers too. but way to take it to the extreme.
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There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
Wait, what's "the 1%" nowadays? Assuming you're just generally referring to the mega-wealthy, private jet flying, vacation house on St. Bart's class, I've never met any conservative who thought they would ever be that wealthy - I don't. I just realize that at least some of that wealth trickles down to me, allowing my family to live a comfortable life, and that the redistributive road towards communism makes things worse, not better. Doesn't mean I like crony capitalism, but there's plenty of cronies in communism too.
I don't mean literally the 1%, which is $400k/yr or so which is a fairly easily attainable number. I mean the private jet crew. they have done a great job convincing people it is readily attainable to make several million a year and thus you need to let these people keep as much because when you hit that, game on!
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I appreciate that they understand (for the most part) that the vast majority of us will never be the 1% and laws designed to benefit only those people do not benefit the rest of us.
There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
"Socialism never took root in America because the poor see themselves not as an exploited proletariat but as temporarily embarrassed millionaires."
not exactly what you were saying, but a similar thought.
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The reason poor people in this country don't think of themselves as exploited proletariat, is because an overwhelming majority of them are exploiting the so-called bourgeoisie. The balance are either mentally handicapped or those embarrassed millionaires too proud to defraud and manipulate the system.
Average annual benefits for the "poor" in the US is a better living than being middle class in over half of europe and all of the developing and undeveloped world. What's embarrassing is when people properly raise concerns about this perverted system some idiot screams Anti-society , when in fact, fostering a system that allows people to withdraw from society is as Anti-society as it gets.
add that to the list.
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There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
Wait, what's "the 1%" nowadays? Assuming you're just generally referring to the mega-wealthy, private jet flying, vacation house on St. Bart's class, I've never met any conservative who thought they would ever be that wealthy - I don't. I just realize that at least some of that wealth trickles down to me, allowing my family to live a comfortable life, and that the redistributive road towards communism makes things worse, not better. Doesn't mean I like crony capitalism, but there's plenty of cronies in communism too.
I don't mean literally the 1%, which is $400k/yr or so which is a fairly easily attainable number. I mean the private jet crew. they have done a great job convincing people it is readily attainable to make several million a year and thus you need to let these people keep as much because when you hit that, game on!
Help me out where are all these easily attainable,200k-400k jobs?
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The way they tip you off that they are about to tell a really boring uninteresting story, by starting it with "I heard something really interesting on NPR. . ."
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There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
Wait, what's "the 1%" nowadays? Assuming you're just generally referring to the mega-wealthy, private jet flying, vacation house on St. Bart's class, I've never met any conservative who thought they would ever be that wealthy - I don't. I just realize that at least some of that wealth trickles down to me, allowing my family to live a comfortable life, and that the redistributive road towards communism makes things worse, not better. Doesn't mean I like crony capitalism, but there's plenty of cronies in communism too.
I don't mean literally the 1%, which is $400k/yr or so which is a fairly easily attainable number. I mean the private jet crew. they have done a great job convincing people it is readily attainable to make several million a year and thus you need to let these people keep as much because when you hit that, game on!
Help me out where are all these easily attainable,200k-400k jobs?
Lawyers and doctors will usually start pulling that in after 15-20 years
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Thanks for posting, Mittstone
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There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
Wait, what's "the 1%" nowadays? Assuming you're just generally referring to the mega-wealthy, private jet flying, vacation house on St. Bart's class, I've never met any conservative who thought they would ever be that wealthy - I don't. I just realize that at least some of that wealth trickles down to me, allowing my family to live a comfortable life, and that the redistributive road towards communism makes things worse, not better. Doesn't mean I like crony capitalism, but there's plenty of cronies in communism too.
I don't mean literally the 1%, which is $400k/yr or so which is a fairly easily attainable number. I mean the private jet crew. they have done a great job convincing people it is readily attainable to make several million a year and thus you need to let these people keep as much because when you hit that, game on!
Help me out where are all these easily attainable,200k-400k jobs?
There are no easily attainable $200k-$400k jobs unless you're lucky and just in the right place at the right time. At some point you need to sacrifice something or have something to offer that nobody else can deliver. Most people aren't bright enough or willing to sacrifice the time to be successful, and those people need to work for someone who is. But LSOC is right, those numbers are still relatively easy to attain for someone willing to work, but they may not be for much longer, and that's our governments fault. The way things are going, if I was graduating now, I would try to get into a technical type government job.
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:lol:
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government!!! :shakesfist: grrrr :curse:
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:lol:
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government!!! :shakesfist: grrrr :curse:
I know which category you're in, sev. Trust me, go for the government job.
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government!!! :shakesfist: grrrr :curse:
I know which category you're in, sev. Trust me, go for the government job.
i probably will for a few years before transitioning to private sector ;)
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There are tons of conservatives who think they are just a few deals away from being the 1% if the gov would just leave them alone.
Wait, what's "the 1%" nowadays? Assuming you're just generally referring to the mega-wealthy, private jet flying, vacation house on St. Bart's class, I've never met any conservative who thought they would ever be that wealthy - I don't. I just realize that at least some of that wealth trickles down to me, allowing my family to live a comfortable life, and that the redistributive road towards communism makes things worse, not better. Doesn't mean I like crony capitalism, but there's plenty of cronies in communism too.
I don't mean literally the 1%, which is $400k/yr or so which is a fairly easily attainable number. I mean the private jet crew. they have done a great job convincing people it is readily attainable to make several million a year and thus you need to let these people keep as much because when you hit that, game on!
Help me out where are all these easily attainable,200k-400k jobs?
Lawyers and doctors will usually start pulling that in after 15-20 years
That's not easily attainable.
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Thanks for posting, Mittstone
No sweat. You need all of the help you can get.
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I love how smart 'crats are, there is also a Benjamin Button thing going on where the younger the
'Crat the smarter they are, huge brains on these kids.
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the 'crats are correct on the Gay Marriage stance and on the legalization of weed stance, and i love them for that.
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The notion that there's a "liberal way" or a "conservative way" is naive. For the most part, people are complex creatures. A lot of us fall somewhere in between liberal and conservative, and often times it's hard to tell the difference between the two. People like to separate things into neat little dichotomies, but the real world doesn't work that way. Last election cycle, Americans were given two choices, and the majority voted for President Obama. That doesn't mean that everyone who voted for Obama is a weed-smoking hippy.
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I don't think you get this thread. :frown:
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I don't think you get this thread. :frown:
Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.
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I don't think you get this thread. :frown:
Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.
Go point that out in the "Things that non''pubs love about 'pubs" thread. :shakesfist:
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I don't think you get this thread. :frown:
Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.
Go point that out in the "Things that non''pubs love about 'pubs" thread. :shakesfist:
I'm not a 'pub or a 'crat. I'm an indy, bro.
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I don't think you get this thread. :frown:
Just pointing out a flaw in your reasoning.
Go point that out in the "Things that non''pubs love about 'pubs" thread. :shakesfist:
I'm not a 'pub or a 'crat. I'm an indy, bro.
:dubious:
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Bill Clinton
:love: :love: :love:
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The reason poor people in this country don't think of themselves as exploited proletariat, is because an overwhelming majority of them are exploiting the so-called bourgeoisie. The balance are either mentally handicapped or those embarrassed millionaires too proud to defraud and manipulate the system.
Average annual benefits for the "poor" in the US is a better living than being middle class in over half of europe and all of the developing and undeveloped world. What's embarrassing is when people properly raise concerns about this perverted system some idiot screams Anti-society , when in fact, fostering a system that allows people to withdraw from society is as Anti-society as it gets.
add that to the list.
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Do you hear that people living in poverty???
You have it better than middle class people in all of the 3rd world countries.
80% of the worlds population lives on less than $10 a day.
And here you are screwing the wealthy out of a chance for a second vacation home.
makes me so :curse: :Mad: :bang:
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Good to see someone actually identify what true poverty is, even if by accident and then misapplied.
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The notion that there's a "liberal way" or a "conservative way" is naive. For the most part, people are complex creatures. A lot of us fall somewhere in between liberal and conservative, and often times it's hard to tell the difference between the two. People like to separate things into neat little dichotomies, but the real world doesn't work that way. Last election cycle, Americans were given two choices, and the majority voted for President Obama. That doesn't mean that everyone who voted for Obama is a weed-smoking hippy.
I like how they don't know what majority means.
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Republican Motto for 2016 : We won't settle until our poor are as poor as the poorest in the world!!
:alleyoop:
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FSD is now denying the fact that President Obama won a majority of the popular vote. Awesome.
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I'll say it again. Other than being one of thee worst presidents of all time, Obama is pretty charismatic. :Take the Bait:
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What makes him one of the worst presidents all-time? His skin color??
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Poverty is relative. Sometimes, being poor means making $100 less than your wife's sister's husband. Sorry for attention whoring up this thread, guys. :buh-bye:
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What makes him one of the worst presidents all-time? His skin color??
