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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: Stevesie60 on June 22, 2013, 11:49:12 PM
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What side do you take? Make a definitive statement, no "8 sounds about right" comments, or I'll (the mods will) delete your post within seconds.
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Under (7)
RD inspired EDIT: QB play and defense
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I will add that you should say why. Offense. Defense. Qb play. Passing game. Special teams. Etc.
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Over. 8 home games with winnable road games. Really good offense.
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Under. Until proven otherwise, our defense is a huge question mark and a legitimate concern. We could lose a lot of 56-49 games
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this thread has way too many rules
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8 even. A juggernaut offense and a defense that has more questions than the Bermuda Triangle will lead to a stellar season in titletown. :moreira:
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OVER. Elite offense and I think people are really going to step up on D. Really buzzing for this season.
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Want to say push but will say over, reason being I think we could have a real special offense
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Over. Because :bill: gonna :bill: Really excited for this year and I think as it plays out everyone will be like whoa did Bill just pull a rabbit from a hat or what
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Under.
We have to replace virtually our entire starting defense. Our starters are going to be of dubious quality and there is zero depth behind them. The inevitable injuries that take place will take their toll. I expect a defense similar to 2010.
We lost both our punter and our place-kicker, both of whom had been brillant over the past couple of years.
With the departure of Klein, we have to replace most of our offense. Defenses were forced to account for CK, which allowed a little guy like Hubert to have some success, which in turn allowed us to open up the playbook a little and also allowed us to chew up the clock and shorten the games. I assume Sams will start because he's the bigger threat to carry the ball, but I still don't expect a rushing attack anywhere near as good as what we've had the last couple of years. The offense will not be as prolific AND it will not possess the ball for the large majority of the game, exposing the weak defense even more.
Our schedule helps us. We have three pud non-con games, plus home games against teams like ISU, WVU and BU, and a road game at KU to help get us to six wins. I don't see us winning more than one roadie and I don't see us knocking off TCU or OU at home.
I think 6-6, with a chance at 7-5.
Games we should win: NDST, UMass, ULL. We need to go 3-0.
Games we can win, but it will be tough: ISU, WVU, BU, KU. We need to go 3-1
Games we will not win: TCU, OU, OSU, UT, TT. We'll likely go 0-5
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We'll beat TCU. I don't know why everyone is so enamoured with them.
Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
Also, losing to TT? Are you high?
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Over
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
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Also, losing to TT? Are you high?
I think due to our wild success over the last two years a lot of people are forgetting how hard it is for regular teams to win on the road.
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over
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
Boykin's performance was a lot like what Sams' performance would have looked like last year if Klein had been put in rehab and Sams was forced into the starting role before he was ready. TCU's defense was good and will continue to be good. If they get a decent offense to pair with it... look out. They have a lot of Texas talent on their roster and after the way last season turned out, they are going to have a huge chip on their shoulder this year to prove they belong in this conference.
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Going to be interesting to see what Tanner's post Arthur D looks like. I think we can maintain something resembling a bend but don't break and end up OVER.
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Push/Under. I think the ball bounces the other way and we lose a couple of the close ones we have pulled out the last couple of years. I think we win one we shouldn't and lose one we should win. I just hope it isn't NDSU, KU or UofL.
With a dramatic bowl win over Nebraska we go into the offseason with high expectations for SAMs junior year.
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Over. And this season is going to be one of the most spectacularly exciting football season in the history of humankind. Potentially great offense, great ST and questionable defense plus the offensive genius Snyds. Put all that together and we will have a chance to win or lose 10/12 of the games. Gonna be a fun one, guys. :billdance:
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idk you guys. new quarterback? bad defense? idk. idk.
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Also, losing to TT? Are you high?
I think due to our wild success over the last two years a lot of people are forgetting how hard it is for regular teams to win on the road.
kliff kingsbury too
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Also, losing to TT? Are you high?
I think due to our wild success over the last two years a lot of people are forgetting how hard it is for regular teams to win on the road.
kliff kingsbury too
meh, the jury is out on swagwood.
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Also, losing to TT? Are you high?
I think due to our wild success over the last two years a lot of people are forgetting how hard it is for regular teams to win on the road.
kliff kingsbury too
meh, the jury is out on swagwood.
yeah the jury hasn't even been selected. #titletown #bill #gocats
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the negativity in this thread is heartbreaking. five people think under? really?
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the negativity in this thread is heartbreaking. five people think under? really?
i mean are we more likely to win 7 or 9? i mean i don't know and i'm not even asking the question, but titletown? go cats? maybe? possibly not though? possible? i don't know. #go cats, #ftb, #emaw.
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nine is more likely than seven, because seven is an impossibility.
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nine is more likely than seven, because seven is an impossibility.
idk. six is impossible, but seven? idk, j rake. new qb doesn't scare you even a little?
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I think 8 is a little low for the Sooners. Depends on QB play I guess.
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also you guys this new qb bullshit that we are dealing with should scare you guys some. how much? i don't know so don't ask.
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How can our offense possibly be better? We were among the most efficient of the efficients until CK went sketti.
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nine is more likely than seven, because seven is an impossibility.
idk. six is impossible, but seven? idk, j rake. new qb doesn't scare you even a little?
you don't need both to be good or great. just one. i think it's a safe bet that one will play at a high level.
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nine is more likely than seven, because seven is an impossibility.
idk. six is impossible, but seven? idk, j rake. new qb doesn't scare you even a little?
you don't need both to be good or great. just one. i think it's a safe bet that one will play at a high level.
by the end of the year? yeah, probs. first half of confy though with that bad defense and a new qb that might feel like he needs to "prove" something. idk, j rake. 7 seems at least possible. possible? at least possible.
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WEEK 1 = BYE (n dakota st)
WEEK 2 = BYE (louisiana)
WEEK 3 = BYE (umass)
WEEK 4 = BYE (texas)
WEEK 5 = BYE
so, k-state needs to identify a legit qb by oct. 5.
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Over. Lots of barn burners, but we have #lifewaters.
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WEEK 1 = BYE (n dakota st)
WEEK 2 = BYE (louisiana)
WEEK 3 = BYE (umass)
WEEK 4 = BYE (texas)
WEEK 5 = BYE
so, k-state needs to identify a legit qb by oct. 5.
you and i both know that texas is going to be super salty. first confy game? first road game? new qb? coin flip at best.
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how certain are you that texas's starting qb will be better than k-state's?
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how certain are you that texas's starting qb will be better than k-state's?
The Texas QB will get to play against the K-State Defense.
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would take 6
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The Texas QB will get to play against the K-State Defense.
lol good rebuttal.
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why is six impossible? that doesn't sound like an accurate statement.
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why is six impossible? that doesn't sound like an accurate statement.
anything less than eight is impossible.
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how certain are you that texas's starting qb will be better than k-state's?
i'm not at all, but the game will be there and i know their defense is better. plus, first road game and first conference game.
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anything less than eight is impossible.
why?
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
Sorry Ricky, you must be too little to remember CK kicking UT's ass in '10. :runaway:
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
Sorry Ricky, you must be too little to remember CK kicking UT's ass in '10. :runaway:
ck was a freshman? ck started 2/3 of the season?
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i just did some of the math, and it is possible.
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
Sorry Ricky, you must be too little to remember CK kicking UT's ass in '10. :runaway:
ck was a freshman? ck started 2/3 of the season?
It was his first game. It wasn't his fault that Snyder put the "Barn Burner" back in for the rest of the season.
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
Sorry Ricky, you must be too little to remember CK kicking UT's ass in '10. :runaway:
ck was a freshman? ck started 2/3 of the season?
It was his first game. It wasn't his fault that Snyder put the "Barn Burner" back in for the rest of the season.
so no and no? ok, just checking.
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i just did some of the math, and it is possible.
Are you sure?
Three NC's=3 wins
UT=L
OSU=L
BU=W
WVU=W
ISU=W
TT=W
TCU=W
OU=L
KU=W
Simple math; Over= 9 or more wins.
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
Sorry Ricky, you must be too little to remember CK kicking UT's ass in '10. :runaway:
ck was a freshman? ck started 2/3 of the season?
It was his first game. It wasn't his fault that Snyder put the "Barn Burner" back in for the rest of the season.
so no and no? ok, just checking.
Only in a exactly as scenario.
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j rake, with all due respect, 7 wins is very possible.
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what do you think is more likely... offense disappoints or defense surprises?
prob the lynch emawb D, so i'm sticking with OVER. go cats.
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under??? after viewing the amazing math skills in the above posts. :confused:
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how certain are you that texas's starting qb will be better than k-state's?
The Texas QB will get to play against the K-State Defense.
The texas QB has mack brown as his coach. #life will have bill.
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how certain are you that texas's starting qb will be better than k-state's?
The Texas QB will get to play against the K-State Defense.
The texas QB has mack brown as his coach. #life will have bill.
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Just think what the Wizard could do with Texas's unbridled talent; instead of the Kansas farm boys, DITR and rejects that make the EMAW nation what it is.
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WEEK 1 = BYE (n dakota st)
WEEK 2 = BYE (louisiana)
WEEK 3 = BYE (umass)
WEEK 4 = BYE (texas)
WEEK 5 = BYE
so, k-state needs to identify a legit qb by oct. 5.
you and i both know that texas is going to be super salty. first confy game? first road game? new qb? coin flip at best.
Yep Rick Daris is in 5th gear on this troll. Does he have a 6th/overdrive? Stay tuned folks
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zacker sighting :sdeek:
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I'm not playing by your rules Jakesie :don'tcare:
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My highly sophisticated predicting abilities project us at 10-2. I would guess the losses being OSU and one of these Texas, TCU, or OU.
It is tough for me to see us losing more than once at home. The home field advantage will be large with new stadium renovations and titletown fever still raging. 7-1 at home. Throw in that we are obviously better than 5 of the teams and it looks pretty good.
The KU road game is another home game 1-0.
Texas has emotional baggage when it comes to us and we shall see how many passes Zimmerman can pick off during this game. I will put this game at a 50-50 type of game.
At Tech should be a win and OSU should be a loss.
2012 vs 2013
QB favors 2012 by a lot
Schedule favors 2013 by a lot
Opponents QBs are much worse than last year (Geno Smith, Landry Jones, Florence, Doege are all gone). This favors 2013 by a lot.
This is the type of reloading year you want to have. Will be lots of fun as long as you don't expect undefeated or Conference Title (if we beat OSU though we will probably be back to back champs).
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Also, losing to TT? Are you high?
I think due to our wild success over the last two years a lot of people are forgetting how hard it is for regular teams to win on the road.
kliff kingsbury too
meh, the jury is out on swagwood.
Tech is an exception. History shows a few things here:
1) It's a negative to have three head coaches in a five year span. RS-SR members of that team are now on their third head coach. It's hard to build a complete roster when your recruiting has probably been somewhat disjointed over three different staffs in one five year period.
2) First year HC's tend to have losing seasons before they have winning ones. As a counterpoint to your original comment, I think Prince's first year made KSU fans forget about how hard it is for a first year coach to win.
3) KK is the second youngest coach in all of college football, and he's only been coaching for five years. While he is incredibly charismatic, and probably a good long term hire, he's going to struggle in the short term while he gets his bearings about him as a major college head coach.
4) When given a week to prepare, regardless of location, I would take 74 year old LHC Bill Snyder over 33 year old Kliff Kingsbury, especially when it's Kliff's first year.
I think people are in for a rude awakening with Tech this year. If I had to point to two teams that KU has a chance of finishing ahead of this year, it's Iowa State and Tech, and I honestly think Tech has a 5 win ceiling this year.
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OVER
'cause cats.
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Their QBs are awful. Like horrible.
huh. i don't think either are awful or horrible. one is going to be a fifth year senior/three year starter that was qb on a team that beat wisconsin in the rose bowl. the other was a freshman that rivals had as a top 100 in the state of texas and top 25 overall at his position.
Pachall just got off the sauce, so we have no idea how he will deal with playing post addiction.
Boykin may have been highly ranked, but he was very unimpressive last year.
boykin was a freshman that was unexpectedly thrust into a starting role 1/3 of the way into the season. show me a guy that is impressive in that situation because i can't think of one. seriously though i can't think of one.
as for pachall, i would take my chances on a guy that was a stud when he was young and drunk but is now a sober senior.
neither are horrible or awful.
Sorry Ricky, you must be too little to remember CK kicking UT's ass in '10. :runaway:
ck was a freshman? ck started 2/3 of the season?
It was his first game. It wasn't his fault that Snyder put the "Barn Burner" back in for the rest of the season.
so no and no? ok, just checking.
Chris Leak.
But that's not my point. Boykin may get better, but there's talk at TCU of moving him to Running Back at this point because of their lack of depth there and better options (i.e. the kid from McPherson) sitting behind him on the depth chart. Boykin may end up being an example of a kid who was just overranked.
Pachall went through a big, life changing event in the past twelve months. That may make him better. It may make him worse. I don't know. But he spent a lot of time focusing on that and not being a better football player. That has to be factored into the equation.
On top of that, TCU had a pretty pedestrian offense before Pachall went out, so unless there was a mass infusion of talent there, or him being clean makes a huge difference, I just don't have a lot of faith in them.
Horrible was a strong word, so I shouldn't have said that. I should have said that they have huge question marks at quarterback.
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Mark it 8, dude.
There are just too many question marks on defense to think that we will be able to stop all of the good offenses in this league week in and week out. LHCBS has only lost one game when his team scores 40+ ('10 at Baylor), but I wouldn't be surprised at all if it happens a time or two this year. Guys like Bryant, Mueller, and Britz are really going to have to step up and replace a lot of production up front. Not to mention losing AB and 3/4 of our starting DBs. That's just tough to do...
The offense probably won't drop off on a PPG standpoint. Sams/Waters both have the ability to move the ball and get in the endzone, but they won't be as efficient as CK was. I expect more big play TDs and more TOs.
This team just feels destined for 8-4 and the Alamo.
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I'm confused as to why people still think tcu has to be taken serious? They are going to be in their second year in this league. Do they have talent? Yes. Do they know how to grind through a tough ass conference? Nothing they did last year showed they can. We should have won last years game 35-0 we mumped ourselves
Not impressed at all
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I'm confused as to why people still think tcu has to be taken serious? They are going to be in their second year in this league. Do they have talent? Yes. Do they know how to grind through a tough ass conference? Nothing they did last year showed they can. We should have won last years game 35-0 we mumped ourselves
Not impressed at all
Returning starters, Texas talent, and well coached. All this and they went 7-6 last year in their first year (after fighting injuries and off field problems). All but one loss was by 14 pts or less. They are a good team.
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i really appreciate 'zacker meltdowns, but not his general pessimism. his pre-season 'tude can eff off, imho.
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i really appreciate 'zacker meltdowns, but not his general pessimism. he pre-season 'tude can eff off, imho.
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TCU is fantastic on defense. They have been for years. They were an elite team when they had a future NFL starter at QB (Dalton) to go along with that defense.
It's going to take them time to build a full roster that can compete in this conference. They're recruiting extremely well, but they're very young. In 2-3 years, they'll be a monster. But I still think they're a year or two away.
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I'm confused as to why people still think tcu has to be taken serious? They are going to be in their second year in this league. Do they have talent? Yes. Do they know how to grind through a tough ass conference? Nothing they did last year showed they can. We should have won last years game 35-0 we mumped ourselves
Not impressed at all
Returning starters, Texas talent, and well coached. All this and they went 7-6 last year in their first year (after fighting injuries and off field problems). All but one loss was by 14 pts or less. They are a good team.
When you have a defense like that, you'll be in almost every single game.
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I'm confused as to why people still think tcu has to be taken serious? They are going to be in their second year in this league. Do they have talent? Yes. Do they know how to grind through a tough ass conference? Nothing they did last year showed they can. We should have won last years game 35-0 we mumped ourselves
Not impressed at all
Returning starters, Texas talent, and well coached. All this and they went 7-6 last year in their first year (after fighting injuries and off field problems). All but one loss was by 14 pts or less. They are a good team.
When you have a defense like that, you'll be in almost every single game.
And this is why people take TCU seriously.
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I expect this year's K-State team to have results a lot like last year's OSU team.
Oklahoma State went 11-1 and won the Big 12 in 2011. Then they went 7-5 in 2012. That 7-5 record included 6-1 at home, but only 1-4 on the road. And that one win was a six-point, clench-your-sphincter, hang-on-for-dear-life victory against a terrible KU team.
I think our results will be similar. I think we'll have a pretty good record at home (6-2?) and a bad road record (1-3?). Given the sheer numbers of starters we lost, I see a 6-6 or 7-5 type season.
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Three years ago K-State went 7-6, this team is better than that team. Over 8 :gocho:
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Mark it 8, dude.
I enjoyed this.
But I did NOT enjoy it when you failed to follow my rules. :dubious:
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Sorry Stevesie. I didn't want to do this, but since you forced my hand... 7-5.
Winning 9 games with this team would be more impressive than winning 10 games in '11. Then again, anyone who doubts LHCBS is an idiot...
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I guess I don't see how having a really good offense and subpar defense is going to hurt this team in the Big 12. Nearly everyone has a good offense and a average-at-best defense. And we've lived by bend-but-don't break for the last few years, so as long as we can put up more points than we give up, and we are still able to run the ball and win TOP, I don't see how losing that many defensive starters is going to be as big of a detriment as everyone says it will be.
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I guess I don't see how having a really good offense and subpar defense is going to hurt this team in the Big 12. Nearly everyone has a good offense and a average-at-best defense. And we've lived by bend-but-don't break for the last few years, so as long as we can put up more points than we give up, and we are still able to run the ball and win TOP, I don't see how losing that many defensive starters is going to be as big of a detriment as everyone says it will be.
This is exactly why 6/10 teams finished either 5-4 or 4-5 in B12 play last year. We won because of our defense last year.
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The amount of positive energy coming from J-Rake leads me to believe he is trolling. He physically can't be this optimistic. He just can't.
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Steve, if I was a betting man (which I am) I'd take the under 8 here even though I think this bet pushes on 8. I just see some regression in the luck department from the last 2 years.
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13>8
Over
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After looking at the schedule would take 8 wins. At this point it's anyone's guess. Yes we've lived by the bend don't break defense the past couple of years, we've also died by it in past years when the defense just wasn't strong enought to hold it together. Do they go back to breaking this year or will some of the players be better than expected. Last year even though no one else knew it, we knew we were going to be good. This year I could see anywhere from 6-10 wins and no be surprised.
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Games we should win: NDST, UMass, ULL. We need to go 3-0.
Games we can win, but it will be tough: ISU, WVU, BU, KU. We need to go 3-1
Games we will not win: TCU, OU, OSU, UT, TT. We'll likely go 0-5
Over
I agree with how Cyber looked at the season but there is now way we go 0-5 vs TCU, OU, OSU, UT and TT. We will at worst split the 2 of this group at home and get either UT or TT, only @OSU will be unwinnable. If we win at UT 9 is a sure thing.
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K-State's season win total opened 8.5 today offshore.
Small limits, but early money has come in under. Current:
30087 Kansas State total wins over 8½ +155
30088 Kansas State total wins under 8½ -195
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K-State's season win total opened 8.5 today offshore.
Small limits, but early money has come in under. Current:
30087 Kansas State total wins over 8½ +155
30088 Kansas State total wins under 8½ -195
Do those lines count bowl games (not that we win those)?
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well, O/U 8 1/2 is a much better question than O/U 8 obviously
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K-State's season win total opened 8.5 today offshore.
Small limits, but early money has come in under. Current:
30087 Kansas State total wins over 8½ +155
30088 Kansas State total wins under 8½ -195
Do those lines count bowl games (not that we win those)?
Nope, just regular season
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Still an easy question for #Team9Wins
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schedule break down through 7 games
fargodomeinites W
Le Laffayette W
Celtic Aggie W
CTR W
Oil Money aggie L/toss up
Cult aggie W
Coal Aggie W
How in the blue eff do we not win 3 more, tech sucks tcu is @ home and KU? :lol:
bet the farm boys
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sorry guys, i'm off the wagon. :frown:
eight wins is a best-case scenario, and seven would be an accomplishment.
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sorry guys, i'm off the wagon. :frown:
eight wins is a best-case scenario, and seven would be an accomplishment.
:frown:
what changed? was it remembering that our DEs will be much smaller than ian campbell? that thought really sunk my mood yesterday afternoon.
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sorry guys, i'm off the wagon. :frown:
eight wins is a best-case scenario, and seven would be an accomplishment.
i don't think seven would be an accomplishment. i think seven is the expectation. anything better is an accomplishment and anything worse is a failure.
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the defense is going to be atrocious on top of awful on top of terrible. i always knew that, i guess, but i suppose i was in denial over just how bad it's going to be. k-state's inability to dominate in short-yardage will lead to punts instead of first downs, and the defense is going to get exposed badly. k-state will not enjoy the same starting field position it had a year ago, and therefore will not sustain drives at anywhere close to the same level as LY. k-state will not jump out to a lead in every single game, and therefore the defense will have to do more than preserve leads. the offense will likely be less explosive; the defense will give up more bigger plays; and just, wow, this is going to be a bad team and i predict a loss to louisiana.
it won't get any better than last year, not this year, and not ever, but of course you guys already knew that.
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the defense is going to be atrocious on top of awful on top of terrible. i always knew that, i guess, but i suppose i was in denial over just how bad it's going to be. k-state's inability to dominate in short-yardage will lead to punts instead of first downs, and the defense is going to get exposed badly. k-state will not enjoy the same starting field position it had a year ago, and therefore will not sustain drives at anywhere close to the same level as LY. k-state will not jump out to a lead in every single game, and therefore the defense will have to do more than preserve leads. the offense will likely be less explosive; the defense will give up more bigger plays; and just, wow, this is going to be a bad team and i predict a loss to louisiana.
it won't get any better than last year, not this year, and not ever, but of course you guys already knew that.
So what did you see that made you :barf: ??
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lol i <3 j rake i really do but 9 wins minimum is happening, dont ask me why just enjoy the ride
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I'm enjoying it!
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I think the offensive may very well be more explosive, but much less consistent
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I think the offensive may very well be more explosive, but much less consistent
yeah. you don't lose a two year starter at qb and then get more explosive. at least history hasn't shown that under snyder. we'll see though i guess. i do think will be pretty decent and there will be a lot of fun games to watch.
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I think the season is going to have a lot of "Holy crap where did that guy come from,I think he's better than the guy he replaced" moments (not at middle linebacker)Players will step up,roughs will shine :bill: will :bill: we'll all get excited,the media will hate on us,we'll all get butthurt.It's gonna be a great year and I can hardly rough ridin' wait. o yeah 8 plus wins easy
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What if the Plumber and #Life are both in the backfield and run into each other trying to get out of the way as LTBL does a end around with road runner like action. Zooms by so fast that Jake and Danny are so confused that they don't know what hit them and it causes them to spin around and slam into the turf. Both have season ending injuries. The Wizard gets on the horn and calls Sam Johnson to come back from the Dentistry school to help the QB less Katz. The season is great for the tucks, mainly because every one on the team gets free dentist work and they all have Orbit like smiles. :D
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Hey guys remember when Collin Klein went on the road and beat a decent Miami team? Ya he was pretty new then.
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i'm just ready for the season guys
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Don't do this to me J-Rake. YOU PROMISED.
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I think we will win 10 games, but I wouldn't put it past the legend to win more.
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j rake, with all due respect, 7 wins is very possible.
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Under.
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Mods, change thread title to O/U 5 wins tia
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We can beat Iowa State, KU, and West Virginia. That's 5. We'll steal one from OU or TCU. I'm saying 6.
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Mods, change thread title to O/U 5 wins tia
PUSH
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4 seems a lot more likely than 6.
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Under. Until proven otherwise, our defense is a huge question mark and a legitimate concern. We could lose a lot of 56-49 games
Well, at least I picked the under right and correctly said the defense would suck. Didn't know the offense would suck too. I was convinced it would be Life time by now
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Well, at least I picked the under right and correctly said the defense would suck. Didn't know the offense would suck too. I was convinced it would be Life time by now
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We can beat Iowa State, KU, and West Virginia. That's 5. We'll steal one from OU or TCU. I'm saying 6.
I'd be pretty surprised if we don't beat TCU at home. I'm not ruling out the Tech game either. Both of those teams looked very beatable when they played each other a couple of weeks ago...
A little curious how many people on this board honestly thought we'd win in Austin before the season started. Sure, we've owned the CTR, but winning on Saturday was hardly a given.
Dunn/Roberson and Waters/Life comparisons aside, this season feels a lot more like 01 than 04. That team was 2-4 in late October before the scheduled softened up and the offense gained some continuity at QB. I can see that same type of scenario happening with this team once LHCBS picks a QB and sticks with him.
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We can beat Iowa State, KU, and West Virginia. That's 5. We'll steal one from OU or TCU. I'm saying 6.
I'd be pretty surprised if we don't beat TCU at home. I'm not ruling out the Tech game either. Both of those teams looked very beatable when they played each other a couple of weeks ago...
A little curious how many people on this board honestly thought we'd win in Austin before the season started. Sure, we've owned the CTR, but winning on Saturday was hardly a given.
Dunn/Roberson and Waters/Life comparisons aside, this season feels a lot more like 01 than 04. That team was 2-4 in late October before the scheduled softened up and the offense gained some continuity at QB. I can see that same type of scenario happening with this team once LHCBS picks a QB and sticks with him.
Winning in UT was never a given, but after the debacles against BYU and Ole Miss, optimism from K-State fans was very understandable.
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UT has fielded teams that under delivered in the past years. I absolutely expect us to win in Austin or against UT anywhere until they start playing up to their potential, which hasn't happened in years.
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We can beat Iowa State, KU, and West Virginia. That's 5. We'll steal one from OU or TCU. I'm saying 6.
Unless Snyder gets a win against a top team, a loss to one of those three should mean retirement. Iowa State is so young that I barely know the names on the roster.
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We can beat Iowa State, KU, and West Virginia. That's 5. We'll steal one from OU or TCU. I'm saying 6.
Unless Snyder gets a win against a top team, a loss to one of those three should mean retirement. Iowa State is so young that I barely know the names on the roster.
your coach also sucks possibly worse than ours (depending on the rate of fall)
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Winning in UT was never a given, but after the debacles against BYU and Ole Miss, optimism from K-State fans was very understandable.
Agreed that there was a sense of optimism going into that game, but considering the amount of scrutiny and pressure on UT after their last two games it wasn't that surprising to see them come out as motivated as they did.
When have you ever seen Mack jump around high-fiving and fist pumping like that? It sucks that it was at our expense, but UT went all in for that game. I hate using cliches, but they had the type of cornered-animal mentality that we need to have going forward.
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TX was also playing without about half of their starters by the time the second half rolled around. sugar coating this loss is sad.
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TX was also playing without about half of their starters by the time the second half rolled around. sugar coating this loss is sad.
Yeah. It's not like UT was hitting on all cylinders. They did just enough to take advantage of our myriad mistakes and predictable play calls.
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TX was also playing without about half of their starters by the time the second half rolled around. sugar coating this loss is sad.
Yeah. It's not like UT was hitting on all cylinders. They did just enough to take advantage of our myriad mistakes and predictable play calls.
stars tho?
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TX was also playing without about half of their starters by the time the second half rolled around. sugar coating this loss is sad.
This. I mean rough ridin' Ron Prince swept Texas in his time here. Beating UT should be as expected as beating KU.
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TX was also playing without about half of their starters by the time the second half rolled around. sugar coating this loss is sad.
Yeah. It's not like UT was hitting on all cylinders. They did just enough to take advantage of our myriad mistakes and predictable play calls.
stars tho?
Gray running it down our five hearts' throats probably wasn't avoidable, but UT was still ultimately beatable if we had a game plan that approached something even remotely competent. Despite UT knowing exactly what we were going to run and the "check with me" offense slowly choking away our comeback chances like an anaconda we were a safety and 2 minute drill away from tying the game up.
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Roberts' pass defense was a much bigger issue than our inability to stop Gray, imo. I refuse to believe that there is nobody on the roster who could do a better job.
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BYU is 1-2 and whipped the crap out of Texas. They ran 72 times for 550 yards. ONLY 4.8 YARDS PER PASS ATTEMPT, THO!
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If we just start Sams and let him try one "complex" pass play on the first possesion that team lays the eff down like they have dozens of times under Mack.
One of my 5 favorite Daxism's is the one about Snyder/Dimel/Miller outthinking themselves and they did it on Saturday.
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hey remember that game where we just ran the ball every single time against texas, didn't turn it over and didn't throw a pass until like the fourth quarter and still beat them by thirty? do you guys? cause man :love:
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TX was also playing without about half of their starters by the time the second half rolled around. sugar coating this loss is sad.
Yeah. It's not like UT was hitting on all cylinders. They did just enough to take advantage of our myriad mistakes and predictable play calls.
stars tho?
Gray running it down our five hearts' throats probably wasn't avoidable, but UT was still ultimately beatable if we had a game plan that approached something even remotely competent. Despite UT knowing exactly what we were going to run and the "check with me" offense slowly choking away our comeback chances like an anaconda we were a safety and 2 minute drill away from tying the game up.
Yeah, I agree that this loss shouldn't be sugar coated. UT was very beatable and will be a middle of the pack Big 12 team.
Gray is really good, likely a pro.
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If we just start Sams and let him try one "complex" pass play on the first possesion that team lays the eff down like they have dozens of times under Mack.
One of my 5 favorite Daxism's is the one about Snyder/Dimel/Miller outthinking themselves and they did it on Saturday.
I think they didn't do enough thinking. They just sent Sams out and ran the same 2 or 3 plays they always run. Mack coached circles around Bill.
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Roberts' pass defense was a much bigger issue than our inability to stop Gray, imo. I refuse to believe that there is nobody on the roster who could do a better job.
Agreed. The inability of any other defensive back to surpass Roberts is more mind boggling than Sams/Waters IMO.
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hey remember that game where we just ran the ball every single time against texas, didn't turn it over and didn't throw a pass until like the fourth quarter and still beat them by thirty? do you guys? cause man :love:
YES, I REMEMBER THAT
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so like those stories about sean calling all the shots this year have to be right and bill is like a love and logic father that lets the four year old super stupid child make mistakes on their own and then hopes they learn from them and not the father that is like "hey you moron don't stick that wet thing in the socket or you'll get hurt really bad and then i'll hurt you even more now knock it out you idiot and oh yeah play sams instead of waters and let him occasionally throw a pass" kind of father.
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If we just start Sams and let him try one "complex" pass play on the first possesion that team lays the eff down like they have dozens of times under Mack.
One of my 5 favorite Daxism's is the one about Snyder/Dimel/Miller outthinking themselves and they did it on Saturday.
I think they didn't do enough thinking. They just sent Sams out and ran the same 2 or 3 plays they always run. Mack coached circles around Bill.
But to me that is still over coaching. They thought they had to change what we do, and clearly they put in a balanced gameplan with Waters to beat them. Frankly, the passing game they put together was solid, but the insistence on running Waters and not being more diverse with the gameplan they had for Sams is another form of overthinking.
They mentioned on the telecast the defensive staff went and got film from Greg Robinson's teams at Syracuse and Michigan. To me that is a colossal waste of time. Robinson simply hasn't been in place long enough to make anything but minor adjustments from what Diaz was doing. It makes much more sense to look at what BYU and Ole Miss had success with, compare it with what we already have in, and then build a gameplan around that with Sams. Then use Waters as the change of pace guy with passing packages.
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Roberts' pass defense was a much bigger issue than our inability to stop Gray, imo. I refuse to believe that there is nobody on the roster who could do a better job.
Agreed. The inability of any other defensive back to surpass Roberts is more mind boggling than Sams/Waters IMO.
Do I entertain thoughts that Bill has been scheming for this bye week all season and this is where the depth chart gets shaken up? Do I help get myself to sleep with thoughts that young guys with more physical gifts will be replacing "good soldiers" that have been here longer and Snyder knew UT is not going to be competeing for the conference title so dropping this one will have little to do with tie breakers and such? Yes I do.
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so like those stories about sean calling all the shots this year have to be right and bill is like a love and logic father that lets the four year old super stupid child make mistakes on their own and then hopes they learn from them and not the father that is like "hey you moron don't stick that wet thing in the socket or you'll get hurt really bad and then i'll hurt you even more now knock it out you idiot and oh yeah play sams instead of waters and let him occasionally throw a pass" kind of father.
That fake punt. Everyone in the damn stadium knew it was coming :angry:. EXCEPT SEAN A-rough ridin'-APPARENTLY.
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Roberts' pass defense was a much bigger issue than our inability to stop Gray, imo. I refuse to believe that there is nobody on the roster who could do a better job.
Agreed. The inability of any other defensive back to surpass Roberts is more mind boggling than Sams/Waters IMO.
Yeah. Waters gets a lot of grief and deserves it, but I don't think Roberts could start at many division 2 programs. That's division 2 as in Pitt State and Washburn, not NDSU, fwiw.
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so like those stories about sean calling all the shots this year have to be right and bill is like a love and logic father that lets the four year old super stupid child make mistakes on their own and then hopes they learn from them and not the father that is like "hey you moron don't stick that wet thing in the socket or you'll get hurt really bad and then i'll hurt you even more now knock it out you idiot and oh yeah play sams instead of waters and let him occasionally throw a pass" kind of father.
That fake fg. Everyone in the damn stadium knew it was coming :angry:
I assume you mean the the fake punt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1RbuHmmc-CE#t=5195).
In fact, maybe the worst coaching decision of the night. First, UT shifts from their normal punt formation. Then they walk one of the upbacks up to the line of scrimmage. Unbelievable that after the initial shift that we didn't call timeout and especially once the upback walked up to the line of scrimmage.
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so like those stories about sean calling all the shots this year have to be right and bill is like a love and logic father that lets the four year old super stupid child make mistakes on their own and then hopes they learn from them and not the father that is like "hey you moron don't stick that wet thing in the socket or you'll get hurt really bad and then i'll hurt you even more now knock it out you idiot and oh yeah play sams instead of waters and let him occasionally throw a pass" kind of father.
That fake fg. Everyone in the damn stadium knew it was coming :angry:
I assume you mean the the fake punt (http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=1RbuHmmc-CE#t=5195).
In fact, maybe the worst coaching decision of the night. First, UT shifts from their normal punt formation. Then they walk one of the upbacks up to the line of scrimmage. Unbelievable that after the initial shift that we didn't call timeout and especially once the upback walked up to the line of scrimmage.
You caught me before the edit.
Completely agree tho. When we saw the upback move the entire emaw section started screaming "FAKE" at once :facepalm:
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hey remember that game where we just ran the ball every single time against texas that 5-7 team, didn't turn it over and didn't throw a pass until like the fourth quarter and still beat them by thirty? do you guys? cause man :love:
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Texas could still easily go 5-7 this year.
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Texas could still easily go 5-7 this year.
Yeah. They are 2-2 and are going to have to beat somebody other than WVU, ISU, and KU if they want to go bowling, just like us.