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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: raquetcat on July 29, 2013, 09:53:37 PM
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Here is the situation:
I have completed 6 hours at Colorado State's MBA program, but they raised
the price significantly which made me look to see what other online MBA
programs out there cost. I basically have 2 options; stay at Colorado State or a similar type state school (for which tuition is approximately the same) or transfer to a smaller school
Here is my choice:
Complete the MBA that I've started at CSU, this requires 34 more hours at $870/credit hour = $29,580
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Transfer to Fort Hays State and complete their online MBA program; this requires 40 more hours at $400/credit hour = $16,000
I'm not going to take out loans for either program, but is CSU's education and name recognition (I know it's no ivy league school, but it still sounds better than Phoenix, FHSU, etc., imo) worth twice as much as FHSU's education?
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At that level, it doesn't matter IMO. Seems like a huge rip either way, really.
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unless you're going to a top 10 school, it really won't matter
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Attend Stanford or NYU imo. hope that helps
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unless you're going to a top 10 school, it really won't matter
Yeah, he says Hays is better than Phoenix but I don't really know how.
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Well, Fanning is successful as crap so I'd say his Phoenix MBA worked out pretty well for him
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Well, Fanning is successful as crap so I'd say his Phoenix MBA worked out pretty well for him
It's definitely no worse than Hays or CSU.
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Clams and MC are right. Unless you go to a Top 10-20 school, it's not worth your time or money.
If you already make $70k a year or more, an MBA outside of the Top 20 isn't worth your time or investment. Folks who graduate from a top school usually make between $100-150k a year. Some will make more, but not many.
Let me put it this way; I have managed people with MBA's from smaller schools, that aren't ranked or accredited, and I pay the smart kid fom DeVry more than them because their degree is worth about the same amount.
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Hays is better than Phoenix, just because its not Phoenix. I think raquetcat is in an industrial/manufacturing setting. He might just be looking for a degree to check a box to move up. However, those that get it from Phoenix look like they are trying take a short cut. I'd stick with CSU, but I don't know where he lives or where he wants to go.
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I'd stay at CSU just for the fact that you'd be in Ft Collins
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Hays is better than Phoenix, just because its not Phoenix. I think raquetcat is in an industrial/manufacturing setting. He might just be looking for a degree to check a box to move up. However, those that get it from Phoenix look like they are trying take a short cut. I'd stick with CSU, but I don't know where he lives or where he wants to go.
If that's the case, he should check with HR to see if there are pay scale differences for MBA's, and if so, what schools qualify for the increase. They probably have a list.
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fanning got his MBA from phoenix? :lol:
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Hays is better than Phoenix, just because its not Phoenix. I think raquetcat is in an industrial/manufacturing setting. He might just be looking for a degree to check a box to move up. However, those that get it from Phoenix look like they are trying take a short cut. I'd stick with CSU, but I don't know where he lives or where he wants to go.
If that's the case, he should check with HR to see if there are pay scale differences for MBA's, and if so, what schools qualify for the increase. They probably have a list.
There is no pay raise with an MBA. If you want to get to director of ops/manufacturing/supply chain you usually need a masters. Those that have the masters have a much better shot at a good manager job because you already have the qualification. The name of the school matters on your résumé because there is association with how serious you took it or if you're trying to ease your way in. There is the thought "that MBA costs more, so they probably took it more seriously".
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Manufacturing hr people sound like complete morons
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Hays is better than Phoenix, just because its not Phoenix. I think raquetcat is in an industrial/manufacturing setting. He might just be looking for a degree to check a box to move up. However, those that get it from Phoenix look like they are trying take a short cut. I'd stick with CSU, but I don't know where he lives or where he wants to go.
If that's the case, he should check with HR to see if there are pay scale differences for MBA's, and if so, what schools qualify for the increase. They probably have a list.
both programs are online so the beauty of Ft. Collins over any other place really doesn't factor in. I am basically checking a box, as long as the program is accredited (which both of these are) then it doesn't matter where it comes from, I get a 10% pay bump, and a better chance at a promotion. I have an engineering bachelor's, but I'm hoping the MBA will convince hiring types that I have the knowledge to work in other areas.
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Manufacturing hr people sound like complete morons
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Hays is better than Phoenix, just because its not Phoenix. I think raquetcat is in an industrial/manufacturing setting. He might just be looking for a degree to check a box to move up. However, those that get it from Phoenix look like they are trying take a short cut. I'd stick with CSU, but I don't know where he lives or where he wants to go.
