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Title: Spring Practice
Post by: ManBearPig on April 06, 2014, 06:53:36 PM
Feel free to post any insidery info you may have.

Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: SeanSnyder4Prez on April 06, 2014, 08:18:07 PM
Andre Davis will be good
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: cas4ksu on April 06, 2014, 08:29:24 PM
Hoping to hear Demarcus Robinson is looking good at RB. Would love to see those four stars in use.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Katpappy on April 06, 2014, 08:40:08 PM
Feel free to post any insidery info you may have.
Whoa MBP, aren't you putting SD's big boy pants on.  :surprised:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: scottwildcat on April 06, 2014, 09:12:45 PM
Any Sams info at all would be great!!!
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: The Big Train on April 06, 2014, 09:26:59 PM
Any Sams info at all would be great!!!

Saw him at the union the other day
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: UCHADBRO on April 06, 2014, 09:41:25 PM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: BackPayne on April 06, 2014, 10:04:46 PM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.

Bill is scheming everybody.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Gooch on April 07, 2014, 11:47:13 AM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.
Jesus tittie rough ridin' Christ. :facepalm:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: 'taterblast on April 07, 2014, 11:50:29 AM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.
Jesus tittie rough ridin' Christ. :facepalm:

means nothing
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 07, 2014, 11:51:39 AM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.

Bill is scheming everybody.

Is he listed as a return man yet?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: UCHADBRO on April 07, 2014, 01:31:48 PM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.

Bill is scheming everybody.

Is he listed as a return man yet?

Nope
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: kslim on April 07, 2014, 02:54:16 PM
Lol at our most talented player being buried on the depth chart.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on April 07, 2014, 02:57:05 PM
Do not want him on returns.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: hatingfrancisco on April 07, 2014, 02:59:38 PM
Lol at our most talented player being buried on the depth chart.

Debatable... 
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 07, 2014, 03:00:18 PM
We're gonna be good
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 07, 2014, 03:48:32 PM
Lol at our most talented player being buried on the depth chart.

It just means we are as good as USC. . .you know. . .the school where the second string guys get drafted to the NFL.  Guys!! We've arrived!
 :bigtoke:  :cyclist: :kstategrad:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2014, 03:50:16 PM
I think USC would probably have Daniel on the first team at at least one position.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on April 07, 2014, 03:53:52 PM
Why is our best QB third string?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MouseRat on April 07, 2014, 03:55:40 PM
Interesting if true.  Snyder/Coleman are scheming hard.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 07, 2014, 03:58:25 PM
I think USC would probably have Daniel on the first team at at least one position.

So. . .by Snyder's standards. . .we're better than USC?? :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 07, 2014, 04:31:28 PM
I think USC would probably have Daniel on the first team at at least one position.

So. . .by Snyder's standards. . .we're better than USC?? :horrorsurprise:

By anyone's standards we are.  Scoreboard
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: UCHADBRO on April 07, 2014, 04:40:07 PM
Interesting if true.  Snyder/Coleman are scheming hard.

A+ Source. A lot of spring and summer left though. It'll be interesting to see how this all plays out.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 07, 2014, 04:41:07 PM
Maybe Sams should go play defense. Dimel hates him.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Frankenklein on April 07, 2014, 04:43:43 PM
I posted this in the Sams vs Waters thread but.....

Sams is currently 3rd on the depth chart at QB and 6th on the depth chart at WR.
WTF
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 07, 2014, 04:44:09 PM
Maybe Sams should go play defense. Dimel hates him.

Worked for Tuggle.  :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MouseRat on April 07, 2014, 06:14:14 PM
Maybe Sams should go play defense. Dimel hates him.

Worked for Tuggle.  :dunno:





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Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Big Sam on April 07, 2014, 07:38:15 PM
Guise:

With Snyder's mind games, odds are that almost all starters will be 3rd string either in spring or pre-season camp at some point.  Bill loves to tell these kids they have to "earn" their spot back.

Depth chart means nothing to the schemedoctor.  Especially if there isn't a game for a week or two.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: KITNfury on April 08, 2014, 08:43:50 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: hippocraticoaf on April 08, 2014, 08:56:27 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.

Yep. Considering everything I've heard, the coaches seem to think he's the real deal.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 08, 2014, 09:09:04 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.

Based upon what I've heard, the depth chart should be

1. Sams
2. Ertz
3. Waters

The coaches really love Jake and dislike Daniel, though. At least Dimel does, and he's basically running things now.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: KITNfury on April 08, 2014, 09:58:42 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.

Based upon what I've heard, the depth chart should be

1. Sams
2. Ertz
3. Waters

The coaches really love Jake and dislike Daniel, though. At least Dimel does, and he's basically running things now.
I'm not in love with Waters, but if he is truly our 3rd best QB, then that position is probably better than it has ever been here.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 08, 2014, 10:04:44 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.

Based upon what I've heard, the depth chart should be

1. Sams
2. Ertz
3. Waters

The coaches really love Jake and dislike Daniel, though. At least Dimel does, and he's basically running things now.
I'm not in love with Waters, but if he is truly our 3rd best QB, then that position is probably better than it has ever been here.

It is. The problem is that Waters is starting, so it just doesn't matter.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: hippocraticoaf on April 08, 2014, 10:08:54 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.

Based upon what I've heard, the depth chart should be

1. Sams
2. Ertz
3. Waters

The coaches really love Jake and dislike Daniel, though. At least Dimel does, and he's basically running things now.
I'm not in love with Waters, but if he is truly our 3rd best QB, then that position is probably better than it has ever been here.

It is. The problem is that Waters is starting, so it just doesn't matter.

Are you really suggesting that as a D1 football program, we've been starting our 3rd best QB just because a coach doesn't like Sams. Yeah not sure why but I'm not too sure I believe that.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Belvis Noland on April 08, 2014, 10:25:03 AM
Most on here love the idea of Sams because he has more potential to be a true dual threat - which has served us well in the past.  These same people also know that Waters is pretty good.  The problem is that these folks won't admit the latter because they are too devoted to the former.

It is what it is.  He's starting.  hopefully Sams is also starting at another position. 
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Trogdor on April 08, 2014, 10:37:01 AM
They practice in the Bill from 5:30-7
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2014, 10:38:16 AM
Often times it seems what most people miss when hoping for DSams to be the starter is the fact that although he is a fantastic athlete/player, he's not the BEST athlete/player on our team.... Lockett holds that distinction.

With that said, Waters best utilizes and maximizes Lockett's skill set, thus has locked himself in as the starter who gives us the best chance for success.  I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.

DSams will see the field A LOT this fall and my understanding is that we can anticipate him filling a very similar role to that of Boykin at TCU when it's all said and done.

Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: slobber on April 08, 2014, 10:42:31 AM
Often times it seems what most people miss when hoping for DSams to be the starter is the fact that although he is a fantastic athlete/player, he's not the BEST athlete/player on our team.... Lockett holds that distinction.

With that said, Waters best utilizes and maximizes Lockett's skill set, thus has locked himself in as the starter who gives us the best chance for success. I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.

DSams will see the field A LOT this fall and my understanding is that we can anticipate him filling a very similar role to that of Boykin at TCU when it's all said and done.
LET'S GET HIM!





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Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 08, 2014, 11:03:16 AM
Maybe Ertz is just that full of studballs.

Based upon what I've heard, the depth chart should be

1. Sams
2. Ertz
3. Waters

The coaches really love Jake and dislike Daniel, though. At least Dimel does, and he's basically running things now.
I'm not in love with Waters, but if he is truly our 3rd best QB, then that position is probably better than it has ever been here.

It is. The problem is that Waters is starting, so it just doesn't matter.

Are you really suggesting that as a D1 football program, we've been starting our 3rd best QB just because a coach doesn't like Sams. Yeah not sure why but I'm not too sure I believe that.

3rd best for LHC Bill Snyder's system, anyway. He was 2nd best last year. Ertz was redshirting.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Dugout DickStone on April 08, 2014, 11:12:48 AM
They practice in the Bill from 5:30-7

Get your ass over there and do some Fitzing
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 08, 2014, 12:32:41 PM
Often times it seems what most people miss when hoping for DSams to be the starter is the fact that although he is a fantastic athlete/player, he's not the BEST athlete/player on our team.... Lockett holds that distinction.

With that said, Waters best utilizes and maximizes Lockett's skill set, thus has locked himself in as the starter who gives us the best chance for success.  I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.

DSams will see the field A LOT this fall and my understanding is that we can anticipate him filling a very similar role to that of Boykin at TCU when it's all said and done.

This is definitely how I see it, but I haven't watched much of how they have cleverly used Boykin.  Is it just the wildcat formation sometimes? Or do they do end arounds and slotback formation with him?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ManBearTurkey on April 08, 2014, 12:39:15 PM
I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.


I think I've made my peace with the fact our fanbase doesn't deserve Sams. But I will never understand why people think Lockett makes Waters significantly better, but Lockett doesn't make Sams better.

 
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: KITNfury on April 08, 2014, 01:55:50 PM
I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.


I think I've made my peace with the fact our fanbase doesn't deserve Sams. But I will never understand why people think Lockett makes Waters significantly better, but Lockett doesn't make Sams better.
I think what he was saying is that Waters makes Lockett that much "better".....or rather "more effective".
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Katpappy on April 08, 2014, 02:09:53 PM
I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.


I think I've made my peace with the fact our fanbase doesn't deserve Sams. But I will never understand why people think Lockett makes Waters significantly better, but Lockett doesn't make Sams better.
Lockett can't keep a hold of Sams balls, no mater how hard he squeezes.  See BWW Bowl for proof.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: UCHADBRO on April 08, 2014, 02:38:03 PM
Also, I've heard that Mike Moore is an absolute beast.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 08, 2014, 06:23:06 PM
Also, I've heard that Mike Moore is an absolute beast.
you're a good person. thank you for the info.

is he playing straight LB or is he still at the tuggle position (3rd down DE/LB)?

i hope he starts at LB with either derricott or riddle.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 08, 2014, 07:30:26 PM
I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.


I think I've made my peace with the fact our fanbase doesn't deserve Sams. But I will never understand why people think Lockett makes Waters significantly better, but Lockett doesn't make Sams better.

It doesn't take an NFL scout's eyes to see that Waters can make throws that DSams can't, just as it doesn't take an NFL scout's eyes to see that DSams can make plays with his legs that Waters can't.

Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 08, 2014, 08:28:50 PM
Also, I've heard that Mike Moore is an absolute beast.

Man I hope so. Good linebacker name, etc.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 08, 2014, 08:31:34 PM
Deepest k-state cats football roster ever? Seems like it may be.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on April 08, 2014, 08:32:29 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: sunny_cat on April 08, 2014, 08:33:40 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 08, 2014, 08:35:00 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?

He would not have a hard time believing Waters is our third best quarterback.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on April 08, 2014, 08:36:59 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters. 
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: sunny_cat on April 08, 2014, 08:45:47 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?

He would not have a hard time believing Waters is our third best quarterback.

T-Y Benja
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: GoodForAnother on April 08, 2014, 08:47:38 PM
lol @ getting worked up over a snyder spring depth chart
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Katpappy on April 08, 2014, 08:51:34 PM
lol @ getting worked up over a snyder spring depth chart
Yea, when we should be shaking and jingling to the great announcement at the Spring Game.  :crossfingers: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :love: :pray: :Wha:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 08, 2014, 08:55:46 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?

He would not have a hard time believing Waters is our third best quarterback.

T-Y Benja

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ManBearPig on April 08, 2014, 09:03:09 PM
The halftime entertainment at the spring game better be an arm wrestling match between Will Geary and Jordan Willis
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Panjandrum on April 08, 2014, 09:29:17 PM
lol @ getting worked up over a snyder spring depth chart

Eh, I take as a good sign that everyone is optimistic and excited for the season.

So, I'm happy about that.  If we're arguing over backups, it's a good time to be a KSU fan.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Demo158 on April 09, 2014, 12:41:49 AM
lol @ getting worked up over a snyder spring depth chart

Eh, I take as a good sign that everyone is optimistic and excited for the season.

So, I'm happy about that.  If we're arguing over backups, it's a good time to be a KSU fan.
Agreed 100%
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: jtksu on April 09, 2014, 12:54:26 AM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: bones129 on April 09, 2014, 12:57:02 AM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.

Good post, jt.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: eastcat on April 09, 2014, 12:57:14 AM
Sams should switch to basketball. He could probably play the point better than Jevon.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: bones129 on April 09, 2014, 12:58:29 AM
Sams should switch to basketball. He could probably play the point better than Jevon.

