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FootballScoop Staff ?@footballscoop 8m
New rules proposals…get rid of 15 yd penalty if targeting is overturned (good); force offenses to wait 10 seconds to snap ball (bad)
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that would be such a terrible rule
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would be horrible for basically everyone that enjoys football post 1990
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Awesome for us tho
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Awesome for us tho
Yes, should make it 30 seconds
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so if you complete a pass with 9 seconds and are trying to snap the ball to spike it you won't be able to with this new rule?
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Not unless you run short side option
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so if you complete a pass with 9 seconds and are trying to snap the ball to spike it you won't be able to with this new rule?
I assume it wouldn't apply in the last 2 minutes of the half and game
anyway, it likely won't pass because it's stupid
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Mark Schlabach ?@Mark_Schlabach 1h
Leach: "My suggestion is rather than spending a bunch of time coming up with a bunch of really stupid rules, spend that time coaching harder."
Mark Schlabach ?@Mark_Schlabach 1h
Mike Leach: "That’s really insulting that they are hiding behind player safety just because somebody wants an advantage. That’s crazy."
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I imagine we could come up with some really neat rules proposals.
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I imagine we could come up with some really neat rules proposals.
No more visors on the side line. Having no top to a hat could lead to possible over exposure from the sun. We need to think about not only our players, but our coaches health too.
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No more than 10 targets of any one receiver per game.
You can block in the back on kickoffs but not punt returns.
Lineman can move before the snap as long as they don't cross the line of scrimmage.
QB's have to personally attempt equal rushing plays as passing plays.
Karate kicks are acceptable tackles.
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It would be a dumb rule, if teams want to play fast, then let them.
The real issue is the officials. They get caught up in fast paced games and its even worse in the Big 12 since the league added an additional official to just spot the ball. If officials were consistent in the methods/procedures they use for spotting the ball and getting into possession before they allow play to restart this wouldn't be nearly as big of a deal. However, they get caught up and often times they look like they are just running around crazy and often end up in poor position to make calls, see plays, and allow for substitutions (like they are supposed to already).
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Will they waive it when Saban wants to run hurry up like he did in the bowl game?
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If it helps the Cats, I love the rule.
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10 seconds of game time? sounds like a great opportunity for waters to scream Omaha a few times before he throws it to lockett on the post route.
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the Baylor ISU game would have only been like 45-7 with this rule.
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If this rule goes into effect, it's unlikely that anyone will ever break the yards per game (614) Baylor put up last season, right _Fan?
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They get caught up in fast paced games and its even worse in the Big 12 since the league added an additional official to just spot the ball.
Two things:
1) Leagues can just add/subtract officials at their whim?
2) Adding an official to spot the ball somehow makes the problems of fast play even worse?
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If it helps the Cats, I love the rule.
yeah, lots of rubes missing this. this rule is great for us. :billdance:
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They should increase the play clock to like 80 seconds
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They get caught up in fast paced games and its even worse in the Big 12 since the league added an additional official to just spot the ball.
Two things:
1) Leagues can just add/subtract officials at their whim?
2) Adding an official to spot the ball somehow makes the problems of fast play even worse?
1) I guess so.
2) I think they got even more caught up in the speed of the game because of the extra official, plus it changed the placement of officials.
“The eighth official doesn’t impact us, because we’re going at the pace we chose to get at,” said Snyder, whose Wildcats don’t play a hurry-up style. “It impacts us defensively because … people are snapping the ball when officials have their backs turned to the ball trying to get out of the way.”
Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/10/31/4590017/big-12-still-adjusting-to-eighth.html#storylink=cpy
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The Big12 added an official last year with a NCAA experimental waiver. Not sure what's happening with in going forward. The extra official was originally Bill's idea for an extra man to watch for substitution infractions and signal to hold the snap until the defense can match substitute. From there into morphed into the extra official was just spotting the ball allowing other officials to watch substitutions. Bill was not pleased.
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The Big12 added an official last year with a NCAA experimental waiver. Not sure what's happening with in going forward. The extra official was originally Bill's idea for an extra man to watch for substitution infractions and signal to hold the snap until the defense can match substitute. From there into morphed into the extra official was just spotting the ball allowing other officials to watch substitutions. Bill was not pleased.
