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General Discussion => Essentially Flyertalk => Topic started by: Kat Kid on June 05, 2013, 09:05:32 AM
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Difficult? Easy? I probably need to rent a ladder, I have purchased the paint and why the hell not? Any pro tips?
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hire some guys to do it
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Difficult? Easy? I probably need to rent a ladder, I have purchased the paint and why the hell not? Any pro tips?
you've got to power wash it first. i think it'd be a pain in the ass to do yourself, especially in a town full of cheap labor
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K.
How much should I pay?
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K.
How much should I pay?
Whatever the local gym teacher is charging between his summer driver's ed gigs.
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KK,
I'm currently painting my house (about 75% finished). My pops does it for a living and I used to help in all through Jr. and Sr. High. What do you need to know? It's a lot of work doing it yourself but saves you a lot of money as well. I'm saving $5k by doing it myself.
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K.
How much should I pay?
Whatever the local gym teacher is charging between his summer driver's ed gigs.
Back to my original point, maybe I should just do this myself.
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KK,
I'm currently painting my house (about 75% finished). My pops does it for a living and I used to help in all through Jr. and Sr. High. What do you need to know? It's a lot of work doing it yourself but saves you a lot of money as well. I'm saving $5k by doing it myself.
Any good online resource? Should I just walk in to Home Depot like in the commercials?
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A very large contingent of Latino gentlemen finished painting Casa De Pete this very week!
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A lot of people are being unhelpful is this thread.
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K.
How much should I pay?
A larger house will cost you $5K - $7K, not including wood rot repair. I just spent $8K on mine, and felt like I got a great deal. Sucks.
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K.
How much should I pay?
A larger house will cost you $5K - $7K, not including wood rot repair. I just spent $8K on mine, and felt like I got a great deal. Sucks.
eff painting get vinyl siding.
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K.
How much should I pay?
A larger house will cost you $5K - $7K, not including wood rot repair. I just spent $8K on mine, and felt like I got a great deal. Sucks.
Yeah, zero chance I am 1) paying that 2) that mine would cost that.
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You would be surprised how easy and quick it will be to paint your own house. Just buy the ladder, I use the crap out of mine. Do the main color first so you can get a sloppy as you want, then work on the trim. You can knock it out in one weekend if you bust balls. You can buy a sprayer but it doesn't look as good as hand painted. Just do it and use that cash on another toy to reward yourself.
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A lot of people are being unhelpful is this thread.
1) Do you want to spray or do you want to roll? My recommendation is brush/roll because you will have better results, and it will last longer. Spraying is only acceptable if you can immediately follow it back up with a roller for an even coat. (spraying takes 2 people)
2) S.P.C.P.P. (Scrape, Prime, Caulk, Paint, Paint (2nd coat). A lot of paints out there require a second coat for the 10-year warranty (and the first may not cover).
a) Scrape all lose paint
b) Prime all bare wood/siding, places with superficial mildew, rust, etc.
c) Caulk you face off. I've gone through 2-1/2 cases of caulk so far (12 bottles in one case). My house is all older siding though. Caulk all gaps, windows, etc.
d) Paint first coat.
e) Paint second coat.
3) Utensils
a) Ladders (I own 4. 24ft extension, a Little Giant, 6ft step, and 12ft Extension). Get what you need. Buying might be cheaper than renting.
b) Rollers, Roller Covers, Paint Brush(s), Scraping Utensils, Paint Can Holder (for ladder), rags, can opener, stirrers, drop cloth (over cement), etc.
Just start rocking out and you will get the hang of it. It takes a long while. I did half of my house in the fall. I recommend hiring someone to replace major wood rot (I shouldn't have tried to do it myself). Call me if you have additional questions.
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
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The only tools you need to get your house painted are a pen and a checkbook.
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
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usually just trim the hairs, dont know any girls who like paint down there.
weird thread, imo.
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usually just trim the hairs, dont know any girls who like paint down there.
weird thread, imo.
weirdo post, imo.
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
well, get to it
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
well, get to it
WELL WHAT DO YOU THINK I'M TRYING TO DO HERE?
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KK,
Power washing is def the first thing to do. Can buy a good one for $400 or so and then use it to clean your deck, patio, etc later on.
Gotta give the house a day or two to dry after power washing. Then go buy like a case of white paintable latex caulk and seal all your batt boards and trim to the siding to prevent water from getting behind them.
Paint the main color
Trim the trim color.
