oh……my……god
Those who complain about Thomas show their low bball iq. Yes, we get it: he can't shoot very well right now. He does other things, though, that nobody else on the team can, like lead fast break, penetrate defense, and make dribblers very uncomfortable. He has off the charts potential. oscar will get his shot improved. Lay off the kid.
I love JT and he had a good game today. GTFOOH h8ers
Balbay was a waaaaaaaaay better shooter than Jevon.And still had fewer attempts per possession. That concludes my presentation. Appreciate your assistance.
Why doesn't oscar just give him a red light? He's such a contributor he would be an asset even if his mindset was to never, ever look at the rim (similar to his approach to layups). Like a hyperactive, more adorable Balbay 2.0.
The funniest part of last night was after JT completely missed the front end of two free throws and the crowd was silent. Then he hit the second one and the crowd and bench erupted like it was a game winning shot. I think JT is aware that he needs to improve and has his team supporting his progress.
well I know everyone loves him but he is just a historically bad shooter. As in like we've never had a player shoot this bad ever.
well I know everyone loves him but he is just a historically bad shooter. As in like we've never had a player shoot this bad ever.
Honestly, its almost reached the point where its so bad it has to be an anomoly. I mean, he can't be a 31% FT shooter. Or 26% on 2s. Its ridiculous.
The only real problem I had last night was when he penetrated along the right side of the lane and got ripped from behind, that's a high school level mistake that he just can't make. He gets caught in situations like that once in a while.
There is no doubt that his speed/quickness can and does impact games, its just all that he brings right now.
well I know everyone loves him but he is just a historically bad shooter. As in like we've never had a player shoot this bad ever.
Honestly, its almost reached the point where its so bad it has to be an anomoly. I mean, he can't be a 31% FT shooter. Or 26% on 2s. Its ridiculous.
The only real problem I had last night was when he penetrated along the right side of the lane and got ripped from behind, that's a high school level mistake that he just can't make. He gets caught in situations like that once in a while.
There is no doubt that his speed/quickness can and does impact games, its just all that he brings right now.
When you get a moment. . .I'd be curious how his statistics compare nationally and historically. I remember hearing that JT had a lot of games in high school where he was scoring upwards of 20 points. I'm confident his shooting will improve. I'm just curious if he comes out firing next year, will it be a historic improvement? Put that on a t-shirt.
I love JT and he had a good game today. GTFOOH h8ers
He's a stud.
Isnt' scottwildcat adorbs?I love JT and he had a good game today. GTFOOH h8ers
He's a stud.
two of my favorite posters are spot on here. :thumbsup:
i like jevon, but i am glad that his shooting clownshow may prevent nigel from transferring
i like jevon, but i am glad that his shooting clownshow may prevent nigel from transferring
I still don't get this. I'd rather have either Nigel or Jevon transfer and see how thos new SG does and let Foster have some time running the point.
i like jevon, but i am glad that his shooting clownshow may prevent nigel from transferring
I still don't get this. I'd rather have either Nigel or Jevon transfer and see how thos new SG does and let Foster have some time running the point.
cannot wait to bump all this anti-JT threads in two years as Jevon is just clown suiting fools on the bball court.
i like jevon, but i am glad that his shooting clownshow may prevent nigel from transferring
I still don't get this. I'd rather have either Nigel or Jevon transfer and see how thos new SG does and let Foster have some time running the point.
What has MF shown that makes you think he can play PG? His ball handling needs to improve dramatically.
i like jevon, but i am glad that his shooting clownshow may prevent nigel from transferring
I still don't get this. I'd rather have either Nigel or Jevon transfer and see how thos new SG does and let Foster have some time running the point.
What has MF shown that makes you think he can play PG? His ball handling needs to improve dramatically.
His TO Rate's better than both Jevon and Nigel (while admittedly dribbling across half court less), and he kind of plays as a "combo". I'm far more concerned with getting another offensive threat on the floor than Foster splitting time @PG. Are you like worried about his ability to dribble while calling out a play or something?
His TO Rate's better than both Jevon and Nigel (while admittedly dribbling across half court less), and he kind of plays as a "combo". I'm far more concerned with getting another offensive threat on the floor than Foster splitting time @PG. Are you like worried about his ability to dribble while calling out a play or something?
His TO Rate's better than both Jevon and Nigel (while admittedly dribbling across half court less), and he kind of plays as a "combo". I'm far more concerned with getting another offensive threat on the floor than Foster splitting time @PG. Are you like worried about his ability to dribble while calling out a play or something?
He is a "combo guard" who should never play more than 5 mpg at PG because his strength is playing off of the ball.
Jevon wasn't the worst shooter in KSU history,
Its amusing that this comment isn't hyperbolic at all.Jevon wasn't the worst shooter in KSU history,
Foster as PG is interesting, I wonder if oscar is considering it. oscar does seem like a "true PG" type of guy.
Honestly, its almost reached the point where its so bad it has to be an anomoly. I mean, he can't be a 31% FT shooter. Or 26% on 2s. Its ridiculous.
i don't think it'd help the team to play him at pg, but it'd be great for foster.
I think it would help if he was taking minutes away from Nigel or Jevon, but probably wouldn't help much if he was taking minutes away from an average PG.
I think it would help if he was taking minutes away from Nigel or Jevon, but probably wouldn't help much if he was taking minutes away from an average PG.
who are you making room for at the 2, 3 or small 4? it's not a question of replacing johnson/thomas minutes with foster minutes, foster is going to be on the court either way.
I think it would help if he was taking minutes away from Nigel or Jevon, but probably wouldn't help much if he was taking minutes away from an average PG.
who are you making room for at the 2, 3 or small 4? it's not a question of replacing johnson/thomas minutes with foster minutes, foster is going to be on the court either way.
Edwards probably isn't all that good.
I would think that Edwards will be about like this year omari.
Edwards or the other freshman (assuming they're decent). And I'd like either Nigel or Jevon to stick around, just not both.
Edwards or the other freshman (assuming they're decent). And I'd like either Nigel or Jevon to stick around, just not both.
what would make you think edwards/freshman (the thin shooter freshman, you mean?) would be better than johnson/thomas?
Edwards has shown he isn't the worst shooter of all time, for one.
lolEdwards or the other freshman (assuming they're decent). And I'd like either Nigel or Jevon to stick around, just not both.
what would make you think edwards/freshman (the thin shooter freshman, you mean?) would be better than johnson/thomas?
Edwards has shown he isn't the worst shooter of all time, for one.
Agree with sys. The only way Foster even stands a shot at the NBA is if he plays PG. He'd have to practice all offseason to even make that a remote possibility. But you still have Nigel and Jevon coming in, so only half his time would be spent there.
I've heard oscar isn't planning on playing Foster and Edwards at the same time, though. He likes the idea of always having one of them in the game at SG, so the other team can't take a break at any point during the game. So I doubt we see Foster at PG.
Edwards has shown he isn't the worst shooter of all time, for one.
not so far from it.
I think it would help if he was taking minutes away from Nigel or Jevon, but probably wouldn't help much if he was taking minutes away from an average PG.
who are you making room for at the 2, 3 or small 4? it's not a question of replacing johnson/thomas minutes with foster minutes, foster is going to be on the court either way.
Yeah, he's already playing 72% of the minutes as a FR. Also makes the Edwards comment above from Stevesie interesting, if Edwards is any good they will have to be on the floor at the same time.
Edwards' EFG has been 44.8 and 47.1. Jevon is currently at 26.2.
:sdeek:
Edwards' EFG has been 44.8 and 47.1. Jevon is currently at 26.2.
:sdeek:
so play johnson.
Edwards probably isn't all that good.
I would think that Edwards will be about like this year omari.
No
Edwards' EFG has been 44.8 and 47.1. Jevon is currently at 26.2.
:sdeek:
so play johnson.
he can't play 40 minutes a game. At least I pray to God in Heaven that he can't.
Edwards probably isn't all that good.
I would think that Edwards will be about like this year omari.
No
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=omari-lawrence&p1=2-justin-edwards
Edwards has shown he isn't the worst shooter of all time, for one.
not so far from it.
Edwards' EFG has been 44.8 and 47.1. Jevon is currently at 26.2.
:sdeek:
Edwards got those numbers using double the possessions.
Edwards got those numbers using double the possessions.
edwards has shot enough threes that it's pretty easy to conclude he's not a good shooter. with johnson, and especially thomas, the data are less numerous, and thus less convincing.
how many attempts are required to make a definite conclusion?
how many attempts are required to make a definite conclusion?
whatever the number is, it's more than 11.
Heard he has become a "deadeye."Edwards got those numbers using double the possessions.
edwards has shot enough threes that it's pretty easy to concludehe's notwasn't a good shooter. with johnson, and especially thomas, the data are less numerous, and thus less convincing.
Heard he has become a "deadeye."
Well, I'm guessing the number you have is more than 45 and less than 164, but I was hoping you'd be more specific so I can reasonably make conclusions about other players and compare.
Well, I'm guessing the number you have is more than 45 and less than 164, but I was hoping you'd be more specific so I can reasonably make conclusions about other players and compare.
for the level of certainty you are hinting at, i'd say well over 164. but you can be a lot more certain of 164 than of 46, and a lot more certain of 46 than of 11.
I think there's still a lot of volatility even at 164 attempts (and Shane supports this anecdotally).
I think there's still a lot of volatility even at 164 attempts (and Shane supports this anecdotally).
yeah, i agree. you just have to use the data that are available and try to discount your certainty appropriately. you could calculate how much more certain you should be of 164 attempts than 46 if you wanted to (no link, use google).
Foster is a shooting guard, plain and simple.
Edwards has shown he isn't the worst shooter of all time, for one.
not so far from it.
Edwards' EFG has been 44.8 and 47.1. Jevon is currently at 26.2.
:sdeek:
DeAndre Kane his soph/jr years at Marshall = 47.3% 2pt, 24.9% 3pt, and only 56.5% FT
Kane this year at Isu = 51.6% 2pt, 34.3% 3pt
Kane seems to have benefitted from being in a good offensive system. Why can't Edwards do better in a better offensive system
If there's one thing in this thread that's absolutely correct, it's that Marcus' best shot (probably only shot) at an NBA career is at point guard.
If there's one thing in this thread that's absolutely correct, it's that Marcus' best shot (probably only shot) at an NBA career is at point guard.
that isn't happening at all
Surprised no one has made a Gottlieb comparison yet, at least in regards to FT%. Doug was 45% for his career. He also only averaged only 5.2 ppg game, but his assist numbers were off the charts good.I brought Doug up in the other JT thread and I think it could be a very spot on comparision. Gottlieb was pretty bad as Soph and actually got worse as his career went on.
| Season School G FG FGA FG% 2P 2PA 2P% 3P 3PA 3P% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL 1997-98 Oklahoma State 29 55 133 .414 43 92 .467 12 41 .293 36 74 .486 60 201 41 1998-99 Oklahoma State 34 50 159 .314 35 97 .361 15 62 .242 32 72 .444 74 299 49 1999-00 Oklahoma State 34 77 188 .410 68 139 .489 9 49 .184 39 90 .433 86 293 53 Career Oklahoma State 97 182 480 .379 146 328 .445 36 152 .237 107 236 .453 220 793 143 |
I think there's still a lot of volatility even at 164 attempts (and Shane supports this anecdotally).
yeah, i agree. you just have to use the data that are available and try to discount your certainty appropriately. you could calculate how much more certain you should be of 164 attempts than 46 if you wanted to (no link, use google).
I've been googling for some time and this is ridiculously difficult w/o shitloads of data neatly organized.
This was interesting, though:
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/predicting_individual_3_point_production
I think there's still a lot of volatility even at 164 attempts (and Shane supports this anecdotally).
yeah, i agree. you just have to use the data that are available and try to discount your certainty appropriately. you could calculate how much more certain you should be of 164 attempts than 46 if you wanted to (no link, use google).
I've been googling for some time and this is ridiculously difficult w/o shitloads of data neatly organized.
This was interesting, though:
http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/predicting_individual_3_point_production
This is really cool. The blog post where Cannon introduced 3 Point Score (http://kenpom.com/blog/index.php/weblog/entry/introducing_3_point_score) as an alternative to just using 3PT% was particularly interesting and made some sense.
I plugged in this year's K-State players to his formula and it looks like this:
Name 3PT Score
Marcus Foster 1.041
Will Spradling 1.025
Shane Southwell 1.006
Westicles 1.005
Jack Karapetyan 1.000
Nino Williams 1.000
Thomas Gipson 1.000
D.J. Johnson 0.999
Nigel Johnson 0.996
Omari Lawrence 0.996
Jevon Thomas 0.995
Vulture 0.985
Shawn Meyer 0.972
Ryan Schultz 0.924
Drew Cannon wrote those while he was at Duke in school and he had an internship with Dave Telep at age 15. After he graduated, he was hired by Stevens at Butler and then went with him to the Celtics.
Edwards has shown he isn't the worst shooter of all time, for one.
not so far from it.
Edwards' EFG has been 44.8 and 47.1. Jevon is currently at 26.2.
:sdeek:
DeAndre Kane his soph/jr years at Marshall = 47.3% 2pt, 24.9% 3pt, and only 56.5% FT
Kane this year at Isu = 51.6% 2pt, 34.3% 3pt
Kane seems to have benefitted from being in a good offensive system. Why can't Edwards do better in a better offensive system
Kane scores a great deal of points by being physically imposing over the other point guards in the conference, he pulls other guards into the post and plays well with his back to the basket. Edwards won't have the luxury of mismatching the guys guarding him.
I'm not quite sure I understand what value "3PS" adds. Is it just shooting well and often?
Prior to playing at K-State, was the largest crowd Jevon ever played in front of in the 20's?
Prior to playing at K-State, was the largest crowd Jevon ever played in front of in the 20's?
wut
Prior to playing at K-State, was the largest crowd Jevon ever played in front of in the 20's?
wut
you've been oscar'd. gtfo of this website.
Prior to playing at K-State, was the largest crowd Jevon ever played in front of in the 20's?
wut
you've been oscar'd. gtfo of this website.
Nah.
Prior to playing at K-State, was the largest crowd Jevon ever played in front of in the 20's?
wut
you've been oscar'd. gtfo of this website.
Nah.
you've been oscar'd!
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
He is not good. He has no shot, can't make a lay up, and is slow on defense. Omari should get more playing time than him.
:lol:Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
He is not good. He has no shot, can't make a lay up, and is slow on defense. Omari should get more playing time than him.
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
He is not good. He has no shot, can't make a lay up, and is slow on defense. Omari should get more playing time than him.
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
He is not good. He has no shot, can't make a lay up, and is slow on defense. Omari should get more playing time than him.
you don't really think that
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
He is not good. He has no shot, can't make a lay up, and is slow on defense. Omari should get more playing time than him.
you don't really think that
apparently you aren't familiar with powercatpat's posting
Why is Westicles playing? He is terrible.
:flush:
He is not good. He has no shot, can't make a lay up, and is slow on defense. Omari should get more playing time than him.
It's frustrating because there's a lot to like....and hate.
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It's frustrating because there's a lot to like....and hate.
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are you talking about the posters here?
People post really dumb things in the heat of the moment during games. Man.
People post really dumb things in the heat of the moment during games. Man.
It's @PowercatPat.
People post really dumb things in the heat of the moment during games. Man.
It's @PowercatPat.
It's not just one poster in one thread or just during this game.
It's not just one poster in one thread or just during this game.
QuoteIt's not just one poster in one thread or just during this game.
It's going to be like this for the duration of Bruceketball.
QuoteIt's not just one poster in one thread or just during this game.
It's going to be like this for the duration of any sport on a message board anywhere.
QuoteIt's not just one poster in one thread or just during this game.
It's going to be like this for the duration of Bruceketball.
don't be a downgrade. people say stupid crap every day in every facet of life.
People post really dumb things in the heat of the moment during games. Man.
It's @PowercatPat.
It's not just one poster in one thread or just during this game.