:lol:
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Explain your reasoning, Heath. Otherwise I'll just assume you're a racist 'tater.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
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Oh, lazy ppl have healthcare now? What a rough ridin' saint. :lol:
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Also, why do obama supporters swing race into it right away? I mean a shitty president is a shitty president. Take a lap on the race card.
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"Oh, you think Jemarcus Russell sucks? It's cause he's black, isn't it?" :lol:
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
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We all believe what we want to believe, ben. It's ok, that's what makes us all different. In your mind it's '08 everyday and in my mind it's titletown everyday. "Obama has done really well"- Beems thought process.
That's great. Keep being you bro. :cheers:
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We all believe what we want to believe, ben. It's ok, that's what makes us all different. In your mind it's '08 everyday and in my mind it's titletown everyday. "Obama has done really well"- Beems thought process.
That's great. Keep being you bro. :cheers:
No, that's some grade-A bullshit. There is an objective truth, and you are choosing to ignore it based on some strange desire to be labeled as a Republican.
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But what is "truth"? Is truth unchanging law? We both have "truths," are mine the same as yours?
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What makes him one of the worst presidents all-time? His skin color??
Spoken like a true independent.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
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We all believe what we want to believe, ben. It's ok, that's what makes us all different. In your mind it's '08 everyday and in my mind it's titletown everyday. "Obama has done really well"- Beems thought process.
That's great. Keep being you bro. :cheers:
No, that's some grade-A bullshit. There is an objective truth, and you are choosing to ignore it based on some strange desire to be labeled as a Republican.
Not really. I honestly think arguing over politics is a waste of time. I have my reasons and I lean in the middle either way. I'm on the left side for several things. I'm afraid you know some bad republicans.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?
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We all believe what we want to believe, ben. It's ok, that's what makes us all different. In your mind it's '08 everyday and in my mind it's titletown everyday. "Obama has done really well"- Beems thought process.
That's great. Keep being you bro. :cheers:
No, that's some grade-A bullshit. There is an objective truth, and you are choosing to ignore it based on some strange desire to be labeled as a Republican.
Not really. I honestly think arguing over politics is a waste of time. I have my reasons and I lean in the middle either way. I'm on the left side for several things. I'm afraid you know some bad republicans.
It seems like all of your "reasons" are based on myths and personal bias. Good luck with that.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?
his job
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Oh, lazy ppl have healthcare now? What a rough ridin' saint. :lol:
What an ignorant rough ridin' statement. Pre-existing conditions don't just affect "lazy people."
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Man, oregonsmack really showing how independant he really is. :lol:
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?
Unemployment has been pretty shitty for awhile.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?
his job
funny because I am basing my "the economy is pretty fantastic" position on my job
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We get it guys. You do well. Jesus, mich, you don't have to swing for the balls on every post.
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Man, oregonsmack really showing how independant he really is. :lol:
Obama is the most moderate Democratic president since WWII:
http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/obama-the-moderate/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0 (http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/02/05/obama-the-moderate/?_php=true&_type=blogs&_r=0)
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?
Unemployment has been pretty shitty for awhile.
Pretty narrow measure that can have plenty of other causes but I agree, there needs to be more job creation. Unfortunately, our economy is going through some pretty significant changes in the needs of the labor market. I think there will be some folks who may not have a lot of positions for their skill set available. They may have to be adapting or re-training.
You know what area has tons of jobs right now? Truck drivers
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
Do you not own any stock or property?
I do not. Glad to hear things are well in that department. :)
so what are you basing your "economy is crap" thought on?
Unemployment has been pretty shitty for awhile.
Unemployment has been steadily decreasing since it peaked during the recession:
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
WOW :lol:
The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.
The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.
6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.
The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.
edit: with the current makeup of the court, I'd be really interested to see how a challenge to one of those state laws would play out. I imagine all of the justices would flop ideological sides again, like Bush v. Gore. We won't see it happen under the current administration, I imagine.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
WOW :lol:
The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.
The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.
6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.
The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.
Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.
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Wacky, you do a pretty shitty job of claiming to be a moderate by calling Obama one of the worst of all time.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.
Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
WOW :lol:
The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.
The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.
6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.
The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.
Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.
Prior to banks being able to sell off mortgages as speculative investments, there were very few bad loans awarded to people that they knew couldn't pay them back.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.
Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.
We weren't discussing the policies of past or future presidents, now were we? We were discussing the specific stance that President Obama's administration has taken on recreational marijuana at the state level. It's okay, I know it can be tough to admit when you are wrong.
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You guys are going to be in big trouble when purplebeems gets here.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
WOW :lol:
The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.
The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.
6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.
The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.
Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.
Prior to banks being able to sell off mortgages as speculative investments, there were very few bad loans awarded to people that they knew couldn't pay them back.