Yep, it turned out to work opposite that Bill thought. In Baylor and OSU games the officials just run around crazy trying to keep up. It gets ridiculous, I'm not saying they should intentionally slow the game down, but they have every right to pace the game in a way that the other officials can at least be in the correct position to make calls and allow for substitutions (which is also a rule), but most of the time that wasn't the case.
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Refs are part of the field. Game needs to ensure they are in place before snap just like down markers and other components of the field, imo.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
my guess is this happened earlier in the year and he caught it on tape and was just waiting for the correct time to use it.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
my guess is this happened earlier in the year and he caught it on tape and was just waiting for the correct time to use it.
I think he just anticipated it because they hadn't used Boykin as a punt returner before our game. But he (or other coaches) probably knew that they kept their regular defense on the field for a safe punt return, so when Boykin came out to return it is was easy to point out to the official.
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that was probably the most incredible thing ive ever seen. pure genius.
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yeah, you have to love his insane attention to detail. pretty amazing.
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Just changed my mind. I am in favor of this rule. #1Cat
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List of teams that this rule would hurt
Baylor :jerk:
Oregon :jerk:
Texas A&M :jerk:
Texas Tech :jerk: (except for Kliffy)
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Sorry, I can't find a eff to give about any of them
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List of teams that this rule would hurt
Baylor :jerk:
Oregon :jerk:
Texas A&M :jerk:
Texas Tech :jerk: (except for Kliffy)
more
Sorry, I can't find a eff to give about any of them
Okie St too :jerk:
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List of teams that this rule would hurt
Baylor :jerk:
Oregon :jerk:
Texas A&M :jerk:
Texas Tech :jerk: (except for Kliffy)
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Sorry, I can't find a eff to give about any of them
Okie St too :jerk:
Oh definitely, Mike Gundy :jerk::jerk::jerk::jerk::jerk:
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If they implement this rule, I intend to apply it retroactively. Thus, we beat Baylor in 2011 and obviously win the National title.
Pretty big call by the NCAA on whether to crown the Cats as 2012 champs
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If they implement this rule, I intend to apply it retroactively. Thus, we beat Baylor in 2011 and obviously win the National title.
Pretty big call by the NCAA on whether to crown the Cats as 2012 champs
We should AtM this thing, and just place the orders now for the numbers and lettering to be put up on the press box.
Man, National Champions 2012 is going to be a glorious unveiling.
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i'll always remember where i was when we won the 2012 national championship
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take the retroactive national title talk to its rightful place the Auburn thread
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Under current rules, the defense can sub whenever it wants, correct? For example, a team is marching down the field. A corner gets tired, he can step off the field and be replaced at any time, even if the offense doesn't sub, however the corner subbing in isn't guaranteed an opportunity to get in position or anything, yes?
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On average Baylor snapped the ball within 6 seconds of the start of each new play clock last season. With the 10 second rule in place I wonder how effective that no huddle offense will be. Is 10 seconds enough time for the defense to sniff out the play?
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Under current rules, the defense can sub whenever it wants, correct? For example, a team is marching down the field. A corner gets tired, he can step off the field and be replaced at any time, even if the offense doesn't sub, however the corner subbing in isn't guaranteed an opportunity to get in position or anything, yes?
I'm pretty sure they can't sub unless the offense does.
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Under current rules, the defense can sub whenever it wants, correct? For example, a team is marching down the field. A corner gets tired, he can step off the field and be replaced at any time, even if the offense doesn't sub, however the corner subbing in isn't guaranteed an opportunity to get in position or anything, yes?
I'm pretty sure they can't sub unless the offense does.
I think you can, but if the offense subs then you have a time frame in which you're allowed to sub. If you try to sub during a no huddle offense when they are not subbing themselves, you most likely won't be able to switch out personnel in time.
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Under current rules, the defense can sub whenever it wants, correct? For example, a team is marching down the field. A corner gets tired, he can step off the field and be replaced at any time, even if the offense doesn't sub, however the corner subbing in isn't guaranteed an opportunity to get in position or anything, yes?
I'm pretty sure they can't sub unless the offense does.
I think you can, but if the offense subs then you have a time frame in which you're allowed to sub. If you try to sub during a no huddle offense when they are not subbing themselves, you most likely won't be able to switch out personnel in time.
I think I agree with Stevsie:
With the change, defenses would be guaranteed 10 seconds to make a substitution, even if the offense does not change personnel. The way the rules currently stand, defenses only get a guaranteed chance to substitute if the offense subs first.
Read more: http://www.mcall.com/sports/mc-eagles-college-rule-change-0217-20140217,0,920845.story#ixzz2tc0TJmHj
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On average Baylor snapped the ball within 6 seconds of the start of each new play clock last season. With the 10 second rule in place I wonder how effective that no huddle offense will be. Is 10 seconds enough time for the defense to sniff out the play?
That's part of the benefit that Baylor is looking for, but they also want to maximize the number of total plays they run. If they have a material reduction in the number of plays, then it's likely they score fewer points over the course of season, if not also within individual games...at least I suspect that they think that way.
As a college football fan, I despise this proposed rule change. However, go cats, so eff yeah enact that rule. FTB.
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On average Baylor snapped the ball within 6 seconds of the start of each new play clock last season. With the 10 second rule in place I wonder how effective that no huddle offense will be. Is 10 seconds enough time for the defense to sniff out the play?
That's part of the benefit that Baylor is looking for, but they also want to maximize the number of total plays they run. If they have a material reduction in the number of plays, then it's likely they score fewer points over the course of season, if not also within individual games...at least I suspect that they think that way.
As a college football fan, I despise this proposed rule change. However, go cats, so eff yeah enact that rule. FTB.
They had better be very, very cautious with their play selection. If defenses start catching on and are successful at stopping that offense Baylor is screwed, because their defense is awful! Phil Bennett gets way too much credit IMO.
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On average Baylor snapped the ball within 6 seconds of the start of each new play clock last season. With the 10 second rule in place I wonder how effective that no huddle offense will be. Is 10 seconds enough time for the defense to sniff out the play?
That's part of the benefit that Baylor is looking for, but they also want to maximize the number of total plays they run. If they have a material reduction in the number of plays, then it's likely they score fewer points over the course of season, if not also within individual games...at least I suspect that they think that way.
As a college football fan, I despise this proposed rule change. However, go cats, so eff yeah enact that rule. FTB.
I mean yeah it would probably benefit us, but for the sport as a whole it's awful. eff legislating against innovation.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
Bill saw the flag and explained it to the ref at midfield or bill informed the official at midfield but another official caught it already? Because if it's the latter, still effing awesome attention to detail. Go Bill!
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On average Baylor snapped the ball within 6 seconds of the start of each new play clock last season. With the 10 second rule in place I wonder how effective that no huddle offense will be. Is 10 seconds enough time for the defense to sniff out the play?
That's part of the benefit that Baylor is looking for, but they also want to maximize the number of total plays they run. If they have a material reduction in the number of plays, then it's likely they score fewer points over the course of season, if not also within individual games...at least I suspect that they think that way.
As a college football fan, I despise this proposed rule change. However, go cats, so eff yeah enact that rule. FTB.
I'm not even completely sure this rule change benefits us. We lose games that we can't dominate TOP in. We couldn't even beat NDSU.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
Bill saw the flag and explained it to the ref at midfield or bill informed the official at midfield but another official caught it already? Because if it's the latter, still effing awesome attention to detail. Go Bill!
The ref looked a little lost out there, so Bill took the opportunity to work in some mentoring.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
There's no doubt in my mind that Bill noticed it before the ref said anything to him. You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sx9pzCxiCgk#t=5774
I think it's pretty cool that Bill noticed it independently of the ref saying it, and I think that's what other people are impressed with. It would not be any more impressive if none of the refs had noticed it. This is such a weird battle that you continue to fight.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
There's no doubt in my mind that Bill noticed it before the ref said anything to him. You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sx9pzCxiCgk#t=5774
I think it's pretty cool that Bill noticed it independently of the ref saying it, and I think that's what other people are impressed with. It would not be any more impressive if none of the refs had noticed it. This is such a weird battle that you continue to fight.
dude read better, I didn't say that Snyder didn't notice it independently, just that Bill didn't have to point it out to the refs like emo stated.
I will say that I don't think it is that "cool" that Snyder noticed that TCU's best offensive player was all of a sudden on the FG team, nor am I willing to give him the credit when it seems much more likely that a coach in the box saw Trevone Boykin playing special teams.
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
There's no doubt in my mind that Bill noticed it before the ref said anything to him. You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sx9pzCxiCgk#t=5774
I think it's pretty cool that Bill noticed it independently of the ref saying it, and I think that's what other people are impressed with. It would not be any more impressive if none of the refs had noticed it. This is such a weird battle that you continue to fight.
dude read better, I didn't say that Snyder didn't notice it independently, just that Bill didn't have to point it out to the refs like emo stated.
I will say that I don't think it is that "cool" that Snyder noticed that TCU's best offensive player was all of a sudden on the FG team, nor am I willing to give him the credit when it seems much more likely that a coach in the box saw Trevone Boykin playing special teams.
Dude, read better. I didn't say that you said Snyder didn't notice it independently. My point is this: You don't know who noticed it on our coaching staff. It's just as likely Snyder as it is a coach in the box. But why do you have to go out of your way to tell people that we shouldn't laugh about Snyder pointing it out because there's a chance that it might not have been him? It's fun to picture our detail oriented coach noticing stuff like that. Just seems like a weird battle for you to go out of your way to fight, which is what I was saying.
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Youre right Stevesie he's being a dork
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Why must we rustle our jimmies over this?
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The backpedaling begins. Now Calhoun wants evidence before a rule change occurs. Second paragraph is telling.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10478887/ncaa-football-rules-committee-troy-calhoun-backtracks-slowdown-proposal
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The backpedaling begins. Now Calhoun wants evidence before a rule change occurs. Second paragraph is telling.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10478887/ncaa-football-rules-committee-troy-calhoun-backtracks-slowdown-proposal
Eff'n Fly Boys! :angry: :bang: :excited:The backpedaling begins. Now Calhoun wants evidence before a rule change occurs. Second paragraph is telling.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10478887/ncaa-football-rules-committee-troy-calhoun-backtracks-slowdown-proposal
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This proposal had a snowballs chance in hell of passing anyways..
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Im guessing we might see an increase of guys on defense taking "injury dives" in order to slow down the clock?
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Im guessing we might see an increase of guys on defense taking "injury dives" in order to slow down the clock?
Guess we'll be seeing more of this:
http://blogs.militarytimes.com/afteraction/tag/dave-christensen/
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NCAA Rules Chairman Reverses Course on New Defensive Substitution Proposal
By Brian Leigh , Featured Columnist
Tony Ding/Associated Press
Feb 19, 2014
Less than a week after sounding confident about the NCAA's capacity to slow down uptempo offenses, Air Force head coach and NCAA Football Rules Committee chairman Troy Calhoun has seemingly had a change of heart.
According to David Ching of ESPN.com, Calhoun said rule changes would only occur if there was decisive proof that playing at a higher tempo increased the risk of player injury:
“The key is this: I think the only way that it can or it should become a rule is if it is indeed a safety concern. And that can't be something that's a speculation or a possibility. I think there's got to be something empirical there where you realize, "Yep, this truly is a health matter" in terms of not being able to get a defensive player off the field.”
This about-face comes six days after Calhoun's assertion that a change would be made "to enhance student-athlete safety by guaranteeing a small window for both teams to substitute," according to Ching.
In the interim, coaches throughout the nation have weighed in on the issue of slowing down uptempo offenses—even more than they had before. Prior to Calhoun's comments, this was already a complex and hot-button issue.
Now it's on fire.
One of if not the single most outspoken persons on this matter has been Auburn head coach Gus Malzahn, who, as an adherent of the uptempo offense, has a vested stake in keeping it alive and in its current form.
Per Ching, Malzahn said to reporters on Tuesday, "There's absolutely zero documented evidence that is hazardous on the pace of play, only opinions."
If hard evidence is indeed what's needed to outlaw uptempo offenses from college football, the rules committee will need to obtain some quickly.
Given Calhoun's most recent comments, it appears the committee is not in possession of any such tangible evidence to prove uptempo offense causes injuries. And in order to go into effect next season, the rule would need to be passed by the Playing Rules Oversight panel when it convenes on March 6.
Some of the changes Calhoun and the committee have discussed include adding an extra timeout, among several other things.
This offseason was dedicated as one where the only rule changes made would concern player safety, and to some people—Arkansas' Bret Bielema and Alabama's Nick Saban, for example—conventional logic dictates that uptempo offenses put players at risk.
But until that logic turns into cold, hard facts, Calhoun and the rest of the committee will be forced to keep the rule as is.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNPdi5hRLy8
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:lol:
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:drool:
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That is absolutely incredible
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i want our next coach to be into stuff like that so much :love:
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unbelievable :love: :drool:
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How much more awesome would that have been if the bad guys was more Sabanesque? Anybody with video editing skills that can make this happen?
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10556971/ncaa-committee-tables-planned-vote-10-second-rule-proposal (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10556971/ncaa-committee-tables-planned-vote-10-second-rule-proposal)
In a recent ESPN survey of all 128 FBS coaches, 73 percent (93 coaches) were opposed to the proposal and 19.5 percent (25 coaches) were in favor. Of the remaining 10 coaches, nine were undecided and one refused to participate.
Damnit, Bill.
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It got vetoed today, reportedly.
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10556971/ncaa-committee-tables-planned-vote-10-second-rule-proposal (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/10556971/ncaa-committee-tables-planned-vote-10-second-rule-proposal)
In a recent ESPN survey of all 128 FBS coaches, 73 percent (93 coaches) were opposed to the proposal and 19.5 percent (25 coaches) were in favor. Of the remaining 10 coaches, nine were undecided and one refused to participate.
Damnit, Bill.
He gave up surveys for Lent.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNPdi5hRLy8
If you, Mr. Reader, have skipped over this, now is your warning that you don't want to miss it.
"Any similarities to the movie SPEED are purely coincidental." LOL
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The funny part is that Bill was the one that had to point out when TCU had two #2's no the field.
Would be a great story if it were true. The official who threw the flag was on the opposite side of the field, literally farther away from LHC Bill Snyder as anyone else on the field. The television broadcast made it seem like he drew the flag but when he pointed it out to the official on that half of the field the flag was already thrown by another guy.
There's no doubt in my mind that Bill noticed it before the ref said anything to him. You can watch it here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=Sx9pzCxiCgk#t=5774
I think it's pretty cool that Bill noticed it independently of the ref saying it, and I think that's what other people are impressed with. It would not be any more impressive if none of the refs had noticed it. This is such a weird battle that you continue to fight.
dude read better, I didn't say that Snyder didn't notice it independently, just that Bill didn't have to point it out to the refs like emo stated.
I will say that I don't think it is that "cool" that Snyder noticed that TCU's best offensive player was all of a sudden on the FG team, nor am I willing to give him the credit when it seems much more likely that a coach in the box saw Trevone Boykin playing special teams.
Dude, read better. I didn't say that you said Snyder didn't notice it independently. My point is this: You don't know who noticed it on our coaching staff. It's just as likely Snyder as it is a coach in the box. But why do you have to go out of your way to tell people that we shouldn't laugh about Snyder pointing it out because there's a chance that it might not have been him? It's fun to picture our detail oriented coach noticing stuff like that. Just seems like a weird battle for you to go out of your way to fight, which is what I was saying.
Hey MIR, stop being such a goddamned sourpuss all the time.
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wtf :dunno:
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I think everybody should stop trying to be the police of how MIR feels about things all the time. He's a human being. He feels.
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I think everybody should stop trying to be the police of how MIR feels about things all the time. He's a human being. He feels.
You're not even a real person. I love MIR, btw.