If that's the case, he should check with HR to see if there are pay scale differences for MBA's, and if so, what schools qualify for the increase. They probably have a list.
There is no pay raise with an MBA. If you want to get to director of ops/manufacturing/supply chain you usually need a masters. Those that have the masters have a much better shot at a good manager job because you already have the qualification. The name of the school matters on your résumé because there is association with how serious you took it or if you're trying to ease your way in. There is the thought "that MBA costs more, so they probably took it more seriously".
that's exactly what my dad said! :)
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Manufacturing hr people sound like complete morons
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most HR people that I've met are morons, but you gotta learn to play the game (or switch games and at this point I don't know what game I would want to switch to)
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I'd ask an hr person or your boss what they think. I really don't think most companies would know the difference between fhsu and CSU degrees (I don't), so I would lean toward the cheapest option.
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Manufacturing hr people sound like complete morons
Manufacturing HR people have nothing to do with it. They don't make any decisions. At that level there are so few candidates they all go to whoever is doing the hiring. There is a correlation. If you are willing to get an MBA at somewhere that costs more and demands more while working, you probably have a better work ethic. I've worked with a lot of both types, and while there are some exceptions, that general thinking holds true.
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Hays is better than Phoenix, just because its not Phoenix. I think raquetcat is in an industrial/manufacturing setting. He might just be looking for a degree to check a box to move up. However, those that get it from Phoenix look like they are trying take a short cut. I'd stick with CSU, but I don't know where he lives or where he wants to go.
If that's the case, he should check with HR to see if there are pay scale differences for MBA's, and if so, what schools qualify for the increase. They probably have a list.
There is no pay raise with an MBA. If you want to get to director of ops/manufacturing/supply chain you usually need a masters. Those that have the masters have a much better shot at a good manager job because you already have the qualification. The name of the school matters on your résumé because there is association with how serious you took it or if you're trying to ease your way in. There is the thought "that MBA costs more, so they probably took it more seriously".
Most of that is true, but some companies will offer a flat rate increase for an approved masters degree.
But, yes, there is a correlation between cost, admittance standards, ranking and what kind of job you want with the degree.
If you just want to be a manager, then CSU is fine. If you want to be an exec, aim higher.
There are better schools out there doing some really innovative things in the online space. Indiana, UNC, and Carnegie Mellon offer online versions of their upper level MBA degrees that are better than anything discussed in this thread. I've considered a joint MBA/MS from Indiana, because the program sounds really neat, but that would be a novelty at this point.
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Manufacturing hr people sound like complete morons
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most HR people that I've met are morons, but you gotta learn to play the game (or switch games and at this point I don't know what game I would want to switch to)
I will add that if you don't know what you want to do you should DEFINITELY take the cheaper route so you can basically pay for it in 2-3 years. Or not get an MBA at all.
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just get a women's studies degree. it has (unintentionally) been about the first thing asked about during every job interview i've ever had.
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just get a women's studies degree. it has (unintentionally) been about the first thing asked about during every job interview i've ever had.
I bet you met tons of babes
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What is left out in all of this is whether you actually learn something you can use to make more money (or be in a role you enjoy more than your current role).
You need to decide if those things are a reality if you get a graduate degree.
I went straight through from undergrad to grad, because I was an ignorant kid. However, I got lucky and got a good gig where I was able to learn a ton....and I would never have gotten that gig if I didn't get the grad degree.
Putting your fate into the hands of some "HR" person is crazy. Make yourself marketable, and never speak to an HR person in your life again...cept for stuff like W2 withholding numbers or $5 jeans day.
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Manufacturing hr people sound like complete morons
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just get a women's studies degree. it has (unintentionally) been about the first thing asked about during every job interview i've ever had.
I bet you met tons of babes
I'd be like "Hey babe, guess what, YOU are my field of study here at KSU" every time I met a babe. Would it work? dunno. never tried it.
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"You're a women's studies major?"
"Yeah girl. It means I understand you"
Tobias come on man spill the beans. Did this major help you mack on babes?
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"You're a women's studies major?"
