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Title: The Bowl Game
Post by: kso_FAN on December 27, 2013, 12:03:06 AM
Go to the bottom, or whatever. (http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=3266)
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: star seed 7 on December 27, 2013, 12:04:22 AM
I want to win.

 :thumbs:
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: bones129 on December 27, 2013, 12:05:31 AM

We will win.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: The Big Train on December 27, 2013, 12:05:58 AM
Fantastic break-down _FAN.  :ksu:
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Michiganisstillgood on December 27, 2013, 12:19:58 AM
". However, I look for Michigan to rely more heavily on their trio of backs and hope their offensive line can control K-State’s adequate (but not great) defensive front 7 to protect Morris as much as possible."

 :lol:

Our OL is horrible, and we've rushed for negative yards in like 4 games. The only reason we average 3.25ypc is because Gardner usually picks up a few long scrambles a game.

With that said, I have no doubt Borges will try to run almost exclusively, he ran our RB's 27 times against PSU.....for 27yds.  :Crybaby:

I can't wait for him to get fired, our only chance is just to just try to air out with the freshman and use our frosh RB's as a change of pace.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: bones129 on December 27, 2013, 12:22:16 AM
". However, I look for Michigan to rely more heavily on their trio of backs and hope their offensive line can control K-State’s adequate (but not great) defensive front 7 to protect Morris as much as possible."

 :lol:

Our OL is horrible, and we've rushed for negative yards in like 4 games. The only reason we average 3.25ypc is because Gardner usually picks up a few long scrambles a game.

With that said, I have no doubt Borges will try to run almost exclusively, he ran our RB's 27 times against PSU.....for 27yds.  :Crybaby:

I can't wait for him to get fired, our only chance is just to just try to air out with the freshman and use our frosh RB's as a change of pace.

Game plan.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 27, 2013, 01:35:25 AM
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I had to get rid of it faster than I wanted to, I just laid it up there
yeah.... I bet you did ell
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: scottwildcat on December 27, 2013, 07:33:57 AM
_FAN is a treasure we are so lucky to have him
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: puniraptor on December 27, 2013, 08:45:10 AM
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Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: kso_FAN on December 27, 2013, 09:22:29 AM
". However, I look for Michigan to rely more heavily on their trio of backs and hope their offensive line can control K-State’s adequate (but not great) defensive front 7 to protect Morris as much as possible."

 :lol:

Our OL is horrible, and we've rushed for negative yards in like 4 games. The only reason we average 3.25ypc is because Gardner usually picks up a few long scrambles a game.

With that said, I have no doubt Borges will try to run almost exclusively, he ran our RB's 27 times against PSU.....for 27yds.  :Crybaby:

I can't wait for him to get fired, our only chance is just to just try to air out with the freshman and use our frosh RB's as a change of pace.

Good points. I do think Michigan faced better run defenses than they will see against us, though we aren't terrible. I'm also anxious to see if you guys are willing to run Morris, especially some of the zone/power read/speed option stuff that you seemed to use often near the goalline. Gardner reminds me of a more polished/experienced Daniel Sams; elusive, but more quick than fast. He also looks to have a better arm throwing down the field, but your OC did do a good job getting him on boots and roll outs where he could run it when needed. The Gallon kid is scary, if he can get the ball in space you guys will get some big plays against the K-State defense, and the backs can make some plays as well.

Was Toussaint hurt down the stretch?
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Cartierfor3 on December 27, 2013, 10:10:00 AM
What happened to Cantele again?

Thing that concerns me most was the way our offense played at KU. No rhythm, no accuracy in the passing game, poor protection, and it just seemed that the entire unit was out of sync.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: catzacker on December 27, 2013, 10:20:46 AM
". However, I look for Michigan to rely more heavily on their trio of backs and hope their offensive line can control K-State’s adequate (but not great) defensive front 7 to protect Morris as much as possible."

 :lol:

Our OL is horrible, and we've rushed for negative yards in like 4 games. The only reason we average 3.25ypc is because Gardner usually picks up a few long scrambles a game.

With that said, I have no doubt Borges will try to run almost exclusively, he ran our RB's 27 times against PSU.....for 27yds.  :Crybaby:

I can't wait for him to get fired, our only chance is just to just try to air out with the freshman and use our frosh RB's as a change of pace.

If your coaches think you can't run against our defense then you deserve that Ohio school to butt hump you forever.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: catzacker on December 27, 2013, 10:22:41 AM
Go to the bottom, or whatever. (http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=3266)

I see you stayed away from picking the Cats to score more than 39.   :fatty:
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: slimz on December 27, 2013, 11:49:22 AM
 :thumbs:

Interesting that you think they'll top the O/U (54.5) fairly easily (65). I really don't see the game score going so high, given Michigan's offensive woes and Snyder's terribly slow-starting bowl game offenses over the past several years. My likely scenario is that we come out slow, have a bad turnover on their half of the field, they run it somewhat effectively, and we go into halftime with something like a 10-7 lead. Second half each team scores 14-17 points, and the Cats wind up winning 27-21 or so.

Whether this is a close win/loss or blowout Cats win depends on whether Waters hits deep passes. Headed into this, it has the feel of a game to me where the turning point could be a Waters pass on the money early in the 2nd quarter for a long TD that starts a rout, or a Waters overthrow at that point that we look back on as a missed opportunity that led to a nailbiter/loss. The coaches seem to love the deep pass, and they have been real momentum plays for us (both ways), so I think they come into play significantly again.

The pessimist side of me says that Michigan's QB situation/supposedly weak run game has all the makings of a Michigan run game domination of our defense, so let's hope Michigan's really bad enough that it won't matter what kind of crappy effort ol' Chicken Lips puts out there. 
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Belvis Noland on December 27, 2013, 11:50:27 AM
What happened to Cantele again?


It's a mystery, it seems.  Haven't been able to find an answer. 
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: slimz on December 27, 2013, 12:01:59 PM
What happened to Cantele again?


It's a mystery, it seems.  Haven't been able to find an answer.

Eye hernia.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: steve dave on December 27, 2013, 12:41:22 PM

What happened to Cantele again?


It's a mystery, it seems.  Haven't been able to find an answer.

Had surgery for something or something
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: jc_jax on December 27, 2013, 01:12:56 PM
Do we know if Zimmerman is playing?  That seems to be huge factor on whether we have a good run defense or not.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: 8manpick on December 27, 2013, 01:23:45 PM

What happened to Cantele again?


It's a mystery, it seems.  Haven't been able to find an answer.

Had surgery for something or something

Hip surgery IIRC
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 27, 2013, 01:41:46 PM
What is the O/U on Waters turnovers?  I will say 2.5
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Unruly on December 27, 2013, 02:08:26 PM
I don't even know why you try FAN.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55vypYP3Ow4
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: CNS on December 27, 2013, 02:10:36 PM
Do we know if Zimmerman is playing?  That seems to be huge factor on whether we have a good run defense or not.

Kellis' article from yesterday has a Zimm interview in it.  He is playing and says he feels further along than he did for last years bowl game.  Said he spent his down time studying Michigan and their shitty offense.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Trogdor on December 27, 2013, 02:48:47 PM
I don't even know why you try FAN.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=55vypYP3Ow4
4

EMAW :emawkid:
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: fun muffin on December 27, 2013, 03:44:04 PM
Go to the bottom, or whatever. (http://goEMAW.com/blog/?p=3266)

i read it fan.  good stuff.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
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Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: kso_FAN on December 27, 2013, 05:19:47 PM
This is a really good preview (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/12/27/5229768/buffalo-wild-wings-bowl-preview-kansas-state-michigan) by Bill Connelly, an advanced FB stats guy writing for SBNation.

As I think of this game (and watch Michigan highlights via youtube), I keep going back to Michigan's running game. I'll take Michisstillgood's pessimistic home fan breakdown for what it is, but my biggest key for Michigan's offense is what can Shane Morris do?

Gardner was such a huge key for Michigan because of his mobility and Morris simply doesn't have the same thing. I went back and found Morris' maxpreps HS stats; he only ran for 170 yards on 157 carries for his HS career (1.08 yards per) and two years (SR and FR) he finished with negative rush yardage. His peak JR year (before he got sick with mono his SR year) he rushed for 150 yards, just over 2 ypc and 6 TDs; again this was in high school. This is simply not a guy who is going to be a threat to run and Michigan was keyed this year in their successful games by Gardner's ability to make plays with his feet and run it, or throw down field to Gallon and Funchess. Unless the Michigan offensive line made miraculous improvement in their bowl prep, this just looks ugly for Michigan's offense. Granted, Morris has been practicing since the Ohio State game because of Gardner's injury, but its clear that its only in the last 10 or so days that the Gardner not playing became a reality, so a Morris based game plan has only been put together in the last week or so.

K-State needs to take advantage of what it can in the passing game, and as I watch Michigan's clips Lockett will get open at times against this secondary. It also appears that many of the quarterbacks in the Big 10 are prone to throwing some of the dumbest, most forced passes that I've seen (much worse than anything we saw from Waters or Sams this year) leading to many of the INTs Michigan gained this year. We'll see if that is just my perception or reality. I'm hopeful Sams will see some time at QB (at least 3 series), but I think Waters could have a 250+ yard, 3 TD game against this defense. Lockett likely going for 150+ and 2 TDs.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: kso_FAN on December 27, 2013, 05:38:59 PM
FWIW, here is Connelly's K-State preview (http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/6/17/4432702/kansas-state-football-2013-preview-schedule-roster) from last summer. He nailed a lot of things, especially the Cats' offensive line play from this year, but also the Cats still managing to have a pretty good offense.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Michiganisstillgood on December 28, 2013, 11:04:54 AM
". However, I look for Michigan to rely more heavily on their trio of backs and hope their offensive line can control K-State’s adequate (but not great) defensive front 7 to protect Morris as much as possible."

 :lol:

Our OL is horrible, and we've rushed for negative yards in like 4 games. The only reason we average 3.25ypc is because Gardner usually picks up a few long scrambles a game.

With that said, I have no doubt Borges will try to run almost exclusively, he ran our RB's 27 times against PSU.....for 27yds.  :Crybaby:

I can't wait for him to get fired, our only chance is just to just try to air out with the freshman and use our frosh RB's as a change of pace.

Good points. I do think Michigan faced better run defenses than they will see against us, though we aren't terrible. I'm also anxious to see if you guys are willing to run Morris, especially some of the zone/power read/speed option stuff that you seemed to use often near the goalline. Gardner reminds me of a more polished/experienced Daniel Sams; elusive, but more quick than fast. He also looks to have a better arm throwing down the field, but your OC did do a good job getting him on boots and roll outs where he could run it when needed. The Gallon kid is scary, if he can get the ball in space you guys will get some big plays against the K-State defense, and the backs can make some plays as well.

Was Toussaint hurt down the stretch?

No, he just sucked.

Well, really the OL sucked so bad that he could never "get going" Toussaint is a good runner in space, a guy recruited for the Rich  Rod spread. With our OL he could never get any space so his runs would be like -3,-2,-1,12,8,-3,-2,-3,10.

We eventually started giving more carries to our 2 freshman who are more "between the tackle runners", this helped a bit as they can get 2/3yds out of nothing, which is typically what they have to work with.
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: 8manpick on December 28, 2013, 02:21:52 PM
Enjoyed the Connelly preview, thanks
Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: kso_FAN on December 29, 2013, 04:39:25 PM
Okay, one more boastful bump. :D

As I think of this game (and watch Michigan highlights via youtube), I keep going back to Michigan's running game. I'll take Michisstillgood's pessimistic home fan breakdown for what it is, but my biggest key for Michigan's offense is what can Shane Morris do?

Gardner was such a huge key for Michigan because of his mobility and Morris simply doesn't have the same thing. I went back and found Morris' maxpreps HS stats; he only ran for 170 yards on 157 carries for his HS career (1.08 yards per) and two years (SR and FR) he finished with negative rush yardage. His peak JR year (before he got sick with mono his SR year) he rushed for 150 yards, just over 2 ypc and 6 TDs; again this was in high school. This is simply not a guy who is going to be a threat to run and Michigan was keyed this year in their successful games by Gardner's ability to make plays with his feet and run it, or throw down field to Gallon and Funchess. Unless the Michigan offensive line made miraculous improvement in their bowl prep, this just looks ugly for Michigan's offense. Granted, Morris has been practicing since the Ohio State game because of Gardner's injury, but its clear that its only in the last 10 or so days that the Gardner not playing became a reality, so a Morris based game plan has only been put together in the last week or so.

K-State needs to take advantage of what it can in the passing game, and as I watch Michigan's clips Lockett will get open at times against this secondary. It also appears that many of the quarterbacks in the Big 10 are prone to throwing some of the dumbest, most forced passes that I've seen (much worse than anything we saw from Waters or Sams this year) leading to many of the INTs Michigan gained this year. We'll see if that is just my perception or reality. I'm hopeful Sams will see some time at QB (at least 3 series), but I think Waters could have a 250+ yard, 3 TD game against this defense. Lockett likely going for 150+ and 2 TDs.

Title: Re: The Bowl Game
Post by: Hurricane Cat on December 29, 2013, 07:19:58 PM
Okay, one more boastful bump. :D

As I think of this game (and watch Michigan highlights via youtube), I keep going back to Michigan's running game. I'll take Michisstillgood's pessimistic home fan breakdown for what it is, but my biggest key for Michigan's offense is what can Shane Morris do?

Gardner was such a huge key for Michigan because of his mobility and Morris simply doesn't have the same thing. I went back and found Morris' maxpreps HS stats; he only ran for 170 yards on 157 carries for his HS career (1.08 yards per) and two years (SR and FR) he finished with negative rush yardage. His peak JR year (before he got sick with mono his SR year) he rushed for 150 yards, just over 2 ypc and 6 TDs; again this was in high school. This is simply not a guy who is going to be a threat to run and Michigan was keyed this year in their successful games by Gardner's ability to make plays with his feet and run it, or throw down field to Gallon and Funchess. Unless the Michigan offensive line made miraculous improvement in their bowl prep, this just looks ugly for Michigan's offense. Granted, Morris has been practicing since the Ohio State game because of Gardner's injury, but its clear that its only in the last 10 or so days that the Gardner not playing became a reality, so a Morris based game plan has only been put together in the last week or so.

K-State needs to take advantage of what it can in the passing game, and as I watch Michigan's clips Lockett will get open at times against this secondary. It also appears that many of the quarterbacks in the Big 10 are prone to throwing some of the dumbest, most forced passes that I've seen (much worse than anything we saw from Waters or Sams this year) leading to many of the INTs Michigan gained this year. We'll see if that is just my perception or reality. I'm hopeful Sams will see some time at QB (at least 3 series), but I think Waters could have a 250+ yard, 3 TD game against this defense. Lockett likely going for 150+ and 2 TDs.

 :thumbs: