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I understand this dude is supposed to be our best or second best frosh, and that he can't play until after the first semester for some godforsaken NCAA rules reason, and that he's like 20.
My question, HOWEVER, is why can't I find this guy on the bench during games? Is he there and I just don't know what he looks like? Is he not allowed to sit on the bench (pretty sure BWalk did)? Is he not actually on the team :ohno:?
Also, actually pretty excited for this team next year with the transfers(Edwards Bolden and Hurt). I think weber has actually assembled a good group of players for the future after being left with franks island of misfit toys (one tall, None shoot, one defense, one lefty, one dribble, one pass). This year will be rough at times though.
Also, DJamer is so much better than last year. Now if he could just develop a move over his left shoulder.
Also, the "new" rule has made officiating even more dreadful. Apparently you can't allow yourself to get run into by the guy with the ball now,and if he swings and hits you its your fault. All the other bullshit that needs to be cleaned up is still permitted.
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As I understand it, he can't participate in any function with team.
I don't understand it either, because I seem to remember Don sitting on the bench his first semester.
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I understand this dude is supposed to be our best or second best frosh, and that he can't play until after the first semester for some godforsaken NCAA rules reason, and that he's like 20.
My question, HOWEVER, is why can't I find this guy on the bench during games? Is he there and I just don't know what he looks like? Is he not allowed to sit on the bench (pretty sure BWalk did)? Is he not actually on the team :ohno:?
Also, actually pretty excited for this team next year with the transfers(Edwards Bolden and Hurt). I think weber has actually assembled a good group of players for the future after being left with franks island of misfit toys (one tall, None shoot, one defense, one lefty, one dribble, one pass). This year will be rough at times though.
Also, DJamer is so much better than last year. Now if he could just develop a move over his left shoulder.
Also, the "new" rule has made officiating even more dreadful. Apparently you can't allow yourself to get run into by the guy with the ball now,and if he swings and hits you its your fault. All the other bullshit that needs to be cleaned up is still permitted.
Those are pretty decent observos. Too bad we will never sit by each other at a Cats game. :dubious:
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Too bad for you. :bball:
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yeah, this is all definitely frank's fault.
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yeah, this is all definitely frank's fault.
I blame frank for Will. I admittedly cant see past that hate.
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I understand this dude is supposed to be our best or second best frosh, and that he can't play until after the first semester for some godforsaken NCAA rules reason, and that he's like 20.
My question, HOWEVER, is why can't I find this guy on the bench during games? Is he there and I just don't know what he looks like? Is he not allowed to sit on the bench (pretty sure BWalk did)? Is he not actually on the team :ohno:?
Also, actually pretty excited for this team next year with the transfers(Edwards Bolden and Hurt). I think weber has actually assembled a good group of players for the future after being left with franks island of misfit toys (one tall, None shoot, one defense, one lefty, one dribble, one pass). This year will be rough at times though.
Also, DJamer is so much better than last year. Now if he could just develop a move over his left shoulder.
Also, the "new" rule has made officiating even more dreadful. Apparently you can't allow yourself to get run into by the guy with the ball now,and if he swings and hits you its your fault. All the other bullshit that needs to be cleaned up is still permitted.
Asked oscar about this during their open practice last Monday. Apparently he isn't allowed participate in any team activities until the 21st of December (no sitting on bench during games, can't participate in team workouts/activities, etc.) which is why we didn't see him at Madness in Manhattan. oscar said Madness in Manhattan was a rough day for Jevon. Apparently he was very gloomy that he couldn't play, and the team had to come visit him at his apartment/dorm to cheer him up. He just wants to play.
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Asked oscar about this during their open practice last Monday. Apparently he isn't allowed participate in any team activities until the 21st of December (no sitting on bench during games, can't participate in team workouts/activities, etc.) which is why we didn't see him at Madness in Manhattan. oscar said Madness in Manhattan was a rough day for Jevon. Apparently he was very gloomy that he couldn't play, and the team had to come visit him at his apartment/dorm to cheer him up. He just wants to play.
:frown:
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I understand this dude is supposed to be our best or second best frosh, and that he can't play until after the first semester for some godforsaken NCAA rules reason, and that he's like 20.
My question, HOWEVER, is why can't I find this guy on the bench during games? Is he there and I just don't know what he looks like? Is he not allowed to sit on the bench (pretty sure BWalk did)? Is he not actually on the team :ohno:?
Also, actually pretty excited for this team next year with the transfers(Edwards Bolden and Hurt). I think weber has actually assembled a good group of players for the future after being left with franks island of misfit toys (one tall, None shoot, one defense, one lefty, one dribble, one pass). This year will be rough at times though.
Also, DJamer is so much better than last year. Now if he could just develop a move over his left shoulder.
Also, the "new" rule has made officiating even more dreadful. Apparently you can't allow yourself to get run into by the guy with the ball now,and if he swings and hits you its your fault. All the other bullshit that needs to be cleaned up is still permitted.
Asked oscar about this during their open practice last Monday. Apparently he isn't allowed participate in any team activities until the 21st of December (no sitting on bench during games, can't participate in team workouts/activities, etc.) which is why we didn't see him at Madness in Manhattan. oscar said Madness in Manhattan was a rough day for Jevon. Apparently he was very gloomy that he couldn't play, and the team had to come visit him at his apartment/dorm to cheer him up. He just wants to play.
Poor guy
:frown:
Thanks, joaks01.
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Mean old NCAA, let Jevon play!
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this joaks01 guy seems like a real stud IMO
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this joaks01 guy seems like a real stud IMO
Yes, I will agree with this.
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Jevon spends a lot of time with the coaches, needs to hit the ground running. I am also under the impression he is better than Foster. He plays hard and fast the kind of player other teams fans are going to hate. We are going to love him. Also that was a sad story. :frown:
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Jevon spends a lot of time with the coaches, needs to hit the ground running. I am also under the impression he is better than Foster. He plays hard and fast the kind of player other teams fans are going to hate. We are going to love him. Also that was a sad story. :frown:
Confidence level? Boy, would it be great if he is better!
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I haven't been this excited for a players debut since 95!(pancakes)
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I haven't been this excited for a players debut since 95!(pancakes)
What a guy.
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95 would thrive with the new rules. Kid was quick and loved to drive.
Would kill to have him on this team.
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Jevon spends a lot of time with the coaches, needs to hit the ground running. I am also under the impression he is better than Foster. He plays hard and fast the kind of player other teams fans are going to hate. We are going to love him. Also that was a sad story. :frown:
Confidence level? Boy, would it be great if he is better!
Pretty High.
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Jevon spends a lot of time with the coaches, needs to hit the ground running. I am also under the impression he is better than Foster. He plays hard and fast the kind of player other teams fans are going to hate. We are going to love him. Also that was a sad story. :frown:
Confidence level? Boy, would it be great if he is better!
Pretty High.
:excited:
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Are you saying we have the TWO best players in Kansas and one of them hasn't even played a college game yet? :love:
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Are you saying we have the TWO best players in Kansas and one of them hasn't even played a college game yet? :love:
:thumbs:
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I understand this dude is supposed to be our best or second best frosh, and that he can't play until after the first semester for some godforsaken NCAA rules reason, and that he's like 20.
My question, HOWEVER, is why can't I find this guy on the bench during games? Is he there and I just don't know what he looks like? Is he not allowed to sit on the bench (pretty sure BWalk did)? Is he not actually on the team :ohno:?
Also, actually pretty excited for this team next year with the transfers(Edwards Bolden and Hurt). I think weber has actually assembled a good group of players for the future after being left with franks island of misfit toys (one tall, None shoot, one defense, one lefty, one dribble, one pass). This year will be rough at times though.
Also, DJamer is so much better than last year. Now if he could just develop a move over his left shoulder.
Also, the "new" rule has made officiating even more dreadful. Apparently you can't allow yourself to get run into by the guy with the ball now,and if he swings and hits you its your fault. All the other bullshit that needs to be cleaned up is still permitted.
Asked oscar about this during their open practice last Monday. Apparently he isn't allowed participate in any team activities until the 21st of December (no sitting on bench during games, can't participate in team workouts/activities, etc.) which is why we didn't see him at Madness in Manhattan. oscar said Madness in Manhattan was a rough day for Jevon. Apparently he was very gloomy that he couldn't play, and the team had to come visit him at his apartment/dorm to cheer him up. He just wants to play.
:peek:
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I like the sound of this Jevon player.
Hurt and Edwards :Woot:
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Can the team practice with him at the rec?
Serious question.
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Can the team practice with him at the rec?
Serious question.
Yeah. He played pick up games with them all summer. He just can't take part in organized activities when coaches are present...practice, conditioning, etc.
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Apparently he was very gloomy that he couldn't play, and the team had to come visit him at his apartment/dorm to cheer him up. He just wants to play.
wait a minute folks.. these cats might just be adoracats after all!
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Still believe Kansas State can be sneaky good in Big 12 once Jevon Thomas is eligible. Game changing guard. Eugene Harvey with a jumper.
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Still believe Kansas State can be sneaky good in Big 12 once Jevon Thomas is eligible. Game changing guard. Eugene Harvey with a jumper.
When is that exactly? January or late December?
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Still believe Kansas State can be sneaky good in Big 12 once Jevon Thomas is eligible. Game changing guard. Eugene Harvey with a jumper.
When is that exactly? January or late December?
Gonzaga
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Still believe Kansas State can be sneaky good in Big 12 once Jevon Thomas is eligible. Game changing guard. Eugene Harvey with a jumper.
When is that exactly? January or late December?
Gonzaga
Oh wow. Thanks, sd.
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6 days, or something.
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Is the 21st the first day he's eligible or just the first game he's going to be playing it? Because it'd be hilarious if he came in the first day without ever "practicing with the team" to start or play a ton of minutes on his first day of eligibility.
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Still believe Kansas State can be sneaky good in Big 12 once Jevon Thomas is eligible. Game changing guard. Eugene Harvey with a jumper.
:confused:
Eugene Harvey is an American Magic: The Gathering player. His major successes include four Pro Tour top eights, and five Grand Prix top eights. Harvey was part of the US national team that won the World Championship in 2001, which was Harvey's first Pro Tour. He also won the 2002 US National Championship.
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Can the team practice with him at the rec?
Serious question.
Yeah. He played pick up games with them all summer. He just can't take part in organized activities when coaches are present...practice, conditioning, etc.
tunnel dancing
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Is the 21st the first day he's eligible or just the first game he's going to be playing it? Because it'd be hilarious if he came in the first day without ever "practicing with the team" to start or play a ton of minutes on his first day of eligibility.
iirc, didn't we have a player do this under frank a few years ago? I have a terrible memory.
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Pretty sure it's the 15th, but do wish it was the 21st for that exact reason.
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Is the 21st the first day he's eligible or just the first game he's going to be playing it? Because it'd be hilarious if he came in the first day without ever "practicing with the team" to start or play a ton of minutes on his first day of eligibility.
iirc, didn't we have a player do this under frank a few years ago? I have a terrible memory.
Pretty sure Dom did. He went like 8 and 8 that night too.
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Still believe Kansas State can be sneaky good in Big 12 once Jevon Thomas is eligible. Game changing guard. Eugene Harvey with a jumper.
:confused:
Eugene Harvey is an American Magic: The Gathering player. His major successes include four Pro Tour top eights, and five Grand Prix top eights. Harvey was part of the US national team that won the World Championship in 2001, which was Harvey's first Pro Tour. He also won the 2002 US National Championship.
will take!
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There is a 0% chance Marty hasn't taken Jevon under his ferociously muscly bicep after practice every day and on the weekends and taught him everything he needs to know about life as a KSU guard. He'll be ready for Gonzaga.
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There is a 0% chance Marty hasn't taken Jevon under his ferociously muscly bicep after practice every day and on the weekends and taught him everything he needs to know about life as a KSU guard. He'll be ready for Gonzaga.
Wish Marty would do that with some of the other guys. :frown:
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So he'll play at the Gonzaga in ICT game? Man, that red circle on my calendar keeps getting better.
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Is the 21st the first day he's eligible or just the first game he's going to be playing it? Because it'd be hilarious if he came in the first day without ever "practicing with the team" to start or play a ton of minutes on his first day of eligibility.
It would be hilarious because he would be getting Sprad's minutes. The whole announcer talking point of Doc being better off the ball is BS. If you're afraid to take a shot, it doesn't matter where you playl
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So he'll play at the Gonzaga in ICT game? Man, that red circle on my calendar keeps getting better.
Probably not.
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wow, between the eugene harvey and nba d league ready talk, how can you not be pumped
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:popcorn: :ohno: :crossfingers: :impatient:
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oscar won't give him more than a few min here and there until early Jan.
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There is a 0% chance Marty hasn't taken Jevon under his ferociously muscly bicep after practice every day and on the weekends and taught him everything he needs to know about life as a KSU guard. He'll be ready for Gonzaga.
I wish Marty would choke out Will in a head lock with those biceps.
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Is the 21st the first day he's eligible or just the first game he's going to be playing it? Because it'd be hilarious if he came in the first day without ever "practicing with the team" to start or play a ton of minutes on his first day of eligibility.
It would be hilarious because he would be getting Sprad's minutes. The whole announcer talking point of Doc being better off the ball is BS. If you're afraid to take a shot, it doesn't matter where you playl
If he's playing the 1, then the talking point is that "he's really better off the ball". If he's playing off the ball, then the talking point is "he's really more of a PG".
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He'll need a few chalkboard sessions with oscar before he's ready.
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Is the 21st the first day he's eligible or just the first game he's going to be playing it? Because it'd be hilarious if he came in the first day without ever "practicing with the team" to start or play a ton of minutes on his first day of eligibility.
It would be hilarious because he would be getting Sprad's minutes. The whole announcer talking point of Doc being better off the ball is BS. If you're afraid to take a shot, it doesn't matter where you playl
If he's playing the 1, then the talking point is that "he's really better off the ball". If he's playing off the ball, then the talking point is "he's really more of a PG".
Only really dumb fans have ever thought Will should be a point.
He didn't have a bad game against Miss, he played solid defense and hit two threes, just had some dumb fouls.
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Hopefully with all this touting of thomas, he will deilvrez us from our point guard situation this yearby.
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Hopefully with all this touting of thomas, he will deilvrez us from our point guard situation this yearby.
Oh man! :D
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Hopefully with all this touting of thomas, he will deilvrez us from our point guard situation this yearby.
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not to turn this into yet another will thread, but the talking pt i heard after ole miss is that will "calmed" everyone when he was on the court and things just ran smoother. maybe this is true, maybe we look more aesthetically pleasing with will running off screens or whipping passes side to side for 30 seconds, but the currency of offense is pts, not how "smooth" it looks. frank martin proved that. also the idea that having a non-shooting, unathletic, non-vocal leader calms the other players on the court stretches the bounds of credulity. will is intelligent, occasionally hits 3s, and tries. i'll give him that. but his best quality is staying out of the way. the rest of this stuff by commentators and tucks is just a way to qualify his importance since he doesn't garner stats to quantify it.
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What leads you to believe he's intelligent? I haven't seen a single thing in my time here that would give me that impression. Like maybe average, but I tend toward dipshit.
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What leads you to believe he's intelligent? I haven't seen a single thing in my time here that would give me that impression. Like maybe average, but I tend toward dipshit.
We think he's intelligent because he's white.
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What leads you to believe he's intelligent? I haven't seen a single thing in my time here that would give me that impression. Like maybe average, but I tend toward dipshit.
Every coach he's had (Frank and oscar) has said he knows what to do on the floor and he studies the opponent and understands the game plan the best of anyone on the team. (or comments that infer this premise) That's probably where it comes from.
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What leads you to believe he's intelligent? I haven't seen a single thing in my time here that would give me that impression. Like maybe average, but I tend toward dipshit.
Every coach he's had (Frank and oscar) has said he knows what to do on the floor and he studies the opponent and understands the game plan the best of anyone on the team. (or comments that infer this premise) That's probably where it comes from.
yeah, _Fan, yeah. dunno, just glad we have jevon coming. will's fine; is what he is.
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What leads you to believe he's intelligent? I haven't seen a single thing in my time here that would give me that impression. Like maybe average, but I tend toward dipshit.
Every coach he's had (Frank and oscar) has said he knows what to do on the floor and he studies the opponent and understands the game plan the best of anyone on the team. (or comments that infer this premise) That's probably where it comes from.
yeah, _Fan, yeah. dunno, just glad we have jevon coming. will's fine; is what he is.
I am as well, this team really needs a steady PG. I like little Johnson, but he's not quite ready to play 30-35 MPG. He can handle around 20, but I think more than that is too much for him. Hopefully Thomas can play 25-30 at least and be effective.
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why do we think Thomas will be awesome?
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Because he is the only player not available now and isn't one of our current guards.
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why do we think Thomas will be awesome?
He's getting the hype from media etc. Not Wiggins level hype, but plenty of people have said he's good. That's all I'm going off of.
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why do we think Thomas will be awesome?
We think he will be awesome compared to the pg we currently have. It's all relative.
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I've said all along that this is an NCAA tournament team and I'm not going back on my word.
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I've said all along that this is an NCAA tournament team and I'm not going back on my word.
:horrorsurprise: Link?
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I've said all along that this is an NCAA tournament team and I'm not going back on my word.
BITB
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I've said all along that this is an NCAA tournament team and I'm not going back on my word.
Hope you're right kim
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We are shooting 41% from the field (10th in the Big 12)
We are shooting 26.4% from 3pt. (10th in the Big 12)
Until Shane starts hitting some three's we are in trouble.
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We are shooting 41% from the field (10th in the Big 12)
We are shooting 26.4% from 3pt. (10th in the Big 12)
Until Shane starts hitting some three's we are in trouble.
jfc :facepalm:
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We are shooting 41% from the field (10th in the Big 12)
We are shooting 26.4% from 3pt. (10th in the Big 12)
Until Shane starts hitting any shots we are in trouble.
Fify
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Next year seems like it will be a strange year for oscar. As far as I know Jevon Thomas is not billed as any kind of spectacular 3 point shooter, we know that Edwards can't really shoot from deep, and Foster is our only freshman with a decent stroke from outside. It looks like our strengths are going to be in the post, getting to the hoop, and trash points from o-boarding. Bread, did oscar have any (successful) teams like that at Illinois?
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spradling is like about 90% of players, when he makes shots he helps his team and when he doesn't, he doesn't. the main difference is spradling hardly tries to shoot. if he'd get his %shots up somewhere near 20% and his 3pt% above 35% he should play as many minutes as there are in a game. against all data, i think it's possible he could do the latter, but he's never even tried to do the former.
to be fair, for as long as he keeps his to% in the single digits, he is probably helping his team a little bit, if only by keeping it out of the other players' hands for a few seconds per possession, even though he refuses to shoot.
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Next year seems like it will be a strange year for oscar. As far as I know Jevon Thomas is not billed as any kind of spectacular 3 point shooter, we know that Edwards can't really shoot from deep, and Foster is our only freshman with a decent stroke from outside. It looks like our strengths are going to be in the post, getting to the hoop, and trash points from o-boarding. Bread, did oscar have any (successful) teams like that at Illinois?
Do we?
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Next year seems like it will be a strange year for oscar. As far as I know Jevon Thomas is not billed as any kind of spectacular 3 point shooter, we know that Edwards can't really shoot from deep, and Foster is our only freshman with a decent stroke from outside. It looks like our strengths are going to be in the post, getting to the hoop, and trash points from o-boarding. Bread, did oscar have any (successful) teams like that at Illinois?
Do we?
44 of the last 164 bro.
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He's averaged about 35 minutes/game against shitty competition in college ball, and he has hit at a 27% clip from behind the arc...so :dunno:
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not to turn this into yet another will thread, but the talking pt i heard after ole miss is that will "calmed" everyone when he was on the court and things just ran smoother. maybe this is true, maybe we look more aesthetically pleasing with will running off screens or whipping passes side to side for 30 seconds, but the currency of offense is pts, not how "smooth" it looks. frank martin proved that. also the idea that having a non-shooting, unathletic, non-vocal leader calms the other players on the court stretches the bounds of credulity. will is intelligent, occasionally hits 3s, and tries. i'll give him that. but his best quality is staying out of the way. the rest of this stuff by commentators and tucks is just a way to qualify his importance since he doesn't garner stats to quantify it.
Aside from the "will is intelligent" reference--and assuming that means he's "basketball intelligent" (I have no reason to believe he's not non-basketball intelligent)--this is a pretty fair post. That said, I just don't think he'll make a big difference this season. Supposed promise unfulfilled.
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Next year seems like it will be a strange year for oscar. As far as I know Jevon Thomas is not billed as any kind of spectacular 3 point shooter, we know that Edwards can't really shoot from deep, and Foster is our only freshman with a decent stroke from outside. It looks like our strengths are going to be in the post, getting to the hoop, and trash points from o-boarding. Bread, did oscar have any (successful) teams like that at Illinois?
Do we?
we have more convincing data on that subject than pretty much any other aspect of next year's team.
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spradling is like about 90% of players, when he makes shots he helps his team and when he doesn't, he doesn't. the main difference is spradling hardly tries to shoot. if he'd get his %shots up somewhere near 20% and his 3pt% above 35% he should play as many minutes as there are in a game. against all data, i think it's possible he could do the latter, but he's never even tried to do the former.
to be fair, for as long as he keeps his to% in the single digits, he is probably helping his team a little bit, if only by keeping it out of the other players' hands for a few seconds per possession, even though he refuses to shoot.
This. 1 TO every 100 possessions is pretty ridiculous. I think its fair to say moving him off the ball could increase his %shots and get him better shots.
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we've seen will in the 2-guard ( with angel) and he still gave us no offense.
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we've seen will in the 2-guard ( with angel) and he still gave us no offense.
Yeah, but rod and shane we going bananas then. He has more necessity this season.
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we've seen will in the 2-guard ( with angel) and he still gave us no offense.
Yeah, but rod and shane we going bananas then. He has more necessity this season.
it's easier to be good at basketball when it doesn't matter.
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we've seen will in the 2-guard ( with angel) and he still gave us no offense.
Yeah, but rod and shane we going bananas then. He has more necessity this season.
it's easier to be good at basketball when it doesn't matter.
For ppl that don't perform well under pressure, yeah.