Also, you can def use a sprayer and roll/brush back by yourself. Used to spray and brush back all the time when I did this in HS. Apply with sprayer over as big of an area as you can reach, then brush it into the crevices, cracks, etc then move and repeat until your house is painted.
Depending on how bad your house needs it, this will take you two to three weekends to do on your own.
Also, check with local rental joint. Many have man lifts that can be hauled behind a truck and moved around the house easily. They have a bucket that you stand in with controls that allows you to move around the side of the house(up, down, sideways) that would make access to the out of reach areas much faster than the constant up/down and moving the ladder. You should be able to rent one for about $100/day or so. This would cut down on the time it takes to do all this in a huge way. Like half maybe.
How long do you plan on living in this house?
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Painted mine last summer. Brush. Sherwin Williams Duration Exterior, which is expensive but bitb. My house was white and I painted it a light tan so I only needed one coat. If you're painting your house the same color or a darker color you should only need one coat if you bought quality paint. Duration has a primer built in. KK, here are the steps I did in painting my house:
Step 1: Wash the house. You can rent a power washer and do it that way as 'clams suggested however you can also get on a ladder and scrub your house with soap and water. I had one of those car washer thingys that you put on the end of the hose with a long handle and brush at the end, and a built in soap dispenser. Took one day to wash my entire house this way. Rinse with a hose after scrubbing. You probably need to let the house dry for at least 2 days before painting.
Step 2: Scrape the peeling paint. I hate scraping paint, it's the worst part of a do-it-yourself paint job. IMO some people go overboard on the scraping. Just remove the paint that is obviously peeling, bubbling or is spider-cracked (<---made that term up for when there is a ton of cracks and it looks like a spider web). Put a tarp, or old sheet or something below you to collect all the paint chips.
Step 3: Paint. People thought I was crazy using a brush but that's how my dad had always done our house when I was a kid. I used a 4" Purdy Polyester/Nylon blend brush. In my experience Purdy brushes are the best by far. They maintain their shape and give you a really even coating. They are a little more expensive though. For the trim I used a 3" Purdy angled brush.
Trim: Don't tape the windows. Just be sloppy and get paint all over the glass, and then when you are done use a razor blade on the glass and remove the paint. It comes off super easy and takes way less time than taping. My trim needed 2 coats because I was painting white over dark blue. So I did the first coat, then did the house and then did the 2nd coat on the trim. This allowed me to be fast and sloppy with my base coat on the house because I knew I was putting another coat on the trim that would cover up any imperfections.
House: The only tip on painting the main part of the house is to paint in the direction of your siding and don't stop halfway. If your siding runs side to side (as most do) then paint maybe 4 or 5 boards at a time running side to side down your house. Make sure you don't stop halfway down and take a break because the paint will dry and then when you start again there will be a noticeable line where you stopped/started. Keep painting until you reach the end of the house or a window or something. If your siding is flat and runs top to bottom it's the same idea only you will paint from top to bottom and you'll make sure you don't stop halfway down.
Cleaning Brushes: Cleaning brushes every day can be a pain and take forever, so don't do it! Buy some large ziploc bags (large enough to put your whole paintbrush in and after each day of painting put your brush in the bag it will stay wet for days. If you are painting the next day just take it out in the morning and start painting again. Eventually you'll have to wash it out completely because it will get filled with paint.
Oh Yeah: If you see any large gaps or cracks in the siding make sure you fill it in with some caulk (that's what she said) before painting. Also don't paint if it's hotter than 90 degrees. Paint won't adhere or dry correctly.
OK!
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Window paint pro tip from HS me:
On the areas where the windows won't be trimmed a diff color than the base, spray the entire window.
Then, when done with the painting of the house, take a razor, score the paint on the glass, spray with hose for a min or so. Then take the razor and score around the ends of the glass at the wood areas and peel paint on glass right off like a shitty sticker.
This works really well with latex paint and is much easier than razorblading off dry brushed on paint..
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Thanks guys. Sounds pretty pud.
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When I painted in college some dudes would be scared to get on the 40" ladder. I would climb up to the roof and put their paycheck up there :eye:
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When I painted in college some dudes would be scared to get on the 40" ladder. I would climb up to the roof and put their paycheck up there :eye:
Used to not GAF about heights. Last summer I painted, the ladder slipped on the slight slope we were on and I rode it down from the roof line of a two story house. Not big on ladders now. I am not consciously worried about them, but my subconscious kicks in pretty quickly when I get more than 10-15' in the air on a ladder.
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I spend most of my weekends doing DIY stuff because i generally (weirdly?) enjoy it, but painting a house sounds terrible. Plus it sounds like you'll need at least a couple grand worth of supplies and materials, anyway.
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I spend most of my weekends doing DIY stuff because i generally (weirdly?) enjoy it, but painting a house sounds terrible. Plus it sounds like you'll need at least a couple grand worth of supplies and materials, anyway.
If you already own a ladder, you should be able to paint an avg size house for about $500 in paint, about $100 in caulk, and about $400 in rental of power washer and paint sprayer.
The real cost comparo is personally spending three weekends on a ladder in the KS summer heat for the $2k-$3k savings of not having someone else do it.
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This thread has made me once again pleased with my move to Texas.... My house is made of brick, and if it weren't, I could have a crew of messicans paint the entire structure in a day and a half for under $1k plus materials.
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This thread has made me once again pleased with my move to Texas.... My house is made of brick, and if it weren't, I could have a crew of messicans paint the entire structure in a day and a half for under $1k plus materials.
You can do that in KS too. The builders who put shitty JoCo houses up in no time have them painted like this. Entire house sprayed(only) by two guys in a day.
That is why I asked KK how long he will be living there. That kind of paint job needs to be re-upped pretty often(like every 3yrs) or it will look super shitty quickly after. The paint job most above described will last much longer than that and you won't have as much wood repair when you do repaint.
Water is the most important thing to protect your house from, period. That one day paint job does a pretty bad job of that.
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
I have friends who made it through an econ 100 class and like to make a similar argument for any number of things they could do themselves but waste money on to hire some vagrant to do. I feel like fundamentally its being looked at backwards, the assumption is comparing how much you make at your day job versus the per hour cost of doing the job, to determine if you should DIY or not. But that implies that you are working OR doing this project. I don't think anyone here would advocate that you should take off time w/out pay to paint your house, KK. The question is how to spend your time outside of work, which you are currently making zero dollars at.
Now, KK, you mention not having the time in general for the project. I don't know what kind of hours you work but i assume that, that is because of existing leisure time activities and plans. Not to discount the value of leisure, but you are "paying" the cost of having your house painted when you go to the lake instead. Leisure is always costly, though. Movies cost money, airfare costs money, and the lost opportunity cost of not painting your house yourself, costs money.
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
I have friends who made it through an econ 100 class and like to make a similar argument for any number of things they could do themselves but waste money on to hire some vagrant to do. I feel like fundamentally its being looked at backwards, the assumption is comparing how much you make at your day job versus the per hour cost of doing the job, to determine if you should DIY or not. But that implies that you are working OR doing this project. I don't think anyone here would advocate that you should take off time w/out pay to paint your house, KK. The question is how to spend your time outside of work, which you are currently making zero dollars at.
Now, KK, you mention not having the time in general for the project. I don't know what kind of hours you work but i assume that, that is because of existing leisure time activities and plans. Not to discount the value of leisure, but you are "paying" the cost of having your house painted when you go to the lake instead. Leisure is always costly, though. Movies cost money, airfare costs money, and the lost opportunity cost of not painting your house yourself, costs money.
I do have the time. I also understand opportunity cost but thanks for the lecture.
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i'm going to summarize my thoughts on the subject- if i had the paint, i'd probably watch some youtube of a guy painting his house and it would read exactly like _33's post. and i'd convince myself that it's not that bad. then i'd do it and i'd hate everything about the world after about an hour on the job. and i would really hate everything. then i would finish and it would be decent. and i'd swear that i'd never do it again.
just my :twocents:
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
I have friends who made it through an econ 100 class and like to make a similar argument for any number of things they could do themselves but waste money on to hire some vagrant to do. I feel like fundamentally its being looked at backwards, the assumption is comparing how much you make at your day job versus the per hour cost of doing the job, to determine if you should DIY or not. But that implies that you are working OR doing this project. I don't think anyone here would advocate that you should take off time w/out pay to paint your house, KK. The question is how to spend your time outside of work, which you are currently making zero dollars at.
Now, KK, you mention not having the time in general for the project. I don't know what kind of hours you work but i assume that, that is because of existing leisure time activities and plans. Not to discount the value of leisure, but you are "paying" the cost of having your house painted when you go to the lake instead. Leisure is always costly, though. Movies cost money, airfare costs money, and the lost opportunity cost of not painting your house yourself, costs money.
I do have the time. I also understand opportunity cost but thanks for the lecture.
:lol:
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i'm going to summarize my thoughts on the subject- if i had the paint, i'd probably watch some youtube of a guy painting his house and it would read exactly like _33's post. and i'd convince myself that it's not that bad. then i'd do it and i'd hate everything about the world after about an hour on the job. and i would really hate everything. then i would finish and it would be decent. and i'd swear that i'd never do it again.
just my :twocents:
like flying coach
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hire some guys to do it
SD, is there any task that your kneejerk reaction isn't to pay someone else to do it for you?
Is this you?
http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117 (http://articles.latimes.com/2013/jan/17/business/la-fi-mo-man-outsourced-job-to-china-20130117)
I do some stuff myself but only the stuff that I'm good at and that can't be done cheaply by someone else. I'm not (and I bet KK isn't) good at painting a house or doing other handyman type activities. opportunity cost or whatever.
I already have the paint and I'm looking labor costs vs. time on my hands right in the face.
I have friends who made it through an econ 100 class and like to make a similar argument for any number of things they could do themselves but waste money on to hire some vagrant to do. I feel like fundamentally its being looked at backwards, the assumption is comparing how much you make at your day job versus the per hour cost of doing the job, to determine if you should DIY or not. But that implies that you are working OR doing this project. I don't think anyone here would advocate that you should take off time w/out pay to paint your house, KK. The question is how to spend your time outside of work, which you are currently making zero dollars at.
Now, KK, you mention not having the time in general for the project. I don't know what kind of hours you work but i assume that, that is because of existing leisure time activities and plans. Not to discount the value of leisure, but you are "paying" the cost of having your house painted when you go to the lake instead. Leisure is always costly, though. Movies cost money, airfare costs money, and the lost opportunity cost of not painting your house yourself, costs money.
I do have the time. I also understand opportunity cost but thanks for the lecture.
Then by all means! Its not rocket science.
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This thread has made me once again pleased with my move to Texas.... My house is made of brick, and if it weren't, I could have a crew of messicans paint the entire structure in a day and a half for under $1k plus materials.
You can do that in KS too. The builders who put shitty JoCo houses up in no time have them painted like this. Entire house sprayed(only) by two guys in a day.
That is why I asked KK how long he will be living there. That kind of paint job needs to be re-upped pretty often(like every 3yrs) or it will look super shitty quickly after. The paint job most above described will last much longer than that and you won't have as much wood repair when you do repaint.
Water is the most important thing to protect your house from, period. That one day paint job does a pretty bad job of that.
Seems more cost effective in the long haul to just cover the entire structure (sans roof) with brick...
:dunno:
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i'm going to summarize my thoughts on the subject- if i had the paint, i'd probably watch some youtube of a guy painting his house and it would read exactly like _33's post. and i'd convince myself that it's not that bad. then i'd do it and i'd hate everything about the world after about an hour on the job. and i would really hate everything. then i would finish and it would be decent. and i'd swear that i'd never do it again.
just my :twocents:
I redid a bunch of a house in Milwaukee once, and felt EXACTLY like that after every single piece of it.
No more of that crap for me.
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I am with 'clams and pete all the way on this one. I've done enough to know that I hate it and that I never find it rewarding after.
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Painting a house by yourself would take forever. Especially if the siding is at all a mess.
I'm sure if you told a painting crew that you already bought the first two or whatever buckets of paint they would subtract that from the estimate. In fact, they'd probably welcome it because it would save them a trip to sherwin williams and it would let them know exactly what color you want.
I interned for a summer on a painting crew.
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When I painted in college some dudes would be scared to get on the 40" ladder. I would climb up to the roof and put their paycheck up there :eye:
:lol:
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I've done a few myself. It's a lot of work. Any more, I will only spray or roll. I refuse to brush, let alone scrape or caulk anything.
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Pay up KK. You will do it wrong/crapity and have to pay someone to redo it in 2 years anyway.
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I've done a few myself. It's a lot of work. Any more, I will only spray or roll. I refuse to brush, let alone scrape or caulk anything.
I would also suggest never trying to paint a house with a brush... i mean JFC what are we, cavemen?
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I'll be painting my house (or having someone else do it) next summer. This thread has been extremely informative and I'll be archiving it for use next year. The utility of this site continues to amaze me. :dance: