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He shot the free throws on the technical foul, too. :flush:
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Poor Nigel Johnson put up a look at me cry for help three when he got in for 2 minutes.
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He played well
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How does he always shoot so terribly when he is always wide open?
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Nigel isn't ready to guard at this level yet. Its frustrating when he doesn't hit shots, but Will defended pretty well. He does a great job managing his lack of athletic ability guarding really athletic guys; he really is very good at it now.
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Nigel isn't ready to guard at this level yet. Its frustrating when he doesn't hit shots, but Will defended pretty well. He does a great job managing his lack of athletic ability guarding really athletic guys; he really is very good at it now.
WHY CAN'T YOU HATE SPRADS LIKE EVERYONE ELSE!!!!
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Announcer had a great line, "his shot looks like it's always going in, but it usually doesn't."
Still, he played a steady game, never panicked, made OSU keep a man with him at the 3-point line, and there were enough other guys that made plays.
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Until Jevon, Westicles, Omar become at least a threat to shoot, we need will on the perimeter to at least give foster and Shane a chance.
Wills defense was great and he's actually rebounded well this year. He also made 33% of his 3s which is okay
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It is frustrating that for as quick as Nigel seems to be, he's still not a very good defender. I would imagine that will change, but until it does Sprads will continue to take all his minutes.
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Will is a better shooter and defender than Nigel, which is why will plays more.
This isn't hard, guys
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Some guys come ready to play defense at this level and some don't. Nigel is smaller, but doesn't have the quickness of Thomas to compensate. Long term I think he'll be fine, but its going to take some time to adjust to the physical defense on the perimeter needed to guard good Big 12 guards. OSU also probably has the best perimeter in the Big 12, so I think it was safe of oscar not to throw Nigel out there for a bunch of minutes, especially since Thomas, Will, and Foster held their own defensively.
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Nigel isn't ready to guard at this level yet. Its frustrating when he doesn't hit shots, but Will defended pretty well. He does a great job managing his lack of athletic ability guarding really athletic guys; he really is very good at it now.
I have to agree with FAN. Most games Will wont be playing 37 minutes, but his game outside of his shooting is a lot better than he gets credit for. His FT shooting this year is frustrating. His misses seem way off too.
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37 minutes
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Its frustrating when he doesn't hit shots, but Will defended pretty well. He does a great job managing his lack of athletic ability guarding really athletic guys; he really is very good at it now.
:sdeek: no he didn't
His good defense was Marcus Smart getting into foul trouble. Early in the game, before Smart went to the bench he was absolutely abusing Spradling. Smart had 7 of OSUs first 9 and I believe 14 in the first half on 5-8 shooting and 2 assists. The numbers don't tell the story, he constantly couldn't keep his man in front and Smart abused him in the post whenever he wanted to.
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Its frustrating when he doesn't hit shots, but Will defended pretty well. He does a great job managing his lack of athletic ability guarding really athletic guys; he really is very good at it now.
:sdeek: no he didn't
His good defense was Marcus Smart getting into foul trouble. Early in the game, before Smart went to the bench he was absolutely abusing Spradling. Smart had 7 of OSUs first 9 and I believe 14 in the first half on 5-8 shooting and 2 assists. The numbers don't tell the story, he constantly couldn't keep his man in front and Smart abused him in the post whenever he wanted to.
Westicles started the game on Smart and much of the game Thomas guarded him. Spradling was on Brown much of the game and didn't even guard Smart that much.
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Agree to disagree
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Some guys come ready to play defense at this level and some don't. Nigel is smaller, but doesn't have the quickness of Thomas to compensate. Long term I think he'll be fine, but its going to take some time to adjust to the physical defense on the perimeter needed to guard good Big 12 guards. OSU also probably has the best perimeter in the Big 12, so I think it was safe of oscar not to throw Nigel out there for a bunch of minutes, especially since Thomas, Will, and Foster held their own defensively.
_FAN will Nigel be a casualty over time when Justin can play next year?
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Its frustrating when he doesn't hit shots, but Will defended pretty well. He does a great job managing his lack of athletic ability guarding really athletic guys; he really is very good at it now.
:sdeek: no he didn't
His good defense was Marcus Smart getting into foul trouble. Early in the game, before Smart went to the bench he was absolutely abusing Spradling. Smart had 7 of OSUs first 9 and I believe 14 in the first half on 5-8 shooting and 2 assists. The numbers don't tell the story, he constantly couldn't keep his man in front and Smart abused him in the post whenever he wanted to.
Westicles started the game on Smart and much of the game Thomas guarded him. Spradling was on Brown much of the game and didn't even guard Smart that much.
I guess FAN and I watched the same game. We do switch a lot so there are times our guys are guarding different people, but I saw Will guarding Brown a lot in the first half... and his only 1st half hoop was that horsecrap right at the end (and Will was on the bench or nowhere close to Brown)
Osu went small, but I did like that we played Foster and 2 other guards for 16 minutes together. Omari has his moments but I don't want Westicles/Omari playing 40 minutes combined and probably won't see Shane at the 3 and Nino at the 4 together in the game a lot
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Some guys come ready to play defense at this level and some don't. Nigel is smaller, but doesn't have the quickness of Thomas to compensate. Long term I think he'll be fine, but its going to take some time to adjust to the physical defense on the perimeter needed to guard good Big 12 guards. OSU also probably has the best perimeter in the Big 12, so I think it was safe of oscar not to throw Nigel out there for a bunch of minutes, especially since Thomas, Will, and Foster held their own defensively.
_FAN will Nigel be a casualty over time when Justin can play next year?
Wes should take Shane's minutes. The minutes lost by will and Shane should be plenty for Wesley, Nigel, and that jackass Hopper to share.
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_FAN will Nigel be a casualty over time when Justin can play next year?
I think Nigel will primarily be Jevon's back-up at PG and get a few minutes at the 2, so there will be an opportunity for at least 10-15 MPG and more if he plays well. IMHO he can be a solid scorer and eventually a 35%ish 3PT shooter and he's quick enough that defense should be fine once he figures it out. Justin will be a 2/3 and Marcus will be a 2/3, so there are some options there. Eventually Westicles is primarily the 4 spot if oscar continues to play small.
I guess FAN and I watched the same game. We do switch a lot so there are times our guys are guarding different people, but I saw Will guarding Brown a lot in the first half... and his only 1st half hoop was that horsecrap right at the end (and Will was on the bench or nowhere close to Brown)
Osu went small, but I did like that we played Foster and 2 other guards for 16 minutes together. Omari has his moments but I don't want Westicles/Omari playing 40 minutes combined and probably won't see Shane at the 3 and Nino at the 4 together in the game a lot
The switching point is a good one too. We switched a ton because OSU plays small too so IMHO its really tough to call out one guy's defense just by watching live. I'm sure I could go back and watch and see a lot more, but I had no impression that anyone defended particularly poorly and OSU has a pretty good stable of perimeter players, 4 guys scoring over 28 points per 100 possessions is impressive. I thought we held our own, and like I said in another thread, had we hit a few more makeable shots in the lane, we win by 8-10.
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dunno, I saw Will getting driven around plenty and Marcus Smart's ass firmly implanted on Will's hip in the post the first 10 minutes of he game, but who knows like you said it might have been something with the rotations too
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dunno, I saw Will getting driven around plenty and Marcus Smart's ass firmly implanted on Will's hip in the post the first 10 minutes of he game, but who knows like you said it might have been something with the rotations too
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Some guys come ready to play defense at this level and some don't. Nigel is smaller, but doesn't have the quickness of Thomas to compensate. Long term I think he'll be fine, but its going to take some time to adjust to the physical defense on the perimeter needed to guard good Big 12 guards. OSU also probably has the best perimeter in the Big 12, so I think it was safe of oscar not to throw Nigel out there for a bunch of minutes, especially since Thomas, Will, and Foster held their own defensively.
_FAN will Nigel be a casualty over time when Justin can play next year?
Wes should take Shane's minutes. The minutes lost by will and Shane should be plenty for Wesley, Nigel, and that jackass Hopper to share.
I was thinking we'd try to have Hurt and Gip on the floor at the same time next season? Or atleast I thought I heard oscar say that? Also was Edwards the one who was a dick at Bull Chicks?
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Some guys come ready to play defense at this level and some don't. Nigel is smaller, but doesn't have the quickness of Thomas to compensate. Long term I think he'll be fine, but its going to take some time to adjust to the physical defense on the perimeter needed to guard good Big 12 guards. OSU also probably has the best perimeter in the Big 12, so I think it was safe of oscar not to throw Nigel out there for a bunch of minutes, especially since Thomas, Will, and Foster held their own defensively.
_FAN will Nigel be a casualty over time when Justin can play next year?
Wes should take Shane's minutes. The minutes lost by will and Shane should be plenty for Wesley, Nigel, and that jackass Hopper to share.
Why don't you like Edwards?
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dunno, I saw Will getting driven around plenty and Marcus Smart's ass firmly implanted on Will's hip in the post the first 10 minutes of he game, but who knows like you said it might have been something with the rotations too
That's fair and I think when Will gets driven and beat (and he does 2-3 times a game) its easy to think Will played like crap. Then he plays a ton of forgettable (but solid) possessions and you only remember when someone made him look silly. Honestly, I tried to make a note of Will being physical and stopping the ball, especially against Brown who seems like he could get by Will whenever he wanted to and he didn't. So I did sort of watch and he did pretty well, especially when he was guarding guys that should make him look silly more than they did.
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fan(not attacking just curious) do you actually enjoy games or do you just sit there and breakdown whats going on the whole time?
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fan(not attacking just curious) do you actually enjoy games or do you just sit there and breakdown whats going on the whole time?
I enjoy it very much. Its difficult to run the ADV numbers live when I go to games (mainly due to the poor 4G access at the OOD though I still do some on my phone), so I pretty much watch with some breaking down in my head.
Sandstorm was very enjoyable today also.
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Why don't you like Edwards?
bullchicks - been brought up a couple times, dunno if i have the fortitude for search at the moment (3)
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Why don't you like Edwards?
bullchicks - been brought up a couple times, dunno if i have the fortitude for search at the moment (3)
T-Y.
MIR, care to explain further? I'll search in the meantime.
EDIT: Nevermind, found it. I remember that now.
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fan(not attacking just curious) do you actually enjoy games or do you just sit there and breakdown whats going on the whole time?
Sandstorm was very enjoyable today also.
when that came on my eyes lit up like simon cowell watching susan boyle
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26813.msg930041#msg930041 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26813.msg930041#msg930041)
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29528.msg947181#msg947181 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29528.msg947181#msg947181)
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Why don't you like Edwards?
bullchicks - been brought up a couple times, dunno if i have the fortitude for search at the moment (3)
T-Y.
MIR, care to explain further? I'll search in the meantime.
Essentially acting like everyone should know him and calling people "mah nigga"
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26813.msg930041#msg930041 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=26813.msg930041#msg930041)
http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29528.msg947181#msg947181 (http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=29528.msg947181#msg947181)
:thumbs:
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Why don't you like Edwards?
bullchicks - been brought up a couple times, dunno if i have the fortitude for search at the moment (3)
T-Y.
MIR, care to explain further? I'll search in the meantime.
Essentially acting like everyone should know him and calling people "mah nigga"
And that was over the summer? crap, no way I would have recognized him at that point.
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Canada and Maine had to be tough on him. I'm sure he's gotten better since being here. (hopefully)
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fan(not attacking just curious) do you actually enjoy games or do you just sit there and breakdown whats going on the whole time?
Sandstorm was very enjoyable today also.
Made me super jeals
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Why don't you like Edwards?
bullchicks - been brought up a couple times, dunno if i have the fortitude for search at the moment (3)
T-Y.
MIR, care to explain further? I'll search in the meantime.
Essentially acting like everyone should know him and calling people "mah nigga"
And that was over the summer? crap, no way I would have recognized him at that point.
I'm fairly certain it was the week that he and Bolden got to Manhattan
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Why don't you like Edwards?
bullchicks - been brought up a couple times, dunno if i have the fortitude for search at the moment (3)
T-Y.
MIR, care to explain further? I'll search in the meantime.
Essentially acting like everyone should know him and calling people "mah nigga"
And that was over the summer? crap, no way I would have recognized him at that point.
I'm fairly certain it was the week that he and Bolden got to Manhattan
What a dumbass. I mean, he played for rough ridin' MAINE. Not saying he won't be good, but no one knows about or watches Maine basketball..
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I actually like the Black Bears and would have loved to talk to him about Orono and how elite Maine is. I do look forward to seeing him play for us. Maine blew when he was there but he stood out.
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2nd half, Brown and Smart had just 2 FGs. Brown had a layup, in transistion 5 seconds after Gip turned the ball over. Smart's only FG was his dunk, where he dunked, pulled himself up chin-up style, slapped his hand on the backboard, then held his eye and faked like he hit his head on the rim (Cmon ref, I hit my eye on the rim and was just protecting myself...LOL)
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Will just has a few series of posessions where he just absolutely sucks so hard it is difficult to think he played well. There was one where shane or someone steals the inbounds...it goes to will who fucks up and can't do crap with the ball turns it over (I think) then osu gets a runout and will fouls (brown I think). Anyway, it is a shame nigel's defense is worse than will's because I hate our offense when jevon and will are in at the same time.
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I can't wait until next year's threads about JACKK.
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I can't wait until next year's threads about JACKK.
Krap is getting Bruced
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
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Can you imagine how sick of Foster, Thomas, and Westicles the rest of the conference will be three years from now!?
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
:lol:
so true. We just remember how they hit 3's against your favorite team..then remember how it felt like it was many seasons ago
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
People said it about Jake
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
People said it about Jake
I think it about Nash
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
People said it about Jake
Lockett in football too.
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True, but I hear it more often about white kids. Probably heard someone say that about Page literally 100 times.
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Happens often with role players like Page. They're less of a household name so it's easier to lose track of their year, they're not good enough to go league so they stick around 4 years, and for some reason they're usually small and white.
Two that stick out for me are Piatkowski for Nubb and Jake Sullivan. I swear Sullivan was at ISU for 7 years.
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How has no one mentioned Morningstar yet?
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How has no one mentioned Morningstar yet?
Good point, that's the obvious one.
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I'm kind of scared Nigel will transfer. He looks so sad over there on the bench guys :frown:
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How has no one mentioned Morningstar yet?
Because he was in the clink half the time
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I'm kind of scared Nigel will transfer. He looks so sad over there on the bench guys :frown:
Yeah I mentioned his sadness after the GW game. Feel bad for the kid. Really like him too. Exceeded my expectations.
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I'm kind of scared Nigel will transfer. He looks so sad over there on the bench guys :frown:
:(
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I actually like the Black Bears and would have loved to talk to him about Orono and how elite Maine is. I do look forward to seeing him play for us. Maine blew when he was there but he stood out.
Maybe Tay will have a positive influence on our former black bear.
Hopper ?@Justedwards14 18m
Nothing like having managers and GA's willing to workout whenever shoutout to Big Country and @NVOXO3 #KStateMBB
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
Friend on twitter:
Pretty sure Aaron Craft has been playing for Ohio State for like 9 years
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Is Spradling a 7th year sophmore? Dudes been there since 2005
Everyone says this about the white kids. Keaton Paige, Heslip, Spradling, etc... (Don't anyone rough ridin' :opcat: me, you know it's rough ridin' true)
Friend on twitter:
Pretty sure Aaron Craft has been playing for Ohio State for like 9 years
One minute later, someone else I follow on twitter:
Aaron Craft seriously has to be in his eleventeenth year.