He could probably shoot better than Jevon...at least for now.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: eastcat on April 09, 2014, 01:00:08 AM
NBA jersey chasers would be worth it alone.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: bones129 on April 09, 2014, 01:03:13 AM
NBA jersey chasers would be worth it alone.

Likely.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: j rake on April 09, 2014, 09:45:28 AM
k-state finishes 8-4; 9-3 more likely than 7-5.

enjoy the season.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2014, 09:50:46 AM
k-state finishes 8-4; 9-3 more likely than 7-5.

enjoy the season.

9-3 may get us another Dr. Pep.  :thumbs:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: scottwildcat on April 09, 2014, 09:55:29 AM

k-state finishes 8-4; 9-3 more likely than 7-5.

enjoy the season.

9-3 may get us another Dr. Pep.  :thumbs:

Playoff or bust
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: DOD Take 2 on April 09, 2014, 10:12:44 AM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.

Why do we think he'd actually play much at WR? We already have athletic players at those positions who have been training as WR for years, and it sounds like the staff likes Burton and Jones.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: DOD Take 2 on April 09, 2014, 10:17:49 AM
I'm fully of the belief that if it weren't for #16, DSams would be the starter.


I think I've made my peace with the fact our fanbase doesn't deserve Sams. But I will never understand why people think Lockett makes Waters significantly better, but Lockett doesn't make Sams better.
I think what he was saying is that Waters makes Lockett that much "better".....or rather "more effective".

I think the main argument is Sams didn't play much or consistently with Lockett and Thompson on the field. It seemed like he could have had even more success with them than he already had. The two games he received most PT were OSU and Baylor, and Lockett left early 2nd quarter at OSU.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: manpow5 on April 09, 2014, 10:38:25 AM
Honestly, I'm not sure if LHCBS wanted Sams to go to WR. I think Bill realized that Sams is a much better athlete than waters and can play other positions where as Waters is only good at QB and both are so good that we need both on the field therefore we had Sams be the athlete he is and Waters be the QB he is. We were going to take a hit no matter what, but putting Sams and Waters on the field together is better for our offense than only having one on the field. It also messes with defenses because they have no idea what he's going to do. We could run a bubble screen and Sams break away or we could run a fake bubble from waters to Sams with a deep pass from Sams to Lockett in the endzone. Either way, it's a win win for us cats fans.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2014, 10:40:34 AM
yeah, a bright spot here is that when we break huddle we can just run to the line with sams at QB and have waters go stand in the corner but they've already got, like, 7 DBs on the field and sams just trucks all of them into the endzone and we all just go nuts with partys.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: KITNfury on April 09, 2014, 10:40:42 AM

k-state finishes 8-4; 9-3 more likely than 7-5.

enjoy the season.

9-3 may get us another Dr. Pep.  :thumbs:

Playoff or bust
I'm holding out for playoffs to brah. I will revise goals if/when we lose 2 games.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Steffy08 on April 09, 2014, 11:10:28 AM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.

Why do we think he'd actually play much at WR? We already have athletic players at those positions who have been training as WR for years, and it sounds like the staff likes Burton and Jones.

I agree with this.  Sams is very athletic for a QB, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that he will be a fantastic receiver.  I think we are best if Sams plays 2-3 series per game in our QB run package.  Teams then have to prepare for that package in addition to the plays we tend to run when Waters is QB.  I think this is what Snyder wants.  But I don't think it is what Sams wants, unfortunately.

Also, with the defense I anticipate us having in 2015, I think our best option at QB is Sams in 2015.  Avoid turnovers and pound the ball.  Sams could run that offense.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MadCat on April 09, 2014, 11:39:19 AM
I think Bill should list Sams in the rotation for every position so opposing coaches will be all  :horrorsurprise: .
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: _33 on April 09, 2014, 11:42:54 AM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.

Why do we think he'd actually play much at WR? We already have athletic players at those positions who have been training as WR for years, and it sounds like the staff likes Burton and Jones.

He played WR in hs fwiw.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: hatingfrancisco on April 09, 2014, 11:53:56 AM
Great move by Daniel. 

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-06-08/pryor-comparisons-college-qbs-who-made-nfl-position-switches (http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-06-08/pryor-comparisons-college-qbs-who-made-nfl-position-switches)
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: DOD Take 2 on April 09, 2014, 12:34:32 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.

Why do we think he'd actually play much at WR? We already have athletic players at those positions who have been training as WR for years, and it sounds like the staff likes Burton and Jones.

He played WR in hs fwiw.

Yeah but that was 4 years ago, and he wasn't full time WR in high school.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 09, 2014, 12:35:38 PM
Harper figured it out.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: wazucat on April 09, 2014, 12:36:12 PM
I remember Bill saying that we had to get Daniel more opportunities after nearly every game in the back half of our season.  But in reality Daniel got fewer opportunities as the season went on.  I expect this pattern to continue next season until this staff shows they have finally got there collective heads out of their extremities.  A position change just gives them another excuse.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: sunny_cat on April 09, 2014, 12:47:48 PM
Harper figured it out.

Yeah, I mean, he was pretty good.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: puniraptor on April 09, 2014, 01:20:19 PM
anyone who is saying daniel won't be an AWESOME WR is being a jackface
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 09, 2014, 01:57:41 PM
Im glad sams switched to wr
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Cire on April 09, 2014, 02:04:27 PM
They'll still line him up occasionally when they get good personnel matchups.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 09, 2014, 02:47:22 PM
My favorite wide receiver during my undergrad was Chris Harper.  From what I've heard he was a good quarterback. . .which translated to him being a great receiver.  Sams isn't as big as Harper, but his open field play making ability makes him more valuable since he will be utilized on short passes.  My worry is that he won't be able to block.   :dunno:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: troubledscribe on April 09, 2014, 02:54:29 PM
"As a quarterback last season, Sams was spectacular at times while touching the ball. Despite the limited role, he still finished ninth in the Big 12 with 807 rushing yards while averaging 5.31 yards per carry with 11 touchdowns. "

Still think he needs to bulk up and move to RB.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: DOD Take 2 on April 09, 2014, 02:58:10 PM
Harper figured it out.

Yeah, I mean, he was pretty good.

He also started splitting time at WR and QB in his first year at Oregon. They intended to have him play WR until they had injury issues at QB. Just saying he worked on it a lot longer. I'm guessing it's pretty hard to switch positions in one year at this level and see time immediately when you have other talented players at the new position.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 09, 2014, 03:03:09 PM
"As a quarterback last season, Sams was spectacular at times while touching the ball. Despite the limited role, he still finished ninth in the Big 12 with 807 rushing yards while averaging 5.31 yards per carry with 11 touchdowns. "

Still think he needs to bulk up and move to RB.

Snyder was pretty secretive about the running back competition. . .chances the whole Sams to WR is a ruse?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2014, 03:07:21 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MouseRat on April 09, 2014, 03:08:57 PM
"As a quarterback last season, Sams was spectacular at times while touching the ball. Despite the limited role, he still finished ninth in the Big 12 with 807 rushing yards while averaging 5.31 yards per carry with 11 touchdowns. "

Still think he needs to bulk up and move to RB.

Snyder was pretty secretive about the running back competition. . .chances the whole Sams to WR is a ruse?

Put Sams wherever IDGAF.  As long as he's on the field.  As far as RB goes I wish we had more options.  Does anyone remember how awesome it was when we had multiple sceme sets at RB?  Like Josh Scobey and Roc Cartwright, or Mick, Vic, and Thick?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: troubledscribe on April 09, 2014, 03:17:38 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

So moving Daniel Thomas to Running Back was absurd?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: troubledscribe on April 09, 2014, 03:19:37 PM
"maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?"

2013 Rushing Statistics

NAME   CAR   YDS   AVG   LONG   TD
John Hubert   198   1048   5.3   63 (TD)   10
Daniel Sams   152   807   5.3   37   11

Damn what a huge rough ridin' difference.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MouseRat on April 09, 2014, 03:21:28 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

So moving Daniel Thomas to Running Back was absurd?

Daniel Thomas had the perfect frame for it. He could power through holes, truck defenders and then take off. I'm afraid Daniel is a lil too slender and bird-legish.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Benja on April 09, 2014, 03:25:35 PM
The way we used sams last year was just disgusting and sad. Putting him in for two pre-determined QB runs into the teeth of a 9 man box then a desperation heave downfield on third down was borderline abusive. Every time he was in I felt like a close friend of mine was in a bar fight and I couldn't help him I just had to stand and watch the beating. All I want this year is for sams to have an enjoyable college football season and get some sort of legit opportunity to showcase his skills. I just want Daniel to have some fun guys.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ydarg2012 on April 09, 2014, 04:32:32 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

I think I have an idea, but I'd really enjoy hearing your breakdown of why sams isn't built to be an effective QB. 

Also curious how having two QBs in the backfield could be anything but awesome?

TIA
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: star seed 7 on April 09, 2014, 04:35:16 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

I think I have an idea, but I'd really enjoy hearing your breakdown of why sams isn't built to be an effective QB. 

Also curious how having two QBs in the backfield could be anything but awesome?

 :blank:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Frankenklein on April 09, 2014, 04:56:57 PM
Team Sams is in spring butthurt practice.Should make for some great butthurt posting this fall when Sams doesn't touch the ball on every play
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: jtksu on April 09, 2014, 05:09:12 PM
I would not have a hard time believing that Waters is our third best quarterback.

Huh?
Staff loves Ertz and Sams is better than Waters.

Last year would certainly suggest otherwise.   Waters was very solid the last half of the season.   IF Ertz is that good, a move to WR is best for Sams and the Wildcats.  Love Sams athleticism, he needs to be on the field almost every snap.

Why do we think he'd actually play much at WR? We already have athletic players at those positions who have been training as WR for years, and it sounds like the staff likes Burton and Jones.

He played WR in hs fwiw.

Yeah but that was 4 years ago, and he wasn't full time WR in high school.

He wasn't a full time QB in high school either.   Dude is plenty athletic emough to play WR.   Can you imagine him playing the slot?   Dude could be deadly after the catch.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MouseRat on April 09, 2014, 05:16:18 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: UCHADBRO on April 09, 2014, 05:23:06 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.

Let's talk about how dreamy our LB group could be!!!
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 09, 2014, 05:47:56 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.

Let's talk about how dreamy our LB group could be!!!

Or, how about the fact that the new tackles can't block Mueller.

Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: manpow5 on April 09, 2014, 05:49:41 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.

Let's talk about how dreamy our LB group could be!!!

Or, how about the fact that the new tackles can't block Mueller.

yea.. that's not a good thing...
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: jtksu on April 09, 2014, 06:18:22 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.

Let's talk about how dreamy our LB group could be!!!

Or, how about the fact that the new tackles can't block Mueller.

No one can block Mueller.   
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: cas4ksu on April 09, 2014, 07:37:34 PM
I would really rather see somebody else other than Schellenberg be at safety this season. I know that the Travis Green kid we got from Iowa Western was pretty well thought of at the time we signed him.

Maybe Sean Newlan is the next Ty Zimmerman?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 09, 2014, 07:40:59 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.

Let's talk about how dreamy our LB group could be!!!

Or, how about the fact that the new tackles can't block Mueller.

No one can block Mueller.

Not worried about our first year transfers having a hard time blocking the Big XII's best defensive lineman during their first week of practice. Snyder seemed cautiously optimistic about our tackles.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on April 09, 2014, 07:45:04 PM
Lol at our most talented player being buried on the depth chart.

Lockett is buried on the depth chart!?  :runaway:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: MixBerryCrunch on April 09, 2014, 07:56:21 PM
We seriously need to find something else spring football related to post in this thread.  Sams at WR is a dead horse.

Let's talk about how dreamy our LB group could be!!!

Or, how about the fact that the new tackles can't block Mueller.

yea.. that's not a good thing...

That's actually a great thing. I would be really concerned if our new tackles could bock our best d-lineman.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on April 09, 2014, 07:57:33 PM
I can't believe people still think Sams is a better QB than Waters. Lots of cave dwellers round here I suppose.

FTR, I was well documented #teamsams
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ManBearPig on April 09, 2014, 08:16:59 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

So moving Daniel Thomas to Running Back was absurd?

Daniel Thomas had the perfect frame for it. He could power through holes, truck defenders and then take off. I'm afraid Daniel is a lil too slender and bird-legish.

now Lamark Brown at Running Back.... :sdeek:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 09, 2014, 08:45:02 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

So moving Daniel Thomas to Running Back was absurd?

Daniel Thomas had the perfect frame for it. He could power through holes, truck defenders and then take off. I'm afraid Daniel is a lil too slender and bird-legish.

now Lamark Brown at Running Back.... :sdeek:

He was the best running back on that team. I would support Sams at RB this year if it looked like our starter was going to be Logan Dold.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: sunny_cat on April 09, 2014, 08:46:04 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

So moving Daniel Thomas to Running Back was absurd?

Daniel Thomas had the perfect frame for it. He could power through holes, truck defenders and then take off. I'm afraid Daniel is a lil too slender and bird-legish.

now Lamark Brown at Running Back.... :sdeek:

He was the best running back on that team. I would support Sams at RB this year if it looked like our starter was going to be Logan Dold.

Who do you think our starter will be? Robinson? Leverett?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Rage Against the McKee on April 09, 2014, 09:00:12 PM
sams to rb talk is absurd. like, maybe you don't understand what different football positions require?

So moving Daniel Thomas to Running Back was absurd?

Daniel Thomas had the perfect frame for it. He could power through holes, truck defenders and then take off. I'm afraid Daniel is a lil too slender and bird-legish.

now Lamark Brown at Running Back.... :sdeek:

He was the best running back on that team. I would support Sams at RB this year if it looked like our starter was going to be Logan Dold.

Who do you think our starter will be? Robinson? Leverett?

It sounds like Robinson, but I think I'd be more excited about Leverett, simply based upon the practice rumors I've heard on goEMAW. I think either will do a fine job.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 09, 2014, 10:46:58 PM
It sounded like the reason that Dmac is on the top of the depth chart is because he's a senior, but Snyder seemed to intimate that Leverette and/or Jones may very well work their way past him by the time the season starts.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: bucket on April 09, 2014, 11:02:23 PM
It sounded like the reason that Dmac is on the top of the depth chart is because he's a senior, but Snyder seemed to intimate that Leverette and/or Jones may very well work their way past him by the time the season starts.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: jtksu on April 09, 2014, 11:05:45 PM
It sounded like the reason that Dmac is on the top of the depth chart is because he's a senior, but Snyder seemed to intimate that Leverette and/or Jones may very well work their way past him by the time the season starts.

Yep.   Though I would like to see DMac finally live up to his stars.   Four star RBs give me a stiffy.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 09, 2014, 11:06:18 PM
It sounded like the reason that Dmac is on the top of the depth chart is because he's a senior, but Snyder seemed to intimate that Leverette and/or Jones may very well work their way past him by the time the season starts.

Coach Snyder loves walk-ons. Don't underestimate his ability to mush 4* players either.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: kim carnes on April 09, 2014, 11:06:25 PM
It sounds like we're not going to be very good at the RB position b/c WRSOAT
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: jtksu on April 09, 2014, 11:07:25 PM
It sounds like we're not going to be very good at the RB position b/c WRSOAT

It would sound that way if you were Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), yes.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ksupamplemousse on April 09, 2014, 11:16:40 PM
It sounds like we're not going to be very good at the RB position b/c WRSOAT

...who happened to sign one of the better running backs in the country this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Warmack get quite a few carries as a change-of-pace back, with Leverett being the workhorse.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: PowercatPat on April 09, 2014, 11:32:21 PM
I would really rather see somebody else other than Schellenberg be at safety this season. I know that the Travis Green kid we got from Iowa Western was pretty well thought of at the time we signed him.

Maybe Sean Newlan is the next Ty Zimmerman?

Same. Schellenberg sucks. I'm surprised we didn't really go after any safeties.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on April 09, 2014, 11:35:30 PM
I would really rather see somebody else other than Schellenberg be at safety this season. I know that the Travis Green kid we got from Iowa Western was pretty well thought of at the time we signed him.

Maybe Sean Newlan is the next Ty Zimmerman?

Same. Schellenberg sucks. I'm surprised we didn't really go after any safeties.
May be a sign that the staff loves Newlan/Green/Prewett.  Will probably go with experience over talent, which sucks.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: DQ12 on April 10, 2014, 12:14:21 AM
It sounds like we're not going to be very good at the RB position b/c WRSOAT

It would sound that way if you were Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!), yes.
lol
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: eastcat on April 10, 2014, 12:29:39 AM
green is a grade-a baller
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: UCHADBRO on April 10, 2014, 03:32:17 AM
Lol at our most talented player being buried on the depth chart.

Lockett is buried on the depth chart!?  :runaway:

Lockett hasn't been practicing because he's healing or something... So maybe!
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Stevesie60 on April 10, 2014, 03:41:13 AM
It sounds like we're not going to be very good at the RB position b/c WRSOAT

...who happened to sign one of the better running backs in the country this year. I wouldn't be surprised at all if Warmack get quite a few carries as a change-of-pace back, with Leverett being the workhorse.

If Snyder has said he regrest not red-shirting Sproles (and means it) then I don't see any scenario in which Warmack doesn't redshirt this year.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: 'taterblast on April 10, 2014, 08:51:59 AM
yeah i think the snyder/dimel train is pretty set on the dmac/jlev/jones stable

could be wrong tho!
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: 'taterblast on April 10, 2014, 09:05:38 AM
man, fitz and wally just me pretty pumped for football in their little video thing on gpc

 :Woot:
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Bqqkie Pimp on April 10, 2014, 10:05:53 AM
man, fitz and wally just me pretty pumped for football in their little video thing on gpc

 :Woot:


The myth that "black clothing is slimming" was rendered a moot point in that video.

Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: SeanSnyder4Prez on April 10, 2014, 10:08:24 AM
I think Kendall Adams might end up playing some at safety. He looks REALLY good on film
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: treysolid on April 10, 2014, 10:47:50 AM
if warmack is legitimately better than robinson/leverett/jones, then snyder will play him. the coaching staff gains nothing from putting an inferior product on the field.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: cas4ksu on April 10, 2014, 11:19:31 AM
also what is getting lost in the discussion on running back is that RB's are a dime a dozen. only as good as the OL.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: _33 on April 10, 2014, 11:40:33 AM
I would really rather see somebody else other than Schellenberg be at safety this season. I know that the Travis Green kid we got from Iowa Western was pretty well thought of at the time we signed him.

Maybe Sean Newlan is the next Ty Zimmerman?

Same. Schellenberg sucks. I'm surprised we didn't really go after any safeties.
May be a sign that the staff loves Newlan/Green/Prewett.  Will probably go with experience over talent, which sucks.

Newlan will start next year.  You can take that to the bank.  And cash it. And take the money and hire a fortune teller to tell you who will start next year. And he'll say Newlan.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: treysolid on April 10, 2014, 11:46:27 AM
I look forward to Newlan and Prewett roaming the secondary together 2 years from now.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: That_Guy on April 10, 2014, 11:51:40 AM
Newlan is that much of a Stud?


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Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: bubbles4ksu on April 10, 2014, 12:01:19 PM
Newlan is that much of a Stud?


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think braden wilson from even further west.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Frankenklein on April 10, 2014, 05:01:05 PM
Heard something on the radio about Dante Barnett taking over at Zimms old spot
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Gooch on April 10, 2014, 05:05:57 PM
Heard something on the radio about Dante Barnett taking over at Zimms old spot
You mean the guy for the past two seasons who played in that spot when Zimm's was hurt. Enlightening.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: Frankenklein on April 10, 2014, 05:33:53 PM
Heard something on the radio about Dante Barnett taking over at Zimms old spot
You mean the guy for the past two seasons who played in that spot when Zimm's was hurt. Enlightening.
so the radio guy might really know what he's talking about ?
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: ManBearPig on April 10, 2014, 08:12:28 PM
Newlan is that much of a Stud?


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think braden wilson from even further west.

Hopefully less acne....
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: _33 on April 10, 2014, 10:33:23 PM
Newlan is that much of a Stud?


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think braden wilson from even further west.

NOPE.  He's nothing like Braden Wilson you idiot.  He's basically the opposite of Braden Wilson.  Get your facts straight moron.
Title: Re: Spring Practice
Post by: The Big Train on April 10, 2014, 11:36:42 PM
Heard something on the radio about Dante Barnett taking over at Zimms old spot
You mean the guy for the past two seasons who played in that spot when Zimm's was hurt. Enlightening.
so the radio guy might really know what he's talking about ?

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