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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: steve dave on May 15, 2013, 07:35:17 AM
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Conferences continue to jockey for position with different bowls after the change to a playoff system. The Big 12, for example, lost it's biggest non-BCS attachment when the Cotton Bowl was named to the College Football Playoff's semifinal rotation. Another bowl in the heart of Texas will likely take its place.
"Expect the Valero Alamo Bowl to inherit the AT&T Cotton Bowl's role as an elite matchup," Chuck Carlton of the Dallas Morning News reported. "Look for a trade of bowl resort cities, with Orlando replacing San Diego. And Memphis' Beale Street could become a yearly destination for a Big 12 team."
The Big 12 is also expected to lose the Holiday Bowl to the Big Ten Conference.
"A relationship dating back to the 1998 with the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl will end with the 2013 game," sources told Carlton.
The Liberty Bowl could also be a major target for the Big 12. The Liberty bowl would upgrade from its current agreement with Conference USA. The Big 12 is interested, and bowl game officials are even more interested.
"The answer is an emphatic yes." Liberty Bowl executive director Steve Ehrhart told Carlton.
The Big 12's new bowl lineup outside of the College Football playoff should include the Alamo, Buffalo Wild Wings, Russell Athletic, Liberty, Meineke Car Care and Heart of Dallas bowls.
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Wow.
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That doesn't look very good. I kind of expect the Russell Athletic Bowl to become our #3. They jumped out of nowhere to get the inside track to get the ACC #2, so they are probably going to have a good increase in payout. I doubt they would work to get the ACC #2 and turn around and match them with our #4.
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it's going to be great getting to watch most of the big 12 bowl slate during christmas break!
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who here loves 2PM kickoffs the wednesday before new years? :drool:
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so we're giving up bowl games on the west coast and adding bowl games on the east coast. sign of things to come? we're going to add a couple more teams from that area?
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FSN Regional Blackout Bowl!
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"The answer is an emphatic yes." Liberty Bowl executive director Steve Ehrhart told Carlton.
Love how Bowlsby just strolled in and pistol whipped Conference USA for their bowl game. He's a stud middle manager who gets berated by the VP and takes it out on his most pud employee like a complete boss.
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At least we have a bowl game in Orlando :fatty:
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the teams make the bowls, not the other way around
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Horrible news to wake up to.
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Poor rough ridin' choices. Next thing the will do is add a bowl game in KC. Can't wait for the KC Masterpiece bowl, or god forbid the Legends Bowl and they play in the Sporting KC stadium.
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Not having San Diego is devastating. Yeah we'd rather go to Memphis than San Diego just because Iowa State had a good time there and could drive there easy? Jesus Christ. Bye San Diego.
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BID
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it's not like it was our choice though. I mean, the b10 decided they wanted to play in it. it's not like the pud b12 can compete with that.
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it's not like it was our choice though. I mean, the b10 decided they wanted to play in it. it's not like the pud b12 can compete with that.
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it's not like it was our choice though. I mean, the b10 decided they wanted to play in it. it's not like the pud b12 can compete with that.
This is true. And it makes me angrier.
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The tuck response is great. :emawkid:
Recruiting hotbeds!
Re: Big 12's new bowl lineup
On paper it sounds bad.....but what I think it really happening is more of a focus on keeping the Big 12 teams in Recruiting "hot beds"
Also, the further we intertwine with SEC.....the more the "new" bowls make sense.
I loved going to the Holiday Bowl....but besides a fun trip....it made little sense for a Big 12 team.
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We kind of crap on the Holiday Bowl in recent years. It always should have been up there with the Cotton Bowl (like ksu made it when we mushed the Cotton for the Holiday in 99). I think it was sub-Alamo at the end? We deserve the rough ridin' Memphis Bowl.
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We kind of crap on the Holiday Bowl in recent years. It always should have been up there with the Cotton Bowl (like ksu made it when we mushed the Cotton for the Holiday in 99). I think it was sub-Alamo at the end? We deserve the rough ridin' Memphis Bowl.
yep, when the big12 let the bowls choose who went where instead of the slotting system the payout for the Alamo and the Insight ( :sdeek:) jumped it.
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Looks liking we're sucking the hind tit on these bowl deals. :embarrassed:
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I guess I'm not as worried about this as everyone else. With there now being 6 top level bowls, the #2 Big12 will have to be outside the top 11 not to still have a 2nd team in the Fiesta, Cotton, or, Chick-Fil-A. Our best team not in a playoff bowl (most years our #3) will go to the Alamo to play the PAC-12s best team not in a playoff bowl. After that our next best team will probably go to Orlando to play the ACC's best team not in a playoff bowl (Big12s 3/4 vs ACC 2/3). After that I have no problem with regional bowls our fans can easily get to.
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It's obvious the national media is trying to give the Big 10 our exposure. Is WVU killing us? :bang:
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I guess I'm not as worried about this as everyone else. With there now being 6 top level bowls, the #2 Big12 will have to be outside the top 11 not to still have a 2nd team in the Fiesta, Cotton, or, Chick-Fil-A. Our best team not in a playoff bowl (most years our #3) will go to the Alamo to play the PAC-12s best team not in a playoff bowl. After that our next best team will probably go to Orlando to play the ACC's best team not in a playoff bowl (Big12s 3/4 vs ACC 2/3). After that I have no problem with regional bowls our fans can easily get to.
How does the Sugar fit in? Do we only send a big12 team if they are conference champs and not in the playoff?
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It's obvious the national media is trying to give the Big 10 our exposure. Is WVU killing us? :bang:
Knew we should if added San Diego State! :curse:
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Will Nike ban us from playing in the russel poor-bowl?
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It's like the Big XII gives us all more money but much shittier things.
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I guess I'm not as worried about this as everyone else. With there now being 6 top level bowls, the #2 Big12 will have to be outside the top 11 not to still have a 2nd team in the Fiesta, Cotton, or, Chick-Fil-A. Our best team not in a playoff bowl (most years our #3) will go to the Alamo to play the PAC-12s best team not in a playoff bowl. After that our next best team will probably go to Orlando to play the ACC's best team not in a playoff bowl (Big12s 3/4 vs ACC 2/3). After that I have no problem with regional bowls our fans can easily get to.
How does the Sugar fit in? Do we only send a big12 team if they are conference champs and not in the playoff?
If its not a semifinal, our champ goes there. If champ is in playoff, our next best goes no matter what (my top 11 comment was incorrect, as the Orange and Rose have similar agreements that would allow a non-top 11 team to get in those bowls, thus reducing the number of available at-large spots)
If the Sugar is a semifinal, our champ goes to another top 6 bowl. If the Sugar is a semi and our champ is in the playoff (whether its in the Rose or Sugar), the auto bids stop and if we want a 2nd team in they have to be ranked high enough to get a autobid.
The rough years will be the years the Fiesta and Chick-Fil-A bowls are the semis, because those years there will only be 1 true at-large spot in the Cotton to play the top ranked non-AQ champ. If the Big12 gets a team in the playoff those years, we get 2 in because our #2 goes Sugar. However, if there isn't a Big12 team in the playoff, to get that Cotton spot we have to have the top ranked at-large team after the Rose, Orange, and Sugar (SEC side) backfill with teams from their contacted conferences.
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I'm kind of conflicted. San Diego is definitely elite, but their stadium was :barf:
I would have been fine replacing it with a different equally elite bowl, but Buffalo Wild Wings, Russell Athletic, Liberty, Meineke Car Care and Heart of Dallas are rough ridin' garbage.
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Now maybe we (k-state) will actually win a bowl game every once in a while.
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the Liberty is better than the Holiday
TRUST ME
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The big-12 should start some of our own bowls. They could be elite. Conference keeps all revenue minus the fee paid to the opposing team for showing up. Kinda like a home non-con game.
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However, if there isn't a Big12 team in the playoff, to get that Cotton spot we have to have the top ranked at-large team after the Rose, Orange, and Sugar (SEC side) backfill with teams from their contacted conferences.
This is where crap gets complicated and I feel like the Big 12 is getting screwed.
If we took 2012 as an example, the bowls would of looked like this-
Playoff - none
KSU- in Sugar as champ
OU - borderline on top 11, most likely Alamo?
UT - Buffalo Wild Wings (old Insight in PHX correct?)
OSU - Russel Athletic (old Citrus in Orlando)
ISU - Liberty
WvU - Meineke Care Care (this is the game in Charlotte, NC I believe)
BU - Heart of Dallas
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the holiday bowl has sucked for a long time. been to SD three times. not upset.
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Poor rough ridin' choices. Next thing the will do is add a bowl game in KC. Can't wait for the KC Masterpiece bowl, or god forbid the Legends Bowl and they play in the Sporting KC stadium.
Dude, Livestrong only seats like 19k so we don't have to worry about playing any games there period, let alone a bowl game.
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However, if there isn't a Big12 team in the playoff, to get that Cotton spot we have to have the top ranked at-large team after the Rose, Orange, and Sugar (SEC side) backfill with teams from their contacted conferences.
This is where crap gets complicated and I feel like the Big 12 is getting screwed.
If we took 2012 as an example, the bowls would of looked like this-
Playoff - none
KSU- in Sugar as champ
OU - borderline on top 11, most likely Alamo?
UT - Buffalo Wild Wings (old Insight in PHX correct?)
OSU - Russel Athletic (old Citrus in Orlando)
ISU - Liberty
WvU - Meineke Care Care (this is the game in Charlotte, NC I believe)
BU - Heart of Dallas
To be fair, in those years we run the same risk as the PAC and ACC. The risk is also a little less for the BigTen and SEC, but not much, each only have a 38% chance if getting an extra locked in spot in the Orange.
I guess it depends on who you think is doing the screwing of the Big12 here. The system is slightly, but no more than the PAC or ACC. Maybe the Big12 is screwing itself with its bowl lineup. I also think your lineup will prove to be wrong. Maybe it's me being optimistic, but I really think the Russell jumps the BWW and matches our #3 with the ACC's best non-playoff team. I don't think think they'd invest to get the ACC's 2nd pick and match them up with our 4. Having our teams matched up with both the PAC and ACC's best non-playoff bowl teams is pretty good, I just don't think the names of those bowls are what you think would historically produce them.
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the holiday had "old big 12" feel to it :frown: I am going to miss it a ton. lots of great big 12 football played there.
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December 29, 1995 Kansas State 54 Colorado State 21
December 30, 1996 Colorado 33 Washington 21
December 29, 1997 Colorado State 35 Missouri 24
December 30, 1998 Arizona 23 Nebraska 20
December 29, 1999 Kansas State 24 Washington 20
December 29, 2000 Oregon 35 Texas 30
December 28, 2001 Texas 47 Washington 43
December 27, 2002 Kansas State 34 Arizona State 27
December 30, 2003 Washington State 28 Texas 20
December 30, 2004 Texas Tech 45 California 31
December 29, 2005 Oklahoma 17 Oregon 14
December 28, 2006 California 45 Texas A&M 10
December 27, 2007 Texas 52 Arizona State 34
December 30, 2008 Oregon 42 Oklahoma State 31
December 30, 2009 Nebraska 33 Arizona 0
December 30, 2010 Washington 19 Nebraska 7
December 28, 2011 Texas 21 California 10
December 27, 2012 Baylor 49 UCLA 26
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This sucks guys
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I'm excited about the Liberty Bowl. I suppose I wish we still had the Holiday bowl AND added the Liberty Bowl, but Memphis seems really fun.
It seems like a place I would have fun.
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Pete, are you sure the Liberty bowl isn't in Liberty, MO?
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would enjoy Memphis
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If we are going to expand with teams on the east coast, we should probably dump the west coast bowl games and pick up east coast bowl games. This move seemed inevitable.
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I know this has been covered somewhere else: Memphis is a complete crap hole. :barf:
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i am super pissed about this but then i think about how pissed off i am about oscar's recruiting, LHC Bill Snyder's recruiting, oscar not scheduling an OOC Sprint Center game, oscar firing angel from the team, frank leaving, currie firing jamar from the team, the WSC being behind schedule, the WSC not having trees, the field turf mismatching, the date picked for fattyfest, the Big 12 - SEC Challenge match ups, not playing a better team than Tulane in Brooklyn, Josh Gray, Will Spradling, not having a limestone wall at BSFS, the Accounting firm who audits KSUAD, the AD not selling beer to poors at BSFS, the AD not announcing the Spring Game time/date sooner, and then i'm like oh man, i'm so mad.
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i am super pissed about this but then i think about how pissed off i am about oscar's recruiting, LHC Bill Snyder's recruiting, oscar not scheduling an OOC Sprint Center game, oscar firing angel from the team, frank leaving, currie firing jamar from the team, the WSC being behind schedule, the WSC not having trees, the field turf mismatching, the date picked for fattyfest, the Big 12 - SEC Challenge match ups, not playing a better team than Tulane in Brooklyn, Josh Gray, Will Spradling, not having a limestone wall at BSFS, the Accounting firm who audits KSUAD, the AD not selling beer to poors at BSFS, the AD not announcing the Spring Game time/date sooner, and then i'm like oh man, i'm so mad.
Awesome summary. You are good at this.
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I know this has been covered somewhere else: Memphis is a complete crap hole. :barf:
It seems like a good craphole though, doesn't it? I mean, if you just hit the legendary bbq joints and blues bars, and the game, what more could you really want?
No, I think I'll like the Memphis thing.
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If you want to party, Memphis beats San Diego by a bajillion.
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If you want to party, Memphis beats San Diego by a bajillion.
well i absolutely love to party so i am pumped about this
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If you want to party, Memphis beats San Diego by a bajillion.
well i absolutely love to party so i am pumped about this
You're only able to be pumped to party because you forgot about the trash can.
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the only bowl we went to multiple times and never lost right? :sdeek:
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It truly did turn into a dogshit bowl lately, though. The Russell bowl is better. And if you like lame places like San Diego, you'll LOVE Orlando.
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I'm excited about the Liberty Bowl. I suppose I wish we still had the Holiday bowl AND added the Liberty Bowl, but Memphis seems really fun.
It seems like a place I would have fun.
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that looks awful. like aggieville but even worse.
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i am super pissed about this but then i think about how pissed off i am about oscar's recruiting, LHC LHC Bill Snyder's recruiting, oscar not scheduling an OOC Sprint Center game, oscar firing angel from the team, frank leaving, currie firing jamar from the team, the WSC being behind schedule, the WSC not having trees, the field turf mismatching, the date picked for fattyfest, the Big 12 - SEC Challenge match ups, not playing a better team than Tulane in Brooklyn, Josh Gray, Will Spradling, not having a limestone wall at BSFS, the Accounting firm who audits KSUAD, the AD not selling beer to poors at BSFS, the AD not announcing the Spring Game time/date sooner, and then i'm like oh man, i'm so mad.
:D
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I WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THE MEMPHIS BOWL!- Heath "Jacob Pullen" Fanning
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I know this has been covered somewhere else: Memphis is a complete crap hole. :barf:
I WILL NOT BE ATTENDING THE MEMPHIS BOWL!- Heath "Jacob Pullen" Fanning
I liked it better when Fanning atleast tried to cover up that Willesgirl was his sock.
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The best thing to come out of Memphis was JT, the worst thing besides murder you ask? Choke city free throws by Rose in the natty! :dropsmic: :clac:
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It's pretty obvious you Memphis haters haven't seen the duck march at the Peabody Hotel yet.
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It's pretty obvious you Memphis haters haven't seen the duck march at the Peabody Hotel yet.
This.
I've seen it twice and can unequivocally state that you haven't really seen Memphis until youve seen the duck march. (And spent a night on Beale Street, of course).
http://www.peabodymemphis.com/peabody-ducks/
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I mean, they bus people in from around the city to watch those ducks. You can't miss that.
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Seriously, guys, how can you not be excited about going to watch the cats win a game in Memphis?
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Anyone saying that Liberty trumps the Holiday doesn't know their ass from a hole in the ground. Best weather on the planet, SD zoo, Sea World, Safari Park, Gaslamp, not to mention good beaches all provide more than Memphis can offer. Plus the Holiday Bowl has the best games score wise most years. I have season tickets just for the Big 12 tie in. Now...I don't know. Big 10, who gives a rat's ass?
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Why is the Big 12 so damn passive and not stand up for itself?
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Why is the Big 12 so damn passive and not stand up for itself?
i assume by "passive" you're referring to the league's office refusal to build towns and cities and people and tv sets that can rival the big 10's?
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I'm going to dress up like Elvis when we play in the Liberty Bowl and say "Thank you very much" at least 100 times before the night is through.
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I'm going to dress up like Elvis when we play in the Liberty Bowl and say "Thank you very much" at least 100 times before the night is through.
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you can drive it in a day............the town is a blast !..... :dance:
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The best thing about playing in Memphis will be taking all of my KC friends out for BBQ and then telling them how it's the best thing I've ever tasted.
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The best thing about playing in Memphis will be taking all of my KC friends out for BBQ and then telling them how it's the best thing I've ever tasted.
You wouldn't! :horrorsurprise:
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it's not like it was our choice though. I mean, the b10 decided they wanted to play in it. it's not like the pud b12 can compete with that.
This conference sucks.
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? You didn't want to meet Ashley and I had to Really like/
I want to do that I love you W
wow
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it's not like it was our choice though. I mean, the b10 decided they wanted to play in it. it's not like the pud b12 can compete with that.
This conference sucks.
And KU is the worst team in it.
What does that tell you?
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If you want to party, Memphis beats San Diego by a bajillion.
False. San Diego nightlife has gone up since the last time K-State was at the Holiday Bowl. But if you want to stay close to the stadium (which is a craphole) then you're SOL.
Plus San Diego has one of the best craft brew scenes in the nation.
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I am nostalgic over the Holiday Bowl, and have gone to 2 of 'em. It sucks it is leaving the rotation anyone who says different is wrong.
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It's a shame KU never got to go. :frown:
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I am nostalgic over the Holiday Bowl, and have gone to 2 of 'em. It sucks it is leaving the rotation anyone who says different is wrong.
It sucks not being able to go back, but at the same time, new doors are opening. I'm excited about the prospects of a potential Disney World bowl game pak and getting wasted in Memphis.
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All of you guys excited about going to Memphis have obviously never been to Memphis. :frown:
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Memphis seems just "okay" in a blue collar kind of way. Can speak definitively about San Diego and know it extremely wel - there just isn't a comparison. San Diego has a ridic amount of nightclubs and rooftop bars in the Gaslamp District, and tons of more laid back beach bars in Pacific Beach. La Jolla up north a few min or Coronado Island are a little more high-end/refined; and there's no shortage of stuff for families that don't want the bar/club scene.
Losing the Dallas/Cotton and San Diego/Holiday sucks all around and a trip to Memphis doesn't come close.
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All of you guys excited about going to Memphis have obviously never been to Memphis. :frown:
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Can confirm Memphis is an ugly shithole with many poors
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Go to San Diego if you love Green Day. And Memphis if you prefer the Sex Pistols.
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Been to the Holiday Bowl twice...loved it, not happy we are losing it. Happy for the Florida bowl though!
I have a really good buddy of mine that just moved from Memphis, he was a pilot for an airline. He lived in Memphis for a year could not stand the city, he would not even refer to it as Memphis, he would call it "hell" instead.
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Well I think there should be a bowl in MHK. There is no place i'd rather be. :D
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
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direct flights from salina! :party:
never mind, i can't do this. :frown:
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i am super pissed about this but then i think about how pissed off i am about oscar's recruiting, LHC LHC Bill Snyder's recruiting, oscar not scheduling an OOC Sprint Center game, oscar firing angel from the team, frank leaving, currie firing jamar from the team, the WSC being behind schedule, the WSC not having trees, the field turf mismatching, the date picked for fattyfest, the Big 12 - SEC Challenge match ups, not playing a better team than Tulane in Brooklyn, Josh Gray, Will Spradling, not having a limestone wall at BSFS, the Accounting firm who audits KSUAD, the AD not selling beer to poors at BSFS, the AD not announcing the Spring Game time/date sooner, and then i'm like oh man, i'm so mad.
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? You didn't want to meet Ashley and I had to Really like/
I want to do that I love you W
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:lol: pffft wtf i don't even :confused:
Chinese bots attacking again??? :surprised:
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I never went to the holiday bowl, though I have been to San Diego. I loved the new year's eve part of the holiday bowl. I'll miss that.
Apart from that, I do not give a mother rough ridin' crap about losing the holiday bowl.
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I liked the Holiday Bowl better when it was important enough to have a real sponsor like Plymouth. Nothing like getting your picture taken next to a badass new Plymouth Voyager at the San Diego civic center.
Then it became the Culligan Holiday Bowl, which was okay if you liked purified water from your kitchen sink.
Then it becamse the Pacific Life Holiday Bowl which isn't bad if you're into humpback whales.
Then it went off the rails and was the Bridgepoint Education Holiday Bowl, which nobody really knows what that means. It's almost as confusing as the Arizona Cardinals playing in the University of Phoenix stadium, which isn't really a University and the Cardinals aren't really a NCAA team (then again they're barely an NFL team so maybe it does fit).
It won't be long before it's the Joe's Plumbing & Air Conditioning Holiday Bowl, and thankfully the Big XII will have nothing to do with that nonsense.
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
Delta just announced they're dropping Memphis from their Hub network. It was a leftover POS NW hub and never made sense with Atlanta right there anyway. Memphis airport basically just became MCI.
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
Delta just announced their dropping Memphis from their Hub network. It was a leftover POS NW hub and never made sense with Atlanta right there anyway. Memphis airport basically just became MCI.
That is very hurtful and not true SD. MCI at least has SW now. BTW you should see the small timey spectacle that the city is making out of this new service.
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
Delta just announced their dropping Memphis from their Hub network. It was a leftover POS NW hub and never made sense with Atlanta right there anyway. Memphis airport basically just became MCI.
That is very hurtful and not true SD. MCI at least has SW now. BTW you should see the small timey spectacle that the city is making out of this new service.
I'm really pumped for ICT. I've already booked flights. Also, I think you're confusing MCI with ICT.
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
Delta just announced their dropping Memphis from their Hub network. It was a leftover POS NW hub and never made sense with Atlanta right there anyway. Memphis airport basically just became MCI.
That is very hurtful and not true SD. MCI at least has SW now. BTW you should see the small timey spectacle that the city is making out of this new service.
Memphis is the second busiest cargo airport in the world, after hong kong.
Fed ex > delta for them.
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This is probably good news for Memphis airfare prices. fewer directs, but better prices. And I mean their directs were to places like Huntsville, AL and Columbia, MO. Woof.
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Thread has devolved into airport smack. :shakesfist:
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Thread has devolved into airport smack. :shakesfist:
THAT'S goEMAW.COM.
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This is probably good news for Memphis airfare prices. fewer directs, but better prices. And I mean their directs were to places like Huntsville, AL and Columbia, MO. Woof.
and salina </dmx>
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
Delta just announced their dropping Memphis from their Hub network. It was a leftover POS NW hub and never made sense with Atlanta right there anyway. Memphis airport basically just became MCI.
That is very hurtful and not true SD. MCI at least has SW now. BTW you should see the small timey spectacle that the city is making out of this new service.
Memphis is the second busiest cargo airport in the world, after hong kong.
Fed ex > delta for them.
yup. memphis airport goes 24/7
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Memphis is very proud of their super cargo-y airport
Delta just announced their dropping Memphis from their Hub network. It was a leftover POS NW hub and never made sense with Atlanta right there anyway. Memphis airport basically just became MCI.
That is very hurtful and not true SD. MCI at least has SW now. BTW you should see the small timey spectacle that the city is making out of this new service.
I'm really pumped for ICT. I've already booked flights. Also, I think you're confusing MCI with ICT.
:facepalm: I better brush up on my airport codes by #fattyfest