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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Trogdor on January 09, 2014, 03:48:42 PM
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Kansas State @ Kansas
11 Jan, 2014 1:00pm Central
Allen Field House, Lawrence Kansas
Team Stats
Kansas State University of Kansas
(12-3) (2-0) (10-4) (1-0)
RPI 43 3
Per Game
Points 67.7 78.6
Assists 15.0 15.6
FG % .419 .498
FT % .642 .689
3 Point % .304 .341
3 Point FGM 5.8 5.2
Points Allowed 58.0 69.3
Def. FG % .392 .410
Blocks 2.8 6.3
Steals 6.7 5.6
Rebounds 38.1 38.3
T.O Margin +1.7 -2.3
Rebound Margin +4.3 +6.9
Scoring Margin +9.7 +9.3
Team Leaders (Per Game)
K-State KU
Points M.Foster 14.1 A.Wiggins 15.3
T.Gipson 11.9 P.Ellis 13.8
Rebounds T.Gipson 6.5 J.Embiid 7.2
S.Southwell 5.0 P.Ellis 6.9
Assists J.Thomas 4.3 N.Tharpe 5.1
S.Southwell 3.3 F.Mason 2.7
Top 3 wins: K-State KU
*#21 Gonzaga (14-2) *#4 Duke (12-3) *Neutral Court
George Wash. (12-2) *New Mex. (11-3)
#6 Ok. St. (13-2) Oklahoma (12-3)
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Good idea. Needs better stats.
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If it weren't for the mental block, the numbers say we should win there Saturday, but we probably won't because they'll try too hard and play out of position...get behind..and game over.
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If it weren't for the mental block, the numbers say we should win there Saturday, but we probably won't because they'll try too hard and play out of position...get behind..and game over.
Which numbers in particular?
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NA NA NA NA NA NA NA NA!
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THUNDER!!!
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I talk about #bruceketball and 3PT% often, but after looking at the number in this game my biggest concern is our ability to make 2s. Last year in Lawrence KU outshot us on 2s 54% to 38%. Once again KU has a great 2PT% defenses (44%) and 7 out of the last 10 years they have finished in the Top 5 nationally in 2PT defense. KU is blocking 16% of 2PT shots attempted against them because Self defenses always protects the paint, especially in AFH, and if we don't get some production in the paint then we will be in trouble. A lot of this falls on Gip being able to get some points in there, but secondarily our drivers like Shane, Westicles, and Marcus must finish in the paint as well. Our goal should probably be to shoot within 2-3% of KU on 2s and at least get to our average of 48%.
A strength for us should be winning the TO% battle, but we have had our share of bad games, and against better teams we haven't forced TOs at a high rate. Still, given KU's inability to protect the ball we should be able to force around 20%, the question will be whether we can keep ours down to 15-16% and if the TOs we allow lead to lay-ups/dunks in transition.
It will be interesting to see the battle of the boards, both teams with advantages on the season of 6-7%. This will truly test our small line-up and we'll have to see if our double swing forward line-up of Southwell and Westicles can hold their own against KU's bigs. The Cats have to try to stay even here.
There is always a lot of talk from K-State fans about FTs and fouls against KU and in some cases that has been true (09 and 11), but in most cases FT rate has been pretty even.
In the other thread I mentioned a high 3PT% (45%+) as a big key for this game and while it might not have to be in the 40s it probably does need to be in the upper 30s. I simply don't think we'll out play KU on 2PT shots so we'll have to make up for that on 3s.
I still think this game is too much for our team at this point. KU isn't the greatest match-up for us and it took a fluke in the mid 2000s for K-State to win there. I don't see another fluke like that coming tomorrow and I don't think this year's #bruceketball is quite ready to win this onem though I think it will be a little bit closer than my initial projection.
Cats 62 - Hawks 70
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Straight to bottom :sadpeek:
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I don't like how we match up with them, especially down low.
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I don't like how we match up with them, especially down low.
Now that's the hard hitting analysis I pay for. :thumbs:
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If that Cat defense can dropkick the Hawk offense, then the game will be interesting
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Destroy them in the turnover battle, be competitive in the offensive rebounding margin. Go home with a victory. It is that simple.
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[stats blah blah blah]
Cats 62 - Hawks 70
Squawk outed.
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oscar will use same strategy as he used last year against ku, which is to bomb away from 3. I like the strategy. There is no reason to spend the first 10 minutes of the game learning that Gipson and co can't score down low, or even draw fouls. We have to hit our threes, play typical solid defense, and fight like hell to stay even on the boards.
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oscar will use same strategy as he used last year against ku, which is to bomb away from 3. I like the strategy. There is no reason to spend the first 10 minutes of the game learning that Gipson and co can't score down low, or even draw fouls. We have to hit our threes, play typical solid defense, and fight like hell to stay even on the boards.
That has a lot to do with not getting into the interior of their defense. But Jevon, tho
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oscar will use same strategy as he used last year against ku, which is to bomb away from 3. I like the strategy. There is no reason to spend the first 10 minutes of the game learning that Gipson and co can't score down low, or even draw fouls. We have to hit our threes, play typical solid defense, and fight like hell to stay even on the boards.
That should not be the strategy for this year's team. We're not a good shooting team from behind the arc. Not saying that Foster and Shane (Nigel too if he ever gets in the game) shouldn't shoot a healthy number of threes, but that is not our strength this year. If they get a bunch of long rebounds off of misses, then they have the athleticism to murder us in the transition game.
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oscar will use same strategy as he used last year against ku, which is to bomb away from 3. I like the strategy. There is no reason to spend the first 10 minutes of the game learning that Gipson and co can't score down low, or even draw fouls. We have to hit our threes, play typical solid defense, and fight like hell to stay even on the boards.
That should not be the strategy for this year's team. We're not a good shooting team from behind the arc. Not saying that Foster and Shane (Nigel too if he ever gets in the game) shouldn't shoot a healthy number of threes, but that is not our strength this year. If they get a bunch of long rebounds off of misses, then they have the athleticism to murder us in the transition game.
I dont believe they are faster then us when we have Will off the court. Jevon is going to have to breakdown their defense, that is how we score. Jevon is special, no one will ever be able to neutralize his ability to drive.
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The Sunflower Showdown comes to Manhattan featuring the 2 best shooting teams in the Big 12. We remember well what happened in Lawrence (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=30806.msg1015273#msg1015273), and I don't expect a repeat performance of K-State's awful defense in Manhattan.
Key stats:
2PT shooting: It is no surprise that KU leads the league in 2PT shooting (55.6% Big 12) as Self coached teams generally shoot very well on 2s. However, it is a surprise to see K-State lead in 2PT% defense (42.9%), especially considering that K-State lacks shot blocking ability. KU is 2nd in 2PT% defense and shot blocking, while K-State is 3rd in 2PT% offense. K-State actually shot very well on 2s in Lawrence, hitting 53.8% even though KU blocked 15.4% of the 2PT attempts. The problem was KU hit 61.5% of theirs, including 73.9% in the first half as they raced out to a 45-28 lead. If the Cats give up nearly an 8% differential on 2PT shots again its likely KU will win going away. It is important to note that K-State's 2PT% defense at home is even more impressive, only allowing Big 12 opponents to shoot 36% on 2s in the OOD. The only Big 12 team to hit more than 35% of their 2s was OSU who made 47%, but the Cats held them to 40% in the 2nd half on 2s and no other team has hit 40% or better in a half at the OOD since that first half vs the Cowboys.
3PT shooting: As bad as the 2PT% differential was in Lawrence, 3PT% was even worse. KU made 8-18 (44%) while the Cats only made 1 of 11 attempts (9%). KU has been really good on 3PT shots in Big 12 play, leading the league at 41.8% while shooting 39% or better in 8 of their 10 Big 12 games. Their worst 3PT shooting on the road was at ISU (31%), otherwise they've been at least 40% in their other Big 12 road game. KU also leads the league in 3PT% defense, though teams still hit nearly 1/3 of their 3s against the Jayhawks. TCU was the only road opponent to hit more than 32% against KU's defense. Meanwhile, K-State has improved in Big 12 play, making 35% in league games and 38% in the OOD and 44% in the 1st half. K-State's 3PT defense is decent at 33% and in the OOD opponents have made 31% of their 3s. As for 3PTA%, only 28% of KU's shots are 3s while opponents take 35% of their attempts from 3. 32% of K-State's attempts are 3s while opponents only shoot 28.5% of their attempts from 3, which makes K-State's great 2PT% defense even more valuable.
TO%: Maybe the biggest surprise of the game in Lawrence was KU recording 0 TOs in the first half and finishing with a TO rate of only 11%, their best of the season. This is a team that has had a turnover rate of at least 20% in nearly half their games and is worst in the league at 20.2%. In addition, KU has been really bad on the road, with a rate of 24% against Top 100 teams in road games. With K-State's TO problems this year, they have been able to gain an advantage at home, and force teams into a 19% TO rate in the OOD. The Cats are also coming off one of their best games of the year after forcing 28% against Texas.
OR%: KU is one of the best rebounding teams in the league and K-State sits in the middle. While KU didn't have an outlandish OR% against K-State in Lawrence (33%) they were impressive in keeping K-State off the offensive glass, holding the Wildcats to a season worst 22.6%. The Cats are nearly even in oboarding in Big 12 games, while KU holds a differential of 8%, which is 2nd in the league. K-State was able to overcome getting beat on the offensive glass by Texas because of being great in other factors and the Cats have been out-oboarded slightly in home Big 12 games, 37.5% to 33.5%.
