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Title: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: wabash909 on October 06, 2013, 08:00:55 AM
12 penalties and 5 turnovers in the second half is just effing absurd.  And completely unacceptable coming off of a bye week, with two weeks to prepare.

If the offensive personel cannot run the damn "check with me" system without resulting in 8 false starts and delays, then it needs to be simplified.

Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 06, 2013, 08:29:45 AM
Nothing creates offensive efficency like 8 false start penalties and a "check with me" system that's scrambling just to get the ball snapped before the play clock runs out.   But that's "Snyder's system" and that's just the way it's always has been, and will always be.   No changes allowed here, just keep trying to jam that square peg into the round hole.

Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 06, 2013, 08:38:00 AM
The "this is the system" rationale is correct. When you look at any K-State season under Snyder with indecision at the quarterback position, this is exactly what happens. 01, 04, 05, 09, 10, or even 89-92. The check with me is new to his 2nd stint, but the overall expectation for changing plays at the LOS and grasping "the offense" is the same. The consistent factor with offensive struggles over the years is when there isn't one guy who is clearly the quarterback for this team. This season is already a mess because of it; by the end of this season a decision must be made and that staff must go with it so next year we don't have the same problem.
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: chum1 on October 06, 2013, 08:44:57 AM
I just can't imagine anyting about the QB situation changing next year. 
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: kso_FAN on October 06, 2013, 08:49:46 AM
I just can't imagine anyting about the QB situation changing next year. 

IMO one of them will win the spot before next season, and more than likely based on Snyder's past and what we saw yesterday that will be Sams. Of course, before the game I thought Waters was likely to take over, but when you add in how Sams played combined with the injury situation at receiver (plus both are SRs), the true dual threat QB makes more sense.
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: deputy dawg on October 06, 2013, 09:12:19 AM
Didn't Sams pretty much seal the deal as the full-time QB?  Give the offense a chance to get used to his cadence, and a lot of the problems that resulted in penalties will go away. 
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: catzacker on October 06, 2013, 09:16:01 AM
I just can't imagine anyting about the QB situation changing next year.

this.  sadly.  it took the USC game in 02 for Ell to be "the guy".  That was the 4th game of that season.  Both guys suck enough to warrant "starting" in the eyes of bill.
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: catzacker on October 06, 2013, 09:20:19 AM
this is the hope, btw:

In '01, Ell was 54-136 (39.7%) for 855yd, 4TD, 8INT, 6.3ypa

In '02, Ell was 91-175 (52%) for 1580, 7TD, 4INT, 9.0ypa

In '03, Ell was 152-294 (51.7%) for 2545, 24TD, 12INT, 8.7ypa
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: Trim on October 06, 2013, 09:34:54 AM
this is the hope, btw:

In '01, Ell was 54-136 (39.7%) for 855yd, 4TD, 8INT, 6.3ypa

In '02, Ell was 91-175 (52%) for 1580, 7TD, 4INT, 9.0ypa

In '03, Ell was 152-294 (51.7%) for 2545, 24TD, 12INT, 8.7ypa

:love:
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: eastcat on October 06, 2013, 11:46:16 AM
Didn't Sams pretty much seal the deal as the full-time QB?  Give the offense a chance to get used to his cadence, and a lot of the problems that resulted in penalties will go away.

Used to his Cadence? What? He's not a band director, he uses the same snap count as everyone else. Those penalties lie squarely on the O-line's back.
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on October 06, 2013, 01:22:40 PM
Didn't Sams pretty much seal the deal as the full-time QB?  Give the offense a chance to get used to his cadence, and a lot of the problems that resulted in penalties will go away.

Used to his Cadence? What? He's not a band director, he uses the same snap count as everyone else. Those penalties lie squarely on the O-line's back.
:thumbs:
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: wetwillie on October 06, 2013, 01:33:30 PM
this is the hope, btw:

In '01, Ell was 54-136 (39.7%) for 855yd, 4TD, 8INT, 6.3ypa

In '02, Ell was 91-175 (52%) for 1580, 7TD, 4INT, 9.0ypa

In '03, Ell was 152-294 (51.7%) for 2545, 24TD, 12INT, 8.7ypa

We just need an nfl running back to run the option with.
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: kim carnes on October 06, 2013, 01:41:31 PM
this is the hope, btw:

In '01, Ell was 54-136 (39.7%) for 855yd, 4TD, 8INT, 6.3ypa

In '02, Ell was 91-175 (52%) for 1580, 7TD, 4INT, 9.0ypa

In '03, Ell was 152-294 (51.7%) for 2545, 24TD, 12INT, 8.7ypa

sams is a much better thrower than ell was his sophomore year, especially in the short to intermediate area.
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: sonofdaxjones on October 06, 2013, 02:00:06 PM
this is the hope, btw:

In '01, Ell was 54-136 (39.7%) for 855yd, 4TD, 8INT, 6.3ypa

In '02, Ell was 91-175 (52%) for 1580, 7TD, 4INT, 9.0ypa

In '03, Ell was 152-294 (51.7%) for 2545, 24TD, 12INT, 8.7ypa

sams is a much better thrower than ell was his sophomore year, especially in the short to intermediate area.

Ell was much better on the deep ball than Sams.   
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: kim carnes on October 06, 2013, 02:00:56 PM
this is the hope, btw:

In '01, Ell was 54-136 (39.7%) for 855yd, 4TD, 8INT, 6.3ypa

In '02, Ell was 91-175 (52%) for 1580, 7TD, 4INT, 9.0ypa

In '03, Ell was 152-294 (51.7%) for 2545, 24TD, 12INT, 8.7ypa

sams is a much better thrower than ell was his sophomore year, especially in the short to intermediate area.

Ell was much better on the deep ball than Sams.

ell threw a beautiful deep ball
Title: Re: Penalties and turnovers. Bad teams do these things.
Post by: wabash909 on October 10, 2013, 03:55:10 PM
K-State currently averages more turnovers per game than any other K-State team in the last 20 years.