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Title: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 10, 2013, 09:22:46 PM
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South Dakota came into the game shooting 44.1%. Cats came in allowing 43.6%.

1-6 on FTs in the final minute.

Awful paint defense (SD shoots 60% on 2s).

Fortunate to win.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Powercat Posse on December 10, 2013, 09:36:21 PM
During SD's 13-0 run in the first half... we were 0-10FG with 7 TOs.  Just brutally bad.  Also missed 8 of final 11 FTs.

18 off rebounds may be the only nice thing that came from this game
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 10, 2013, 09:37:03 PM
we are really bad.. there isn't anything we do well
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: CNS on December 10, 2013, 09:44:39 PM
Really glad shane took my suggestion to use his old twitter time to find his shot again.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 10, 2013, 09:48:01 PM
Has anyone realized that _fence's thread titles are a complete tour de force in how to title a thread?  The guy is a master at this and we are just ugly fools who he shares it with.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: CNS on December 10, 2013, 09:48:25 PM
They are great.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: catzacker on December 10, 2013, 09:51:25 PM
Wish we had a coach who emphasized making free throws.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 10, 2013, 09:54:01 PM
Wish we had a coach who emphasized making free throws.
how does one, coach free throw shooting?
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: 0.42 on December 10, 2013, 09:58:54 PM
considering USD is a bottom 50 team in division 1 when it comes to raw talent this result is pretty stunning, even for oscar.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 10, 2013, 10:04:43 PM
considering USD is a bottom 50 team in division 1 when it comes to raw talent this result is pretty stunning, even for oscar.

Now, let's keep in mind these wily Coyotes took Wyoming to OT, hung with a fine Air Force squad, and stayed within 5 of Canisius (Freddy Asprilla, alum). Also a solid road win in Texas.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: catzacker on December 10, 2013, 10:11:10 PM
Wish we had a coach who emphasized making free throws.
how does one, coach free throw shooting?

A real X's and O's coach would figure out a way. 
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 10, 2013, 10:15:10 PM
The number of games that this team has come out flat this year is pretty terrifying. If we're not going to be talented, it would at least be nice to see us try to make up for that with effort. When Nino let that pass go right through his hands and then just watched as the ball slowly bounced to an opposing player who took it down for a score, I went rough ridin' nuts. I really wish I didn't care as much as I do about Cats basketball  :frown:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 10, 2013, 10:17:17 PM
Wish we had a coach who emphasized making free throws.
how does one, coach free throw shooting?

A real X's and O's coach would figure out a way.

Quote
I never understood fans blaming coaches for bad FT shooting. They're damn FTs. Kids should take pride in their craft. They're free points.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Dr. Phil on December 10, 2013, 10:17:47 PM
The number of games that this team has come out flat this year is pretty terrifying. If we're not going to be talented, it would at least be nice to see us try to make up for that with effort. When Nino let that pass go right through his hands and then just watched as the ball slowly bounced to an opposing player who took it down for a score, I went rough ridin' nuts. I really wish I didn't care as much as I do about Cats basketball  :frown:

That's ok.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 10, 2013, 10:18:36 PM
 :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: 0.42 on December 10, 2013, 10:26:34 PM
considering USD is a bottom 50 team in division 1 when it comes to raw talent this result is pretty stunning, even for oscar.

Now, let's keep in mind these wily Coyotes took Wyoming to OT, hung with a fine Air Force squad, and stayed within 5 of Canisius (Freddy Asprilla, alum). Also a solid road win in Texas.

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Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: AndrewVonLintel on December 10, 2013, 10:32:43 PM
Guys we have won two straight games against better teams!!!!!

I was about ready to rush the  court!!!!!!!!
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 10, 2013, 10:34:29 PM
considering USD is a bottom 50 team in division 1 when it comes to raw talent this result is pretty stunning, even for oscar.

Now, let's keep in mind these wily Coyotes took Wyoming to OT, hung with a fine Air Force squad, and stayed within 5 of Canisius (Freddy Asprilla, alum). Also a solid road win in Texas.

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Been some pretty good coaches come through that program in Texas.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: 0.42 on December 10, 2013, 10:40:11 PM
 :eye:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: cDubya on December 10, 2013, 10:48:36 PM
I really wish I didn't care as much as I do about Cats basketball  :frown:

I can't count how many times I've said this to my Dad about WVU sports (mainly basketball/football).

