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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: steve dave on March 26, 2010, 01:26:42 AM
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:ohno:
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don't be.
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:ohno:
I'm not. JYC + 13.
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Only concerned with fatigue.
I like the match-up.
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We are a whole team of Neos' without limitations...JFC, I'm Fracked UP! TIA.
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Only concerned with fatigue.
I like the match-up.
Dude, they're like 18-23 years old with an entire day to rest. They're fine.
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YOU PEOPLE TOLD ME NOT TO BE SCARED ABOUT THIS ONE AND IT WAS AS CLOSE AS THEY COME! :surprised:
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Only concerned with fatigue.
I like the match-up.
This. If we play them at full strength, we win big. Playing them sore and worn out without a full practice to prepare...who knows. Denis played like 48 minutes tonight! Guess we'll see what happens.
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Cuse had like 18 turnovers which led to 23 points...think about that stat.
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YOU PEOPLE TOLD ME NOT TO BE SCARED ABOUT THIS ONE AND IT WAS AS CLOSE AS THEY COME! :surprised:
We didn't rebound, nor did we get to the FT line until the 2nd half/OTs. Plus, Xavier was unconscious shooting the ball for a while. Ridiculous.
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we will get off to a great start like tonight but the difference is whether we can put our foot on their throat instead of letting them get back15 points
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Also, think about this.
We stopped one scrappy mid-major team from playing the next round within miles of their campus. Why can't we do it again?
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The only thing that makes me feel good is that "cindarellas" usually don't get to the final four. Does Butler qualify?
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_fan is such a warm blanket for my insecurities/t-shirt needs. :cheers:
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The only thing that makes me feel good is that "cindarellas" usually don't get to the final four. Does Butler qualify?
First ever EE?
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I don't understand people going with the fatigue-from-2OT angle. Don't people realize that these kids practice really, really hard pretty much every day...for hours and hours? :facepalm:
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I don't understand people going with the fatigue-from-2OT angle. Don't people realize that these kids practice really, really hard pretty much every day...for hours and hours? :facepalm:
Mental Fatigue probably plays a part as well. Doesn't matter though, Frank will have them ready to play.
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:ohno:
we're the frontrunner now dumbfuck
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we only played 10min longer than them
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they play 6 players.
worried the utah crowd will remember the yelling i gave them after the game, and go 100% pro butler. :ohno:
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butler isn't better than byu.
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I don't understand people going with the fatigue-from-2OT angle. Don't people realize that these kids practice really, really hard pretty much every day...for hours and hours? :facepalm:
Probably putting too much into it and our depth will help us a ton here. Or maybe it just seemed like the game was about 4 hour to me.
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http://kenpom.com/team.php?team=Kansas%20St.
Real scared
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Only concerned with fatigue.
I like the match-up.
emotional letdown...... :runaway: :runaway: (ftp://:runaway: :runaway:)
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Personally I think we had our "letdown" about 12 minutes into the game last night.
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WE WILL rough ridin' WORK BUTLER! Last night was amazing. I've never in my life seen a team that had the game won in regulation, OT, and get screwed like we did still get the win in 2OT. That is all mental toughness and Frank's will on this team. Butler hasn't seen anything like what we will bring at them. eff THEM, BRING IT BITCHES! :kstatriot:
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any one else worried that out scouting effort was mostly on cuse until about midnight and that we are scrambling to catch up with butler info now? no way frank has slept yet
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Need a _FAN / Chingon breakdown on Butler to ease the :ohno:
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Need a _FAN / Chingon breakdown on Butler to ease the :ohno:
Like Nebraska, but better :dunno:
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Personally I think we had our "letdown" about 12 minutes into the game last night.
THIS. There won't be a letdown saturday.
If we're not a team of rough ridin' destiny, I don't know who is. (may need new thread about this?):
The 1 team that we can't beat gets upset by some farmer hicks.
Syracuse gets knocked out.
Michigan State's best player is out.
West Virginia is short a stud.
Baylor is still in it.
I mean, come on. GMAFB, we're supposed to win this thing. Kentucky? Not scared. Duke? LOL @ White people.
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Personally I think we had our "letdown" about 12 minutes into the game last night.
THIS. There won't be a letdown saturday.
If we're not a team of fracking destiny, I don't know who is. (may need new thread about this?):
The 1 team that we can't beat gets upset by some farmer hicks.
Syracuse gets knocked out.
Michigan State's best player is out.
West Virginia is short a stud.
Baylor is still in it.
I mean, come on. GMAFB, we're supposed to win this thing. Kentucky? Not scared. Duke? LOL @ White people.
^^^^^This is making a lot of sense to me right now.
If there was ever a sobering/focus inducing moment in the tourney, it was last night. Our kids had to have realized how close they were to ending their season. No way we don't come out intense tomorrow.
All I ask is that Butler doesn't shoot the lights out like Holloway and Crawford. Crawford was unfreaking real.
Hitting a 3 from the cancer ribbon :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :chainsaw: :curse: :curse: :curse:
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I'm a wreck already.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
:gocho:
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probably more scared of duke and their guard length than anyone else.
Kentucky can shoot themselves out of games. We'd just have to get hot.
Kenpom and Sagarin say we should beat butler. I will believe.
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Also, I'm in agreement with Saul and Rusty, this season has been a rousing success and if Asprilla is a stud and Spradling is a 3 point machine then we are primed to make another run next year.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
That's rough ridin' loser mentality. You either get scared or you don't want it bad enough.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
That's fracking loser mentality. You either get scared or you don't want it bad enough.
I thought anything after the sweet 16 was icing on the cake and guess what we still WON. Whatcha think about that? :gocho:
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
That's fracking loser mentality. You either get scared or you don't want it bad enough.
I thought anything after the sweet 16 was icing on the cake and guess what we still WON. Whatcha think about that? :gocho:
I think it doesn't matter to you that we won (according to your talking point).
ps. It mattered to me
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
That's fracking loser mentality. You either get scared or you don't want it bad enough.
I thought anything after the sweet 16 was icing on the cake and guess what we still WON. Whatcha think about that? :gocho:
This, especially after KU lost, I thought I would be satisfied. Nothing short of the 'ship will satisfy me now. We were terrible at this sport for so long!!!!
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any one else worried that out scouting effort was mostly on cuse until about midnight and that we are scrambling to catch up with butler info now? no way frank has slept yet
Yeah, but he's probably not slept for the last few weeks
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I'm kind of worried about Frank not getting the proper amount of sleep to be sharp for the game. I mean when I lack a couple of hours I'm just not myself the next day! :dunno:
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I don't understand people going with the fatigue-from-2OT angle. Don't people realize that these kids practice really, really hard pretty much every day...for hours and hours? :facepalm:
Ladies and Gentlemen, you are about to enter......THE GREENAWALT ZONE
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Need a _FAN / Chingon breakdown on Butler to ease the :ohno:
Frontcourt: Haywood (6-8 200), Howard (6-8 230) and Jukes (6-8 215) vs Kelly (6-8 250), Lou (6-10 265), Samuels (6-7 215) and Wally (6-9 248). Haywood (15.3 PPG, 8.2 RPB) and Howard (11.9 PPG, 5.3 RPG) are 2 of their best 3 players. Jukes (2.7 PPG, 1.1 RPG) plays abour 10 MPG for a bit of depth. Howard is their best offensive rebounder at 9.4% and Haywood is decent at 8.2%, but we have 3 at 11%+ (Kelly, Sutton, Judge). Of course in typical "lengthen the game style", they don't really try to Oboard most of the time. Howard is also great at drawing fouls with a FTR at 84. While they are good players, they have very little frontcourt depth and if we can successfully pound the ball they will get into foul trouble (Howard fouls about the same rate as Samuels, Jukes about the same rate as Wally). This will be a huge key for this game b/c I'm sure Butler will try to SLTH this thing up and make it a plodding mess. Haywood will step out and shoot 3s; 142 attempts but only 28% and Jukes will as well, only 28 attempts but 39%.
Backcourt: Mack (6-3 214), Veasley (6-3 204), Nored (6-0 178), Hahn (6-1 170), and Vanzant (6-1 171) vs Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Irving, and McGruder. Mack is probably their 2nd best player, but should be a good match-up for Sutton. Veasley and Nored on Clemente and Pullen. Mack is their biggest 3 pt threat at 40% on 160 attempts, Veasley is solid at 36% on 118 attempts and Hahn looks to be their Redford at 44% on 107 attempts. Norwood and Mack are their best distributors, both with over 3 APG. Nored is the best G at drawing fouls with a nice FTR of 75.
Defensively their profile is almost exactly the same as BYU's. Solid pressure, solid eFG%, don't give up ORBs, but average at giving up fouls. They are better at defending the 3 compared to BYU, but worse at blocking shots. Biggest difference from BYU is probably their pace, around 65 possessions per game. Like I said before, they want to play a type of game very similar to what Doc plays, they just have better/more experienced players and the luxury of building confidence beating terrible competition in the Horizon League. Of course they've certainly proven they can beat teams of our caliber; Syracuse, but also Xavier (2 games after we beat them and with some controversy) and Ohio State (but when Ohio State was without Turner). The later 2 games were both at Butler.
Offensively, they are don't rely too much on the 3, and really aren't a great 3 pt shooting team. Part of that is probably b/c Haywood shoots so many and isn't very good at it. They seem to be more of an attack the rim/paint type of team, and are very good at getting to the FT line. They are only decent at not turning the ball over, and I think our pressure can bother them.
Its pretty obvious if we come out like Syracuse and don't attack these guys, they can beat us. They'll be an extremetly confident team riding their 23 game win streak. But like BYU, I think we've got a huge advantage in the paint, even though their bigs are probably one of the strengths of their team. Defensively, unlike Syracuse, I think we could cause them a lot or problems with our pressure, and hopefully generate some offense (and a higher pace) and get them out of their comfort zone. I'd like to think we have a chance to excert our will on Butler similar to what Kentucky did against Cornell. Butler had a fantastic game against Syracuse, but I think we have much better guard play than the Orange and everywhere I look on the floor we cause Butler all kinds of problems. I expect this to be a slightly lower scoring version of the BYU game. We should pull ahead sometime in the 1st half, then hold them off. I don't know that we'll run away from them, but I don't expect an ending like Xavier; this team simply doesn't have a Holloway/Crawford due that can match our playmaking ability.
Cats 78-Dogs 66.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
So lets go ahead, put that icing on, and eat that sh1t!
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
^^^
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
^^^
Do you guys really believe that? A Final Four is so much better than an Elite Eight, and at this point, K-State should be favored to make it to the national title game.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
That's fracking loser mentality. You either get scared or you don't want it bad enough.
Agreed. All that the 'Cats need to think about is how to beat Butler, and not be dragged into their mind-numbing, slow game that kills transition baskets and speed.
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If I was a basketball player, I'd want to be named Jukes :love:
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
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Do you guys really believe that? A Final Four is so much better than an Elite Eight, and at this point, K-State should be favored to make it to the national title game.
We were psyched about winning a road game against North Dakota State just 4-ish years ago. Think about that for a moment.
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We are in the E8. Why be nervous? It's all icing on the cake from here.
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Do you guys really believe that? A Final Four is so much better than an Elite Eight, and at this point, K-State should be favored to make it to the national title game.
We were psyched about winning a road game against North Dakota State just 4-ish years ago. Think about that for a moment.
so what. i was psyched about winning against Xavier last night. i was psyched when we beat what we thought was a good UT team. we're in a very rare position for any team, let alone K-State and these opportunities are very few and far between. look at Kansas, the overwhelming favorite going into last weekend, and what happened to them. we will never have that much talent on our team. we need to carpe diem this bitch and want more, play to our seed and hit the Final Four. i wonder if some of you guys realize what is sitting in our lap right now (think very hot/horny virgin girl with nice breasteses and great breath).
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We already played to our seed d00d.
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We already played to our seed d00d.
My god, go back to Prague with Hitler you assfuck
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We already played to our seed d00d.
My god, go back to Prague with Hitler you assfrack
Would :love: to!
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We already played to our seed d00d.
typical K-State loser mentality
give me a shout when you figure out what playing to your seed means, pragueface
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We already played to our seed d00d.
My god, go back to Prague with Hitler you assfrack
Would :love: to!
didn't mean that. I don't take it back but I didn't mean it. You can stay. But you better get scared.
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We already played to our seed d00d.
My god, go back to Prague with Hitler you assfrack
Would :love: to!
didn't mean that. I don't take it back but I didn't mean it. You can stay. But you better get scared.
Don't worry, I talk a big game, but by tip tomorrow I'll be all :ohno: just like I was last night. Cussed a couple times in front of the dad-in-law :ohno:
piss: love you dobe! (you're still wrong about what "playing to seed" means though.)
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whatever. we're the 2 seed, they're not the 2 seed or the 1 seed. we play to our seed and win (like we are expected to) and we've played to our seed, IMO.
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whatever. we're the 2 seed, they're not the 2 seed or the 1 seed. we play to our seed and win (like we are expected to) and we've played to our seed, IMO.
:cheers:
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:bball: :drink:
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Need a _FAN / Chingon breakdown on Butler to ease the :ohno:
Frontcourt: Haywood (6-8 200), Howard (6-8 230) and Jukes (6-8 215) vs Kelly (6-8 250), Lou (6-10 265), Samuels (6-7 215) and Wally (6-9 248). Haywood (15.3 PPG, 8.2 RPB) and Howard (11.9 PPG, 5.3 RPG) are 2 of their best 3 players. Jukes (2.7 PPG, 1.1 RPG) plays abour 10 MPG for a bit of depth. Howard is their best offensive rebounder at 9.4% and Haywood is decent at 8.2%, but we have 3 at 11%+ (Kelly, Sutton, Judge). Of course in typical "lengthen the game style", they don't really try to Oboard most of the time. Howard is also great at drawing fouls with a FTR at 84. While they are good players, they have very little frontcourt depth and if we can successfully pound the ball they will get into foul trouble (Howard fouls about the same rate as Samuels, Jukes about the same rate as Wally). This will be a huge key for this game b/c I'm sure Butler will try to SLTH this thing up and make it a plodding mess. Haywood will step out and shoot 3s; 142 attempts but only 28% and Jukes will as well, only 28 attempts but 39%.
Backcourt: Mack (6-3 214), Veasley (6-3 204), Nored (6-0 178), Hahn (6-1 170), and Vanzant (6-1 171) vs Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Irving, and McGruder. Mack is probably their 2nd best player, but should be a good match-up for Sutton. Veasley and Nored on Clemente and Pullen. Mack is their biggest 3 pt threat at 40% on 160 attempts, Veasley is solid at 36% on 118 attempts and Hahn looks to be their Redford at 44% on 107 attempts. Norwood and Mack are their best distributors, both with over 3 APG. Nored is the best G at drawing fouls with a nice FTR of 75.
Defensively their profile is almost exactly the same as BYU's. Solid pressure, solid eFG%, don't give up ORBs, but average at giving up fouls. They are better at defending the 3 compared to BYU, but worse at blocking shots. Biggest difference from BYU is probably their pace, around 65 possessions per game. Like I said before, they want to play a type of game very similar to what Doc plays, they just have better/more experienced players and the luxury of building confidence beating terrible competition in the Horizon League. Of course they've certainly proven they can beat teams of our caliber; Syracuse, but also Xavier (2 games after we beat them and with some controversy) and Ohio State (but when Ohio State was without Turner). The later 2 games were both at Butler.
Offensively, they are don't rely too much on the 3, and really aren't a great 3 pt shooting team. Part of that is probably b/c Haywood shoots so many and isn't very good at it. They seem to be more of an attack the rim/paint type of team, and are very good at getting to the FT line. They are only decent at not turning the ball over, and I think our pressure can bother them.
Its pretty obvious if we come out like Syracuse and don't attack these guys, they can beat us. They'll be an extremetly confident team riding their 23 game win streak. But like BYU, I think we've got a huge advantage in the paint, even though their bigs are probably one of the strengths of their team. Defensively, unlike Syracuse, I think we could cause them a lot or problems with our pressure, and hopefully generate some offense (and a higher pace) and get them out of their comfort zone. I'd like to think we have a chance to excert our will on Butler similar to what Kentucky did against Cornell. Butler had a fantastic game against Syracuse, but I think we have much better guard play than the Orange and everywhere I look on the floor we cause Butler all kinds of problems. I expect this to be a slightly lower scoring version of the BYU game. We should pull ahead sometime in the 1st half, then hold them off. I don't know that we'll run away from them, but I don't expect an ending like Xavier; this team simply doesn't have a Holloway/Crawford due that can match our playmaking ability.
Cats 78-Dogs 66.
btw, thanks for doing these _FAN
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Need a _FAN / Chingon breakdown on Butler to ease the :ohno:
Frontcourt: Haywood (6-8 200), Howard (6-8 230) and Jukes (6-8 215) vs Kelly (6-8 250), Lou (6-10 265), Samuels (6-7 215) and Wally (6-9 248). Haywood (15.3 PPG, 8.2 RPB) and Howard (11.9 PPG, 5.3 RPG) are 2 of their best 3 players. Jukes (2.7 PPG, 1.1 RPG) plays abour 10 MPG for a bit of depth. Howard is their best offensive rebounder at 9.4% and Haywood is decent at 8.2%, but we have 3 at 11%+ (Kelly, Sutton, Judge). Of course in typical "lengthen the game style", they don't really try to Oboard most of the time. Howard is also great at drawing fouls with a FTR at 84. While they are good players, they have very little frontcourt depth and if we can successfully pound the ball they will get into foul trouble (Howard fouls about the same rate as Samuels, Jukes about the same rate as Wally). This will be a huge key for this game b/c I'm sure Butler will try to SLTH this thing up and make it a plodding mess. Haywood will step out and shoot 3s; 142 attempts but only 28% and Jukes will as well, only 28 attempts but 39%.
Backcourt: Mack (6-3 214), Veasley (6-3 204), Nored (6-0 178), Hahn (6-1 170), and Vanzant (6-1 171) vs Pullen, Clemente, Sutton, Irving, and McGruder. Mack is probably their 2nd best player, but should be a good match-up for Sutton. Veasley and Nored on Clemente and Pullen. Mack is their biggest 3 pt threat at 40% on 160 attempts, Veasley is solid at 36% on 118 attempts and Hahn looks to be their Redford at 44% on 107 attempts. Norwood and Mack are their best distributors, both with over 3 APG. Nored is the best G at drawing fouls with a nice FTR of 75.
Defensively their profile is almost exactly the same as BYU's. Solid pressure, solid eFG%, don't give up ORBs, but average at giving up fouls. They are better at defending the 3 compared to BYU, but worse at blocking shots. Biggest difference from BYU is probably their pace, around 65 possessions per game. Like I said before, they want to play a type of game very similar to what Doc plays, they just have better/more experienced players and the luxury of building confidence beating terrible competition in the Horizon League. Of course they've certainly proven they can beat teams of our caliber; Syracuse, but also Xavier (2 games after we beat them and with some controversy) and Ohio State (but when Ohio State was without Turner). The later 2 games were both at Butler.
Offensively, they are don't rely too much on the 3, and really aren't a great 3 pt shooting team. Part of that is probably b/c Haywood shoots so many and isn't very good at it. They seem to be more of an attack the rim/paint type of team, and are very good at getting to the FT line. They are only decent at not turning the ball over, and I think our pressure can bother them.
Its pretty obvious if we come out like Syracuse and don't attack these guys, they can beat us. They'll be an extremetly confident team riding their 23 game win streak. But like BYU, I think we've got a huge advantage in the paint, even though their bigs are probably one of the strengths of their team. Defensively, unlike Syracuse, I think we could cause them a lot or problems with our pressure, and hopefully generate some offense (and a higher pace) and get them out of their comfort zone. I'd like to think we have a chance to excert our will on Butler similar to what Kentucky did against Cornell. Butler had a fantastic game against Syracuse, but I think we have much better guard play than the Orange and everywhere I look on the floor we cause Butler all kinds of problems. I expect this to be a slightly lower scoring version of the BYU game. We should pull ahead sometime in the 1st half, then hold them off. I don't know that we'll run away from them, but I don't expect an ending like Xavier; this team simply doesn't have a Holloway/Crawford due that can match our playmaking ability.
Cats 78-Dogs 66.
Srsly. These are pretty great.
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You know what? Butler can lick my rough ridin' intestines.
We are going to stomp our huge Nikes all over their off-brand converse wearing mid-major cankles.
Warm up your frozen EMAW and fist up your pump you cackeldy-dos!
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YOU PEOPLE TOLD ME NOT TO BE SCARED ABOUT THIS ONE AND IT WAS AS CLOSE AS THEY COME! :surprised:
I told you to be scared :gocho: , and count me in for being scared again on Saturday :ohno:
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You know what? Butler can lick my fracking intestines.
We are going to stomp our huge Nikes all over their off-brand converse wearing mid-major cankles.
Warm up your frozen EMAW and fist up your pump you cackeldy-dos!
This. Bet they use Baden basketballs.
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I'm not nervous about tomorrow at all.
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I'm not nervous about tomorrow at all.
This isn't like you. Is it because you think we'll win or that you've already accepted defeat?
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I bet they dunk with volleyballs
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I'm not nervous about tomorrow at all.
This isn't like you. Is it because you think we'll win or that you've already accepted defeat?
wasn't nervous about Xavier either fwiw.
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I'm not nervous about tomorrow at all.
This isn't like you. Is it because you think we'll win or that you've already accepted defeat?
wasn't nervous about Xavier either fwiw.
You mean that one team we beat?
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I bet they dunk with volleyballs
lol
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Unless 'te and company start picking it up in 'cruiting, this might be our most talented team we get. Better take this thing all the way why we are halfway there. :dunno:
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You know what? Butler can lick my fracking intestines.
We are going to stomp our huge Nikes all over their off-brand converse wearing mid-major cankles.
Warm up your frozen EMAW and fist up your pump you cackeldy-dos!
mods, please move to "Official Butler Hate Thread"
tia.
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Bet they use Baden basketballs.
:lol: