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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: MakeItRain on March 21, 2014, 11:12:02 PM
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I'm glad I never have to watch him play basketball ever again.
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srsly tho :Woot:
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his last 3 - :bellylaugh:
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Find your own way back to Overland Park, don't set foot in manhattan ever again.
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His last shot :ROFL:
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His last shot in a ksu uni was an airball that was 2 feet short. No, it wasn't blocked.
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His last shot :ROFL:
It would've been good from 17!
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Just terrible. So bad.
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I love how he waited until the last game of his career to play like he actually has some balls. If he would have been this assertive the last two years I guarantee he wouldn't have went 1-8 tonight.
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i want to fight him.
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Dumbest rough ridin' Fanbase, Ever! So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)!
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Dumbest rough ridin' Fanbase, Ever! So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)!
you should post that in every thread fuckface
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apparently we are dumb, we have posters who can't make a post without using the word "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)" over and over again
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Dumbest rough ridin' Fanbase, Ever! So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)!
you should post that in every thread fuckface
This Site Is The Worst. Dumb Fucks Galore.
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Dumbest rough ridin' Fanbase, Ever! So Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)!
These are emotional posts Wacky, but we see Aaron Craft give senior leadership on his way out. Conner rough ridin' Francramp played better today than Will.
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I love how he waited until the last game of his career to play like he actually has some balls. If he would have been this assertive the last two years I guarantee he wouldn't have went 1-8 tonight.
He was only assertive for the last few minutes after he realized he was about to drop a goose-egg in his last game. He took a charge tho so good for Will I guess.
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Senior Night: 1-2 3pts
Big XII Tourn: 0-6 3pts
NCAA Tourn: 1-8 3 pts
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Yeah...well... His second to last shot, tho...
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Will is a Cat.
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Mir Has Been A Fool Since The Women Coach Hire. It's Like Dealing With Children here.
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Will's last 3 games: shot 2 of 16 from the field, 2 of 15 from three, with 4 rebounds, 12 assists, and 9 turnovers.
Did not check but I bet he averaged at least 35 minutes a game accumulating these stats.
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Will's last 3 games: shot 2 of 16 from the field, 2 of 15 from three, with 4 rebounds, 12 assists, and 9 turnovers.
Did not check but I bet he averaged at least 35 minutes a game accumulating these stats.
Also lost minutes to Nigel during his final game because he couldn't keep up on defense.
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What good is having a white guy who can't shoot threes? JFC we really got boned.
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His last home game and his last ncaa game .. :'bye cruel world:
And I was pro-Will much more than Anti-Will for 4 yrs
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Mir Has Been A Fool Since The Women Coach Hire. It's Like Dealing With Children here.
I just wanted to say I think you're making some very compelling counterpoints to the negative posts tonight. You've given us all a lot to think about with your thoughtful analysis. You are doing this board a wonderful service, thank you.
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The thing is these last three games have been a preview of what this team will be like without him. :o
Carefully what you wish for.
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The thing is these last three games have been a preview of what this team will be like without him. :o
Carefully what you wish for.
:confused: didn't he average like 30 mpg the last three games
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Mir Has Been A Fool Since The Women Coach Hire. It's Like Dealing With Children here.
I just wanted to say I think you're making some very compelling counterpoints to the negative posts tonight. You've given us all a lot to think about with your thoughtful analysis. You are doing this board a wonderful service, thank you.
has to be super pakd i was sticking up for shane getting a t since oscar wouldnt and he blasted me. So confusing that wacky is
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Mir Has Been A Fool Since The Women Coach Hire. It's Like Dealing With Children here.
I just wanted to say I think you're making some very compelling counterpoints to the negative posts tonight. You've given us all a lot to think about with your thoughtful analysis. You are doing this board a wonderful service, thank you.
has to be super pakd i was sticking up for shane getting a t since oscar wouldnt and he blasted me. So confusing that wacky is
I can't tell if he's a good fan or a terrible one.
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I enjoyed Cauley switching onto Foster, Will ignoring it and dribble driving, tripping onto the floor, turning it over and UK gets a runout.
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You Guys Are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Dude Coached His Ass Off With His Hands Tied.
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You Guys Are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Dude Coached His Ass Off With His Hands Tied.
#poorbruce
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The thing is these last three games have been a preview of what this team will be like without him. :o
Carefully what you wish for.
:confused: didn't he average like 30 mpg the last three games
If he didn't hit jump shots, no one besides Foster was going to. None of the new guys are going to. It's hard to see how we improve offensively next year.
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You Guys Are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Dude Coached His Ass Off With His Hands Tied.
his hands aren't tied, he's just too awkward and doesn't know what to do with his hands.
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It was amazing how much Will helped when he played well/made shots. It was also amazing how inconsistently he did so. Such a weird career where nearly ever year he had a nice stretch and then plenty of other bad stretches. And every coach he played for played him a lot.
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Will was a semi-competent player that completely crap himself in any game that mattered, and tried to lead a rough ridin' mutiny against the most successful coach at K-State basketball in the last 25 years, then proceeded to throw Frank under the bus after he left, and that wasn't enough because him and his dad continued to lead a mudslinging campaign against Frank for the next two years knowing full well that Frank couldn't defend himself. He's a total piece of crap who was every bit the mediocre basketball player that he was painted as and I hope he never darkens the doorstep of Kansas State #1cats University ever again. Get mumped Will :Flipped off x2:
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And every coach he played for played him a lot.
Silly comment. Frank played him because Frank Franked too many players, oscar played him because he was an upperclassman, didn't Frank him, and didn't have anyone better (arguably).
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And every coach he played for played him a lot.
Silly comment. Frank played him because Frank Franked too many players, oscar played him because he was an upperclassman, didn't Frank him, and didn't have anyone better (arguably).
Fair enough. And yes, neither coach recruited a player good enough to outright replace him or beat him out for significant minutes.
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You Guys Are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Dude Coached His Ass Off With His Hands Tied.
do you think oscar & Will are the same guy, this thread is about one of the hand tye'rs? #WhiteDudesLookAlike
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I really don't get the Spradling hate. No, he wasn't all-world, but demonizing him when other players couldn't beat him out seems silly.
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Dude Runs Laps Around Frank, But We Have A Fanbase Waiting For Him To Lose. rough ridin' Woof!
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You Guys Are Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). Dude Coached His Ass Off With His Hands Tied.
do you think oscar & Will are the same guy, this thread is about one of the hand tye'rs? #WhiteDudesLookAlike
They are both awkward with weird voices :dunno:
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The thing is these last three games have been a preview of what this team will be like without him. :o
Carefully what you wish for.
:confused: didn't he average like 30 mpg the last three games
If he didn't hit jump shots, no one besides Foster was going to. None of the new guys are going to. It's hard to see how we improve offensively next year.
so you're saying that someone is going to regularly have the three game stretch that Will just had? He played lots and had very negative impacts, that isn't the same as him not playing
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Are we not suppose to be pissed at will for going 0-forever when it counts? Or shane getting a tech over a foul call when it was obvious we were getting mumped from the get go but our coach just tries to find out what flavor chicken nuggets is on the roof of his mouth?
Honest fanning I'm confused, have we not always been a fan base that praises/scrutinizes when it's rough ridin' blatant ?
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Dude Runs Laps Around Frank, But We Have A Fanbase Waiting For Him To Lose. rough ridin' Woof!
damnit wacky can you take this crap to one of the other three million oscar threads, you're the only person talking about him here, jesus christ guy
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Did oscar Make These Guys Miss Shot? :dunno:
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Did oscar Make These Guys Miss Shot? :dunno:
cant miss the shot if he isn't in, how are you sticking up for will or oscar for that matter right now
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Dude Runs Laps Around Frank, But We Have A Fanbase Waiting For Him To Lose. rough ridin' Woof!
Good God, FanMan.
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eff you William Spradling!
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Did oscar Make These Guys Miss Shot? :dunno:
Don't know why they missed so many shots, but this thread is about the fact they did. Miss a lot of shots when it really mattered.
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Senior Night: 1-2 3pts
Big XII Tourn: 0-6 3pts
NCAA Tourn: 1-8 3 pts
What is the antonym of clutch?
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The thing is these last three games have been a preview of what this team will be like without him. :o
Carefully what you wish for.
:confused: didn't he average like 30 mpg the last three games
If he didn't hit jump shots, no one besides Foster was going to. None of the new guys are going to. It's hard to see how we improve offensively next year.
so you're saying that someone is going to regularly have the three game stretch that Will just had? He played lots and had very negative impacts, that isn't the same as him not playing
Yes, I am saying it is likely that the guys replacing Will's minutes next year will have stretches about this bad, without the Sleeveless Will upside games.
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
Good post.
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I love the "oscar didn't take the shots" talking point when right after the oscar hire the biggest pro-oscar talking point was "He's going to teach them how to shoot correctly and be better shooters".
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Hopefully He Can You Retards Upside The Head That We Had No Reason Being There
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Hopefully He Can You Retards Upside The Head That We Had No Reason Being There
I hope whoever you're paking with tonight beats the crap out of you for continually using the word "Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!)" so flippantly.
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Hopefully He Can You Retards Upside The Head That We Had No Reason Being There
What's with the capitalization and nonsensical sentence structure fanman? :cheers:
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Hopefully He Can You Retards Upside The Head That We Had No Reason Being There
This sentence makes no sense. Keep posting tho
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
I'll disagree here. Let's give all of Will's minutes to Nigel. IMO Nigel is a better defender, I'd hope that's everyone's O. Nigel isn't as steady with the ball as Will, but this team didn't need that, we needed another scoring threat. Will had 2 or 3 conference games this season, in like a 10 day span, where he was a legit scoring threat. Nigel proved against ISU they he's capable of the same thing.
Nic, you and _FAN are good dudes and I understand the need to stand up for a cat, but there is a very good chance that if Nigel got Will's minutes at the start of conference play on her would have contributed much better than Will did. Nigel certainly wouldn't have been worse. I'd trade the increase in turnovers and decrease in assists for a better defender, dynamic ball handler, and a more potent shooter
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Goodbye Will. You represent the split between Frank and now oscar. You are believed to be part of the reason Frank left. Not sure if that is true but I suspect there is some truth to it.
If you had hit the open shots you had tonight we might have won. You were a great player for Kstate at times. Thank you for that.
Regardless, I will not shed a tear about your last game. I wish you the best but I also hope you and Shannon never touch our basketball program again and forever.
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
I'll disagree here. Let's give all of Will's minutes to Nigel. IMO Nigel is a better defender, I'd hope that's everyone's O. Nigel isn't as steady with the ball as Will, but this team didn't need that, we needed another scoring threat. Will had 2 or 3 conference games this season, in like a 10 day span, where he was a legit scoring threat. Nigel proved against ISU they he's capable of the same thing.
Nic, you and _FAN are good dudes and I understand the need to stand up for a cat, but there is a very good chance that if Nigel got Will's minutes at the start of conference play on her would have contributed much better than Will did. Nigel certainly wouldn't have been worse. I'd trade the increase in turnovers and decrease in assists for a better defender, dynamic ball handler, and a more potent shooter
I just wish Nigel played more because there isn't another point guard walking through that door, and it appears, for the most part, it's who oscar will probably go with next year at the point.
Honestly, if Edwards is the slasher I (we all?) think he is, I feel okay with a Johnson/Foster/Edwards perimeter trio. But I just wish Nigel got at least Westicles minutes if he's our guy going forward.
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Happy day, friends of emaw!
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
I'll disagree here. Let's give all of Will's minutes to Nigel. IMO Nigel is a better defender, I'd hope that's everyone's O. Nigel isn't as steady with the ball as Will, but this team didn't need that, we needed another scoring threat. Will had 2 or 3 conference games this season, in like a 10 day span, where he was a legit scoring threat. Nigel proved against ISU they he's capable of the same thing.
Nic, you and _FAN are good dudes and I understand the need to stand up for a cat, but there is a very good chance that if Nigel got Will's minutes at the start of conference play on her would have contributed much better than Will did. Nigel certainly wouldn't have been worse. I'd trade the increase in turnovers and decrease in assists for a better defender, dynamic ball handler, and a more potent shooter
I just wish Nigel played more because there isn't another point guard walking through that door, and it appears, for the most part, it's who oscar will probably go with next year at the point.