"Yeah girl. It means I understand you"
Tobias come on man spill the beans. Did this major help you mack on babes?
nope
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Putting your fate into the hands of some "HR" person is crazy. Make yourself marketable, and never speak to an HR person in your life again...cept for stuff like W2 withholding numbers or $5 jeans day.
It depends on what you want your MBA to be.
If you just want a pay bump, you better talk to HR to see if that school will get you one. At some companies, an MBA from a particular school will get you preferred access into a fast track program. You shouldn't make your decision based on that, but it's information you should know. It could be helpful.
My company has a short list of MBA programs that qualify for the above. I found that out by asking HR. :D
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Raquet, if you decide you just want the MBA degree from an accredited program, there are options significantly cheaper than Hays. My nephew did a 30 hour mba program, completely online, $250 per credit hour, and got himself a 12.5% raise. He also used his bumped up status to get a transfer to a city more to his liking. But yeah, you do want to make sure your employer has the WGAF attitude toward where the degree was earned.
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to be honest here, in some ways i look at people who waste their time/money on an MBA today as worse candidates than those that weren't dumb enough to fall into the trap. a good portion of MBA graduate programs today are nothing more than for-profit degree factories. the course of study is not difficult and the degree has become diluted to the point that it holds a negative value.
unless you're going to a top 10 program. i obviously think of those programs in a different light, as people should.
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to be honest here, in some ways i look at people who waste their time/money on an MBA today as worse candidates than those that weren't dumb enough to fall into the trap. a good portion of MBA graduate programs today are nothing more than for-profit degree factories. the course of study is not difficult and the degree has become diluted to the point that it holds a negative value.
unless you're going to a top 10 program. i obviously think of those programs in a different light, as people should.
Agree, and the top 10 schools are pretty much just profit favorites without a difficult curriculum, too. Their value comes from the admissions process that pretty much only lets the elites of the elite through.
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It doesn't matter. Especially since most employers know you'll need night classes to achieve it. Baker's MBA gets talked up a lot here in KC though.
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to be honest here, in some ways i look at people who waste their time/money on an MBA today as worse candidates than those that weren't dumb enough to fall into the trap. a good portion of MBA graduate programs today are nothing more than for-profit degree factories. the course of study is not difficult and the degree has become diluted to the point that it holds a negative value.
unless you're going to a top 10 program. i obviously think of those programs in a different light, as people should.
I can agree with this, however, if your company wants to pay for it, GET IT! Think of it as a raise or an extra 25K in benefits.
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Raquet, if you decide you just want the MBA degree from an accredited program, there are options significantly cheaper than Hays. My nephew did a 30 hour mba program, completely online, $250 per credit hour, and got himself a 12.5% raise. He also used his bumped up status to get a transfer to a city more to his liking. But yeah, you do want to make sure your employer has the WGAF attitude toward where the degree was earned.
On this note, my wife is getting hers through Emporia online for like $300/hr.
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Raquet, if you decide you just want the MBA degree from an accredited program, there are options significantly cheaper than Hays. My nephew did a 30 hour mba program, completely online, $250 per credit hour, and got himself a 12.5% raise. He also used his bumped up status to get a transfer to a city more to his liking. But yeah, you do want to make sure your employer has the WGAF attitude toward where the degree was earned.
On this note, my wife is getting hers through Emporia online for like $300/hr.
Smart Women!
P.S.- If you seriously ever have questions on who's screwing who in the game of education, please don't be afraid to approach me. I was in the "recruitment" game for three years. I know the biz.
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Raquet, if you decide you just want the MBA degree from an accredited program, there are options significantly cheaper than Hays. My nephew did a 30 hour mba program, completely online, $250 per credit hour, and got himself a 12.5% raise. He also used his bumped up status to get a transfer to a city more to his liking. But yeah, you do want to make sure your employer has the WGAF attitude toward where the degree was earned.
On this note, my wife is getting hers through Emporia online for like $300/hr.
Smart Women!
P.S.- If you seriously ever have questions on who's screwing who in the game of education, please don't be afraid to approach me. I was in the "recruitment" game for three years. I know the biz.
Oh man! There were some big shake ups in the higher level admins this summer and rumors are huge. Like, someone should be going to prison huge. Like, state employee taking very large insurance company kickbacks huge.
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Raquet, if you decide you just want the MBA degree from an accredited program, there are options significantly cheaper than Hays. My nephew did a 30 hour mba program, completely online, $250 per credit hour, and got himself a 12.5% raise. He also used his bumped up status to get a transfer to a city more to his liking. But yeah, you do want to make sure your employer has the WGAF attitude toward where the degree was earned.
What school did he go through?
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Raquet, if you decide you just want the MBA degree from an accredited program, there are options significantly cheaper than Hays. My nephew did a 30 hour mba program, completely online, $250 per credit hour, and got himself a 12.5% raise. He also used his bumped up status to get a transfer to a city more to his liking. But yeah, you do want to make sure your employer has the WGAF attitude toward where the degree was earned.
On this note, my wife is getting hers through Emporia online for like $300/hr.
Smart Women!
P.S.- If you seriously ever have questions on who's screwing who in the game of education, please don't be afraid to approach me. I was in the "recruitment" game for three years. I know the biz.
Oh man! There were some big shake ups in the higher level admins this summer and rumors are huge. Like, someone should be going to prison huge. Like, state employee taking very large insurance company kickbacks huge.
The government is starting to take a strangle hold on for profits nuts. Watching the slow dying death of UOP was kind of depressing to me. You can make fun of Phoenix all you want, but they were the first to create the online platform that many schools are implementing for grad students.
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dont ever pay for a MBA. thats my advice.
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What school did he go through?
Wayne State. He liked it b/c of the 30 hour requirement -- lower than most of the others he found. Also, they accepted a couple of classes he had taken at another school.
http://www.wsc.edu/mba/prog_faq/ (http://www.wsc.edu/mba/prog_faq/)
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What school did he go through?
Wayne State. He liked it b/c of the 30 hour requirement -- lower than most of the others he found. Also, they accepted a couple of classes he had taken at another school.
http://www.wsc.edu/mba/prog_faq/ (http://www.wsc.edu/mba/prog_faq/)
Most MBA programs are 36 hours. He saved himself about 3 months. Good for him.
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dont ever pay for a MBA. thats my advice.
I almost did this. My previous employer would have covered it but only if I stayed for 5yrs after mba completion. Told them to GTFOOMF with that 5yr noise.
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to be honest here, in some ways i look at people who waste their time/money on an MBA today as worse candidates than those that weren't dumb enough to fall into the trap. a good portion of MBA graduate programs today are nothing more than for-profit degree factories. the course of study is not difficult and the degree has become diluted to the point that it holds a negative value.
unless you're going to a top 10 program. i obviously think of those programs in a different light, as people should.
Uh, all of them are for-profit...why do you think Harvard has the largest and one of the most expensive MBA programs?
Top 10ish programs give you more options throughout the country, represent large salary increases, and give you a pretty sweet alumni network.
Top 25ish programs are more regionally connected, but still offer pretty substantial salary increases for most industries.
Beyond top 25ish, a complete waste of $.
FWIW - From what I've experienced, MBAs at the top schools are so geared toward consultant type that if you plan on staying at your current (non-consulting) job, don't waste your time. IMO, the whole point of top 25 MBA is to label yourself as smart and successful in order to impress clients, not your boss or coworkers - your work will do that.
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I really do feel like my Masters helped me out in a few areas. Polishing up public speaking, grammar (I know, laugh it up), and business critical thinking. K-State is such a close knit school with our professors. I think they let me get away with too much, cause most of them knew who I was, by being an ambassador for the journalism school. They should have really docked me for my written grammar, so I could have got on top of it ahead of time.
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dont ever pay for a MBA. thats my advice.
I almost did this. My previous employer would have covered it but only if I stayed for 5yrs after mba completion. Told them to GTFOOMF with that 5yr noise.
yeah, my company makes you stay the same number of years it takes you to get your MBA. and they only pay for As and Bs. seems fair to me :dunno:
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What school did he go through?
Wayne State. He liked it b/c of the 30 hour requirement -- lower than most of the others he found. Also, they accepted a couple of classes he had taken at another school.
http://www.wsc.edu/mba/prog_faq/ (http://www.wsc.edu/mba/prog_faq/)
Wow that's cheap, and short, and no real pre requisites, might have to seriously consider it if I transfer
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just think about this... for the next thirty to forty years you will occasionally have to answer the question "so where did you get your mba from?" if you are ok saying "online through wayne state" then get it online through wayne state.
if not, then think long and hard about how much money, time and effort you are willing to put into this. if it's just a box to check for your job or whatever and it's pretty common place for people to do that then great. if not then why bother?
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Don't choose your MBA based on the level of football the college plays.
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Don't choose your MBA based on the level of football the college plays.
that's actually a pretty decent reason imo. pick your favorite sport and then pick the school that's best at it and boom you have another school to follow and nobody can give you crap because ummm, i mean, look at the wall.
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Being at the UOP stadium for the Fiesta Bowl practically felt like home. I hope the UOP Cardinals make a run at the Super Bowl this year. :love:
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Don't choose your MBA based on the level of football the college plays.
that's actually a pretty decent reason imo. pick your favorite sport and then pick the school that's best at it and boom you have another school to follow and nobody can give you crap because ummm, i mean look at the wall.
Also, your next boss may really like whatevs football school you choose and give you preferential treatment for that.
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Wow that's cheap, and short, and no real pre requisites, might have to seriously consider it if I transfer
I'm sure there are other schools with similar costs/requirements. Maybe you can even find one with a good football program!
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just think about this... for the next thirty to forty years you will occasionally have to answer the question "so where did you get your mba from?" if you are ok saying "online through wayne state" then get it online through wayne state.
if not, then think long and hard about how much money, time and effort you are willing to put into this. if it's just a box to check for your job or whatever and it's pretty common place for people to do that then great. if not then why bother?
This is one of the main things that's holding me back, I don't really want to defend a degree from Wayne state or fort Hays, but at the same time I don't feel like CSU's or any other state school's education is worth twice as much...
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to be honest here, in some ways i look at people who waste their time/money on an MBA today as worse candidates than those that weren't dumb enough to fall into the trap. a good portion of MBA graduate programs today are nothing more than for-profit degree factories. the course of study is not difficult and the degree has become diluted to the point that it holds a negative value.
unless you're going to a top 10 program. i obviously think of those programs in a different light, as people should.
Uh, all of them are for-profit...why do you think Harvard has the largest and one of the most expensive MBA programs?
Top 10ish programs give you more options throughout the country, represent large salary increases, and give you a pretty sweet alumni network.
Top 25ish programs are more regionally connected, but still offer pretty substantial salary increases for most industries.
Beyond top 25ish, a complete waste of $.
FWIW - From what I've experienced, MBAs at the top schools are so geared toward consultant type that if you plan on staying at your current (non-consulting) job, don't waste your time. IMO, the whole point of top 25 MBA is to label yourself as smart and successful in order to impress clients, not your boss or coworkers - your work will do that.
ya they're all for profit, that's what i said. thanks- you must have gone to one of the good schools. finish the sentence i wrote. for profit degree factories- the implication is that you go through, pay your $$ way too much per credit hour fee and leave with a worthless degree that will offer no incremental career advancement beyond what your actual working experience would have.
the top 10 programs, as i have repeatedly pointed out, offer much more than that, including the opportunity to network with the people whom place dollar value in the degree.
keep up the great work, sparky
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As someone that has been in the field of academia and private practice, I can tell you that where you got your degree does matter but only in the eyes of academics. For example, when I was a post-doc, I was responsible for admitting new graduate students that will work under me for 3 years (and my facilitating professor). When we met, we threw out all online applications due to perceived level of time committment. We weren't going to bring in and pay for students that aren't used to a rigid schedule. School on your own time is great, but not for grad school.
In the realm of business, our private practice (through the state of Iowa) just interviewed for an administrative position. The candidate that had the best resume attended school online through Auburn University at Montgomery. They obtained their master's there and they had a stacked resume in addition.
This is two sides to the same question but academics tend to look down on online degree (transfer credits are a whole different beast), but (I can only speak for our practice) we didn't look down on it for our practice.
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just think about this... for the next thirty to forty years you will occasionally have to answer the question "so where did you get your mba from?" if you are ok saying "online through wayne state" then get it online through wayne state.
if not, then think long and hard about how much money, time and effort you are willing to put into this. if it's just a box to check for your job or whatever and it's pretty common place for people to do that then great. if not then why bother?
This is one of the main things that's holding me back, I don't really want to defend a degree from Wayne state or fort Hays, but at the same time I don't feel like CSU's or any other state school's education is worth twice as much...
Make no mistake, Wayne State is actually a good school. Fort Hays State (meh), but Wayne State has tremendous programs where many of the graduates there with higher level advanced degrees go on to become faculty at more "prestigious" universities.