Well guess who wanted to securitize mortgages?
Hint: it wasn't government.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.
Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.
We weren't discussing the policies of past or future presidents, now were we? We were discussing the specific stance that President Obama's administration has taken on recreational marijuana at the state level. It's okay, I know it can be tough to admit when you are wrong.
The feds are still going after medical marijuana dispensaries and growers in CA.
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
WOW :lol:
The stock market is being held up by constant QE that will have the national debt at $20+ trillion by the time Obama is done. Wall street banks, the same ones that facilitated the dems dream of home loans for everyone that caused the ongoing recession, are getting filthy rich while the middle class is stuck with the bill.
The unemployment rate numbers are a smoke and mirrors. The real number is closer to 20% than to 7%. The labor force is shrinking as more people are on government assistance than are working, and it isn't because they are retiring voluntarily.
6 million people lost their healthcare because of Obamacare, and 8 million have attempted to get healthcare. We still don't have the true numbers of enrollees that have actually paid a premium.
The unelected EPA is mandating manufacturing out of the US to the third world where they have no emission standards.
The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
There is literally nothing better than it was before Obama.
Housing for everyone was wanted by mortgage companies and investment banks who created,falsely rated CDOs.
Prior to banks being able to sell off mortgages as speculative investments, there were very few bad loans awarded to people that they knew couldn't pay them back.
Well guess who wanted to securitize mortgages?
Hint: it wasn't government.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cMnSp4qEXNM
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Wacky, you do a pretty shitty job of claiming to be a moderate by calling Obama one of the worst of all time.
I definitely lean republican. I guess i'm comparing my self to my dad who is extreme. In the cases of abortion, weed, and same sex marriage, I definitely lean towards my 'crats.
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The federal government has no business being involved with marriage, gay or otherwise, or recreational drugs. They are state issues that have no ties to Obama, other than he was elected based on lies about his views on both.
You know that this statement is bullshit. You're twisting the facts to support your viewpoint. The laws are passing at the state level, yes, but Holder, who is part of President Obama's administration, could chose to take action against Colorado and/or Washington under the Controlled Substances Act. Federalism, man.
Clinton and Bush looked the other way, and the next president will too.
We weren't discussing the policies of past or future presidents, now were we? We were discussing the specific stance that President Obama's administration has taken on recreational marijuana at the state level. It's okay, I know it can be tough to admit when you are wrong.
The feds are still going after medical marijuana dispensaries and growers in CA.
Everything I have seen suggests that those investigations are focused on facilities that violate the California legislation. I don't know of a single state whose interdiction initiative isn't primarily propped up by a partnership with the DEA. State law enforcement agencies get considerable resources from these partnerships in exchange for taking direction in the investigations they carry out and giving up cases to be tried in federal courts. In this instance, it's the California task force enforcing the California legislation, the violations occur in concurrent jurisdictions, federal law is supreme, the case is tried in federal court. It's that simple.
It's amazing that you can have such a strong, opinionated stance on the issue and know next to nothing about the actual circumstances in which these policy objectives are accomplished.
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But I don't have a strong opinion regarding marijuana other than it should be treated the same as alcohol. I do have a strong opinion regarding hypocrisy, though.
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But I don't have a strong opinion regarding marijuana other than it should be treated the same as alcohol. I do have a strong opinion regarding hypocrisy, though.
Are you insinuating that the federal cases out of California that are being prosecuted are examples of hypocrisy?
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Seriously, race is the last thing on my mind. Economy = crap. Foreign affairs = crap. This healthcare crap = crap.
I mean, I guess tell me the positives and plz don't blame previous presidents for his failures. He's had 6 years. I've heard enough.
He's got a pretty salty bracket tho.
You can't just say those things without providing evidence. Here's the reality:
The stock market is at an all-time high. Consumer demand is at its highest level since the recession. The housing market has improved. The unemployment rate is at its lowest point in years. We have essentially ended the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The new healthcare law is working really well (aside from some of the exchanges). Millions of people who couldn't afford health insurance before the ACA are now covered. We have emissions standards for new vehicles. States are legalizing gay marriage and recreational marijuana. I mean, these are all just off the top of my head. There's literally nothing that is worse than it was before Obama was elected President.
:lol:
Devotion to absurd talking points
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I like how the things that make Obama so great he literally has not rough ridin' control over or has actually implemented policies to inhibit (the stock market, pffft). The economy is crap and this "recovery" has been measurably constrained by his asinine domestic policy. Foreign policy is an unmitigated disaster.
