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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Lefty on September 14, 2013, 10:33:10 PM
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*demarcus robinson's absence is what I'll lead off with. it's borderline criminal what Bill's done to this guy's career. drob looks like a runningback Wisconsin would trot out there and pick up 215 first half yards against indiana.
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Jake Waters is still somehow the starting QB. He hasn't recruited for crap on defense.
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Walker plays more than Moore.
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Andre McDonald doesn't get plays called for him(holding out hope that we have some secret plays for this secret weapon)
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Andre McDonald doesn't get plays called for him(holding out hope that we have some secret plays for this secret weapon)
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AM will get his calls, sooner or later. Bill always throws to the TE's in crossing patterns in critical situations a few times a year...he just bides his time to do so. Hoping he does it a few more times this season. We'll need it.
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kstate bball x2.
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no water fountains @ the wsc
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Dorian Roberts, Bake Slaughter, and Jonathan Truman are all starting over more talented players. We don't have a productive defensive end on the roster. Bill refuses to give Sams the opportunity to make this QB controversy remotely interesting. Rose should play in front of Hubert, and D-Rob should be playing in front of both of them. Waters is our starter, but we ran the rough ridin' ball all night long, when we should be running our full offense going into conference play. He hasn't canceled band day yet, even though it's a much bigger distraction than most of the stuff that he prohibits from happening. Nepotism.
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snydertunes.
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He conceived Sean.
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He's going to die eventually...
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He's going to die eventually...
:billdance:
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This is a probably stupid fanboy tuck thing to say, but the second string front 7 looked better than the 1st.
Dowling, Davis, Johnson, #13, and Coleman all look like they should start.
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Had Umass mailed it in by then to help make the second 7 look better?
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Had Umass mailed it in by then to help make the second 7 look better?
They were running the same crap they ran all game.
Really the only group that mailed it in was our entire team in the 1st quarter. Other than that and one drive in the second half, thendefense pretty much held UMass in check, and the offense looked pretty good.
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-Not developing the 2nd string fast enough for conference play. Especially at linebacker.
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-not utilizing Garden City as a pipeline. Can that Coaching staff be more Emaw? Why on Earth would Bill be selective about Juco recruits? You catch wind early in process that there's a stud LB, you immediately send Taylor Braet to practice to find out. Not Bill.
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-Where the hell is Deante Burton? Surely he can work on his run block skills against UMASS and make improvements for Big 12 play. Nope. Bill insists on leaving him at 3rd team.
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-You would think that Dakorey Johnson would need reps to adjust to Div I speed of offenses. Nope, Bill sits him on bench as we continually get gashed for 8 yards up the middle.
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
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Taping the LHC Bill Snyder Show drunk.
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
I was on board till this. This is way off the mark.
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Dorrian Roberts routinely gets left on an island and he sucks.
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Looks like Lefty has no clue what he's talking about when it comes to DR. I like the legend. I'm not a dumbass hayseed tho.
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D-Rob is my favorite back on the team.
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Didn't Robinson have some kind of health issue that eliminates him as a viable option to play every down?
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Dementia
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
I was on board till this. This is way off the mark.
Maybe I'm off the mark. Robinson messed up early in his playing career and hasn't made it out of Snyder's doghouse since. It's been 4 rough ridin' years though. Snyder doesn't play true freshman (very rarely I should say). He held out Sproles for 3 rough ridin' games his true freshman year for what?? So Scobey could prove how doghit he was?
He should've played Robinson from the beginning and this wouldn't even be an issue. Remember Randle from Okie St.....two different paths. That's why I say Snyder ruined Robinson's career.
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
I was on board till this. This is way off the mark.
Maybe I'm off the mark. Robinson messed up early in his playing career and hasn't made it out of Snyder's doghouse since. It's been 4 rough ridin' years though. Snyder doesn't play true freshman (very rarely I should say). He held out Sproles for 3 rough ridin' games his true freshman year for what?? So Scobey could prove how doghit he was?
He should've played Robinson from the beginning and this wouldn't even be an issue. Remember Randle from Okie St.....two different paths. That's why I say Snyder ruined Robinson's career.
I heard DRob just didn't have the assertiveness to seize the starting job from Hubes. :dunno:
He has the ability
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
I was on board till this. This is way off the mark.
Maybe I'm off the mark. Robinson messed up early in his playing career and hasn't made it out of Snyder's doghouse since. It's been 4 rough ridin' years though. Snyder doesn't play true freshman (very rarely I should say). He held out Sproles for 3 rough ridin' games his true freshman year for what?? So Scobey could prove how doghit he was?
He should've played Robinson from the beginning and this wouldn't even be an issue. Remember Randle from Okie St.....two different paths. That's why I say Snyder ruined Robinson's career.
scobey was a pro. not disagreeing with some of this but cmon man
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
I was on board till this. This is way off the mark.
Maybe I'm off the mark. Robinson messed up early in his playing career and hasn't made it out of Snyder's doghouse since. It's been 4 rough ridin' years though. Snyder doesn't play true freshman (very rarely I should say). He held out Sproles for 3 rough ridin' games his true freshman year for what?? So Scobey could prove how doghit he was?
He should've played Robinson from the beginning and this wouldn't even be an issue. Remember Randle from Okie St.....two different paths. That's why I say Snyder ruined Robinson's career.
scobey was a pro. not disagreeing with some of this but cmon man
Sproles also broke his collar bone in the 2nd game IIRC
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-I'm still mad that he's ruined Demarcus Robinson's career.
I was on board till this. This is way off the mark.
Maybe I'm off the mark. Robinson messed up early in his playing career and hasn't made it out of Snyder's doghouse since. It's been 4 rough ridin' years though. Snyder doesn't play true freshman (very rarely I should say). He held out Sproles for 3 rough ridin' games his true freshman year for what?? So Scobey could prove how doghit he was?
He should've played Robinson from the beginning and this wouldn't even be an issue. Remember Randle from Okie St.....two different paths. That's why I say Snyder ruined Robinson's career.
scobey was a pro. not disagreeing with some of this but cmon man
Sproles also broke his collar bone in the 2nd game IIRC
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I may be overracting fellas. Just venting.....But I'm tired of some of the crap Snyder is pulling. Same crap each year.
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I may be overracting fellas. Just venting.....But I'm tired of some of the crap Snyder is pulling. Same crap each year.
Overall, Snyder success speaks for itself but this Sams thing is hard to explain
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Last year was somewhat nice because he couldn't surprise anyone with Collin.
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I may be overracting fellas. Just venting.....But I'm tired of some of the crap Snyder is pulling. Same crap each year.
Major overreaction
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I may be overracting fellas. Just venting.....But I'm tired of some of the crap Snyder is pulling. Same crap each year.
bill does some annoying crap. but hey, we've won 23 out of our last 29 games. not blaming you for reacting the way you do, just trying to lift you up, friend.
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Plenty to critique about Bill this year and over his career, but there seems to be an implication that Robinson = Randle. I really think that if this was the case it would've shown up on the field by now. Generally if talented players are here all 4 years they make there way onto the field. I remember that after his SO year his HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous. If the kid could play he would be playing.
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I may be overracting fellas. Just venting.....But I'm tired of some of the crap Snyder is pulling. Same crap each year.
bill does some annoying crap. but hey, we've won 23 out of our last 29 games. not blaming you for reacting the way you do, just trying to lift you up, friend.
Thanks new friend. I agree that we've been fantastic the last few years and overachieved more than any other team. I'm not satisfied with 10 wins anymore. I want to take the next step.
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Plenty to critique about Bill this year and over his career, but there seems to be an implication that Robinson = Randle. I really think that if this was the case it would've shown up on the field by now. Generally if talented players are here all 4 years they make there way onto the field. I remember that after his SO year his HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous. If the kid could play he would be playing.
Nobody on this board knows what happened early in his career, me especially. This kid had true freshman talent though. If he were handled differently and asserted into the fold from the beginning, maybe Robinson would have handled things differently.
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got 99 problems but demrob aint one
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Plenty to critique about Bill this year and over his career, but there seems to be an implication that Robinson = Randle. I really think that if this was the case it would've shown up on the field by now. Generally if talented players are here all 4 years they make there way onto the field. I remember that after his SO year his HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous. If the kid could play he would be playing.
Nobody on this board knows what happened early in his career, me especially. This kid had true freshman talent though. If he were handled differently and asserted into the fold from the beginning, maybe Robinson would have handled things differently.
he got put on scout team, didn't stick out, missed a few practices contemplating quitting, and has been fighting back ever since.
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got 99 problems but demrob aint one
That's why I started the thread "reasons to be mad" .... list your's YLA!!
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HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous.
This is such a weird excuse
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Plenty to critique about Bill this year and over his career, but there seems to be an implication that Robinson = Randle. I really think that if this was the case it would've shown up on the field by now. Generally if talented players are here all 4 years they make there way onto the field. I remember that after his SO year his HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous. If the kid could play he would be playing.
Nobody on this board knows what happened early in his career, me especially. This kid had true freshman talent though. If he were handled differently and asserted into the fold from the beginning, maybe Robinson would have handled things differently.
FAN is correct as usual, there are very few guys with real talent that never got a chance. Bryce had a few opportunities and I believe he would of had more had he stayed and the Joe Hall and Daniel Davis types that got their shots.
That said, it seems like Snyder 2.0 has not rotated backs nearly as much as I remember him doing the first time around. Obviously having DT in 09 and 10 makes it seem like a no brainer (William Powell's 10.9 ypc tho). Now we have his commitment to Hubert, who is not a gifted as DT or DS but seems to be getting the a similar percentage of carries, even though we have a some guys on the bench that could at least be a good change of pace.
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Plenty to critique about Bill this year and over his career, but there seems to be an implication that Robinson = Randle. I really think that if this was the case it would've shown up on the field by now. Generally if talented players are here all 4 years they make there way onto the field. I remember that after his SO year his HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous. If the kid could play he would be playing.
Nobody on this board knows what happened early in his career, me especially. This kid had true freshman talent though. If he were handled differently and asserted into the fold from the beginning, maybe Robinson would have handled things differently.
FAN is correct as usual, there are very few guys with real talent that never got a chance. Bryce had a few opportunities and I believe he would of had more had he stayed and the Joe Hall and Daniel Davis types that got their shots.
That said, it seems like Snyder 2.0 has not rotated backs nearly as much as I remember him doing the first time around. Obviously having DT in 09 and 10 makes it seem like a no brainer (William Powell's 10.9 ypc tho). Now we have his commitment to Hubert, who is not a gifted as DT or DS but seems to be getting the a similar percentage of carries, even though we have a some guys on the bench that could at least be a good change of pace.
I think its fair that a change of pace back would be nice, especially some one with more size to go along with Hubert. I heard good things about Leverett in the spring, so I thought maybe he'd be the guy, but that doesn't seem to be the case. As is, our back up is smaller than our already small feature back.
To be fair, I think the staff had a guy each year since they've came back, but they didn't always work out completely. Powell got hurt while Thomas was here and Pease reportedly had some concussion issues his first year, and never got fully implemented.
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Plenty to critique about Bill this year and over his career, but there seems to be an implication that Robinson = Randle. I really think that if this was the case it would've shown up on the field by now. Generally if talented players are here all 4 years they make there way onto the field. I remember that after his SO year his HS coach was making excuses for Robinson that he didn't get the reps in practice because other guys would jump in ahead of him, which IMO is ridiculous. If the kid could play he would be playing.
Nobody on this board knows what happened early in his career, me especially. This kid had true freshman talent though. If he were handled differently and asserted into the fold from the beginning, maybe Robinson would have handled things differently.
FAN is correct as usual, there are very few guys with real talent that never got a chance. Bryce had a few opportunities and I believe he would of had more had he stayed and the Joe Hall and Daniel Davis types that got their shots.
That said, it seems like Snyder 2.0 has not rotated backs nearly as much as I remember him doing the first time around. Obviously having DT in 09 and 10 makes it seem like a no brainer (William Powell's 10.9 ypc tho). Now we have his commitment to Hubert, who is not a gifted as DT or DS but seems to be getting the a similar percentage of carries, even though we have a some guys on the bench that could at least be a good change of pace.
I think its fair that a change of pace back would be nice, especially some one with more size to go along with Hubert. I heard good things about Leverett in the spring, so I thought maybe he'd be the guy, but that doesn't seem to be the case. As is, our back up is smaller than our already small feature back.
To be fair, I think the staff had a guy each year since they've came back, but they didn't always work out completely. Powell got hurt while Thomas was here and Pease reportedly had some concussion issues his first year, and never got fully implemented.
FAN, would you say the system Snyder is running now is more demanding of the RB than what he was doing the first time?
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got 99 problems but demrob aint one
That's why I started the thread "reasons to be mad" .... list your's YLA!!
Dorrian Roberts routinely gets left on an island and he sucks.
^my biggest complaint
but I do wish we had a different back.. hubert is the worst imo and now that he doesn't have a running quarterback(more dsams please) to open up a running game for him his suckiness is shining through.
he is the absolute worst. routinely arm tackled, takes forever to find a hole, not explosive, dece hands though & good not coughing up the ball.. basically he is not a big XII back. great possession back though
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Lack of hurry up offense and general confusion near end of half/end of game. Nothing is more frustrating as a fan than seeing our guys steam roll to the 8 yard line and then piss away a chance to score because of lack of timeout/lack of play call immediately following a time out/ QB uncertain of which play to call because he's confused.
Remember the first offensive play of this year? That's right, we line up and then call a timeout.
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Sometimes you just gotta hand the ball to a talented guy and let'm run.
I've said it before, but there were multiple times in 2011 and 2012 that a more explosive/speedier back takes the ball to the house when Hubert gets caught, or run out-of-bounds.
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FAN, would you say the system Snyder is running now is more demanding of the RB than what he was doing the first time?
Good question.
I don't think a lot of the responsibilities have changed; namely the role in pass protection has always been there. However, in the current system, our backs have to be able to run from the I-formation on lead/power plays, run inside/outside zone plays from 1 back sets, run pistol formation in shotgun, and mesh with the QB on the read option. That's definitely more than in the past, and some backs are "more comfortable" in some sets and not others. The ability to be pretty decent from all the alignments that Snyder demands isn't an insignificant detail in how backs fit in and find a role here. It seems that Snyder (and Dimel, the RB coach as well as OC) aren't willing to put guys in just certain sets; they want backs that can fit into the entire offense and if you can't then you will have a tough time seeing the field. And don't discount the value of our backs developing a type of chemistry with the QB on read option plays when they have the ball in the mesh and may or may not get the carry. I'm pretty sure that Robinson was an I back from a power running scheme in HS and that could be part of the reason he's had trouble transitioning to Snyder's system over his career.
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FAN, would you say the system Snyder is running now is more demanding of the RB than what he was doing the first time?
Good question.
I don't think a lot of the responsibilities have changed; namely the role in pass protection has always been there. However, in the current system, our backs have to be able to run from the I-formation on lead/power plays, run inside/outside zone plays from 1 back sets, run pistol formation in shotgun, and mesh with the QB on the read option. That's definitely more than in the past, and some backs are "more comfortable" in some sets and not others. The ability to be pretty decent from all the alignments that Snyder demands isn't an insignificant detail in how backs fit in and find a role here. It seems that Snyder (and Dimel, the RB coach as well as OC) aren't willing to put guys in just certain sets; they want backs that can fit into the entire offense and if you can't then you will have a tough time seeing the field. And don't discount the value of our backs developing a type of chemistry with the QB on read option plays when they have the ball in the mesh and may or may not get the carry. I'm pretty sure that Robinson was an I back from a power running scheme in HS and that could be part of the reason he's had trouble transitioning to Snyder's system over his career.
yes, that is just the answer I was looking for. The part about zone read chemistry is prolly one of the things that keeps Hubert on the field the most - I can't recall CK and him ever screwing that up.
I would like to see this coaching staff give a guy like Robinson a shot at doing what he does best, especially if we are going to play Waters. A power I back and pure pocket passer seem like a pretty good combo when you have two legit threats at WR.
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[/quote]yes, that is just the answer I was looking for. The part about zone read chemistry is prolly one of the things that keeps Hubert on the field the most - I can't recall CK and him ever screwing that up.
I would like to see this coaching staff give a guy like Robinson a shot at doing what he does best, especially if we are going to play Waters. A power I back and pure pocket passer seem like a pretty good combo when you have two legit threats at WR.
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Boom and my exact thoughts. This seems like a very good combo.