FTR: This is the area K-State fans (and Big 12 fans in general) like to talk about, but it will likely be a non-issue in this game. Not surprisingly, KU has a high FT rate (45.9% Big 12), but they also send opponents to the FT line more than any Big 12 team (46.5%) which is by far the worst rate any Bill Self team has allowed. K-State probably won't gain a big advantage here (barring KU being forced to foul late), but the Cats should be able to stay even.
Conclusion If the Texas game is any indication the week off has helped the energy of this team, and even in down years Weber was pretty good at knocking off Top 10 teams at Illinois, earning 5 Top 10 wins even in his last 3 seasons. The crowd was great vs Texas and I expect it to be even better Monday night. Foster's confidence after an impressive outing is high, Southwell and/or Gip are due for a nice game, and sleeveless Will continues to hit some shots. This game will be close and come down to the under 4 timeout, this time I think K-State makes the plays to win it.
Cats 68 - Hawks 65
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Holy crap, Fan has zeal!
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Holy crap, Fan has zeal!
Why not?!?!
#1cat
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Holy crap, Fan has zeal!
Why not?!?!
#1cat
Yep :kstatriot:
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Wow _FAN pointing to center field and calling his shot!!
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I am rooting my ass off for sleeveless Will have one final "great game" against KU, and we win, and sleeveless Will to forever be remembered for that game.
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Would KU have used some time in practice to prepare for us this week? Does that happen in college basketball? They should have easily handled WVU at home, but obviously did not. Any chance it's because of something like that?
And obviously we played against UT like we had been preparing for them all week. Which may not be a bad thing because if our gameplan was to slow down their center and prepare to shoot from the outside, that game plan will translate very well. But it still makes me think we're going to lose, just like everything ever makes me think.
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
:lol:
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
:lol:
:ROFL:
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
:confused:
I thought the triangle and 2 was an OFFENSE, not a DEFENSE :dunno:
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I am rooting my ass off for sleeveless Will have one final "great game" against KU, and we win, and sleeveless Will to forever be remembered for that game.
William Tecumseh Spradling is going to go scorched earth on the hawks tomorrow
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Good zeal, _fan.
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Obviously, I think we'll lose because i'm a sane person... but hey, things get weird sometimes. go cats. go oscar. go will.
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Obviously, I think we'll lose because i'm a sane person... but hey, things get weird sometimes. go cats. go oscar. go will.
Well put
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Obviously, I think we'll lose because i'm a sane person... but hey, things get weird sometimes. go cats. go oscar. go will.
Well put
thanks man
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
smartest bball fans on the planet
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
idk what game you were watching but self didn't have them playing a triangle and 2 defense. bill only pulls that out in important games when the other team has multiple threats. KU won by what...26? no use for that defense when there is complete domination.
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I think Self will be forced to us a dot and four in an unsuccessful attempt to stop the red hot Foster. That's one guy (Embiid?) guarding the rest of the team and four guys on Foster. He's just a different animal at home, especially now that his finger is healed. Just blew up the team that buried KU.
I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
idk what game you were watching but self didn't have them playing a triangle and 2 defense. bill only pulls that out in important games when the other team has multiple threats. KU won by what...26? no use for that defense when there is complete domination.
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I'm expecting to see a lot of "five on foster" defense, but I still anticipate Marcus "Bananas" Foster to score at least 50
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Could be. You seem to know your basketball, not like that welching blowhard above.
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I further predict as Marcus burns the sqwawks, Self will deploy the "give him a sneaky blow to the pills' defense.
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Kind of worried about the dirtiest player in the league and his elbows of anger
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Kind of worried about the dirtiest player in the league and his elbows of anger
I'm going to pray for the safety of our youngsters tomorrow night.
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Kind of worried about the dirtiest player in the league and his elbows of anger
I just hope marcus smart isn't in the stands
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Kind of worried about the dirtiest player in the league and his elbows of anger
I just hope marcus smart isn't in the stands
hur hur hur
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Kind of worried about the dirtiest player in the league and his elbows of anger
I just hope marcus smart isn't in the stands
He would beat Embiid senseless
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Wow, nice scoop.
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Lol, you can shoot someone in Lawrence and Bill will give you a 5th chance
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DJamer needs to do whatever it takes to provoke embiid into elbowing him to the point of near-death.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Interesting if true
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Interesting if true
I can at least confirm that Johnny Thunderbone has an inside track to the buzz in Lawrence.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Interesting if true
I can at least confirm that Johnny Thunderbone has an inside track to the buzz in Lawrence.
Well then I am giving more merit to the statement with that stamp of knowledge.
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
idk what game you were watching but self didn't have them playing a triangle and 2 defense. bill only pulls that out in important games when the other team has multiple threats. KU won by what...26? no use for that defense when there is complete domination.
LBBIQ :facepalm: I can't even....
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Interesting if true
I can at least confirm that Johnny Thunderbone has an inside track to the buzz in Lawrence.
:surprised:
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Interesting if true
I can at least confirm that Johnny Thunderbone has an inside track to the buzz in Lawrence.
:surprised:
I'm good for more than just extravagant gif productio, you know.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Interesting if true
I can at least confirm that Johnny Thunderbone has an inside track to the buzz in Lawrence.
:surprised:
I'm good for more than just extravagant gif productio, you know.
if you're right this would become another great example of gE scooping THE WORLD.
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I really hope we win. Would be nice.
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DON'T RUSH THE COURT, DON'T RUSH THE COURT....(unless you want to then, do what you want.)
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DON'T RUSH THE COURT, DON'T RUSH THE COURT....(unless you want to then, do what you want.)
If we win, I'm rushing. (Unless that dude threatens to arrest us again :frown:)
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Don't rush the court unless you want to have a ton of fun.
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DON'T RUSH THE COURT, DON'T RUSH THE COURT....(unless you want to then, do what you want.)
If we win, I'm rushing. (Unless that dude threatens to arrest us again :frown:)
that dude was a rough ridin' prick.
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
idk what game you were watching but self didn't have them playing a triangle and 2 defense. bill only pulls that out in important games when the other team has multiple threats. KU won by what...26? no use for that defense when there is complete domination.
LBBIQ :facepalm: I can't even....
It's amazing how little KU fans know about the game of basketball. Their massive success has obviously dumbed down the fanbase significantly.
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I hope we are prepared for the triangle and two, good chance we see it tomorrow.
why would KU play triangle and 2? basically it's foster and everyone else and wiggins will shut him down like he did in lawrence.
pro-tip: self ran a triangle and 2 when we played in lawrence
idk what game you were watching but self didn't have them playing a triangle and 2 defense. bill only pulls that out in important games when the other team has multiple threats. KU won by what...26? no use for that defense when there is complete domination.
LBBIQ :facepalm: I can't even....
It's amazing how little KU fans know about the game of basketball. Their massive success has obviously dumbed down the fanbase significantly.
if they simply wanted to face guard foster all game a box and 1 would be the d to play...KU doesn't need to play anything but straight up man d against the kitties
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I think KU has junk defensed us in every game is for the last 3-4 years.
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Why not guys?
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I think KU has junk defensed us in every game is for the last 3-4 years.
Massa Self treats this game the same way LHCBS treats the fall classic... Pretty obvious the two Sunflower Showdowns are all they really care about.
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Why is ljm still allowed to post here?
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Foster with a redemption game tomorrow night finishing with 20+?? What are the odds?
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Why is ljm still allowed to post here?
apathy
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Foster with a redemption game tomorrow night finishing with 20+?? What are the odds?
40/60
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I think KU has junk defensed us in every game is for the last 3-4 years.
This.
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Foster with a redemption game tomorrow night finishing with 20+?? What are the odds?
40/60
More like 70/30. JMHO.
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I wish I had your guys optimism. This is the first time since 06 that I've felt like we have had zero chance at a home win against them.
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http://kusports.net/boards/topic.php?board=1&topic=4653
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http://kusports.net/boards/topic.php?board=1&topic=4653
Take a bow everyone.
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You're not that funny
http://kusports.net/boards/topic.php?board=1&topic=4653
Take a bow everyone.
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we haven't done any thunderstruck material recently have we? :confused:
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Foster with a redemption game tomorrow night finishing with 20+?? What are the odds?
40/60
More like 70/30. JMHO.
:horrorsurprise: :emawkid:
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we haven't done any thunderstruck material recently have we? :confused:
and it's a damn shame
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You're not that funny
http://kusports.net/boards/topic.php?board=1&topic=4653
Take a bow everyone.
What? They were giving us praise? eff you.
EDIT: Also, when did I say I was funny?
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You're not that funny
http://kusports.net/boards/topic.php?board=1&topic=4653
Take a bow everyone.
What? They were giving us praise? eff you.
A huge majority of fan bases praises gE and our work.
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can you imagine a thunderstruck / sandstorm mashup? wow
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You're not that funny
http://kusports.net/boards/topic.php?board=1&topic=4653
Take a bow everyone.
What? They were giving us praise? eff you.
A huge majority of fan bases praises gE and our work.
Guess I've never noticed cause I don't get on other schools' message boards.
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gE BITB and everyone knows it.
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I may be getting myself way to pumped up for tonight, but I can't help it!!! :ksu: :excited: :Woohoo:
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can you imagine a thunderstruck / sandstorm mashup? wow
:impatient:
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Foster with a redemption game tomorrow night finishing with 20+?? What are the odds?
40/60
More like 70/30. JMHO.
:horrorsurprise: :emawkid:
No reason for :horrorsurprise:, I have some logic behind my thoughts.
First, Foster has been good at home. He's hitting 50% from 2, 42% from 3, and 70% on FTs in the OOD. Scoring 16 points per game, but more importantly 35 points per 100 possessions he's on the floor. Also around 4 boards and 3 assists per game.
Second, he's been even better in Big 12 play at home (outside of the Tech game). Even with the Tech game included he's hitting 62% on 2s, 48% on 3s, and 67% on FTs. 17.2 points per game and more impressively 42 points per 100 possessions. About the same on boards and assists.
Third, he's been through playing poorly on the road and great at home against the same opponent as we saw Saturday. He was terrible in Austin (1-6 on 3s, 3-12 overall, 8 points, 19 points/100 poss), but rebounded with a great game Saturday. His numbers in Lawrence were similar to the numbers in Austin. I'm not saying he's going to score 34 points at a rate of 70+ points per 100 possessions like he did vs Texas, but I think its likely he plays well, scores at a rate in the 30s/per 100 and ends up with around 20 points.
The key for me is that we get offense from 2 of our big 3. I think Foster will bring it, then we need to look for Shane and Gip. Shane was fantastic against KU in the OOD last year and Gip played well in Lawrence. Based on that (limited I know, but I'm an optimist), I think we can expect an efficient 45-50 from our big 3, then its guys like NuWill, Nino, etc. throwing in a normal decent performance to build off that base. If we get a great game from one of them, then its a bonus (and we win comfortably).
Then I factor in that we've played not just good, but great defense at home. KU has enough young players that I think our crowd and that defense will bother them.
That all leads me to a Cat win as I said earlier in this post. Granted, its based on an optimistic twisting of the numbers, but its still based on stats. Do with that what you want.
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Wiggins will shut down Foster again, and KU's big men will dominate.
KU - 76
KSU - 65
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IIRC, wasn't the first KU game where Foster was just coming off his dislocated finger? Wiggins is a solid defender, but I'd like to think Foster's injury had more of an impact on his poor output that game.
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For once, i agree with pepperjax
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have a ticket, not going, i get too angry/sad/mad during this game to make it enjoyable. heart broken too many times.
however, go cats.
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Foster with a redemption game tomorrow night finishing with 20+?? What are the odds?
40/60
More like 70/30. JMHO.
:horrorsurprise: :emawkid:
No reason for :horrorsurprise:, I have some logic behind my thoughts.
First, Foster has been good at home. He's hitting 50% from 2, 42% from 3, and 70% on FTs in the OOD. Scoring 16 points per game, but more importantly 35 points per 100 possessions he's on the floor. Also around 4 boards and 3 assists per game.
Second, he's been even better in Big 12 play at home (outside of the Tech game). Even with the Tech game included he's hitting 62% on 2s, 48% on 3s, and 67% on FTs. 17.2 points per game and more impressively 42 points per 100 possessions. About the same on boards and assists.
Third, he's been through playing poorly on the road and great at home against the same opponent as we saw Saturday. He was terrible in Austin (1-6 on 3s, 3-12 overall, 8 points, 19 points/100 poss), but rebounded witha great game Saturday. I'm not saying he's going to score 34 points at a rate of 70+ points per possession like he did vs Texas, but I think its likely he plays well, scores at a rate in the 30s/per 100 and ends up with around 20 points.
The key for me is that we get offense from 2 of our big 3. I think Foster will bring it, then we need to look for Shane and Gip. Shane was fantastic against KU in the OOD last year and Gip played well in Lawrence. Based on that (limited I know, but I'm an optimist), I think we can expect an efficient 45-50 from our big 3, then its guys like NuWill, Nino, etc. throwing in a normal decent performance to build off that base. If we get a great game from one of them, then its a bonus (and we win comfortably).
Then I factor in that we've played not just good, but great defense at home. KU has enough young players that I think our crowd and that defense will bother them.
That all leads me to a Cat win as I said earlier in this post. Granted, its based on an optimistic twisting of the numbers, but its still based on stats. Do with that what you want.
Don't do this to yourself.
KU 81 Cats 67
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have a ticket, not going, i get too angry/sad/mad during this game to make it enjoyable. heart broken too many times.
however, go cats.
Give your ticket to someone.
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have a ticket, not going, i get too angry/sad/mad during this game to make it enjoyable. heart broken too many times.
however, go cats.
Give your ticket to someone.
already done.
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have a ticket, not going, i get too angry/sad/mad during this game to make it enjoyable. heart broken too many times.
however, go cats.
Give your ticket to someone.
already done.
Don't know why I doubted you. :D
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have a ticket, not going, i get too angry/sad/mad during this game to make it enjoyable. heart broken too many times.
however, go cats.
Give your ticket to someone.
already done.
Don't know why I doubted you. :D
I feel Tharpe and Seldon are going to go off with our constant help inside with the bigs.
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Wiggins is a really overrated defender. He's not that smart, just athletic. Plays with his feet to close together has bad bend in his knees. Defense is a lot easier when you have a shot blocker behind you.
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ku will shoot an insane number from behind the arc
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Maybe we win, maybe we lose, but dammit I'm going to EMAW my face off and have fun tonight.
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I wonder if we will continue to double the post with both bigs. It worked pretty well early in AFH vs Embiid and Ellis but Black and Traylor killed it when they came in and it seemed to not bother Embiid and Ellis when they returned but the game we already out of reach.
We were succesfull doubling UT's big guys Saturday but they don't pass or finish all that well, especially after Holmes went out and UT has very few shooters. Since oscar doesn't play zone, I guess we could double with the guard but we haven't done that much.
I know it is a total departure from how we play D but teams that I would play a couple of possessions with both our post players in the lane and dare the KU bigs to shoot jumpers.
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Don't do this to yourself.
I'll do what I want.
Also of note:.
In his previous 10 seasons, Self's defenses have averaged giving up only 0.94 points per possession. This year the Hawks are at 1.02 points per possession, the worst of any Bill Self defense since he's been at Kansas. They have TO problems that no other Self team has had, not only because they turn it over, but because they don't force TOs either.
Granted, they are shooting it at a ridiculous rate and K-State will have to rely on a trend of great defense at home.
But I want to be clear; its also a bunch of BS to think we can't win this game or we have to perfect game to win it. K-State is good enough to beat KU this season. I understand that its difficult with so many years of getting beat down and the 3 wins we have being partially due to strange phenomena (Wooly weirdness, Beasley/Walker, Pullen career game), but its also time (like most rivalries) that K-State starts to have some quality team wins in this series. I know I'm fighting against years of piss poor showings in this thing, but its time for this to change. (and I'm going to continue to believe this until it does or until I die, whichever comes first).
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We won in 2008 at home, we won in 2011 at home, we win tonight in 2014 at home. That's my basis.
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Don't do this to yourself.
I'll do what I want.
Also of note:.
In his previous 10 seasons, Self's defenses have averaged giving up only 0.94 points per possession. This year the Hawks are at 1.02 points per possession, the worst of any Bill Self defense since he's been at Kansas. They have TO problems that no other Self team has had, not only because they turn it over, but because they don't force TOs either.
Granted, they are shooting it at a ridiculous rate and K-State will have to rely on a trend of great defense at home.
But I want to be clear; its also a bunch of BS to think we can't win this game or we have to perfect game to win it. K-State is good enough to beat KU this season. I understand that its difficult with so many years of getting beat down and the 3 wins we have being partially due to strange phenomena (Wooly weirdness, Beasley/Walker, Pullen career game), but its also time (like most rivalries) that K-State starts to have some quality team wins in this series. I know I'm fighting against years of piss poor showings in this thing, but its time for this to change. (and I'm going to continue to believe this until it does or until I die, whichever comes first).
Up until about 15 min ago when I started going through this thread I was thinking we lose by 7-13pts. After reading the zeal from _Fan and him backing it up with science and such, I am thinking we can get the W!!! :bball:
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Don't do this to yourself.
I'll do what I want.
Also of note:.
In his previous 10 seasons, Self's defenses have averaged giving up only 0.94 points per possession. This year the Hawks are at 1.02 points per possession, the worst of any Bill Self defense since he's been at Kansas. They have TO problems that no other Self team has had, not only because they turn it over, but because they don't force TOs either.
Granted, they are shooting it at a ridiculous rate and K-State will have to rely on a trend of great defense at home.
But I want to be clear; its also a bunch of BS to think we can't win this game or we have to perfect game to win it. K-State is good enough to beat KU this season. I understand that its difficult with so many years of getting beat down and the 3 wins we have being partially due to strange phenomena (Wooly weirdness, Beasley/Walker, Pullen career game), but its also time (like most rivalries) that K-State starts to have some quality team wins in this series. I know I'm fighting against years of piss poor showings in this thing, but its time for this to change. (and I'm going to continue to believe this until it does or until I die, whichever comes first).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URgQdz7qd8A (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=URgQdz7qd8A)
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Will we ever have this again? Sometimes it hurts too much to keep believing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ekf7TyWt8I (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ekf7TyWt8I)
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KState in 5 home conf games = TO% Def 19.2, TO% Off 17.0
KU in 5 road conf games = TO% Def 14.0, TO% Off 20.9
Although we are negative overall in TO% differ, we are +2.2% in the home games. Most of KU's poor -6.9% differ comes from the Isu game where they had 24 TOs to only 8 for Isu, but this is one category we have a good shot at winning 2nite
KU makes 50.2% on 2pt shots in Big 12 road games. Texas held them to 37% when they won. The other 4 teams KU played on the road are on not real good defensively (Those 4 are 5th, 7th,8th,9th in 2pt Def, and those 4 teams are bottom half in Def eFG). Its been noted that Ksu has been very good with 2pt Defense and especially at home (last 4 teams have shot 35% or under in the OOD).
Only 28% of KU's shots are from behind the arc. If we can hold KU to 40.0% (even 42.0) or under from 2pt and 30.0 or under from 3pt, we are gonna have a very good shot to win this game
Getting Shane going is gonna be big. He is only at 44% eFG in league play, but he will have the nice matchup offensively with Ellis and Traylor being on him tonight. NuWill knocking down a few 3s also would be a big boost. He has struggled so bad vs KU and is only 1-12 in 3 games at the OOD vs them. Coming into 2night, he has made 15 of his last 30 from 3pt
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KState in 5 home conf games = TO% Def 19.2, TO% Off 17.0
KU in 5 road conf games = TO% Def 14.0, TO% Off 20.9
Although we are negative overall in TO% differ, we are +2.2% in the home games. Most of KU's poor -6.9% differ comes from the Isu game where they had 24 TOs to only 8 for Isu, but this is one category we have a good shot at winning 2nite
KU makes 50.2% on 2pt shots in Big 12 road games. Texas held them to 37% when they won. The other 4 teams KU played on the road are on not real good defensively (Those 4 are 5th, 7th,8th,9th in 2pt Def, and those 4 teams are bottom half in Def eFG). Its been noted that Ksu has been very good with 2pt Defense and especially at home (last 4 teams have shot 35% or under in the OOD).
Only 28% of KU's shots are from behind the arc. If we can hold KU to 40.0% (even 42.0) or under from 2pt and 30.0 or under from 3pt, we are gonna have a very good shot to win this game
Getting Shane going is gonna be big. He is only at 44% eFG in league play, but he will have the nice matchup offensively with Ellis and Traylor being on him tonight. NuWill knocking down a few 3s also would be a big boost. He has struggled so bad vs KU and is only 1-12 in 3 games at the OOD vs them. Coming into 2night, he has made 15 of his last 30 from 3pt
Keep bringing it Posse.
Signed,
ksu_ZEAL
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Posse and _Zeal just got me super pumped for the game tonight :excited:
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I think the key for us to win is Shane. He has to play well and stir the drink for us to win.
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someone should give me a ticket so i can go to the basketball match
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I think the key for us to win is Shane. He has to play well and stir the drink for us to win.
I think it's also key that if he is playing bad oscar needs to sit him like he did in the Texas game.
If we discussed it already I missed it, anyone know why Jevon got so few minutes Saturday?
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because will and marcus were dominating and jevon was giving the ball away
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They were playing Nigel though, which makes me wonder if Jevon wasn't playing well in practice, he was sick, he was in trouble, or they were frustrated with his free throw shooting.
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Self's daughter got engaged Friday night. Do you think he hesitated for even a split second before leaving her to prepare for his Super Bowl, or has he even talked to her?
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another reason that Southwell has to play well, is that it might be good to play Nino at the 5 some, to throw three different bodies at Embiid.
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:whistle1:
Self's daughter got engaged Friday night. Do you think he hesitated for even a split second before leaving her to prepare for his Super Bowl, or has he even talked to her?
Self's daughter won't sit behind the bench at games because of the foul language Bills abuses his players with.
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:whistle1:Self's daughter got engaged Friday night. Do you think he hesitated for even a split second before leaving her to prepare for his Super Bowl, or has he even talked to her?
Self's daughter won't sit behind the bench at games because of the foul language Bills abuses his players with.
YOU PIECE OF CARP :curse:
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another reason that Southwell has to play well, is that it might be good to play Nino at the 5 some, to throw three different bodies at Embiid.
only way we would even think about playing Nino at the 5 is if Gip is in foul trouble and DJamer is being very ineffective. Embild has 7 inches on Nino. Even Nino guarding Tarik Black (when Joel is on bench), he is giving up about 35 pounds and 4 inches. Playing Shane/Nino together can be effective at times, but it's a tough matchup vs KU
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KU plays better when they play us. We play worse when we play KU. These are facts. It's science, or mojo, or some combination thereof. Either way, it's embarrassing. And KU is already the better team so there's that... We'll keep it close for a while before losing by 12-15.
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Don't expect Shane to have a good offensive game tonight, bigger bigs tend to take a lot of energy out of him defensively. He needs to be good defensively tonight, find scoring some where else.
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All I know it's been nervous shits city for me this afternoon. :ohno:
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only way we would even think about playing Nino at the 5 is if Gip is in foul trouble and DJamer is being very ineffective. Embild has 7 inches on Nino. Even Nino guarding Tarik Black (when Joel is on bench), he is giving up about 35 pounds and 4 inches. Playing Shane/Nino together can be effective at times, but it's a tough matchup vs KU
worried about foul trouble for both Gip and DJamer. Does home court help with this? Not sure.
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I'm holding out about a 10% chance of a Cats W. The talent gap is obvious and their height may very well overwhelm our guys. And then there is the coaching match up.
But dammit I want this one bad. eff those dorks, lets send them back to their urinal shack.
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:whistle1: :whistle1:
I'm holding out about a 10% chance of a Cats W. The talent gap is obvious and their height may very well overwhelm our guys. And then there is the coaching match up.
But dammit I want this one bad. eff those dorks, lets send them back to their urinal shack.
X and Oing is in our favor. Chewing out the refs is not.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Most valuable premium site on the interntet?
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No Embiid, Traylor or Black and you slobs are tied? #hithegym
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Connor Frankamp absolutely loves dribbling the ball between his legs. Just can't get enough of it.
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With Embiid gimpy and Black re-injuring his ankle, will Self decide that Jamari has learned his lesson (because Self knows his heart)?
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No Embiid, Traylor or Black and you slobs are tied? #hithegym
You are a very bad message boarder and your obsession with all things KSU is very, very weird.
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I find Please's claim to be a Duke fan very :dubious:
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Connor Frankamp absolutely loves dribbling the ball between his legs. Just can't get enough of it.
:excited:
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Don't do this to yourself.
I'll do what I want.
Also of note:.
In his previous 10 seasons, Self's defenses have averaged giving up only 0.94 points per possession. This year the Hawks are at 1.02 points per possession, the worst of any Bill Self defense since he's been at Kansas. They have TO problems that no other Self team has had, not only because they turn it over, but because they don't force TOs either.
Granted, they are shooting it at a ridiculous rate and K-State will have to rely on a trend of great defense at home.
But I want to be clear; its also a bunch of BS to think we can't win this game or we have to perfect game to win it. K-State is good enough to beat KU this season. I understand that its difficult with so many years of getting beat down and the 3 wins we have being partially due to strange phenomena (Wooly weirdness, Beasley/Walker, Pullen career game), but its also time (like most rivalries) that K-State starts to have some quality team wins in this series. I know I'm fighting against years of piss poor showings in this thing, but its time for this to change. (and I'm going to continue to believe this until it does or until I die, whichever comes first).
"I'll do what I want" --- FAN
Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes! Yes!
We won in 2008 at home, we won in 2011 at home, we win tonight in 2014 at home. That's my basis.
Yes.
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We won in 2008 at home, we won in 2011 at home, we win tonight in 2014 at home. That's my basis.
2017 here we come! :ksu:
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Won't be able to reveal my source until after the season's over, but it's very reliable and VERY insidery.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Won't be able to reveal my source until after the season's over, but it's very reliable and VERY insidery.
:thumbs:
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Won't be able to reveal my source until after the season's over, but it's very reliable and VERY insidery.
when you say thunder, i say bone
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Thunder?
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BONE!
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BONE!
Just checking.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Won't be able to reveal my source until after the season's over, but it's very reliable and VERY insidery.
Because you were the one who started it? :dunno:
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J-T-Bone, feel free to PM any stuff that is TOO insidery to your best pal steve dave :crossfingers:
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J-T-Bone, feel free to PM any stuff that is TOO insidery to your best pal steve dave :crossfingers:
Let's just say I may soon be related to someone that sits on KU's bench.
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J-T-Bone, feel free to PM any stuff that is TOO insidery to your best pal steve dave :crossfingers:
Let's just say I may soon be related to someone that sits on KU's bench.
:horrorsurprise:
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BONE!
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Is Self's kid the one with the worst mustache ever that was shown a couple times during timeouts? Is he subconsciously harming himself by maintaining that thing? Someone needs to answer for that mustache. Is that the facial hair equivalent to being a cutter?
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I liked having offense for once.
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when tharpe got hot there at the end I thought "oh no, we won't make another shot and he'll score the last 8"
NOPE!
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Remind me what your @ is so I can credit you for this.
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Insidery sources tell me Jamari Taylor will be suspended for tomorrow night's game after being involved in an off-the-court altercation last night. Details not to be made public by the team.
Remind me what your @ is so I can credit you for this.
@JohnThunderbone. Follow me for all the insidery action. JK I don't tweet much.
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=12678082&p=2
T-shirt fans butthurt over being too t-shirty to get the scoop on their own team.
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http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?s=172&f=2481&t=12678082&p=2
T-shirt fans butthurt over being too t-shirty to get the scoop on their own team.
Doesn't make it true
BOOM, now what Thunder!