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including the opportunity to network with the people whom place dollar value in the degree.
this seems like the biggest advantage re: top 10. dunno.
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As someone that has been in the field of academia and private practice, I can tell you that where you got your degree does matter but only in the eyes of academics. For example, when I was a post-doc, I was responsible for admitting new graduate students that will work under me for 3 years (and my facilitating professor). When we met, we threw out all online applications due to perceived level of time committment. We weren't going to bring in and pay for students that aren't used to a rigid schedule. School on your own time is great, but not for grad school.
In the realm of business, our private practice (through the state of Iowa) just interviewed for an administrative position. The candidate that had the best resume attended school online through Auburn University at Montgomery. They obtained their master's there and they had a stacked resume in addition.
This is two sides to the same question but academics tend to look down on online degree (transfer credits are a whole different beast), but (I can only speak for our practice) we didn't look down on it for our practice.
we're talking about MBA's here
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including the opportunity to network with the people whom place dollar value in the degree.
this seems like the biggest advantage re: top 10. dunno.
no doubt
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Just stick with CSU. Sure it's pricey but in the grand scheme of things over your career $15K is nothing. Basically it's a small percentage of one year's pay. Plus transferring in the middle of a program just seems like a hassle and might set you back some progress anyway.
It's kind of like I told my buddy who is balking at the $10K it's going to cost him in fertility treatments so his wife can have a baby. It's going to cost him several 100K to raise a kid and get him through college in the long run $10K more is nothing. You can spend that on day care in the first year.
You're going to earn millions of dollars in your lifetime in the long run $15K more to maybe help further your career is nothing. I mean if you can make just $5k more per year with the CSU degree then it pays for itself in three years.
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"You're a women's studies major?"
"Yeah girl. It means I understand you"
Tobias come on man spill the beans. Did this major help you mack on babes?
nope
damn.
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just think about this... for the next thirty to forty years you will occasionally have to answer the question "so where did you get your mba from?" if you are ok saying "online through wayne state" then get it online through wayne state.
if not, then think long and hard about how much money, time and effort you are willing to put into this. if it's just a box to check for your job or whatever and it's pretty common place for people to do that then great. if not then why bother?
This is one of the main things that's holding me back, I don't really want to defend a degree from Wayne state or fort Hays, but at the same time I don't feel like CSU's or any other state school's education is worth twice as much...
Make no mistake, Wayne State is actually a good school. Fort Hays State (meh), but Wayne State has tremendous programs where many of the graduates there with higher level advanced degrees go on to become faculty at more "prestigious" universities.
Are we talking about the same Wayne state? I'm talking about the Wayne state college in Nebraska...
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just think about this... for the next thirty to forty years you will occasionally have to answer the question "so where did you get your mba from?" if you are ok saying "online through wayne state" then get it online through wayne state.
if not, then think long and hard about how much money, time and effort you are willing to put into this. if it's just a box to check for your job or whatever and it's pretty common place for people to do that then great. if not then why bother?
This is one of the main things that's holding me back, I don't really want to defend a degree from Wayne state or fort Hays, but at the same time I don't feel like CSU's or any other state school's education is worth twice as much...
Make no mistake, Wayne State is actually a good school. Fort Hays State (meh), but Wayne State has tremendous programs where many of the graduates there with higher level advanced degrees go on to become faculty at more "prestigious" universities.
Are we talking about the same Wayne state? I'm talking about the Wayne state college in Nebraska...
Wayne State in Michigan. I have no idea about Wayne State College. Our practice didn't care where our new hire got their MBA, it was just something we were after. Academics care more about where you got it than most businesses (outside of the top 25 or so MBA programs).
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One of my favorite parts of this thread is how few people actually read what was posted before they posted.
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Don't choose your MBA based on the level of football the college plays.
that's actually a pretty decent reason imo. pick your favorite sport and then pick the school that's best at it and boom you have another school to follow and nobody can give you crap because ummm, i mean, look at the wall.
Looks like I need to get an MBA from Ohio State. RingsForTattooAggie here I come! :drool:
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One of my favorite parts of this thread is how few people actually read what was posted before they posted.
DNR
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Let the MBA come to you.
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I really do feel like my Masters helped me out in a few areas. Polishing up public speaking, grammar (I know, laugh it up), and business critical thinking. K-State is such a close knit school with our professors. I think they let me get away with too much, cause most of them knew who I was, by being an ambassador for the journalism school. They should have really docked me for my written grammar, so I could have got on top of it ahead of time.
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I really do feel like my Masters helped me out in a few areas. Polishing up public speaking, grammar (I know, laugh it up), and business critical thinking. K-State is such a close knit school with our professors. I think they let me get away with too much, cause most of them knew who I was, by being an ambassador for the journalism school. They should have really docked me for my written grammar, so I could have got on top of it ahead of time.
« Last Edit: Today at 09:56:35 AM by WackySquawk08 »
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business critical thinking
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Lets all gang around and beat up on the Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) you guys. :frown:
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
what you've described is actually not good for him
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
This seems like an incredibly bad idea. Just astronomically bad.
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
what you've described is actually not good for him
This seems like an incredibly bad idea. Just astronomically bad.
Yeah, his dad is not happy...but then again this guy had a really shitty home life(lived in vegas motels with meth'd out mom until high school, moved to joco to live with alchy dad) and managed to get a full ride to KU and land a sweet gig in dallas.
His goal is to be an investment banker after he graduates cornell so i wish him the best.
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
what you've described is actually not good for him
This seems like an incredibly bad idea. Just astronomically bad.
Yeah, his dad is not happy...but then again this guy had a really shitty home life(lived in vegas motels with meth'd out mom until high school, moved to joco to live with alchy dad) and managed to get a full ride to KU and land a sweet gig in dallas.
His goal is to be an investment banker after he graduates cornell so i wish him the best.
He could make a lot more money as an investment banker, no doubt. However, that business is extremely cut throat and hard to make it in. Not sure if it is worth gambling 160k/year, especially if there is a chance for growth in that company. Best of luck to him though, he will need it in the investment banking world.
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
what you've described is actually not good for him
This seems like an incredibly bad idea. Just astronomically bad.
Yeah, his dad is not happy...but then again this guy had a really shitty home life(lived in vegas motels with meth'd out mom until high school, moved to joco to live with alchy dad) and managed to get a full ride to KU and land a sweet gig in dallas.
His goal is to be an investment banker after he graduates cornell so i wish him the best.
He could make a lot more money as an investment banker, no doubt. However, that business is extremely cut throat and hard to make it in. Not sure if it is worth gambling 160k/year, especially if there is a chance for growth in that company. Best of luck to him though, he will need it in the investment banking world.
He's not making $160k/year. Well, he might be, but not because ben ji posted that he'd be taking out 160k in loans.
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One of my good buddies from HS got a degree in Finance from KU and had a pretty sweet job down in Dallas. Just quit his job and will be taking on around 160k in student loans to get an MBA from Cornell....Not something I would do but good for him.
what you've described is actually not good for him
This seems like an incredibly bad idea. Just astronomically bad.
Yeah, his dad is not happy...but then again this guy had a really shitty home life(lived in vegas motels with meth'd out mom until high school, moved to joco to live with alchy dad) and managed to get a full ride to KU and land a sweet gig in dallas.
His goal is to be an investment banker after he graduates cornell so i wish him the best.
He could make a lot more money as an investment banker, no doubt. However, that business is extremely cut throat and hard to make it in. Not sure if it is worth gambling 160k/year, especially if there is a chance for growth in that company. Best of luck to him though, he will need it in the investment banking world.
He's not making $160k/year. Well, he might be, but not because ben ji posted that he'd be taking out 160k in loans.
Welp. crap. On the plus side: it makes the decision look significantly better.
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Cornell is a top ten program, I thought that made it worth it.
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Cornell is a top ten program, I thought that made it worth it.
It depends upon your situation. If it's likely to give you a significant career bump, do it. If not, (which in all likelihood, it wouldn't in a $160k/year situation like I was reading but was not described) then it is a waste of time.
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Those guys end up working 80 hours a week anyway. No thanks.
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Cornell is a top ten program, I thought that made it worth it.
there's a reason why you never made it into a top ten MBA program
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I can confirm that an MBA from the University of Kansas was totally worth it because I quit my job, got to enjoy an extra year and half of college and it was paid for. The program was pretty pud. I took 18 hours a semester and still had plenty of time for binging. Am I making more money now because of my MBA? Probably not but it was still worth it.
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eh, Cornell is sort of close to top 10. But expensive is better, right?
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yeah. really the only good part about getting an mba at a non top tenish school would be if you quit work for two years to do it. college life is pretty great. that and again, you'd theoretically have another school to root for in sports if you played your cards right. mba from oklahoma state? you just doubled your chance at a dr pepper. :gocho:
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It would seem to smarter to spend $160k on an Ivy League MBA than $100k on a state MBA and that doesn't even begin to add in the networking possibilities of attending a school like Cornell. If the guy has worked some and now really wants be an investment banker, it seems like a pretty safe investment.
There are thousands of new grads on the east coast that will have six figures in debt for their infinitely less marketable undergrad degrees from a "prestigious" private school.
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i hear ithaca is pretty nice in the winter. good call on his part, imo.
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mba from oklahoma state? you just doubled your chance at a dr pepper.
Not getting an mba, but will be starting grad school there in a few weeks.
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It would seem to smarter to spend $160k on an Ivy League MBA than $100k on a state MBA and that doesn't even begin to add in the networking possibilities of attending a school like Cornell. If the guy has worked some and now really wants be an investment banker, it seems like a pretty safe investment.
There are thousands of new grads on the east coast that will have six figures in debt for their infinitely less marketable undergrad degrees from a "prestigious" private school.
eh, you'd be surprised at the jobs those "less marketable" degrees from those schools land. I'm sure a lot of History and English majors at those schools took MBA spots at better schools and pushed our Dallas friend to Cornell.
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It would seem to smarter to spend $160k on an Ivy League MBA than $100k on a state MBA and that doesn't even begin to add in the networking possibilities of attending a school like Cornell. If the guy has worked some and now really wants be an investment banker, it seems like a pretty safe investment.
There are thousands of new grads on the east coast that will have six figures in debt for their infinitely less marketable undergrad degrees from a "prestigious" private school.
eh, you'd be surprised at the jobs those "less marketable" degrees from those schools land. I'm sure a lot of History and English majors at those schools took MBA spots at better schools and pushed our Dallas friend to Cornell.
I am sure some did but I would guess the majority did not. I had a few beers with a UT MBA grad that had some role on the admissions committee when he was there. His anecdotal story is that the UT business school would be 99% foreign born students if they went strictly by GPA and test scores.
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It would seem to smarter to spend $160k on an Ivy League MBA than $100k on a state MBA and that doesn't even begin to add in the networking possibilities of attending a school like Cornell. If the guy has worked some and now really wants be an investment banker, it seems like a pretty safe investment.
There are thousands of new grads on the east coast that will have six figures in debt for their infinitely less marketable undergrad degrees from a "prestigious" private school.
eh, you'd be surprised at the jobs those "less marketable" degrees from those schools land. I'm sure a lot of History and English majors at those schools took MBA spots at better schools and pushed our Dallas friend to Cornell.
I am sure some did but I would guess the majority did not. I had a few beers with a UT MBA grad that had some role on the admissions committee when he was there. His anecdotal story is that the UT business school would be 99% foreign born students if they went strictly by GPA and test scores.
Well, yeah, because the top 10 schools were letting the private school kids in and pushing the foreign kids down to UT.
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Part of the lure of land-grants is the increased value of an undergraduate degree that doesn't require a masters. A large portion of students I know at the University of Iowa major in Political Science, Communications, or Psychology and hope they get into grad school. Seems like a waste unless the plan is to go to law school.
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Part of the lure of land-grants is the increased value of an undergraduate degree that doesn't require a masters. A large portion of students I know at the University of Iowa major in Political Science, Communications, or Psychology and hope they get into grad school. Seems like a waste unless the plan is to go to law school.
Getting a degree in these areas if you want a well paying job without going to graduate school is a waste regardless of where you got your degree from.
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Part of the lure of land-grants is the increased value of an undergraduate degree that doesn't require a masters. A large portion of students I know at the University of Iowa major in Political Science, Communications, or Psychology and hope they get into grad school. Seems like a waste unless the plan is to go to law school.
Getting a degree in these areas if you want a well paying job without going to graduate school is a waste regardless of where you got your degree from.
Like I said earlier, at elite undergrads, those people get decent jobs as consultants or do something like the Peace Corps or Teach for America and set themselves up for elite grad schools.