Obama, champion of oil and gas production, corporate profits and home ownership! The labor market is in a systemic comma because of the ACA and the only difference in the health insurance market is that some people got insurance through some broke ass exchange instead of via medicaid.
If stock prices and property values represent the economy and the quality of president, then GWB circa 2006 was the greatest president ever by a million miles.
Obama is the worst of any president in our lifetime. I'll let you guys debate whether he's worse than Rutherford Hayes or William Harrison. We do have a crap load more poor people though, so he's help build out the dem base, if you think that's good.
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Also emission standards belong to Bush, one of his dumber policies.
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Con'crats, Obama...
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So, if I want a bear market and my home to lose value I should vote republican?
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So, if I want a bear market and my home to lose value I should vote republican?
Make sure to short the market and liquidate your real estate holdings before you cast that ballot!
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So, if I want a bear market and my home to lose value I should vote republican?
Clearly you're blinded by your hatred of white people and hetero people. Come back when you have facts (preferable graphs, charts and tables), otherwise you're just living in a world of lies and misinformation.
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remember not to bring up the labor participation rate. 'tards hate that one.
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So, if I want a bear market and my home to lose value I should vote republican?
Clearly you're blinded by your hatred of white people and hetero people. Come back when you have facts (preferable graphs, charts and tables), otherwise you're just living in a world of lies and misinformation.
So yes?
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When/why did you become such a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
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When/why did you become such a Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)?
Whoa, droppin' the r word. Not cool.
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When/why did you become such a respect?
When my stocks and property went way up in value?
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remember not to bring up the labor participation rate. 'tards hate that one.
Those part time jobs tho!
:excited:
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remember not to bring up the labor participation rate. 'tards hate that one.
It was brought up but completely ignored.
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remember not to bring up the labor participation rate. 'tards hate that one.
It was brought up but completely ignored.
that stock market tho! :Woohoo:
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You know times are tough in libtardland when corporate profits is the first thing they go to in support of their listless leader. Those evil soleless beings that ruin main street, ship jobs overseas, pump green house gases into the atmosphere, and pay CEOs millions and their own employees minimum wage. They aren't even people! Those corporations and the value of their stock on a "shadow market" that only fat cats can play, is their first source of refuge. LOL
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So, if I want a bear market and my home to lose value I should vote republican?
Cheap gas! :Woohoo:
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So, if I want a bear market and my home to lose value I should vote republican?
Cheap gas! :Woohoo:
and tons of profit taken during the latest run up.
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You know times are tough in libtardland when corporate profits is the first thing they go to in support of their listless leader. Those evil soleless beings that ruin main street, ship jobs overseas, pump green house gases into the atmosphere, and pay CEOs millions and their own employees minimum wage. They aren't even people! Those corporations and the value of their stock on a "shadow market" that only fat cats can play, is their first source of refuge. LOL
A stock market run-up and period of strong corporate earnings was a no go for Libs during the previous administration. Spewing spittle they would exclaim that it wasn't helping anybody but the rich.
Now, under the current regime, the wealth gap is accelerating, minorities face their worst unemployment in years, and there's more people on the receiving end of gov't largesse than pay into the coffers to provide the gov't largesse . . . and the people paying into the gov't coffers are paying into it at a record pace, and it's still no where close to being enough.
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So, I guess the upshot of this thread is there's actually nothing Republicans can say nice about Democrats. :frown:
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A stock market run-up and period of strong corporate earnings
I honestly have no recollection of this happening, but to be fair, I really wasn't paying much attention.
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http://www.today.com/moms/girl-hands-her-jobless-dads-resume-michelle-obama-1D79574409
This is adorable. Dads going to be pissed tho, when he finds out he can't live off the government anymore and has to go back to work. :lol:
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Now post a chart listing what party controlled Congress during those years. You know Congress, aka the guardians of the nations purse strings.
Sadly, during the Clinton years, while the mythical "surplus" was being run, the national debt increased every single year.
But we've had this discussion before, and the billions in IOU's that went into the "lockboxes" that were used to create the "surplus" are immaterial to some on here. Even leading Democrats were saying the "surplus" was a mirage.
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Now post a chart listing what party controlled Congress during those years. You know Congress, aka the guardians of the nations purse strings.
Sadly, during the Clinton years, while the mythical "surplus" was being run, the national debt increased every single year.
But we've had this discussion before, and the billions in IOU's that went into the "lockboxes" that were used to create the "surplus" are immaterial to some on here. Even leading Democrats were saying the "surplus" was a mirage.
We never got to see if the surplus thing could play out because once Jan. 01 came it was game on to get the donors paid back. Oil, defense, pharma, new civilian security hacks, and a buncha supply agencies and weapons makers. Nobody gave an eff about deficits because many thought the money would just fall out of the sky with supply side prayers.
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Top marginal tax breaks didn't happen until 2003 and, correct me if I'm wrong, but I think something catastrophic happened in 2001.
Dems have a spectacular dedication to the theory if you say something enough it becomes true. Sociopathic.
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In the face of actual data, deny! Supply side doesn't work!
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Now post a chart listing what party controlled Congress during those years. You know Congress, aka the guardians of the nations purse strings.
Sadly, during the Clinton years, while the mythical "surplus" was being run, the national debt increased every single year.
But we've had this discussion before, and the billions in IOU's that went into the "lockboxes" that were used to create the "surplus" are immaterial to some on here. Even leading Democrats were saying the "surplus" was a mirage.
We never got to see if the surplus thing could play out because once Jan. 01 came it was game on to get the donors paid back. Oil, defense, pharma, new civilian security hacks, and a buncha supply agencies and weapons makers. Nobody gave an eff about deficits because many thought the money would just fall out of the sky with supply side prayers.
You can't have a surplus, if you're technically still having to borrow money to meet the budget. Every year the so called "surplus" occurred, the United States complied additional National Debt. Much of that was in the form of inter-governmental borrowing, that resulted in billions of dollars in IOU's being thrown into the various "lockboxes". IOU's that at some point have to be paid back and allow for no margin of error in the face of any economic downturn, and really would have meant one thing in order to maintain in semblance of a faux surplus . . . significant Federal Tax Increases.
In looking at congressional composition, it's amazing how the explosion Federal Budget deficits and all time record annual national debt increases occurred under this administration with a Democratically dominated Congress. Really even before that, as the House had a substantial Dem majority in 2007 and the Senate was split right down the middle 49/49 with 2 independents. But the "independents" caucused with the Democrats.
But, those are facts that will never make an indention on resident progressive libs.
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The denial never ends, does it?
Sad really.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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The denial never ends, does it?
Sad really.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
Facts aren't denial. We've been through this before, you spew forth the same old rhetoric, and it's fascinating that you post a graph that ends in 2006. The make-up of Congress is factual reality as well, as is the known political leanings of so called "independents".
"So the table itself, according to the figures issued yesterday, showed the Federal Government ran a surplus. Absolutely false. This reporter ought to do his work. This crowd never has asked for or kept up with or checked the facts. Eric Planin--all he has to do is not spread rumors or get into the political message. Both Democrats and Republicans are all running this year and next and saying surplus, surplus. Look what we have done. It is false. The actual figures show that from the beginning of the fiscal year until now we had to borrow $127,800,000,000." Democratic Senator Earnest Hollings 10/28/1999 U.S. Senate General Sesssion
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The facts are on my side, butthurt boy:
http://www.factcheck.org/2008/02/the-budget-and-deficit-under-clinton/
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The Clinton years showed the effects of a large tax increase that Clinton pushed through in his first year, and that Republicans incorrectly claim is the "largest tax increase in history." It fell almost exclusively on upper-income taxpayers. Clinton’s fiscal 1994 budget also contained some spending restraints. An equally if not more powerful influence was the booming economy and huge gains in the stock markets, the so-called dot-com bubble, which brought in hundreds of millions in unanticipated tax revenue from taxes on capital gains and rising salaries.
Clinton’s large budget surpluses also owe much to the Social Security tax on payrolls. Social Security taxes now bring in more than the cost of current benefits, and the "Social Security surplus" makes the total deficit or surplus figures look better than they would if Social Security wasn’t counted. But even if we remove Social Security from the equation, there was a surplus of $1.9 billion in fiscal 1999 and $86.4 billion in fiscal 2000. So any way you count it, the federal budget was balanced and the deficit was erased, if only for a while.
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I'll take the directly sourced words from a Senator on the floor of the U.S. Senate (A Democrat no less) over the non sourced words that likely came from a partisan website who just wants to continue to perpetuate the myth.
You can't run a surplus, if you're increasing the debt on an annual basis at the same time. The national debt increased every single year Bill Clinton was in office. Admittedly in FY 2000, the national debt only increased $18 billion year over year.
In FY 2000 Intra-Governmental debt increased $248 billion dollars, as in $248 billion dollars worth of IOU's were tossed into the various lockboxes. By the same token, the public debt side of the total national debt decreased $230 million dollars in FY 2000.
From Federal Fiscal Year 1998 to Federal Fiscal Year 2001. The Federal Gov't threw around $842 billion dollars worth of IOU's into the various lockboxes and the U.S. gov't ended that period with a net increase to the national debt of about $392 Billion, after retiring $450 billion dollars of the public side of the national debt. So, despite all those "surplus" years, at the end of Federal FY 2001, the people of the United States were on the hook for an additional $392 billion in debt obligations. Yet, somehow Democrat propagandist still want us to believe the Federal Gov't ran a surplus. Only in the Federal government can borrowing be called revenue.
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www.factcheck.org, or the hysterical ramblings of a right wing hack?
Hmmmm... tough decision!
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LOL, factcheck. :ROFL:
Fiscal Year End National Debt Total:
1996: 5.224 Trillion
1997: 5.413 Trillion
1998: 5.526 Trillion
1999: 5.656 Trillion
2000: 5.674 Trillion
2001: 5.807 Trillion
Souce: U.S. Treasury Department
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I think the lesson learner here is that GWB should have budgeted for deficit spending and then spent slightly less so he could show a "surplus", like the misogynist in chief.
Also, lol at factcheck.
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I'll take the directly sourced words from a Senator on the floor of the U.S. Senate (A Democrat no less) over the non sourced words that likely came from a partisan website who just wants to continue to perpetuate the myth.
You can't run a surplus, if you're increasing the debt on an annual basis at the same time. The national debt increased every single year Bill Clinton was in office. Admittedly in FY 2000, the national debt only increased $18 billion year over year.
In FY 2000 Intra-Governmental debt increased $248 billion dollars, as in $248 billion dollars worth of IOU's were tossed into the various lockboxes. By the same token, the public debt side of the total national debt decreased $230 million dollars in FY 2000.
From Federal Fiscal Year 1998 to Federal Fiscal Year 2001. The Federal Gov't threw around $842 billion dollars worth of IOU's into the various lockboxes and the U.S. gov't ended that period with a net increase to the national debt of about $392 Billion, after retiring $450 billion dollars of the public side of the national debt. So, despite all those "surplus" years, at the end of Federal FY 2001, the people of the United States were on the hook for an additional $392 billion in debt obligations. Yet, somehow Democrat propagandist still want us to believe the Federal Gov't ran a surplus. Only in the Federal government can borrowing be called revenue.
We,know,who controlled congress when the budget busters below were implemented .
-two Middle East occupations.
-Medicare prescription drug benefit
- over 100% increase in pentagon spending
-new homeland security dept.
These things are still with us and Republicans have never ever wanted to raise a dime to pay for it.
Your ilk is lousy at managing and governing.
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What is a list of thing Democrats voted for, Alex?
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If there's anything that came away from this thread, it's definitely that beems proved himself as an independent. :lol:
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I'll take the directly sourced words from a Senator on the floor of the U.S. Senate (A Democrat no less) over the non sourced words that likely came from a partisan website who just wants to continue to perpetuate the myth.
You can't run a surplus, if you're increasing the debt on an annual basis at the same time. The national debt increased every single year Bill Clinton was in office. Admittedly in FY 2000, the national debt only increased $18 billion year over year.
In FY 2000 Intra-Governmental debt increased $248 billion dollars, as in $248 billion dollars worth of IOU's were tossed into the various lockboxes. By the same token, the public debt side of the total national debt decreased $230 million dollars in FY 2000.
From Federal Fiscal Year 1998 to Federal Fiscal Year 2001. The Federal Gov't threw around $842 billion dollars worth of IOU's into the various lockboxes and the U.S. gov't ended that period with a net increase to the national debt of about $392 Billion, after retiring $450 billion dollars of the public side of the national debt. So, despite all those "surplus" years, at the end of Federal FY 2001, the people of the United States were on the hook for an additional $392 billion in debt obligations. Yet, somehow Democrat propagandist still want us to believe the Federal Gov't ran a surplus. Only in the Federal government can borrowing be called revenue.
We,know,who controlled congress when the budget busters below were implemented .
-two Middle East occupations.
-Medicare prescription drug benefit
- over 100% increase in pentagon spending
-new homeland security dept.
These things are still with us and Republicans have never ever wanted to raise a dime to pay for it.
Your ilk is lousy at managing and governing.
Who said they were my ilk. I just enjoy tweaking progressives who attempt to obfuscate and lay blame elsewhere when they're in charge and everything is going even farther into the shitter at a more rapid rate.
Who has embraced DHS, the CIA and the NSA with extreme zeal since taking office in 2008? Who has given the CIA a perpetual hall pass since 2008? Which has culminated in the destabilization of multiple countries, has killed 1000's of people, created hundreds of thousands of refugee's and has potentially made Al Queda or Al-CIAda stronger than ever? Who has defended the so called draconian measures of the previous administration in court with such a fervor, even former leaders of the East German Stasi look upon in awe? Which administration has embraced and propagates the concept of indefinite detention? Which administration has the New York Times and the Associated Press calling it the most closed, most secretive and least transparent administration in modern American presidential history?
Which administration is pointing their finger with pride at a relatively anemic "recovery" only brought about by the constant pumping of the Fed, while overseeing the lowest workforce participation rate since they began compiling that statistic . . . now halfway through a 2nd term? Thus artificially lowering the unemployment rate. Which administration thanks the flying spaghetti monster every day that commodities like food and fuel aren't factored into the inflation rate? Who has U.S. corporations so scared that they continually stockpile cash offshore? Which administration breaks its own rules repeatedly when it comes to amending what will likely be the single most catastrophic piece of legislation in American history? Which administration has significant portions of the constituency that they supposedly championed now saying that the current administration has pretty much failed them in every conceivable fashion? Only coming back around when its time to open up the voting booths.
And on, and on, and on, and on.
The Democratic party: It's always somebody else's fault when we're in charge.
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You won't get an argument out of me because I think democrats are basically just lousy republicans on the corporates take.
Sounds to me tough that republicans act irresponsible and then blame everybody else. Those things I listed are still with us and are rooted in republican legislation. That's a fact.
Sorry if I mistaken you for a lousy republican, but you come off as a huge winger for everything anti-liberal.
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What is a list of thing Democrats voted for, Alex?
So. Who wrote it, who signed it?
I don't care if the Dems did or not because I've washed my hands of them.
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If there's anything that came away from this thread, it's definitely that beems proved himself as an independent. :lol:
Independents typically lean one way or the other. Clinton was a moderate Democrat who balanced the budget and didn't get us into war. I'll take that kind of President any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
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If there's anything that came away from this thread, it's definitely that beems proved himself as an independent. :lol:
Independents typically lean one way or the other. Clinton was a moderate Democrat who balanced the budget and didn't get us into war. I'll take that kind of President any day of the week and twice on Sunday.
I don't disagree with you entirely. But as long as the gov't is allowed to the kind of accounting that they do (that you and I, and everybody else in America can't do) than there's going to be fun and games with the budget, and surpluses and deficits. Some people try to claim that inter-governmental borrowing is not debt. Well, unless they change the legislation on that, it is absolutely debt, and by law must be paid back.
But you can't say Clinton kept us out of wars, because he bombed a sovereign nation for nearly 80 days with no congressional approval, no UN mandate and in violation of the NATO charter. Today, we pay a price for that action in numerous ways, and the memory of that situation has never left the mind of people like Putin.
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But you can't say Clinton kept us out of wars, because he bombed a sovereign nation for nearly 80 days with no congressional approval, no UN mandate and in violation of the NATO charter. Today, we pay a price for that action in numerous ways, and the memory of that situation has never left the mind of people like Putin.
Are you saying NATO shouldn't have bombed Serbia and Milosevic? :sdeek:
And if so, is it your position that nations should only ever move beyond economic sanctions and diplomacy when there's a UN madate?
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But you can't say Clinton kept us out of wars, because he bombed a sovereign nation for nearly 80 days with no congressional approval, no UN mandate and in violation of the NATO charter. Today, we pay a price for that action in numerous ways, and the memory of that situation has never left the mind of people like Putin.
Are you saying NATO shouldn't have bombed Serbia and Milosevic? :sdeek:
And if so, is it your position that nations should only ever move beyond economic sanctions and diplomacy when there's a UN madate?
Isn't this the current foreign policy?
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But you can't say Clinton kept us out of wars, because he bombed a sovereign nation for nearly 80 days with no congressional approval, no UN mandate and in violation of the NATO charter. Today, we pay a price for that action in numerous ways, and the memory of that situation has never left the mind of people like Putin.
Are you saying NATO shouldn't have bombed Serbia and Milosevic? :sdeek:
And if so, is it your position that nations should only ever move beyond economic sanctions and diplomacy when there's a UN madate?
Isn't this the current foreign policy?
Is dax Obama?! :sdeek:
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1Q GDP came screaming in at 0.1% today, for those keeping score on the "recovery".
Dem on msnbc said it's because GDP is racist.
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1Q GDP came screaming in at 0.1% today, for those keeping score on the "recovery".
Dem on msnbc said it's because GDP is racist.
God Damn Protestants.
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1Q GDP came screaming in at 0.1% today, for those keeping score on the "recovery".
Dem on msnbc said it's because GDP is racist.
I heard it was because of the weather.