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We need to run the "Beasley" on this. Help!
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We haven't cheated in so long I kinda forgot how.
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We need to run the "Beasley" on this. Help!
pfft. we learned it by watching you.
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Chemhawk, you want the KSU playbook? Run Bill to some nowheresville school, mock him while he makes his transition, hire Matt Doherty, and recruit a bunch of valley kids.
Your welcome.
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laugh at the silliness thought up by haters, chemhawk. laugh at them.
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Just do a Chalmers
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Or a Morris
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Or a Collins
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Or an Arthur
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this is like kobe asking luis colon for tips on his fade away jumper. :dubious:
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this is like kobe asking luis colon for tips on his fade away jumper. :dubious:
mental image made me laugh :lol:
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this is like kobe asking luis colon for tips on his fade away jumper. :dubious:
"Imagine the hoop is as big as a nelelephant, the rest is easy."
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Step 1: Get everyone in the media to say "I don't really see how ku can be at fault in any way on this one".
Step 2: Distance yourself from the money
Step 3: Play dumb: "we had no idea this was going on"
Step 4: Get off with no repercussions
Step 5: Recruit next NBA talent and repeat
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Excellent breakdown CartierFor3.
Again kids, if an athletic department can keep the NCAA from investigating a multi-million dollar basketball ticket scalping scheme that ultimately sent 4 athletic department employees to Federal Prison. Then they're not worried about this thing at all.
The NCAA is protecting the top basketball schools more than ever, their ruling on UNC and Duke are laughable.
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Sometimes the basic principles of money laundering can be very difficult to understand.
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Larry Brown's School of Cheating
(Coach finds recruit) ----> (Coach tells agent) ----> (Agent Pays AAU coach to steer recruit) ----> (Recruit plays for Coach becomes NBA talent) ----> (Coach steers player to Agent) ----> (Repeat)
Calipari, Self and Brown have been doing this for ever. It is just so effing brilliant.
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Larry Brown's School of Cheating
(Coach finds recruit) ----> (Coach tells agent) ----> (Agent Pays AAU coach to steer recruit) ----> (Recruit plays for Coach becomes NBA talent) ----> (Coach steers player to Agent) ----> (Repeat)
Calipari, Self and Brown have been doing this for ever. It is just so effing brilliant.
Yea why do it yourself when you can subcontract the labor and not be liable at the same time? Fantastic business moves.
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
lol. How cute! Beems playing the naive card.
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
embrace the fact that your school pays players, beems. embrace it and rub it in our faces.
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Beems is taking the absolutely correct stance on this.
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
Logically, the agent was paid and directed by someone at KU to steer the player to the Jayhawks. Do you think this agent altruistically paid out of his own pocket to send McLemore to KU? You (and KU) are smart enough to know the answer to that, but plausible deniability is the best way to handle this.
The NCAA nuked USC football because a third party wannabe NFL agent with zero affiliation to USC bribed Reggie Bush while he was playing for the Trojans to convince him to become his client when Bush entered the NFL. That did not benefit USC whatsoever and none of Bush's improper benefits came from USC/anyone connected to USC, and they still received a huge punishment. NCAA logic is hit and miss and very inconsistent, but if they can harshly punish a school for something that didn't help them and was proven to not be connected to the school they can certainly punish a school that bought a player.
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Zenger: Hey what's 'Te3K's number?
Turgeon: LOL not a chance
Zenger: ku might be in deep crap
Turgeon: ok, fine xxx-xxx-xxxx
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
Logically, the agent was paid and directed by someone at KU to steer the player to the Jayhawks. Do you think this agent altruistically paid out of his own pocket to send McLemore to KU? You (and KU) are smart enough to know the answer to that, but plausible deniability is the best way to handle this.
The NCAA nuked USC football because a third party wannabe NFL agent with zero affiliation to USC bribed Reggie Bush while he was playing for the Trojans to convince him to become his client when Bush entered the NFL. That did not benefit USC whatsoever and none of Bush's improper benefits came from USC/anyone connected to USC, and they still received a huge punishment. NCAA logic is hit and miss and very inconsistent, but if they can harshly punish a school for something that didn't help them and was proven to not be connected to the school they can certainly punish a school that bought a player.
The AAU coach was paid to steer McLemore to the agent. KU and McLemore weren't even involved.
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The NCAA doesn't care about players that suck ballsacks and taints.
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
Logically, the agent was paid and directed by someone at KU to steer the player to the Jayhawks. Do you think this agent altruistically paid out of his own pocket to send McLemore to KU? You (and KU) are smart enough to know the answer to that, but plausible deniability is the best way to handle this.
The NCAA nuked USC football because a third party wannabe NFL agent with zero affiliation to USC bribed Reggie Bush while he was playing for the Trojans to convince him to become his client when Bush entered the NFL. That did not benefit USC whatsoever and none of Bush's improper benefits came from USC/anyone connected to USC, and they still received a huge punishment. NCAA logic is hit and miss and very inconsistent, but if they can harshly punish a school for something that didn't help them and was proven to not be connected to the school they can certainly punish a school that bought a player.
The AAU coach was paid to steer McLemore to the agent. KU and McLemore weren't even involved.
:lol:
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Man, if we hooked the #1 recruit this season and it blatantly came out that he got paid, I would buy his jersey and have the paid amt printed where his name should go.
Then I would buy a coordinating color polo and get some collar stays arranged so that the collar could never be anything but popped. I would wear the polo under the jersey every game day and at least once a week in the off season.
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
Logically, the agent was paid and directed by someone at KU to steer the player to the Jayhawks. Do you think this agent altruistically paid out of his own pocket to send McLemore to KU? You (and KU) are smart enough to know the answer to that, but plausible deniability is the best way to handle this.
The NCAA nuked USC football because a third party wannabe NFL agent with zero affiliation to USC bribed Reggie Bush while he was playing for the Trojans to convince him to become his client when Bush entered the NFL. That did not benefit USC whatsoever and none of Bush's improper benefits came from USC/anyone connected to USC, and they still received a huge punishment. NCAA logic is hit and miss and very inconsistent, but if they can harshly punish a school for something that didn't help them and was proven to not be connected to the school they can certainly punish a school that bought a player.
The AAU coach was paid to steer McLemore to the agent. KU and McLemore weren't even involved.
I'm sure your in depth probe here is spot on
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If I were a KU fan I would get a custom made jersey that says McLemore Money where the name goes and 10K for the number. Then I would wear it around all of my KSU friends and just smile because they would all be wishing KSU had the balls to pull something like that off.
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If I were a KU fan I would get a custom made jersey that says McLemore Money where the name goes and 10K for the number. Then I would wear it around all of my KSU friends and just smile because they would all be wishing KSU had the balls to pull something like that off.
Makes me really miss Huggs.
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
Logically, the agent was paid and directed by someone at KU to steer the player to the Jayhawks. Do you think this agent altruistically paid out of his own pocket to send McLemore to KU? You (and KU) are smart enough to know the answer to that, but plausible deniability is the best way to handle this.
The NCAA nuked USC football because a third party wannabe NFL agent with zero affiliation to USC bribed Reggie Bush while he was playing for the Trojans to convince him to become his client when Bush entered the NFL. That did not benefit USC whatsoever and none of Bush's improper benefits came from USC/anyone connected to USC, and they still received a huge punishment. NCAA logic is hit and miss and very inconsistent, but if they can harshly punish a school for something that didn't help them and was proven to not be connected to the school they can certainly punish a school that bought a player.
The AAU coach was paid to steer McLemore to the agent. KU and McLemore weren't even involved.
I think the NCAA will say they should have known because this guy was showing up to games and sitting in McLemore's seats, buying him meals.
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Hard to see how McLemore benefitted from giving complimentary tickets to the guy. The AAU coach has even said that KU didn't know about the involvement.
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Hard to see how McLemore benefitted from giving complimentary tickets to the guy. The AAU coach has even said that KU didn't know about the involvement.
Oh man, I guess we here at gE didn't read into the story enough. Sorry for saying KU was involved, Beems. We must not have had all the info.
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Hard to see how McLemore benefitted from giving complimentary tickets to the guy. The AAU coach has even said that KU didn't know about the involvement.
What other agents did McLemore give complimentary tickets to?
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Could someone explain the logic in punishing KU for a shady AAU coach taking money from a third party agent?
Depends upon the Reggie Bushiness of this.
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Sigh, I only wish we had the opportunity to embrace the kind of cesspool that is ku basketball. Someday their fans will embrace it as well.
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Sigh, I only wish we had the opportunity to embrace the kind of cesspool that is ku basketball. Someday their fans will embrace it as well.
It will be a "good old days" type of nostalgia though. Kind of a posthumous type of embrace.
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So, did anybody read the actual article? Somehow the $10K has to do with KU securing Ben's basketball services? Please, $10K is chump change.
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In Beasley suit, it's hard to view AAU coach Malone as the bad guy
David Steele Sporting News
On the surface, the legal wrangling recently uncovered among the Timberwolves’ Michael Beasley, his former agent and a major AAU coach from his hometown has the potential to cast everybody involved in a poor light. Since the allegations and counter-allegations drag Beasley’s former Kansas State team, the NCAA and, now, another benefactor into the dispute, they all stand to lose face as well.
Viewed with clearer eyes, though—and through a prism not of what college basketball deems improper but what society views as decent and honorable—most of these figures should not come off badly. Well ... with the exception of the NCAA, as usual, and the college basketball world’s warped sense of right and wrong.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdy.snimg.com%2Fstory-image%2F6%2F60%2F204924%2F58748-650-366.jpg&hash=232dd7603834cf5428f9a1927ddd335c1b9f3411)
Given that the courts will have the final word on who did and did not act properly in all this, here’s the one person who deserves better than the usual, instinctive public condemnation: the AAU coach in question, Curtis Malone.
Even taking Beasley’s account of things from his counter-suit against Malone and Joel Bell, the agent he said Malone improperly steered him to when he left college for the NBA, it’s hard to see anything Malone did wrong. For the moment, never mind that NCAA violations could have occurred, before and after Beasley landed at Kansas State four years ago. According to Beasley’s allegations, Malone—his coach on the regionally- and nationally-prominent D.C. Assault AAU program in the Washington area—took the wayward Beasley in as a teenager, mentored him, acted as a surrogate father, and helped his mother financially, at the very least to attend her son’s out of town games.
Terrible. How dare an adult give guidance and support to a needy youth under his tutelage?
And Malone stands accused of acting in this manner several other times in his life as an AAU coach. He did the same years earlier for the son and daughter of a former NBA player and assistant coach who, 15 years ago, died suddenly at age 43. The player was Derek Smith, and the son is Nolan Smith, who helped Duke win a national championship in 2010 and was drafted into the NBA last June. Malone is now his stepfather; he married Derek Smith’s widow.
As much as he cherishes his father’s memory, Nolan Smith cherishes the bond developed, and strength provided, by his stepfather. He speaks about Malone often and embraces their relationship as if it’s blood.
Smith also talks about another of Malone’s former AAU players—and this year a freshman at Duke—Quinn Cook, as if he’s his natural younger brother. Malone also stepped in to support Cook, a D.C.-area point guard whose own father also died suddenly three years ago. Malone has been much of a surrogate father to him as well, guiding him through his last two years of high school, through the recruiting process and the other challenges (including, as was the case with Nolan Smith, dealing with birthdays and holidays with his natural father gone).
This, it emerged from Beasley’s court action, is what Malone did with Beasley, raised by a single mother and whose father has been something of a spotty presence. Beasley’s upbringing and life seem much more troubled than either Smith’s or Cook’s, evidenced by the constant changes of high schools and, by his own admittance, behavior problems along the way.
That is pointed out not to judge Beasley, who has had other issues since entering the NBA, including a stint in rehab between his first and second NBA seasons after a scary bout of talk on Twitter that sounded potentially suicidal.
The core of his suit—filed after Bell sued him for breaking their player-agent contract illicitly—is that Malone and his AAU program took money from Bell, then steered Beasley to Bell when he reached the NBA, as a quid pro quo. There were also allegations of various people giving his mother money while he was at Kansas State. That should be Kansas State’s problem, of course.
Meanwhile, agents pumping money into youth programs and looking for a payday at the other end ... well, we’re all conditioned to believe that’s unsavory and contradictory to the ideals of intercollegiate sports. Of course, everything that actually benefits players in need instead of the schools and the figures in charge is portrayed as evil. That mentality seems to afflict Beasley himself, who claims to have felt “betrayed” by the news of his mother getting aid from outside parties.
Still, college players are justified in feeling “betrayed” by the system they’re fed into in order to reach the highest levels of their sport.
It’s just hard to see where Malone, who by all accounts is just a generous, dedicated coach and mentor, is the betrayer. No segment of the seamy underbelly of college basketball gets the public vilification that the AAU system does. But more often than not, it’s unjustly given. Coaches love taking aim at the AAU, as well as agents, for “manipulating” or “exploiting” the kids, largely because those coaches believe they should be manipulating or exploiting the kids themselves.
Beneath the image, plenty of coaches like Malone do far more good for their players than harm, particularly for players in dire need the way Beasley, Smith and Cook were. They’re the visible examples, the ones who beat the odds.
The merits of the cases involving Beasley will ultimately be decided in a courtroom. The court of public opinion, however, needs to give all the characters, including Malone, a fair hearing of their own.
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:DNR: Everyone knows Beasley took money, beems. We can admit it, YOU CAN'T!
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Every ku fan:
Don't know all the facts yet, but there's no way you can fault ku in any way on this one. They knew nothing about the money!
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:DNR: Everyone knows Beasley took money, beems. We can admit it, YOU CAN'T!
From the Beasley article:
The core of his suit—filed after Bell sued him for breaking their player-agent contract illicitly—is that Malone and his AAU program took money from Bell, then steered Beasley to Bell when he reached the NBA, as a quid pro quo. There were also allegations of various people giving his mother money while he was at Kansas State. That should be Kansas State’s problem, of course.
Any update on this, fellas?
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:DNR: Everyone knows Beasley took money, beems. We can admit it, YOU CAN'T!
From the Beasley article:
The core of his suit—filed after Bell sued him for breaking their player-agent contract illicitly—is that Malone and his AAU program took money from Bell, then steered Beasley to Bell when he reached the NBA, as a quid pro quo. There were also allegations of various people giving his mother money while he was at Kansas State. That should be Kansas State’s problem, of course.
Any update on this, fellas?
Yeah, we're all sad that it's not still happening.
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I truly believe KU had nothing to do with this and indeed stands to suffer because of it. But for those of you taking notes:
-Story was written weeks ago. US Today decided to release it on a Friday evening, which any PR pro will tell you is exactly when you want bad news to be published (No one is paying attention; a whole weekend until the beginning of the work week).
-Several national pundits magically release rebuttals over the weekend (those guys work weekends? Wow!), deflecting attention away from KU/McLemore and towards the "leeches."
-Come Monday, it's a non-story. You won't see it mentioned on Sports Center, having been effectively curtailed over the weekend.
This is how it's done.
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You won't see it mentioned on Sports Center, having been effectively curtailed over the weekend.
Good point. SportsCenter never has new stories on the weekends.
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:DNR: Everyone knows Beasley took money, beems. We can admit it, YOU CAN'T!
From the Beasley article:
The core of his suit—filed after Bell sued him for breaking their player-agent contract illicitly—is that Malone and his AAU program took money from Bell, then steered Beasley to Bell when he reached the NBA, as a quid pro quo. There were also allegations of various people giving his mother money while he was at Kansas State. That should be Kansas State’s problem, of course.
Any update on this, fellas?
Yeah, we're all sad that it's not still happening.
:lol:
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It's really funny how quickly KU fans back track once they're under the microscope. Jesus, own it, you deserve it.
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:DNR: Everyone knows Beasley took money, beems. We can admit it, YOU CAN'T!
From the Beasley article:
The core of his suit—filed after Bell sued him for breaking their player-agent contract illicitly—is that Malone and his AAU program took money from Bell, then steered Beasley to Bell when he reached the NBA, as a quid pro quo. There were also allegations of various people giving his mother money while he was at Kansas State. That should be Kansas State’s problem, of course.
Any update on this, fellas?
The head coach, all of the assistant coaches, all of the support staff from S&C to medical to ball boy, and all of the players involved are no longer at the school. The people funneling the money to Beasley were not affiliated with the school. Heck, I think even the compliance staff at the school has all been replaced. The NCAA wants to punish somebody; K-State turned over all of the info in its possession, but neither KSU nor the NCAA have the authority to get info from all the people that have moved on.
That's probably the route KU needs to take. Replace everyone on the coaching staff, S&C staff, support staff, compliance staff and all of the players. Once that happens, no one at KU will know anything and no one will be able to tell the NCAA anything. KU will get off scot free!
On a more serious note, Mclemore clearly had a relationship of some kind with the agent, otherwise why is he giving the agent free tickets to all of those games. And the article said that the agent sat with Mclemore's mom at one of the games, implying she at least knew him and potentially had some sort of relationship with him as well. In addition, one of Mclemore's relatives accepted gifts and free trips from the agent, all of which is a no-no. I can't see how the NCAA can afford to NOT do an investigation. At the very least, KU's compliance department should have wondered why a player from St Louis is repeatedly giving free tickets to some guy from LA, and should have done a little bit of investigating to find out who this guy is and make sure he's not someone that will jeopardize Mclemore's eligibility. KU either knew who the agent was or KU should have known who the agent was. Either way, KU did something wrong.
I don't expect the NCAA to actually do anything to KU, beyond possibly a slap on the wrist. As was mentioned earlier in the thread, the NCAA is very reluctant to punish its premiere brands like Duke, UNC and KU. However, it's clear to me that the "we didn't know!" argument is BS.
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
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good article. and yet the guy who "knows what curtis malone is" is the good guy, retired and golfing it up on maryland's millions. it's a weird world we live in.
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
The word
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You guys are trying harder than us. Congrats. :cheers:
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
excellent observation. that program really does deserve a better fanbase.
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
excellent observation. that program really does deserve a better fanbase.
Being a KU fan would be like getting to bang Mila Kunis for 5 months a year but you also have to bang Weiss for 5 months a year.
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
excellent observation. that program really does deserve a better fanbase.
Being a KU fan would be like getting to bang Mila Kunis for 5 months a year but you also have to bang Weiss for 5 months a year.
Excellent post, jtksu. The Weiss part will likely give me nightmares, but it will be worth it.
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
excellent observation. that program really does deserve a better fanbase.
Being a KU fan would be like getting to bang Mila Kunis for 5 months a year but you also have to bang Weiss for 5 months a year.
But a lot of KU basketball fans cheat on Weis with Stoops or Pelini, or they just don't bang Weis at all
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Can they pull Wiggin$?
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Can they pull Wiggin$?
Going to have to barter. Times are tight. Expense accts have to be down.
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Can they pull Wiggin$?
God willing. :crossfingers: It would really be the TKO punch for #teamburnitdown
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Do you guys think that Wiggins' street agent would be happy to get some free tix to hand out to actual agents and maybe some slightly used home gym equipment?
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Can they pull Wiggin$?
Going to have to barter. Times are tight. Expense accts have to be down.
Seems like there is no shortage of agent cash and unaccounted for tickets to cover the gap?
I think the kid goes to FSU though. Tallahassee is nicer than Lawrence.
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If only ku fans were as creative as ku basketball is.
excellent observation. that program really does deserve a better fanbase.
Being a KU fan would be like getting to bang Mila Kunis for 5 months a year but you also have to bang Weiss for 5 months a year.
Excellent post, jtksu. The Weiss part will likely give me nightmares, but it will be worth it.
Particularly when you get to bang Kunis twice a week, plus a decent chance at having some good Marathons in March/April. You only have to smell Weiss once per week and it's over after the regular season. Not a horrible trade, really.
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goEMAW does it again. Local Ku'er asks for TSC help, gE gives it and......Booom! We deliver Wiggins!!!!!
rough ridin' amazing what we do here.
Makes me proud to be a part of this, guys.