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Title: Undersized Bigs
Post by: ManBearPig on February 01, 2014, 01:35:31 PM
Our bigs are terrible at finishing around the rim.   :flush:
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: sekpoke on February 01, 2014, 05:20:24 PM
wanna trade bigs with OSU?

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Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: chum1 on February 01, 2014, 05:23:04 PM
Gipson is awesome.  Would not trade.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: michigancat on February 01, 2014, 05:24:53 PM
Gipson is awesome.  Would not trade.

And he's really our only big
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: kso_FAN on February 01, 2014, 05:34:10 PM
Gip was pretty good today, and our ability to finish in the paint was the main reason we were in the game. In fact, I'd say oscar is doing an excellent job trying to make his offense work by scoring inside especially given our inconsistency in making jumpers and our continued frequent turnovers.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 01, 2014, 05:50:44 PM
We were 27-46 today on 2pt shots, and very few were jump shots from 12 feet and out

Gip went 10-18 against a team that at one point late in the 2nd half today was holding NBA draft pick 1 and 2 to 4-20 FGs
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: EMAWzified on February 01, 2014, 05:54:38 PM
Cats had 11 turnovers today. Really not that bad, but made some at very bad times.
Absence of a defensive inside enforcer is what hurts. When  someone like Staten beats his  primary defender, there's no shot blocker waiting for him.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: nicname on February 01, 2014, 06:05:30 PM
Yeah, we only have two bigs. Gip, who is pretty good, and DJamer who is DJamer. Our other guys (Nino) are just forced to do "big things" from time to time.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: dal9 on February 01, 2014, 06:22:44 PM
Gipson was a disaster in the first half, I'm sorry.  Much better in the second.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on February 01, 2014, 06:24:17 PM
Gip is our only big. He's going to get tired around the rim.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: EMAWzified on February 01, 2014, 06:57:58 PM
It's my hope we play Gip with Hurt next year. I have a feeling, Weber won't do that.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: michigancat on February 02, 2014, 09:51:56 AM
It's my hope we play Gip with Hurt next year.

Why?
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 02, 2014, 12:11:10 PM
Cats had 11 turnovers today. Really not that bad, but made some at very bad times.
Absence of a defensive inside enforcer is what hurts. When  someone like Staten beats his  primary defender, there's no shot blocker waiting for him.

WE actually had 14 TOs today (and WV 10).  Yeah, we had no answer for the high ball screen they kept doing.   Foster finally started trying to force Staten to go left because he is a blur going to the hole with his right.... but WV still was trying to screen so Staten could go right.   Hedging with Gip doesn't work most times with someone that quick, so Gip had to stay back and just wait for Foster or whoever to go around the screen. 

Jevon and Will really did not do a good job in taking away the right hand drive to the hole.   Sometimes you are overplaying the right side and he still is just gonna get past you.... but I thought the first 2/3 of the game we did a poor job.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: Jackstack99EMAW on February 02, 2014, 12:14:08 PM
It's my hope we play Gip with Hurt next year.

Why?
Bigger around the rim that way and better matchups sizewise for Gip who sometimes struggles defensively against bigger 5s.
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: sonofdaxjones on February 02, 2014, 12:36:53 PM
It's my hope we play Gip with Hurt next year.

Why?
Bigger around the rim that way and better matchups sizewise for Gip who sometimes struggles defensively against bigger 5s.

Hey, thanks for the insight Captain Obvious. 
Title: Re: Undersized Bigs
Post by: kso_FAN on February 02, 2014, 01:23:25 PM
Our eFG% defense has been really good considering we don't have a real rim protector. In just league games we hold opponents to 32.9% from 3 and league leading 44.3% on 2PT shots. Our block% on 2PT attempts is 10% as well, #4 in the league. Plus we are rebounding good enough to have a slight advantage in OR% which is the most important rebound stat to look at.

The real problem with this team on defense has little to do with the bigs; we've fallen from #2 in the league in TO% forced (21.6%) and #1 in steals (11.0%) to #8 in TOs forced (15.6%) and #10 in steals (6.2%). Granted, part of that could be our guards taking less chances because they know they don't have a rim protector behind them, but more than that I think its younger defenders like Foster, Thomas, and Westicles not being as solid in oscar's help defense scheme resulting in offenses being able to move the ball better. We haven't made up for it enough even with that excellent eFG% defense, especially since we turn it over on offense at a higher clip as well (17.3% last year, 18.1% this year).

A key to #bruceketball is winning the TO% battle and so far in league games we are -2.5% in TO% which is also a major contributor to these close conference road losses. We need to play at least even or gain a slight advantage the rest of Big 12 play to get to 10 or 11 wins.