 :Cheers: :drink:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) on December 10, 2013, 10:59:47 PM
We got Higgins'd!

Seriously, our transition defense was atrocious and we weren't even trying on defense for about half the game.  I'm starting to expect poor ft shooting, but we should have shot about 20 more and won easily.  We were getting mauled when attacking the rim and nothing was getting called.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: sys on December 10, 2013, 11:03:18 PM
i used to enjoy kstate basketball very, very much.   :frown:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: ksupamplemousse on December 10, 2013, 11:06:55 PM
i used to enjoy kstate basketball very, very much.   :frown:

I feel bad for the students in the crowd tonight who did their best to will our team to victory. I remember doing that for almost every game that Jim Wooldridge coached in Bramlage. I thought if I just really brought it every night, that eventually Jim and the Cats would make it worth my while. They never did, oscar and the Cats will do the same thing to all the #1cats at K-State right now, they'll break your goddam heart.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: SwiftCat on December 10, 2013, 11:10:08 PM
Didn't watch the second half. Feel pretty good about that decision.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on December 11, 2013, 12:10:07 AM
Wish we had a coach who emphasized making free throws.
how does one, coach free throw shooting?

A real X's and O's coach would figure out a way.
Yeah, frank and hugs had this down to a tee. :flush:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: catzacker on December 11, 2013, 06:29:34 AM
Wish we had a coach who emphasized making free throws.
how does one, coach free throw shooting?

A real X's and O's coach would figure out a way.
Yeah, frank and hugs had this down to a tee. :flush:

I know, right?  now that we have a certified X's and O's coach our FT% should be pretty awesome and really help us close out games.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: pissclams on December 11, 2013, 07:22:17 AM
it got so bad that we were running our inbounds plays to gipson
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2013, 08:31:26 AM
our brand of basketball is awful to watch.  Not entertaining at all.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2013, 08:40:29 AM
our brand of basketball is awful to watch.  Not entertaining at all.

#bruceketball's most entertaining assets are raining 3s, getting open shots within the offense (leading to a high assist%), and creating steals/turnovers.

When none of those things happens at a high rate it is pretty awful to watch.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Dugout DickStone on December 11, 2013, 08:44:36 AM
our brand of basketball is awful to watch.  Not entertaining at all.

#bruceketball's most entertaining assets are raining 3s, getting open shots within the offense (leading to a high assist%), and creating steals/turnovers.

When none of those things happens at a high rate it is pretty awful to watch.


I like each of those things very much
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 11, 2013, 08:51:36 AM
Fan, tell me one thing I might've missed to make me feel better about the cats..  I did enjoy Omari's play he played decent and actually finished at a very high percent around the rim for him


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Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2013, 08:56:19 AM
Fan, tell me one thing I might've missed to make me feel better about the cats..  I did enjoy Omari's play he played decent and actually finished at a very high percent around the rim for him


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I really like watching Marcus Foster and Gip (on offense anyway). Shane had moments of good and moments of bad. Omari was a nice 2nd half spark. I still like little Johnson, he just needs to hit more of those open threes (he's not shy about shooting them though).

Will was pretty terrible; the TO, bad transition defense, "and 1" sequence was particularly brutal. He had a huge opportunity to hit a wide open 3 to give us some distance late and missed. Westicles was non existent. DJamer wasn't real good either.

Overall just a terrible defensive performance and again indicative of the upperclass having very little leadership on this team. Just like No Colorado this team came out and coasted (especially on the defensive end) which let a clearly inferior team hang around.

I don't know if that answers your question or not. The positive of this team is definitely the frosh.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: CNS on December 11, 2013, 09:04:06 AM
I really like foster too.  That said, last night, when he didn't have the ball he often would basically just stand on the wing and wait until it was passed back around to him.  I imagine this is some great x and o offensive scheme that I am not picking up on, but it seems like our offensive scheme is more of a train wreck than the Frank's o was pre brad introducing his.

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Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2013, 09:05:24 AM
I really like foster too.  That said, last night, when he didn't have the ball he often would basically just stand on the wing and wait until it was passed back around to him.  I imagine this is some great x and o offensive scheme that I am not picking up on, but it seems like our offensive scheme is more of a train wreck than the Frank's o was pre brad introducing his.

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oscar did the same thing at times with Rodney last year. Basically run a 4 man motion to use clock, then run some sort of set at the end of the shot clock to get a look that involved the best scorer. Its part of his offense.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2013, 09:24:12 AM
...GUT CHECK...

                                                 
...THIS TIME WE WON...

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Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2013, 09:35:43 AM
well I guess the by the numbers stat is encouraging.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2013, 09:58:26 AM
well I guess the by the numbers stat is encouraging.

This graphic would be really cool if they threw in a few advanced stats and the SID used it a tool to educate our fans about such stats. JMHO.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: scottwildcat on December 11, 2013, 10:00:19 AM
well I guess the by the numbers stat is encouraging.

This graphic would be really cool if they threw in a few advanced stats and the SID used it a tool to educate our fans about such stats. JMHO.

send them an email!
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: EMAWican on December 11, 2013, 10:07:49 AM
I continually get this nagging thought that this team thinks it's better than they actually are and try to coast.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Cire on December 11, 2013, 11:48:17 AM
well I guess the by the numbers stat is encouraging.

This graphic would be really cool if they threw in a few advanced stats and the SID used it a tool to educate our fans about such stats. JMHO.

would throw the tucks for a loop.

Remember how crazy awful wooly's close game record was?
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Stevesie60 on December 11, 2013, 01:49:35 PM
Fan, tell me one thing I might've missed to make me feel better about the cats..  I did enjoy Omari's play he played decent and actually finished at a very high percent around the rim for him


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Will was pretty terrible; the TO, bad transition defense, "and 1" sequence was particularly brutal. He had a huge opportunity to hit a wide open 3 to give us some distance late and missed.

When Weber pulled him he yelled at him about not playing like a senior. He didn't put him back in for a while, IIRC.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: EllRobersonisInnocent on December 11, 2013, 01:52:43 PM
The only reason I stayed till the end of the game last night was in hopes that I'd catch a free t-shirt
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: michigancat on December 11, 2013, 01:56:45 PM
well I guess the by the numbers stat is encouraging.

This graphic would be really cool if they threw in a few advanced stats and the SID used it a tool to educate our fans about such stats. JMHO.

warriors are starting to do some cool stuff in this vein:

http://www.nba.com/warriors/blogs/mocap/11182013

http://www.nba.com/warriors/blogs/dotcom/20131206

Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 11, 2013, 02:05:18 PM
fan, do you think you could find a bigger sig pic? because that would be awesome
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: pissclams on December 11, 2013, 02:10:04 PM
fan, do you think you could find a bigger sig pic? because that would be awesome
he's become "one of those guys"    :bang: -  what a complete prick. 
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: yoga-like_abana on December 11, 2013, 02:11:47 PM
fan, do you think you could find a bigger sig pic? because that would be awesome
he's become "one of those guys"    :bang: -  what a complete prick.
its just so typical of him nowadays.
oh look at me.. look at this arrow.. look at my charts and these percentages..

 :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: kso_FAN on December 11, 2013, 02:12:03 PM
fan, do you think you could find a bigger sig pic? because that would be awesome
he's become "one of those guys"    :bang: -  what a complete prick. 

Apologies. That was pretty ridiculous and I don't notice because I turn sig pics off.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: sys on December 11, 2013, 04:05:15 PM
kstate did a good job of reversing their horrible first half to% and poor deboarding% in the second half.  they turned in dominant numbers in both those categories in the second half, good enough for the win, despite still not being able to do much about their efg (at least not without fouling them).
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: michigancat on December 11, 2013, 04:21:33 PM
wait, did we really turn it over 40% of the time in the first half? My goodness.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Clevey 2 Times on December 12, 2013, 01:13:14 PM
Guys, for the first time in my life, I wanted us to lose that game as I watched. I didn't like the feeling.

oscar in the postgame with Stanbot was pathetic. He seemed happy. He's a real bastard.

You don't win with 3 star talent (at best) by being a nice guy.
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: Skipper44 on December 12, 2013, 03:27:22 PM
I wonder how giving up multiple fastbreaks off missed shots to a team of Dakotanians is scored on the play hard chart
Title: Re: Coyote Ugly; South Dakota ADV
Post by: MakeItRain on December 12, 2013, 04:42:00 PM
Guys, for the first time in my life, I wanted us to lose that game as I watched. I didn't like the feeling.

oscar in the postgame with Stanbot was pathetic. He seemed happy. He's a real bastard.

Me too, and I don't feel bad about it. I am pissed that I'm reduced to cheering for losses in inconsequential games in hopes that players and fans learn some lesson.