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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Lucas Scoopsalot on November 17, 2013, 06:03:42 PM
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To a point where it is sad really. I want to bring the anger back, I really do, but one man can't do it himself. :Crybaby:
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It will be back, we just have to wait out weber.
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oscar will never be an anger merchant. Sad.
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I miss it too.
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yeah, games were way more fun to watch on tv when the people were angry
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It's gone. We need to find a new identity
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Never coming back.
Octagon of Apathy?
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The Irregular Shape Of Perfectly Ordinary In Every Conceivable Way aka The ISOPOIECW
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Octagon of a Loser Awkward chicken nuggets-loving Coach
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It's The Bram.
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To a point where it is sad really. I want to bring the anger back, I really do, but one man can't do it himself. :Crybaby:
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Seems like the Doom part was rapidly exiting the building while Frank was still around, unless Frankites have forgetten the 4 conference clown suitings at home in Frank's last year.
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Seems like the Doom part was rapidly exiting the building while Frank was still around, unless Frankites have forgetten the 4 conference clown suitings at home in Frank's last year.
This is true, but there were still hints of the OOD. Now it's completely gone.
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Octagon of Excuse Me Can You Scoot Down a Little So We Can All Spread Out
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Octagon of can I get you anything while I am up getting a friendship house beirock
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Octagon of can I get you anything while I am up getting a friendship house beirock
They serve beirocks? Heck, I would go just for the fOOD.
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octagon of i'm not going to stand up for the tshirt toss but i'm not going to complain if one lands in my lap
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It'll never be back if your attitudes don't change. And I mean pronto pal.
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Oh look, another thread in which dax brings up Frank!
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Oh look, another thread in which dax brings up Frank!
Hey, Kougs is mad again.
Sad
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Oh look, another thread in which dax brings up Frank!
Hey, Kougs is mad again.
Sad
I'm not mad, I'm sad. Sad you hate Frank so much. Sad. It's very sad.
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Oh look, another thread in which dax brings up Frank!
Hey, Kougs is mad again.
Sad
I'm not mad, I'm sad. Sad you hate Frank so much. Sad. It's very sad.
Reality is reality. Frank went 4-4 in conference at the rbtfOOD (in the midst of going 11-10 from January until th end) and at least told people to rise and prepare to exit (as he put together his final exit plan).
So, butthurt Frankites have can start the "I miss the OOD" blame game on their hero.
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Yeah, I agree. Frank really bitched out.
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Oh look, another thread in which dax brings up Frank!
Hey, Kougs is mad again.
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I'm not mad, I'm sad. Sad you hate Frank so much. Sad. It's very sad.
Reality is reality. Frank went 4-4 in conference at the rbtfOOD (in the midst of going 11-10 from January until th end) and at least told people to rise and prepare to exit (as he put together his final exit plan).
So, butthurt Frankites have can start the "I miss the OOD" blame game on their hero.
Whose fault the loss of the OOD is is irrelevant to a simple thread lamenting said loss, actually.
Sad that every conversation has to fall back to Frank for you. Very sad, frankly. As sad as it gets. Sad.
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No, it's just laughable to read the implication(s) that the fOOD fell off a cliff when Frank finally hit the eject button.
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No, it's just laughable to read the implication(s) that the fOOD fell off a cliff when Frank finally hit the eject button.
that implication is in your head you sad, sad person.
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No really. The Frankite Butthurt Express is nuclear powered and won't need a refueling for awhile.
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No really. The Frankite Butthurt Express is nuclear powered and won't need a refueling for awhile.
Show me where Frank touched you
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Dax is right, basketball fan support and Bram atmosphere is just as high as when Frank was here.
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Dax is right, basketball fan support and Bram atmosphere is just as high as when Frank was here.
its not but some of those non-con games in with Frank were pretty bad.
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I've saved a lot of money in gas since the Weber hire. So there's that I guess. :Woot:
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I've saved a lot of money in gas since the Weber hire. So there's that I guess. :Woot:
will you even go to a game this year if your car doesn't break down for a week and a half?
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
Your fallacy is assuming oscar hate can't exist independently of Frank worship.
It's sad how you fail to grasp this very simple concept. So sad. Really sad!
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I've saved a lot of money in gas since the Weber hire. So there's that I guess. :Woot:
will you even go to a game this year if your car doesn't break down for a week and a half?
Probably not. Do they play in KC this year? Oh, they don't?! Yeah, then no.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
Your fallacy is assuming oscar hate can't exist independently of Frank worship.
It's sad how you fail to grasp this very simple concept. So sad. Really sad!
LOL, you hate oscar because he's not Frank. No amount of "well they could have hired _____" is going to change that. The vast majority of fap festing regarding coaches around here, is done over coaches who will never take a single breath sitting on the K-State bench and will never want to.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
You can pretend like charisma and style of play don't matter at all in college basketball, but it's rough ridin' stupid to think that. Frank said awesome things, he recruited players who said awesome things, and they all had the swag that made you feel like the Cats were going to win every goddam game they played in (even thought that obviously didn't happen). Frank's teams played with an intensity on defense that MADE you love the team, they left it all out on the court about 95% of the time. oscar can't replicate the aspects of Frank and his teams that made us fall in love with the basketcats all over again, so people are obviously going to feel a little withdrawn from the program. Has nothing to do with butthurt.
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LOL, you hate oscar because he's not Frank.
Until you understand that that is simply incorrect, you'll never stop failing. Which is so very, very...sad.
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LOL, you hate oscar because he's not Frank.
Until you understand that that is simply incorrect, you'll never stop failing. Which is so very, very...sad.
Manufactured beliefs are the most unhealthy beliefs Kougs.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
You can pretend like charisma and style of play don't matter at all in college basketball, but it's rough ridin' stupid to think that. Frank said awesome things, he recruited players who said awesome things, and they all had the swag that made you feel like the Cats were going to win every goddam game they played in (even thought that obviously didn't happen). Frank's teams played with an intensity on defense that MADE you love the team, they left it all out on the court about 95% of the time. oscar can't replicate the aspects of Frank and his teams that made us fall in love with the basketcats all over again, so people are obviously going to feel a little withdrawn from the program. Has nothing to do with butthurt.
There's been a lot of very charismatic yet generally mediocre to slightly above mediocre coaches in the history of college basketball, and IMO Frank will go down as one of them. One could easily argue that the trendline of K-State basketball when Frank got the job, and when Frank left the job were headed in opposite directions. Which is the reason he needed to conjure up the rift with Currie.
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The atmosphere will probably never be quite the same as it was under Frank. Frank's persona become the program and it carried over to the fans. It was fun to be a part of.
However.
The atmosphere will be much more dependent on winning and losing and fans showing up than it will whoever the coach is. It was still very good last year when people showed up because they were cheering on a conference title contender. Right now its not very good, but if this team wins/competes, there will still be 10K+ fans showing up once games get better and the crowd will be fine. I'm sure the crowd will be really good against Ole Miss.
If the team doesn't win, the crowd won't be good, and the coach will eventually be gone.
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Can I clear things up? I only started this thread because I've been to all the home games last year and this year and outside of the KU and OK State game last year, Bramlage has been a very boring place to attend games. The crowd isn't into the games and it is boring; I simply want more fans at the games, which makes it more fun. I'm to the point that I don't care what that takes as long as football doesn't suck.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
You can pretend like charisma and style of play don't matter at all in college basketball, but it's rough ridin' stupid to think that. Frank said awesome things, he recruited players who said awesome things, and they all had the swag that made you feel like the Cats were going to win every goddam game they played in (even thought that obviously didn't happen). Frank's teams played with an intensity on defense that MADE you love the team, they left it all out on the court about 95% of the time. oscar can't replicate the aspects of Frank and his teams that made us fall in love with the basketcats all over again, so people are obviously going to feel a little withdrawn from the program. Has nothing to do with butthurt.
There's been a lot of very charismatic yet generally mediocre to slightly above mediocre coaches in the history of college basketball, and IMO Frank will go down as one of them. One could easily argue that the trendline of K-State basketball when Frank got the job, and when Frank left the job were headed in opposite directions. Which is the reason he needed to conjure up the rift with Currie.
I hope you realize how stupid it is to think that a high-major basketball coach would pick a fight with his AD, because he was afraid that he was going to fail at his current school, and the solution to that was somehow parlaying that into a much worse coaching gig. You really do live on another planet. Dax.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
Your fallacy is assuming oscar hate can't exist independently of Frank worship.
It's sad how you fail to grasp this very simple concept. So sad. Really sad!
LOL, you hate oscar because he's not Frank. No amount of "well they could have hired _____" is going to change that. The vast majority of fap festing regarding coaches around here, is done over coaches who will never take a single breath sitting on the K-State bench and will never want to.
Most of it is done over Doug Gottlieb, who has already said that he wants this job because it is one of the best jobs in America.
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Can I clear things up? I only started this thread because I've been to all the home games last year and this year and outside of the KU and OK State game last year, Bramlage has been a very boring place to attend games. The crowd isn't into the games and it is boring; I simply want more fans at the games, which makes it more fun. I'm to the point that I don't care what that takes as long as football doesn't suck.
Baylor Iowa State and TCU were fun last year.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
You can pretend like charisma and style of play don't matter at all in college basketball, but it's rough ridin' stupid to think that. Frank said awesome things, he recruited players who said awesome things, and they all had the swag that made you feel like the Cats were going to win every goddam game they played in (even thought that obviously didn't happen). Frank's teams played with an intensity on defense that MADE you love the team, they left it all out on the court about 95% of the time. oscar can't replicate the aspects of Frank and his teams that made us fall in love with the basketcats all over again, so people are obviously going to feel a little withdrawn from the program. Has nothing to do with butthurt.
There's been a lot of very charismatic yet generally mediocre to slightly above mediocre coaches in the history of college basketball, and IMO Frank will go down as one of them. One could easily argue that the trendline of K-State basketball when Frank got the job, and when Frank left the job were headed in opposite directions. Which is the reason he needed to conjure up the rift with Currie.
I hope you realize how stupid it is to think that a high-major basketball coach would pick a fight with his AD, because he was afraid that he was going to fail at his current school, and the solution to that was somehow parlaying that into a much worse coaching gig. You really do live on another planet. Dax.
This is nothing compared to what he thinks the government did on Sept. 11.
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Can I clear things up? I only started this thread because I've been to all the home games last year and this year and outside of the KU and OK State game last year, Bramlage has been a very boring place to attend games. The crowd isn't into the games and it is boring; I simply want more fans at the games, which makes it more fun. I'm to the point that I don't care what that takes as long as football doesn't suck.
Obvious frank worshipper, get some cream for that butthurt, Lucas.
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Take that crap to the birther pit.
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
You can pretend like charisma and style of play don't matter at all in college basketball, but it's rough ridin' stupid to think that. Frank said awesome things, he recruited players who said awesome things, and they all had the swag that made you feel like the Cats were going to win every goddam game they played in (even thought that obviously didn't happen). Frank's teams played with an intensity on defense that MADE you love the team, they left it all out on the court about 95% of the time. oscar can't replicate the aspects of Frank and his teams that made us fall in love with the basketcats all over again, so people are obviously going to feel a little withdrawn from the program. Has nothing to do with butthurt.
There's been a lot of very charismatic yet generally mediocre to slightly above mediocre coaches in the history of college basketball, and IMO Frank will go down as one of them. One could easily argue that the trendline of K-State basketball when Frank got the job, and when Frank left the job were headed in opposite directions. Which is the reason he needed to conjure up the rift with Currie.
I hope you realize how stupid it is to think that a high-major basketball coach would pick a fight with his AD, because he was afraid that he was going to fail at his current school, and the solution to that was somehow parlaying that into a much worse coaching gig. You really do live on another planet. Dax.
In terms of money it's not really a much worse coaching gig, in addition, it puts Frank in a new recruiting region and he needed that badly. I know enough to know that Frank was being a butthead, it wasn't one sided in any way.
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Can I clear things up? I only started this thread because I've been to all the home games last year and this year and outside of the KU and OK State game last year, Bramlage has been a very boring place to attend games. The crowd isn't into the games and it is boring; I simply want more fans at the games, which makes it more fun. I'm to the point that I don't care what that takes as long as football doesn't suck.
Baylor Iowa State and TCU were fun last year.
I think it's just the fact that it pisses me off when I see a crap ton of empty seats. Think how bad it's going to be this year when we play 3 conference games during Christmas break.
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Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?
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Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?
Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass. I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.
Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.
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Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?
Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass. I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.
Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.
Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.
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Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?
Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass. I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.
Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.
Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.
While I don't disagree entirely about the relationship working part, but Frank was pretty insuferable on many levels. You need to hang a few banners and put some trophies of import in the case before you get to that level. Also, really no excuse for any major conference team experiencing an above average level of success (to Frank's credit) to go out and miss on the recruiting trail that often. There were good players interested in K-State, who ulimately decided they wanted no part of Frank.
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Dax, successful teams sucking at recruiting is a long established KSU tradition. Why should one coach be held to a standard that the others arent?
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Dax, successful teams sucking at recruiting is a long established KSU tradition. Why should one coach be held to a standard that the others arent?
Terrible, how do you even respond to that?
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Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?
Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass. I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.
Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.
Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.
While I don't disagree entirely about the relationship working part, but Frank was pretty insuferable on many levels. You need to hang a few banners and put some trophies of import in the case before you get to that level. Also, really no excuse for any major conference team experiencing an above average level of success (to Frank's credit) to go out and miss on the recruiting trail that often. There were good players interested in K-State, who ulimately decided they wanted no part of Frank.
USC's basketball tradition must be a pretty strong pull, for known bad guy like Frank Martin to be able to pull in a few 4* kids his first couple of years on the job.
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Frank got kids from all over the country, Dax. Recruiting is not regional, it's not 1945 anymore. Also, I'm sure Frank was an bad person to Currie, but a good AD keeps his good coaches happy. You think Frank was the only successful head coach to be mean to his AD?
Towards the end Frank's recruiting had way more misses than hits, a couple of years it flat out blew ass. I don't blame it all on Frank either, but Frank wasn't going to stay at K-State no matter how much you rub your Frank Replica KstateO boots together and want to believe otherwise.
Frank inherited a trendline on a rocket ship, he left with a trendline on a slow descent.
Recruiting success at a school like K-State is always going to be a little bit cyclical. If you're not a blue blood, then you will have bad recruiting classes some years. He would have had plenty of good ones as well though. Frank's the same guy, with the same reputation that he's always had, and he's recruiting pretty well at USC. Frank would have stayed at K-State for another five years probably if our AD could have found a way to make the relationship work, which is his rough ridin' job.
While I don't disagree entirely about the relationship working part, but Frank was pretty insuferable on many levels. You need to hang a few banners and put some trophies of import in the case before you get to that level. Also, really no excuse for any major conference team experiencing an above average level of success (to Frank's credit) to go out and miss on the recruiting trail that often. There were good players interested in K-State, who ulimately decided they wanted no part of Frank.
USC's basketball tradition must be a pretty strong pull, for known bad guy like Frank Martin to be able to pull in a few 4* kids his first couple of years on the job.
Thus it's why change is good. Frank was melting down at K-State bro, he needed a change.
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Dax, successful teams sucking at recruiting is a long established KSU tradition. Why should one coach be held to a standard that the others arent?
Terrible, how do you even respond to that?
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fwiw i bet lucas scoopsalot (much like mocat) missed the OOD when frank was still here too, dax
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Can I clear things up? I only started this thread because I've been to all the home games last year and this year and outside of the KU and OK State game last year, Bramlage has been a very boring place to attend games. The crowd isn't into the games and it is boring; I simply want more fans at the games, which makes it more fun. I'm to the point that I don't care what that takes as long as football doesn't suck.
No, denied. You started this thread because you are a Frankite and miss Frank and want Frank back and hate oscar because Frank and frankly it is sad. /dax
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
We all know kougs is a simpleton, so let's get that out of the way first.
For me it was pretty simple: replacing a guy who
a) 5-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season
with
b) 4-4 (5-12 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season
isn't an exciting idea. Settling for other programs garbage isn't exciting. Never did I think I would see the day when dax thought a coach fired (for performance reasons) from a school he considers vastly underachieving in sports would be good enough for him. And not only good enough, but the best poor wittle ole K-State could do.
You can pretend for me its about Frank, but for me its about showing the whole college basketball world that KSU basketball is an inferior program that can only hope to settle for coaches not good enough for the big-time and in a tier below Illinois. Successful enough at a program like Illinois -> get hired by a school Kansas, bad enough to get fired by Iliinois -> good enough to get immediately hired by KSU. Maybe next we can hire whoever fails at NC State?
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
We all know kougs is a simpleton, so let's get that out of the way first.
For me it was pretty simple: replacing a guy who
a) 5-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season
with
b) 4-4 (5-12 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season
isn't an exciting idea. Settling for other programs garbage isn't exciting. Never did I think I would see the day when dax thought a coach fired (for performance reasons) from a school he considers vastly underachieving in sports would be good enough for him. And not only good enough, but the best poor wittle ole K-State could do.
You can pretend for me its about Frank, but for me its about showing the whole college basketball world that KSU basketball is an inferior program that can only hope to settle for coaches not good enough for the big-time and in a tier below Illinois. Successful enough at a program like Illinois -> get hired by a school Kansas, bad enough to get fired by Iliinois -> good enough to get immediately hired by KSU. Maybe next we can hire whoever fails at NC State?
oscar is the tater pringle tots of ncca basketball :frown:
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It's the butthurt that keeps you away.
Nothing says I care more about the coach than the program like worshiping a guy who went 4-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season, and you still thought it was great just because he was standing on the sidelines, "hey man, we lost, but it was still great because Frank was there and he was all mad and was wearing his KstateO cowboy boots."
We all know kougs is a simpleton, so let's get that out of the way first.
For me it was pretty simple: replacing a guy who
a) 5-4 (11-10 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season
with
b) 4-4 (5-12 overall from January to March) at home in conference play his last season
isn't an exciting idea. Settling for other programs garbage isn't exciting. Never did I think I would see the day when dax thought a coach fired (for performance reasons) from a school he considers vastly underachieving in sports would be good enough for him. And not only good enough, but the best poor wittle ole K-State could do.
You can pretend for me its about Frank, but for me its about showing the whole college basketball world that KSU basketball is an inferior program that can only hope to settle for coaches not good enough for the big-time and in a tier below Illinois. Successful enough at a program like Illinois -> get hired by a school Kansas, bad enough to get fired by Iliinois -> good enough to get immediately hired by KSU. Maybe next we can hire whoever fails at NC State?
You call me a simpleton and then agree with me. I love how obtuse you can be. It's pretty impressive on a pathetic level.
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Frank's recruiting was improving when he left. He learned a lot after his big misses in 2008 and 2009. Just wanted to point that out.
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I remember these types of debates during the Greg McDermott era about whether Eustachy was on a downside or not (recruiting wise) and whether it was worth getting rid of him because of the (then) current program state of affairs under Mac. Ts and Ps.
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In that run Dax references we did have a couple wins on the road against top 5 teams where JO DOB'd.
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When Frank took over the team was on an upward trend coming off the NIT. When he left it was on a downward trend coming off the second round of the NCAAs. If that's the trends that dax is arguing then the standard definitely changed under Frank.
Back to the point of the thread though: No, Frank was never dominant in the OOD. But the atmosphere was improved, turnout was improved, and we beat KU there twice which we hadn't done in the previous 20+ years. When I say I miss the OOD it isn't because of K-State's home dominance. I miss ESPN talking about it as an elite venue for a game, I miss the fans going apeshit to sandstorm straight through a timeout, and I miss knowing that even if the #1 team in the country came in there, we had a chance.
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Man, ESPN loved to talk about the OOD. Anybody who watched ESPN even once a week knew our venue was called the OOD and who Jacob Pullen was. Now the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team.
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Man, ESPN loved to talk about the OOD. Anybody who watched ESPN even once a week knew our venue was called the OOD and who Jacob Pullen was. Now the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team.
the average ksu fan would struggle with more than 3 i think.
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No really. The Frankite Butthurt Express is nuclear powered and won't need a refueling for awhile.
I always preferred the term "Martian"
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One of the reasons the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team is because Frank Martin's recruiting left us with Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence, Niño Williams and Thomas Gipson. The only name that would have moved the needle ever so slightly was Capt. Homesick. But even then only amongst hardcore basketball fans.
That's the huge reason why true freshman comprise 60% plus of our current scoring.
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One of the reasons the average sports fan couldn't name a player on our team is because Frank Martin's recruiting left us with Will Spradling, Omari Lawrence, Niño Williams and Thomas Gipson. The only name that would have moved the needle ever so slightly was Capt. Homesick. But even then only amongst hardcore basketball fans.
That's the huge reason why true freshman comprise 60% plus of our current scoring.
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You misplace a lot of the oscar hate as people loving or missing Frank. I can't say that I miss Frank that much :dunno: Like was mentioned above, what's missed is the atmosphere in the fOOD, the national media always on our nuts, and the general excitement for KSU hoops, even if our record wasn't spectacular. We had enough going for us that we could have went out and made a hire to maintain that level and ride it for awhile. Instead we went out and hired the first loser in the unemployment line.
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To a point where it is sad really. I want to bring the anger back, I really do, but one man can't do it himself. :Crybaby:
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I read this post while Pride started playing on my iphone.
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You misplace a lot of the oscar hate as people loving or missing Frank. I can't say that I miss Frank that much :dunno: Like was mentioned above, what's missed is the atmosphere in the fOOD, the national media always on our nuts, and the general excitement for KSU hoops, even if our record wasn't spectacular. We had enough going for us that we could have went out and made a hire to maintain that level and ride it for awhile. Instead we went out and hired the first loser in the unemployment line.
Agreed, but it should be abundantly clear to everyone by now that regardless of how many people say this and how many times they say it, dax is going to accuse them of being Frank lovers. He hasn't shown the appreciation for nuance necessary to differentiate the coach and the positive atmosphere around the program nor the recognition that said atmosphere could've been maintained with the right hire. It's pretty pointless to have this discussion with him since he made up his mind a while ago.