Honestly, if Edwards is the slasher I (we all?) think he is, I feel okay with a Johnson/Foster/Edwards perimeter trio. But I just wish Nigel got at least Westicles minutes if he's our guy going forward.
IMO, the biggest mistake from the staff was putting so much trust in Jevon even though he didn't even practice. Nigel had some nice games in the OOC, but once Jevon came on board Nigel's role was greatly reduced. It wasn't until it was clear Jevon was struggling that the staff started playing Nigel more. If anything in hindsight playing Nigel more and bringing Jevon along more slowly night have been the better decision for both players.
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One thing to be considered is that Jevon was getting a lot of the minutes that might have gone to Nigel during the middle portion of the season. Nigel was averaging around 20 minutes a game when Jevon came on vs Tulane. Jevon performed pretty well early on and Nigel struggled to find minutes/ probably trie to do too much in his limited minutes. He didn't play for three straight games. Once Jevon's struggles started to mount then Nigel began to get his minutes back.
A lot of people ragged on Nigel throughout the season, and I agree that the team would have benefited from more Nigel minutes both this season and w/ experience for the future. I don't think this has a lot to do with Spradling. We've all seen Will's deficiencies, but it's hard for me to argue with two head coaches with two different philosophies that both saw the need to play Will long minutes.
Nigel's going to be a good guard for K-State. If Jevon can figure his shot out he will too.
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
I'll disagree here. Let's give all of Will's minutes to Nigel. IMO Nigel is a better defender, I'd hope that's everyone's O. Nigel isn't as steady with the ball as Will, but this team didn't need that, we needed another scoring threat. Will had 2 or 3 conference games this season, in like a 10 day span, where he was a legit scoring threat. Nigel proved against ISU they he's capable of the same thing.
Nic, you and _FAN are good dudes and I understand the need to stand up for a cat, but there is a very good chance that if Nigel got Will's minutes at the start of conference play on her would have contributed much better than Will did. Nigel certainly wouldn't have been worse. I'd trade the increase in turnovers and decrease in assists for a better defender, dynamic ball handler, and a more potent shooter
I just wish Nigel played more because there isn't another point guard walking through that door, and it appears, for the most part, it's who oscar will probably go with next year at the point.
Honestly, if Edwards is the slasher I (we all?) think he is, I feel okay with a Johnson/Foster/Edwards perimeter trio. But I just wish Nigel got at least Westicles minutes if he's our guy going forward.
IMO, the biggest mistake from the staff was putting so much trust in Jevon even though he didn't even practice. Nigel had some nice games in the OOC, but once Jevon came on board Nigel's role was greatly reduced. It wasn't until it was clear Jevon was struggling that the staff started playing Nigel more. If anything in hindsight playing Nigel more and bringing Jevon along more slowly night have been the better decision for both players.
In hindsight, I think the best course of action would have been to let Jevon redshirt (a la Jamar) and let Nigel get those minutes. But, had we done that, would we have gotten that win over GW? I don't know.
But that may be an extreme opinion. I don't like having both Nigel and Jevon in the same class, and as the year wore on, it seems like rushing Thomas into the fold was a panic move because we weren't getting any production from the PG position. Panic may be a strong word, but I think they went into the season with all of their eggs in that basket, went forward with that plan, and pushed him too fast.
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
I'll disagree here. Let's give all of Will's minutes to Nigel. IMO Nigel is a better defender, I'd hope that's everyone's O. Nigel isn't as steady with the ball as Will, but this team didn't need that, we needed another scoring threat. Will had 2 or 3 conference games this season, in like a 10 day span, where he was a legit scoring threat. Nigel proved against ISU they he's capable of the same thing.
Nic, you and _FAN are good dudes and I understand the need to stand up for a cat, but there is a very good chance that if Nigel got Will's minutes at the start of conference play on her would have contributed much better than Will did. Nigel certainly wouldn't have been worse. I'd trade the increase in turnovers and decrease in assists for a better defender, dynamic ball handler, and a more potent shooter
I just wish Nigel played more because there isn't another point guard walking through that door, and it appears, for the most part, it's who oscar will probably go with next year at the point.
Honestly, if Edwards is the slasher I (we all?) think he is, I feel okay with a Johnson/Foster/Edwards perimeter trio. But I just wish Nigel got at least Westicles minutes if he's our guy going forward.
IMO, the biggest mistake from the staff was putting so much trust in Jevon even though he didn't even practice. Nigel had some nice games in the OOC, but once Jevon came on board Nigel's role was greatly reduced. It wasn't until it was clear Jevon was struggling that the staff started playing Nigel more. If anything in hindsight playing Nigel more and bringing Jevon along more slowly night have been the better decision for both players.
You must have posted this when I was typing, but YES. I agree with everything here.
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will has been a pimple on ksu's ass for far too long. bout time we popped him outta here
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One thing to be considered is that Jevon was getting a lot of the minutes that might have gone to Nigel during the middle portion of the season. Nigel was averaging around 20 minutes a game when Jevon came on vs Tulane. Jevon performed pretty well early on and Nigel struggled to find minutes/ probably trie to do too much in his limited minutes. He didn't play for three straight games. Once Jevon's struggles started to mount then Nigel began to get his minutes back.
A lot of people ragged on Nigel throughout the season, and I agree that the team would have benefited from more Nigel minutes both this season and w/ experience for the future. I don't think this has a lot to do with Spradling. We've all seen Will's deficiencies, but it's hard for me to argue with two head coaches with two different philosophies that both saw the need to play Will long minutes.
Nigel's going to be a good guard for K-State. If Jevon can figure his shot out he will too.
Frank felt like he didn't have a better option, his fault. oscar was sitting Will at crunch time of games late in the season, he clearly felt he had an equal or better choice. I honestly feel that oscar didn't bench him because he didn't want to do that to a senior 3 year starter.
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
Good post.
I'm more with these guys than the Will haters....and I already stated how his last home and tourney gms were garbage.
from OU at home to okst on road...14 gms worth...Will shot 42% 3pt, 61% 2pt, 82%FT and had a 2.5 ast/to ratio. Maybe its just me but I will take a guy who hits over 60% eFG and doesn't turn it over much. But like it was mentioned.... Will wasn't always that guy we saw for 7 weeks in conf season...and when he was cold as ice, it really cost a team who was already offensively challenged
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I was going to quote a post that I agreed with, but then I read the next post and thought it was good, and the post after that was just as good, maybe great, and those posts just continued for all of page 3. This board is just as fun when everyone has great talking points as it is when we trolled Arkansas. I hope we can do it more (this is a completely booze free posts, in case you were wondering).
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In the end, Sprads was a guy who played a ton of minutes for 2 different average basketball coaches. If he'd gone to a school with better coaches and athletes then he probably would have averaged less than 10 minutes per game. If he'd gone to a school with worse coaches/players, then he'd have played just as much but he'd be someone else's problem.
Will Spradling's career mimicked the K-state program while he was here:Kinda successful-ish at times despite failing the eyeball test.
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Hopefully He Can You Retards Upside The Head That We Had No Reason Being There
What's with the capitalization and nonsensical sentence structure fanman? :cheers:
My Phone Turned Chinese Last Night During The Pak. It Does It Automatically Now. I Still Hate All Of You Tho. :cheers:
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Shut the eff up, fanning.
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Shut the eff up, fanning.
Fist Yourself!
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Go to gopo where you belong
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Go to gopo where you belong
Go Mudding You Herp A Derp, Oklahoman.
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The only way Will can be deemed successful is because of dumbed down expectations. I challenge anyone to find another player anywhere that logged as many minutes over a four year career but had such pedestrian numbers.
We've spent four seasons explaining this away with "the coaches see something," it's the Will Spradling version of "you think you know more than LHCBS."
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Senior Night: 1-2 3pts
Big XII Tourn: 0-6 3pts
NCAA Tourn: 1-8 3 pts
What is the antonym of clutch?
I'm wondering if stats like these bother him? I wonder if last night he slept in a curled up ball weeping or was asleep as soon as the acne hit the pillow? Sadly I think we all know the answer to this. :zzz: (ftp://:zzz:)
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Senior Night: 1-2 3pts
Big XII Tourn: 0-6 3pts
NCAA Tourn: 1-8 3 pts
If it weren't for one three pointer from the corner in OT against KU, I'd say that these stats are very damning and indicate a choker.
But, since he made that shot, I will not hate him, and instead will merely ignore his existence.
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The only way Will can be deemed successful is because of dumbed down expectations. I challenge anyone to find another player anywhere that logged as many minutes over a four year career but had such pedestrian numbers.
We've spent four seasons explaining this away with "the coaches see something," it's the Will Spradling version of "you think you know more than LHCBS."
I'm sure there's someone out there but not worth the time to look up. He was mediocre at best and I'm glad he's gone. Most frusturating player ever to watch.
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I think if Will would have played in the MVC (probably where he belonged) his stats would have ended up very similar to Jake Odum of Indiana St.
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I will remember Will in a similar light as I do Carson Coffman, but without the fun stuff on the side.
Just a kid who won over his coaches doing things "the right way", but someone the fans could never understand why he played so much.
And that's all I really have to say about Will.
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Will had probably an above average freshman year and then he just never improved. Frank's fault for not recruiting over him. oscar's fault for not making the decision to develop talent that will be here for awhile rather than let a mediocre player get his minutes. Especially when you can usually determine what type of game Will is going to have in the first 5 or so minutes.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/player/kansas-state/will-spradling
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Spradling's last three games were bad, especially with regard to shooting the ball. K-State would have been less successful without Spradling on the team this both this season and last. I wish he would have performed better these last three games, both from a team/ record standpoint and for him personally.
This presumes Will just vanishes 2 years ago and nothing else changes.
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I will remember Will in a similar light as I do Carson Coffman, but without the fun stuff on the side.
Just a kid who won over his coaches doing things "the right way", but someone the fans could never understand why he played so much.
And that's all I really have to say about Will.
No, it isn't. But I understand now why you won't.
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I think if Will would have played in the MVC (probably where he belonged) his stats would have ended up very similar to Jake Odum of Indiana St.
are you out of your mind, I wish more people knew who Jake Odum was so they could appreciate how horrible this analogy iso
oh here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SHFHJD_Zc
seriously that bald center from Creighton last year, Greg Echnique, is a better comparison
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http://www.kansas.com/2014/03/22/3360747/kentucky-makes-life-difficult.html
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I think if Will would have played in the MVC (probably where he belonged) his stats would have ended up very similar to Jake Odum of Indiana St.
are you out of your mind, I wish more people knew who Jake Odum was so they could appreciate how horrible this analogy iso
oh here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SHFHJD_Zc
seriously that bald center from Creighton last year, Greg Echnique, is a better comparison
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=will-spradling&p1=jake-odum
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I don't know of a single person that doesn't think will's career was disappointing. This doesn't mean he was horrible either.
Bye will
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I think if Will would have played in the MVC (probably where he belonged) his stats would have ended up very similar to Jake Odum of Indiana St.
are you out of your mind, I wish more people knew who Jake Odum was so they could appreciate how horrible this analogy iso
oh here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SHFHJD_Zc
seriously that bald center from Creighton last year, Greg Echnique, is a better comparison
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=will-spradling&p1=jake-odum
One is a slasher who racks up points, free throws, assists and turnovers; the other parks himself outside of the arc and never turns the ball over. They're both white guards though.
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I don't know of a single person that doesn't think will's career was disappointing. This doesn't mean he was horrible either.
Bye will
Yeah this sums it up. It was Will's flashes of potential that produced the expectations and ultimately the frustration.
Will's most impressive and enduring stat will be the number of games he started...
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The only way Will can be deemed successful is because of dumbed down expectations. I challenge anyone to find another player anywhere that logged as many minutes over a four year career but had such pedestrian numbers.
We've spent four seasons explaining this away with "the coaches see something," it's the Will Spradling version of "you think you know more than LHCBS."
If Will was black you'd be defending the crap out of him, you stupid rough ridin' ignorant bigot.
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I think if Will would have played in the MVC (probably where he belonged) his stats would have ended up very similar to Jake Odum of Indiana St.
are you out of your mind, I wish more people knew who Jake Odum was so they could appreciate how horrible this analogy iso
oh here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SHFHJD_Zc
seriously that bald center from Creighton last year, Greg Echnique, is a better comparison
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=will-spradling&p1=jake-odum
One is a slasher who racks up points, free throws, assists and turnovers; the other parks himself outside of the arc and never turns the ball over. They're both white guards though.
I said similar stats, not similar players. Odum is/was far better than Will as a PG, but Will is a little better outside shooter. If will played 2 games every year against Evansville, Bradley, S. Illinois, etc. and was the key guy on his team every year the overall numbers would probably have been somewhat similar.
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I had no idea that Will sounds like a 9 year old boy. Makes it even better.
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I think if Will would have played in the MVC (probably where he belonged) his stats would have ended up very similar to Jake Odum of Indiana St.
are you out of your mind, I wish more people knew who Jake Odum was so they could appreciate how horrible this analogy iso
oh here you go
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k0SHFHJD_Zc
seriously that bald center from Creighton last year, Greg Echnique, is a better comparison
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=will-spradling&p1=jake-odum
One is a slasher who racks up points, free throws, assists and turnovers; the other parks himself outside of the arc and never turns the ball over. They're both white guards though.
I said similar stats, not similar players. Odum is/was far better than Will as a PG, but Will is a little better outside shooter. If will played 2 games every year against Evansville, Bradley, S. Illinois, etc. and was the key guy on his team every year the overall numbers would probably have been somewhat similar.
I just don't think Will has it in him to be forceful enough to average 13 & 4.5. Odum makes things happen, Will isn't that dude. Also the level of the valley isn't low enough for Will to essentially double his output. We play half of our schedule against valley type competition, or worse.
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What does Will do with the next chapter of his life? He is a "business administration major with a management option." Not sure exactly what a management option is, but that's his educational back ground. Where does this aspiring young biz major from KSU end up? :dunno:
Does he have the grades for a nice little Koch Industries finance job? If those grades are good, and his lovely wife allows it, he might catch on with PWC, Delloite, or Grant Thornton's business consulting divisions and do some traveling.
If he has dece grades, maybe that "management program" they have over at Collective Brands in Topeka? Maybe catch on with Seaboard's foods division and learns the ins and outs of the hog markets? Maybe working in the B2B sales division for Sprint?
Or maybe the grades weren't the very best...does he go the Enterprise Rental Car route? Get a nice little territory with Frito Lay and move some snack foods. Or, maybe inside sales for Hallmark, pushing the next season's goods to Crown stores?
Where does this rascal end up?
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I'm pretty sure he's indicated he wants to play pro ball.
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I'm pretty sure he's indicated he wants to play pro ball.
Huh, well I'll be.
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Some people don't seem to understand the value of a CBA degree.
:ksugrad:
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With that voice, nobody will take him seriously in the biz world
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Shut the eff up, fanning.
Fist Yourself!
:lol:
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What does Will do with the next chapter of his life? He is a "business administration major with a management option." Not sure exactly what a management option is, but that's his educational back ground. Where does this aspiring young biz major from KSU end up? :dunno:
Does he have the grades for a nice little Koch Industries finance job? If those grades are good, and his lovely wife allows it, he might catch on with PWC, Delloite, or Grant Thornton's business consulting divisions and do some traveling.
If he has dece grades, maybe that "management program" they have over at Collective Brands in Topeka? Maybe catch on with Seaboard's foods division and learns the ins and outs of the hog markets? Maybe working in the B2B sales division for Sprint?
Or maybe the grades weren't the very best...does he go the Enterprise Rental Car route? Get a nice little territory with Frito Lay and move some snack foods. Or, maybe inside sales for Hallmark, pushing the next season's goods to Crown stores?
Where does this rascal end up?
my early favorite for post of the year.
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I will remember Will in a similar light as I do Carson Coffman, but without the fun stuff on the side.
Just a kid who won over his coaches doing things "the right way", but someone the fans could never understand why he played so much.
And that's all I really have to say about Will.
No, it isn't. But I understand now why you won't.
Why say what everyone else already did?
He had a couple of nice stretches during the last two conference seasons where he was a big part of winning games, but he was a no show outside of that many times, and he was limited to what he could do because of his athleticism (or lack thereof). The whole drive/fall/kick play last night kind of summed a lot of it up.
I was never a big fan of his, but I'll acknowledge that he helped us out in several games. I feel exactly like I did when Carson left, and that's, "Well, at least the coaches won't be tempted to play him any more."
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What does Will do with the next chapter of his life? He is a "business administration major with a management option." Not sure exactly what a management option is, but that's his educational back ground. Where does this aspiring young biz major from KSU end up? :dunno:
Does he have the grades for a nice little Koch Industries finance job? If those grades are good, and his lovely wife allows it, he might catch on with PWC, Delloite, or Grant Thornton's business consulting divisions and do some traveling.
If he has dece grades, maybe that "management program" they have over at Collective Brands in Topeka? Maybe catch on with Seaboard's foods division and learns the ins and outs of the hog markets? Maybe working in the B2B sales division for Sprint?
Or maybe the grades weren't the very best...does he go the Enterprise Rental Car route? Get a nice little territory with Frito Lay and move some snack foods. Or, maybe inside sales for Hallmark, pushing the next season's goods to Crown stores?
Where does this rascal end up?
a young lady posed this question to me last night in the waning minutes of the game. i didn't have a good answer :frown:
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I will remember Will in a similar light as I do Carson Coffman, but without the fun stuff on the side.
Just a kid who won over his coaches doing things "the right way", but someone the fans could never understand why he played so much.
And that's all I really have to say about Will.
No, it isn't. But I understand now why you won't.
Why say what everyone else already did?
He had a couple of nice stretches during the last two conference seasons where he was a big part of winning games, but he was a no show outside of that many times, and he was limited to what he could do because of his athleticism (or lack thereof). The whole drive/fall/kick play last night kind of summed a lot of it up.
I was never a big fan of his, but I'll acknowledge that he helped us out in several games. I feel exactly like I did when Carson left, and that's, "Well, at least the coaches won't be tempted to play him any more."
I hadn't thought of this comparison, but the more you explain it, the more I like it. The difference is Will playing above average and thus building up the unmet expectations; however, their senior years are comparable.
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Maybe Shannon can get Will a spot on The Bachelor.
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I got excited when Shane said he wanted to play pro for a bit with the intent of coaching. He would be a great recruiter.
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oscar subbing Will offense for defense at then end of the game was hilarious.
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Also, working with Clent at conoco-Phillips(?) in Tulsa would probably be appropriate.
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It seemed like no other player in Kstate history got more open looks than Will Spradling. More times than not it was Will Clankling.
If FP/TC Angel wasn't a total little baby, momma's boy we wouldn't likely be having this convo.
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It seemed like no other player in Kstate history got more open looks than Will Spradling. More times than not it was Will Clankling.
If FP/TC Angel wasn't a total little baby, momma's boy we wouldn't likely be having this convo.
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Lol
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It seemed like no other player in Kstate history got more open looks than Will Spradling. More times than not it was Will Clankling.
If FP/TC Angel wasn't a total little baby, momma's boy we wouldn't likely be having this convo.
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:confused: was Angel his shot coach?
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Angel did more with his career here in half the time
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It seemed like no other player in Kstate history got more open looks than Will Spradling. More times than not it was Will Clankling.
Will's overall percentage was ok. Not good, but not terrible. More times than not, he refused to take the open looks, would swing the ball, as we'd end up taking a much worse shot as a result.
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Angel did more with his career here in half the time
he also quit our team
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It seemed like no other player in Kstate history got more open looks than Will Spradling. More times than not it was Will Clankling.
Will's overall percentage was ok. Not good, but not terrible. More times than not, he refused to take the open looks, would swing the ball, as we'd end up taking a much worse shot as a result.
it was terrible for what his role should have been, he shot a whole 4 percentage points better over his career than Jamar & Jamar shot 14% his senior year
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It seemed like no other player in Kstate history got more open looks than Will Spradling. More times than not it was Will Clankling.
Will's overall percentage was ok. Not good, but not terrible. More times than not, he refused to take the open looks, would swing the ball, as we'd end up taking a much worse shot as a result.
it was terrible for what his role should have been, he shot a whole 4 percentage points better over his career than Jamar & Jamar shot 14% his senior year
Agreed. For as little as he brought to the table, he should have been much closer to 40% from 3 than 30%.
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Career NCAA Tournament scoring
Clankling-25
Frankamp-16
:lol: