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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: OrangeExpress on January 14, 2014, 04:19:31 PM
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Hi Wildcat fans! I'm a beaver fan, and Wildcat fan from afar.
With my Beaver program struggling the past two decades I always enjoy watching other programs progress to consistent tournaments and conference title races.
What I'm curious is what your guy's opinion is on why KState Hoops has been on the rise?
KState expenditures isn't high - 79th, behind most BCS teams. From 88-89 until Bob Huggins' arrival you finished .500 or below in conference and through 3 coaches have finished above .500 in every year since.
So I guess the obvious, is that credit can be given to Huggins. Its been awhile since Huggins' was hired, did he come to Kstate relatively cheap? He obviously had his history at Cincy. Were there and have there been any renovations or facility construction that have added to your program's stability? Did the mid 2000s lull in football help get all those season ticket holders when Huggins was hired or was the hire excitement enough? Did it just take commitment from the AD to make the big hire?
Anyways, thanks for any input. Good luck vs. Oklahoma tonight.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDqNgRbb-z4
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
Be nice, bread. We welcomed you in. I'm interested in this. Didn't we play Oregon state in the final four or something back in the day?
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
Be nice, bread. We welcomed you in. I'm interested in this. Didn't we play Oregon state in the final four or something back in the day?
WE BEAT THEIR ASSES, WACKY!
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:dubious:
but whatever
yes, it's all because of huggins. for many young cat fans football was all we knew so when we hired huggins it was like the newest, most awesome thing that could have ever happened. everyone knew basketball was going to be good when we hired him. we got him for pretty cheap (under 1 mil) because of his dirt, took (somewhat of a) gamble keeping martin when he left so we could keep the recruits we had coming in (beasley), the rest is history. gave us momentum to at least get decent players and frank was a pretty good coach.
we do have a new basketball facility that is awesome.
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Hi Wildcat fans! I'm a beaver fan, and Wildcat fan from afar.
With my Beaver program struggling the past two decades I always enjoy watching other programs progress to consistent tournaments and conference title races.
What I'm curious is what your guy's opinion is on why KState Hoops has been on the rise?
KState expenditures isn't high - 79th, behind most BCS teams. From 88-89 until Bob Huggins' arrival you finished .500 or below in conference and through 3 coaches have finished above .500 in every year since.
So I guess the obvious, is that credit can be given to Huggins. Its been awhile since Huggins' was hired, did he come to Kstate relatively cheap? He obviously had his history at Cincy. Were there and have there been any renovations or facility construction that have added to your program's stability? Did the mid 2000s lull in football help get all those season ticket holders when Huggins was hired or was the hire excitement enough? Did it just take commitment from the AD to make the big hire?
Anyways, thanks for any input. Good luck vs. Oklahoma tonight.
you guys have freaking trees on your court and you change your uniforms too often. you have to take yourselves seriously if you want others to do the same :th_twocents:
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
Be nice, bread. We welcomed you in. I'm interested in this. Didn't we play Oregon state in the final four or something back in the day?
WE BEAT THEIR ASSES, WACKY!
:thumbs:
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@orangeexpress
I have a friend named scott who lives in corvalis. Do you know him?
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:dubious:
but whatever
yes, it's all because of huggins. for many young cat fans football was all we knew so when we hired huggins it was like the newest, most awesome thing that could have ever happened. everyone knew basketball was going to be good when we hired him. we got him for pretty cheap (under 1 mil) because of his dirt, took (somewhat of a) gamble keeping martin when he left so we could keep the recruits we had coming in (beasley), the rest is history. gave us momentum to at least get decent players and frank was a pretty good coach.
we do have a new basketball facility that is awesome.
Ok thanks. Just curious, not unlike Or St's hiring of Erickson but that's not always the case or only reason in why a program turns around. Anyways, good luck on the season
I know several Scott's in Corvallis
Edit: didn't see image above. And yes, the Rolando shot was a dagger to the program. Though, it was another decade until we died as a program and we made the Elite8 the following year, that was the beginning and Ralph has said he never recovered from it.
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:dubious:
but whatever
yes, it's all because of huggins. for many young cat fans football was all we knew so when we hired huggins it was like the newest, most awesome thing that could have ever happened. everyone knew basketball was going to be good when we hired him. we got him for pretty cheap (under 1 mil) because of his dirt, took (somewhat of a) gamble keeping martin when he left so we could keep the recruits we had coming in (beasley), the rest is history. gave us momentum to at least get decent players and frank was a pretty good coach.
we do have a new basketball facility that is awesome.
Ok thanks. Just curious, not unlike Or St's hiring of Erickson but that's not always the case or only reason in why a program turns around. Anyways, good luck on the season
And this would be what the rest of you may be referring to:
http://www.ddy.com/catsmbb_photo_Rolando_Sports_Illustrated.jpg
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Remember when we whooped Oregon Jr.'s ass? :lol:
Nice logo change up there in Corn Valley bevis. Trying to copy UC-Eugene I guess.
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Just kidding, that was mean.
We're nice people at ksu, some say the nicest. thanks for stopping by! :D :thumbs:
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You're going to really enjoy being a cat fan, OE.
It's the best.
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Hi Wildcat fans! I'm a beaver fan, and Wildcat fan from afar.
With my Beaver program struggling the past two decades I always enjoy watching other programs progress to consistent tournaments and conference title races.
What I'm curious is what your guy's opinion is on why KState Hoops has been on the rise?
Bob absolutely pulled this program from the depths of mediocrity by bringing in better players - his sitting out a year to strengthen the relationship with Bill Walker (and OJ Mayo) with no NCAA restrictions helped as did hiring assistants like Dalonte Hill (Michael Beasley's, Rodney McGruder, Jamar Samuels and others AAU coach when they were kids) and Frank Martin (obvious So Fla connections brought in Denis Clemente and Angel Rodriquez and developed NYC connections brought in Curtis Kelly and Shane Southwell)
KState expenditures isn't high - 79th, behind most BCS teams. From 88-89 until Bob Huggins' arrival you finished .500 or below in conference and through 3 coaches have finished above .500 in every year since.
So I guess the obvious, is that credit can be given to Huggins. Its been awhile since Huggins' was hired, did he come to Kstate relatively cheap?
Bob came pretty cheap (about $1M per IIRC) but I believe the recruiting expenditures increased over 50% over the first 2 years or so. Also, KSU made Dalonte Hill the highest paid assistant in the country at $350k (eventually Hill made close $500k with bonuses i believe).
He obviously had his history at Cincy. Were there and have there been any renovations or facility construction that have added to your program's stability?
We added loge boxes at the top to the arena for 07-08 season and built a basketball training facility in 2012. I doubt any of it happens if hired our reported first choice, Greg McDermott. Season tickets sold out for Hug's season and most of Frank's season as well.
Did the mid 2000s lull in football help get all those season ticket holders when Huggins was hired or was the hire excitement enough? Did it just take commitment from the AD to make the big hire?
Anyways, thanks for any input. Good luck vs. Oklahoma tonight.
Like OSU, Kstate has a past of solid to great basketball that kinda fell off a cliff in the late 90s, almost the perfect mirror to the success of the football program. However, anytime the basketball team showed signs of life it wasn't uncommon to get a decent crowd of 8,000 or 9,000 for a conference home game. We were fortunate to get Huggins as the AD at the time has connection to him thru Eddie Folger. Also, Missouri could of hired him first after firing Quin Snyder mid season but MU's AD was afraid of Hug's "bad boy" rep and hired Mike Anderson instead.
To sum up, support for Kstate basketball has always been at an upper conference level in a Big 8/Big 12 that is and will always be football first. Good players are the most important part of the improving a bad to mediocre program and Bob and Frank did that with Dalonte's help - Jimmies and Joes, not Xs and Os in high major basketball
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
Be nice, bread. We welcomed you in. I'm interested in this. Didn't we play Oregon state in the final four or something back in the day?
No. I was PIed as a oscar hating Illini fan in the very beginning. Also get the eff out of here with this "we welcomed you in" bullshit. You sink or swim here.
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
Be nice, bread. We welcomed you in. I'm interested in this. Didn't we play Oregon state in the final four or something back in the day?
No. I was PIed as a oscar hating Illini fan in the very beginning. Also get the eff out of here with this "we welcomed you in" bullshit. You sink or swim here.
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And this would be what the rest of you may be referring to:
http://www.ddy.com/catsmbb_photo_Rolando_Sports_Illustrated.jpg
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You don't have permission to access /catsmbb_photo_Rolando_Sports_Illustrated.jpg on this server.
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Why would Ro be forbidden? It's slanderous, but maybe a requirement to ban that image in Oregon.
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Hi Wildcat fans! I'm a beaver fan, and Wildcat fan from afar.
With my Beaver program struggling the past two decades I always enjoy watching other programs progress to consistent tournaments and conference title races.
What I'm curious is what your guy's opinion is on why KState Hoops has been on the rise?
Bob absolutely pulled this program from the depths of mediocrity by bringing in better players - his sitting out a year to strengthen the relationship with Bill Walker (and OJ Mayo) with no NCAA restrictions helped as did hiring assistants like Dalonte Hill (Michael Beasley's, Rodney McGruder, Jamar Samuels and others AAU coach when they were kids) and Frank Martin (obvious So Fla connections brought in Denis Clemente and Angel Rodriquez and developed NYC connections brought in Curtis Kelly and Shane Southwell)
KState expenditures isn't high - 79th, behind most BCS teams. From 88-89 until Bob Huggins' arrival you finished .500 or below in conference and through 3 coaches have finished above .500 in every year since.
So I guess the obvious, is that credit can be given to Huggins. Its been awhile since Huggins' was hired, did he come to Kstate relatively cheap?
Bob came pretty cheap (about $1M per IIRC) but I believe the recruiting expenditures increased over 50% over the first 2 years or so. Also, KSU made Dalonte Hill the highest paid assistant in the country at $350k (eventually Hill made close $500k with bonuses i believe).
He obviously had his history at Cincy. Were there and have there been any renovations or facility construction that have added to your program's stability?
We added loge boxes at the top to the arena for 07-08 season and built a basketball training facility in 2012. I doubt any of it happens if hired our reported first choice, Greg McDermott. Season tickets sold out for Hug's season and most of Frank's season as well.
Did the mid 2000s lull in football help get all those season ticket holders when Huggins was hired or was the hire excitement enough? Did it just take commitment from the AD to make the big hire?
Anyways, thanks for any input. Good luck vs. Oklahoma tonight.
Like OSU, Kstate has a past of solid to great basketball that kinda fell off a cliff in the late 90s, almost the perfect mirror to the success of the football program. However, anytime the basketball team showed signs of life it wasn't uncommon to get a decent crowd of 8,000 or 9,000 for a conference home game. We were fortunate to get Huggins as the AD at the time has connection to him thru Eddie Folger. Also, Missouri could of hired him first after firing Quin Snyder mid season but MU's AD was afraid of Hug's "bad boy" rep and hired Mike Anderson instead.
To sum up, support for Kstate basketball has always been at an upper conference level in a Big 8/Big 12 that is and will always be football first. Good players are the most important part of the improving a bad to mediocre program and Bob and Frank did that with Dalonte's help - Jimmies and Joes, not Xs and Os in high major basketball
Thanks, sounds like a little bit of everything helped the program but most of all Huggins. Amazing that Kstate could afford damn near two HC's with Hill's price.
"Nice logo change up there in Corn Valley bevis. Trying to copy UC-Eugene I guess"
Its an awful. Awful logo. Yet, still an improvement on the last one.
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We weren't trying for about 16 years. Once we started trying again, we got good. Basketball is pretty easy with a minimal amount of effort
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I know several Scott's in Corvallis
Do you know a Scott from Kansas who went to Kansas State University? He has lived there for about 1 year now so you have probably seen him around town.
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What the eff is your game OrangeExpress (if that's even your real name)? What're you after? Out with it!
Be nice, bread. We welcomed you in. I'm interested in this. Didn't we play Oregon state in the final four or something back in the day?
No. I was PIed as a oscar hating Illini fan in the very beginning. Also get the eff out of here with this "we welcomed you in" bullshit. You sink or swim here.
just thank the Lord there were no holes in your lifeboat. :lol:
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It all happened because I decided we should hire Huggins and made it my personal mission for the better part of early 2006.
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Didn't Wooly lose to Oregon State in 2OT?
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Didn't Wooly lose to Oregon State in 2OT?
I'm sure it was close game but aw shucks.
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Didn't Wooly lose to Oregon State in 2OT?
Yes...the same night we beat OU in the big12 championship.
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I think it was actually 3 OT but I can't be certain because I was busy partying my face off with my dad in an Arrowhead traffic jam at the time.
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But Gilson Dejesus in the OOD guys. :D
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But Gilson Dejesus in the OOD guys. :D
Gilson Day-hay-sooooooos
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But Gilson Dejesus in the OOD guys. :D
I know its uncommon, but the Gilson DeJesus era of KSU hoops is what made me EMAW. I loved those teams. Tim Ellis hitting that 3 to send us into OT with Oklahoma..... :ksu: