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I don't like this. I mean, I love it because it is our most effective offense and he exciting to watch but I don't like it because I don't want him to be broken down like Collin was. What do we do though? just suck mostly? :frown:
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it worries me too, steve. seems unsustainable. we absolutely need to get the RBs more involved if we dont want to see jake waters starting again by end of the season.
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OK, it's 3rd and 6. Daniel can probably get this first down 90% of the time but we've ran him 28 times already. Or, we can hope that Curry Sexton can shake his defender and get open which is going to happen 0.0005% of the time. :frown:
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Snyder keeps telling himself that he'll break a 55 yd TD. Again...and again
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Hey steve dave on that 3rd and 6 scenario, let's just use Klein. Kyle Klein, that is. :gocho:
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Bill being Bill.
Klein averaged 24 carries a game two years ago. 7 games with at least 25 carries.
Last year down to 16 carries a game and only 1 game with 25 carries.
Hopefully they find a way to get that down to under 20 per game.
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it is a concern but Sams doesn't take nearly as many straight on shots as Klein did. He's just got a different more elusive running style. Still I would think Hubert would see more carries with Sams in the game then what he did last week. He's shown he can be an effective runner when he's paired with a good running QB.
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Some of you guys can't be pleased. "Oh running Jake 18 times is too much, run Sams!" "Oh Sams running 25 times is too much, don't run him so much!"
Make up your minds
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insert our RB isn't a threat talking point
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I haven't broken it down yet, but it will be interesting to see the number of QB lead/power plays we ran vs options and scrambles/sacks. My impression is that most of it was QB run plays for Sams.
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I don't mind Sams running 20 times a game if he gets out of bounds more. According to the play-by-play from OSU he only did this 3 times. Unless it's a 3rd or 4th down situation where we have to get the extra yard, I'd prefer if he got his ass out of bounds so we don't see #15 trot out ever again.
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This looks like a job for Gronk.
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Sams running 20 times is different then Klein taking 20 cares. Sams avoids direct contract more then Klein did.
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Sams getting hurt would be devastating, fwiw
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Sams running 20 times is different then Klein taking 20 cares. Sams avoids direct contract more then Klein did.
it's different kinds of contact. collin was more dislocated shoulder'y while daniel is more torn acl'y. you know?
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insert our RB isn't a threat talking point
inserted
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Sams running 20 times is different then Klein taking 20 cares. Sams avoids direct contract more then Klein did.
it's different kinds of contact. collin was more dislocated shoulder'y while daniel is more torn acl'y. you know?
If you're gonna go out, go out with style :gocho:
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Hubert wasn't bad with 7 for 30, but he should be getting 12-15 touches per.
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Some of you guys can't be pleased. "Oh running Jake 18 times is too much, run Sams!" "Oh Sams running 25 times is too much, don't run him so much!"
Make up your minds
Now that Sams can throw in a game, it is a perfectly reasonable stance.
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Bill being Bill.
Klein averaged 24 carries a game two years ago. 7 games with at least 25 carries.
Last year down to 16 carries a game and only 1 game with 25 carries.
Hopefully they find a way to get that down to under 20 per game.
I think CK's carries correlated with the trust the staff had in him to throw and the same will apply with Sams. Maybe moreso. My advice to Daniel is to use the spin move in open field situations rather than close to the LOS.
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Bill being Bill.
Klein averaged 24 carries a game two years ago. 7 games with at least 25 carries.
Last year down to 16 carries a game and only 1 game with 25 carries.
Hopefully they find a way to get that down to under 20 per game.
I think CK's carries correlated with the trust the staff had in him to throw and the same will apply with Sams. Maybe moreso. My advice to Daniel is to use the spin move in open field situations rather than close to the LOS.
Sams needs to run outside the tackles, Hubert needs to run inside the tackles.
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Bill being Bill.
Klein averaged 24 carries a game two years ago. 7 games with at least 25 carries.
Last year down to 16 carries a game and only 1 game with 25 carries.
Hopefully they find a way to get that down to under 20 per game.
I think CK's carries correlated with the trust the staff had in him to throw and the same will apply with Sams. Maybe moreso. My advice to Daniel is to use the spin move in open field situations rather than close to the LOS.
Yes, that is a big part of it. Klein averaged 21.6 attempts in 11 and 23.4 in 12.
Hubert's carries went down last year; from 15.4 in 11 to 14.5 in 12. Currently at 13 carries per game this year.
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This looks like a job for Gronk.
Gronk has 1 carry for 0 yards. This offense needs more Gronk.
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Bill being Bill.
Klein averaged 24 carries a game two years ago. 7 games with at least 25 carries.
Last year down to 16 carries a game and only 1 game with 25 carries.
Hopefully they find a way to get that down to under 20 per game.
That comes with having more confidence in him airing it out. Problem as of now
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why do we never run the option anymore?
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
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why do we never run the option anymore?
I am going under the assumption that we didn’t see the option against OSU because we really didn’t see it (with much success) last year against OSU, iirc. We had some success with CK running QB sweeps/draws (when he wasn’t getting concussed).
Against Baylor we didn’t really do much successful – but as I remember it our coaches lost their bladder early after Baylor scored at will and had CK chucking it around and throwing INT’s instead of just running it. Phil’s going to man up and bring pressure, for the life of me why we can’t throw a RB screen (which we actually did last game) or a trips WR jail break screen is beyond me. Especially with Sams at QB.
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
i'm talking option option, like pitch the ball kind of option though. not the take it or don't take it and then i run option. <------high fball iq post.
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I am going under the assumption that we didn’t see the option against OSU because we really didn’t see it (with much success) last year against OSU, iirc. We had some success with CK running QB sweeps/draws (when he wasn’t getting concussed).
Last year vs OSU we ran 15% option. Sams ran 1 in 16 run play calls, Klein ran 6 in 38 run calls when he was in. Klein ran 24 QB lead/power plays and Sams ran 12.
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
i'm talking option option, like pitch the ball kind of option though. not the take it or don't take it and then i run option. <------high fball iq post.
Because Hubert can't catch.
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
i'm talking option option, like pitch the ball kind of option though. not the take it or don't take it and then i run option. <------high fball iq post.
Good question. Sams did run one speed option vs UT, but there was a penalty, otherwise I don't think he's run another one all year.
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I am going under the assumption that we didn’t see the option against OSU because we really didn’t see it (with much success) last year against OSU, iirc. We had some success with CK running QB sweeps/draws (when he wasn’t getting concussed).
Last year vs OSU we ran 15% option. Sams ran 1 in 16 run play calls, Klein ran 6 in 38 run calls when he was in. Klein ran 24 QB lead/power plays and Sams ran 12.
man, right in their face. what did sams run against OSU, like 90% qb lead/power?
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man, right in their face. what did sams run against OSU, like 90% qb lead/power?
I'll have that tomorrow, I haven't charted the game yet.
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options (with a pitch) have the highest chance of a TO. I think that's why we've seen less and less of it in Synder 2.0 compared to 1.0.
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MPMS (more pitch more schwinn)
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
i'm talking option option, like pitch the ball kind of option though. not the take it or don't take it and then i run option. <------high fball iq post.
This is the one that Rick wants, and I do too!
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maybe bill's dementia is kicking in and he thinks Daniel Sams is Daniel Thomas (might answer the 27 carries) :whistle1:
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Stud WR Chris Harper was great at blocking on those type of plays. Our WR's now are just OK.
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
i'm talking option option, like pitch the ball kind of option though. not the take it or don't take it and then i run option. <------high fball iq post.
This is the one that Rick wants, and I do too!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvMQ7Q0s.gif&hash=545d62fd2d740b210541b524c7dd20dde98f1db6)
:love:
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why do we never run the option anymore?
This is a great question. Snyd's only runs it when Waters is in. Is Daniel that bad of a pitch guy? :confused:
Sams ran several read options vs Texas, he did make a few mistakes in his reads though, so that could be part of it. I think we'll see more as the year goes along.
i'm talking option option, like pitch the ball kind of option though. not the take it or don't take it and then i run option. <------high fball iq post.
This is the one that Rick wants, and I do too!
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi.imgur.com%2FvMQ7Q0s.gif&hash=545d62fd2d740b210541b524c7dd20dde98f1db6)
^First we need that talent before we can do that^
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Stud WR Chris Harper was great at blocking on those type of plays. Our WR's now are just OK.
We need WR's that are over 6 foot first of all.
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Stud WR Chris Harper was great at blocking on those type of plays. Our WR's now are just OK.
he was the total stud package
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As Snyder would say, we will take what the defense gives us. If that means Sams has to run the ball 40 times because he is averaging 5.5 YPC, so be it.
Sams is built to take punishment. Klein was tall, lanky and looked extremely fragile, however, the guy had bull testicles and a tolerance for pain unlike any other.
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As Snyder would say, we will take what the defense gives us. If that means Sams has to run the ball 40 times because he is averaging 5.5 YPC, so be it.
Sams is built to take punishment. Klein was tall, lanky and looked extremely fragile, however, the guy had bull testicles and a tolerance for pain unlike any other.
What in the eff?
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As Snyder would say, we will take what the defense gives us. If that means Sams has to run the ball 40 times because he is averaging 5.5 YPC, so be it.
Sams is built to take punishment. Klein was tall, lanky and looked extremely fragile, however, the guy had bull testicles and a tolerance for pain unlike any other.
On opposite day
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As Snyder would say, we will take what the defense gives us. If that means Sams has to run the ball 40 times because he is averaging 5.5 YPC, so be it.
Sams is built to take punishment. Klein was tall, lanky and looked extremely fragile, however, the guy had bull testicles and a tolerance for pain unlike any other.
What in the eff?
To dumb this down, no I'm not concerned about Sams running the ball 20+ times at this point in his career or at this point in our season. He's not a pussy and he can handle the load. He's built to juke LBs and smash D-Backs.
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As Snyder would say, we will take what the defense gives us. If that means Sams has to run the ball 40 times because he is averaging 5.5 YPC, so be it.
Sams is built to take punishment. Klein was tall, lanky and looked extremely fragile, however, the guy had bull testicles and a tolerance for pain unlike any other.
What in the eff?
To dumb this down, no I'm not concerned about Sams running the ball 20+ times at this point in his career or at this point in our season. He's not a pussy and he can handle the load. He's built to juke LBs and smash D-Backs.
I think it was plenty dumb to begin with
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Klein was tall, but not lanky or fragile looking. IMHO.
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Klein :lol: more like string-bean
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Klein was tall, but not lanky or fragile looking. IMHO.
Sams running style is what has me concerned with regard to injury. Everybody talks about the plant-foot juke, but that is also how you get your knee/ankle blasted. Klein was just such a physical bull; I don't think we can run Sams like we did Klein before he eventually gets (at the least) dinged up. That is what has me concerned about this weekend. Our only option is to run Sams a lot. Baylor knows this. We are going to do it anyway. Irresistible force v. immovable object (or whatever the hell that saying is) Something has to give; hope it isn't Sams' body.
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maybe bill's dementia is kicking in and he thinks Daniel Sams is Daniel Thomas (might answer the 27 carries) :whistle1:
grow up
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Klein was tall, but not lanky or fragile looking. IMHO.
Sams running style is what has me concerned with regard to injury. Everybody talks about the plant-foot juke, but that is also how you get your knee/ankle blasted. Klein was just such a physical bull; I don't think we can run Sams like we did Klein before he eventually gets (at the least) dinged up. That is what has me concerned about this weekend. Our only option is to run Sams a lot. Baylor knows this. We are going to do it anyway. Irresistible force v. immovable object (or whatever the hell that saying is) Something has to give; hope it isn't Sams' body.
you can say that about every single team we play and especially for teams with some defensive talent like TCU and OU. it's unavoidable. however it can be limited by better situational play calling, imo.
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I worried about his knees nonstop during the OSU game
:ohno: <- me when sams runs (worrying about his knees)
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His end of run spin move makes me cringe. :sdeek:
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You guys are seriously talking about a Snyder QB running the ball too much? Jeesh, that's what our QB does most of the time. That is why are QB's are hammered crap at the end of the season...Roberson? Gregory? Klein? Sams? Beasley? It seems like after each year, the QB has to have some sort of rotator cuff reconstruction shoulder replacement thing done.....
Just wait til Sams gets hurt, then it's back to Waters......
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to be fair, gregory's shoulder was dead before the season started.
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to be fair, gregory's shoulder was dead before the season started.
Yea, but by the end of the season, both shoulders were dead.
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Oh No!!!!!! :horrorsurprise:
Gronk is gonna be the Quarterback by the end of the year due to injuries
:Yuck: or :ksu: (don't know which)
I am so freaked out right now. :runaway: