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According to Dave Telep.
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:bigtoke:
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GL Angel
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Someone get me a green and orange #TeamAngel shirt stat!
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Someone get me a green and orange #TeamAngel shirt stat!
Would wear
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Maybe Captain will stop by and let us know how much money Shakey is giving Angel and/or his family. Well, not tell us how much just.vaguely hint at it and then backoff of it.
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:shy:
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Someone get me a green and orange #TeamAngel shirt stat!
Will be hard to see him in anything but purple but I hope he does well unless we end up playing Miami in the NCAA tournament next year. Assuming hell freezes over and we actually make it in there.
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Someone get me a green and orange #TeamAngel shirt stat!
Will be hard to see him in anything but purple but I hope he does well unless we end up playing Miami in the NCAA tournament next year. Assuming hell freezes over and we actually make it in there.
Angel will have to sit next year out anyway.
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Someone get me a green and orange #TeamAngel shirt stat!
Will be hard to see him in anything but purple but I hope he does well unless we end up playing Miami in the NCAA tournament next year. Assuming hell freezes over and we actually make it in there.
Angel will have to sit next year out anyway.
Maybe. Filed for the hardship waiver.
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Angel will have to sit next year out anyway.
hopefully not. and hopefully miami has some dobs that are going to dob like crazy with art next year. dob city.
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hah, good
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It's the little things that gives that model of mediocrity known as Iowa State Athletics and its fans joy.
Good for them.
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It's the little things that gives that model of mediocrity known as Iowa State Athletics and its fans joy.
Good for them.
I can't even imagine how much it would suck to be an ISU fan.
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It's the little things that gives that model of mediocrity known as Iowa State Athletics and its fans joy.
Good for them.
I can't even imagine how much it would suck to be an ISU fan.
If you were, you'd be hoping for floods . . . giant walls of water to wash all that mediocrity away.
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It's the little things that gives that model of mediocrity known as Iowa State Athletics and its fans joy.
Good for them.
I can't even imagine how much it would suck to be an ISU fan.
The hilarity continues.
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GuillermoDiazFor3
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Miami, your 2014 ncaa tournament champions
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(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fblogs.roanoke.com%2Faaronmcfarling%2Ffiles%2F2011%2F08%2FtheU.jpg&hash=bb0542c9042ae5c92e7f0079fbeb807d743072dc)
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I told myself I wouldn't let this hurt, but it does.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com%2F92f4715ab28e11e2820422000a1f97b5_7.jpg&hash=4330d063ec532eaf69c66a453d4356c1db48a15f)
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:cry:
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eff me
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He looks happy.
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God damn it
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I told myself I wouldn't let this hurt, but it does.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com%2F92f4715ab28e11e2820422000a1f97b5_7.jpg&hash=4330d063ec532eaf69c66a453d4356c1db48a15f)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.vectorhive.com%2Fpics%2Fowls%2Filold.jpg&hash=c2c73f83c16a281b8c2fc8ccd7065828fb9724ba)
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I told myself I wouldn't let this hurt, but it does.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com%2F92f4715ab28e11e2820422000a1f97b5_7.jpg&hash=4330d063ec532eaf69c66a453d4356c1db48a15f)
:barf:
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He has the smile of someone who can now be there for his family.
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Angel is gonna look so freaking good in a U uni. :cry:
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He has the smile of someone who can now be there for his family.
He has the smile of someone with a full bank account.
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Looks financially tough
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Angel is gonna look so freaking good in a U uni. :cry:
He was born to be a Hurricane.
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i wonder how long until he shits on his miami teammates and fans
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I told myself I wouldn't let this hurt, but it does.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fdistilleryimage5.ak.instagram.com%2F92f4715ab28e11e2820422000a1f97b5_7.jpg&hash=4330d063ec532eaf69c66a453d4356c1db48a15f)
yeah up until i'd seen that photo i hadn't really let it sink in.
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omg
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At least we're getting rid of the cargo shorts wearers, one person at a time.
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At least we're getting rid of the cargo shorts wearers, one person at a time.
I never realized how ugly he really is.
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At least we're getting rid of the cargo shorts wearers, one person at a time.
I never realized how ugly he really is.
Too soon
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I never realized how ugly he really is.
too stupid.
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good for him.
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I have so many differing emotions about this.
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
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I have so many differing emotions about this.
i'm happy for him because of how happy he looks. as a general rule i want people to be happy and that just multiplies when we're talking about people that aren't even old enough to drink. pretty neat picture.
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happy for him
sad for me
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
No. He doesn't miss us and doesn't give one eff about us. Anyone who says different is wrong.
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
No. He doesn't miss us and doesn't give one eff about us. Anyone who says different is wrong.
I bet he misses Shane. And Jamar. And all his adorable partners in crime. :frown:
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
No. He doesn't miss us and doesn't give one eff about us. Anyone who says different is wrong.
This. eff Angel, he left us and doesn't give a crap about any of us.
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
No. He doesn't miss us and doesn't give one eff about us. Anyone who says different is wrong.
I bet he misses Shane. And Jamar. And all his adorable partners in crime. :frown:
the school crapped on jamar and on the coach he committed to come play for though. it sucks for him and us but i can't really blame him, you know? :frown:
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
No. He doesn't miss us and doesn't give one eff about us. Anyone who says different is wrong.
This. eff Angel, he left us and doesn't give a crap about any of us.
You guys are taking this pretty hard.
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Yeah. That picture makes me sad. Doesn't he miss us at all? :(
No. He doesn't miss us and doesn't give one eff about us. Anyone who says different is wrong.
I bet he misses Shane. And Jamar. And all his adorable partners in crime. :frown:
the school crapped on jamar and on the coach he committed to come play for though. it sucks for him and us but i can't really blame him, you know? :frown:
I love Jamar so much. I miss Angel too you guys.
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angel sucks.
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angel sucks.
Lol, oh KC. Keep doing you, man.
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Angel can go get fucke d for all I care now. He obviously doesn't care about how I feel.
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Angel can go get mumped for all I care now. He obviously doesn't care about how I feel.
his burning bridges are lighting the path to your happiness, if only you were brave enough to see it.
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Angel can go get mumped for all I care now. He obviously doesn't care about how I feel.
his burning bridges are lighting the path to your happiness, if only you were brave enough to see it.
Interesting, if true
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6zBjYIyz-0
:frown:
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I am moving on from Angel. Not because I don't wish he'd stayed (I wish he had)...but because I have to. We all have to. Closure.
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It still hasn't hit me yet that Angel Rodriguez will never play for us again.
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It still hasn't hit me yet that Angel Rodriguez will never play for us again.
It is difficult, but we must move on.
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It's the little things that gives that model of mediocrity known as Iowa State Athletics and its fans joy.
Good for them.
I can't even imagine how much it would suck to be an ISU fan.
The hilarity continues.
ISU has not won a conference championship in football in more than 100 years and K-State has more Sweet 16 appearances than ISU has NCAA Tournament wins.
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It's the little things that gives that model of mediocrity known as Iowa State Athletics and its fans joy.
Good for them.
I can't even imagine how much it would suck to be an ISU fan.
The hilarity continues.
ISU has not won a conference championship in football in more than 100 years and K-State has more Sweet 16 appearances than ISU has NCAA Tournament wins.
Iowa State has never been consistently relevant in anything except wrestling. I commend them for their grappling success. I commend them for nothing else. That is all.
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Knock Knock
Who's there?
Iowa State
Iowa State who?
Iowa State Cyclones
Iowa State Cyclones who?
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Knock Knock
Who's there?
Iowa State
Iowa State who?
Iowa State Cyclones
Iowa State Cyclones who?
:thumbs:
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:sadpeek:
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you know what they always say, when the going gets tough, just transfer to miami or take the south carolina job
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I will always love Angel for bringing us a Big 12 title but I am in that angry rage stage of grief right now.
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I hope Angel plays this year so I can cheer for him while I wear all my green and orange U gear
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you know what they always say, when the going gets tough, just transfer to miami or take the south carolina job
you know what they say, when things are going really well with your basketball team, you should unnecessarily suspend a starter twelve hours before a tournament game and then fire the head coach that got you there and then replace him with a guy that went 11 games under .500 in conference over the past five years at his previous school.
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frank was fired? breaking news here folks!
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frank was fired? breaking news here folks!
i don't think he would've been allowed to continue to coach at kstate. that's close enough to a firing for me. call it whatever you want to though.
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I'd still give him a purple hug. Especially when he's playing basketball in front of whatever empty arena they have in Miami.
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frank was fired? breaking news here folks!
i don't think he would've been allowed to continue to coach at kstate. that's close enough to a firing for me. call it whatever you want to though.
if you say frank was fired then frank was fired. and i'll call it that frank was fired.
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"frank was (or was going to be) fired" sounds a lot like the opposite version of "half the team was leaving". JMHO.
I mean clearly he and Currie weren't buddies and he may have had a few difficulties, but Frank was a long, long way from being fired at K-State.
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You know what happened two off-seasons ago? Frank left (there are lots of other threads referencing this iirc)
You know what happened this off-season? Angel left (this is the thread for discussing this)
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"frank was (or was going to be) fired" sounds a lot like the opposite version of "half the team was leaving". JMHO.
I mean clearly he and Currie weren't buddies and he may have had a few difficulties, but Frank was a long, long way from being fired at K-State.
agree to disagree because i'm pretty sure that he would not have been allowed to continue to coach at kstate would he have wanted that. water under the bridge though and sorry for bringing it up. go cats.
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I want the oscar era to be over right now if only so we can all have a different conversation. It's like a group of people with Alzheimers having a debate over abortion.
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I want the oscar era to be over right now if only so we can all have a different conversation. It's like a group of people with Alzheimers having a debate over abortion.
there are a lot of reasons for us all to want oscar to be gone, but i think you may have identified the best one of them all
the gif with him doing that weird tongue thing, and the gif of him running into the locker room are up there too
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I hope Miami gets put on crippling probation
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I want the oscar era to be over right now if only so we can all have a different conversation. It's like a group of people with Alzheimers having a debate over abortion.
analogy home run right there.
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Part of me wants Miami to win a lot and Angel to be super awesome.
Part of me wants the school to be wiped off the planet in an early season hurricane this year.
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if it wasn't miami, it would have been somewhere else. angel just didn't have what it takes to be a ksu wildcat.
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I want the oscar era to be over right now if only so we can all have a different conversation. It's like a group of people with Alzheimers having a debate over abortion.
Wow! :thumbs:
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"frank was (or was going to be) fired" sounds a lot like the opposite version of "half the team was leaving". JMHO.
I mean clearly he and Currie weren't buddies and he may have had a few difficulties, but Frank was a long, long way from being fired at K-State.
agree to disagree because i'm pretty sure that he would not have been allowed to continue to coach at kstate would he have wanted that. water under the bridge though and sorry for bringing it up. go cats.
cool. ftb
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The picture of Angel is incredibly meh compared to the fact that we hired oscar Weber and he's still our coach.
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Part of me wants Miami to win a lot and Angel to be super awesome.
Part of me wants the school to be wiped off the planet in an early season hurricane this year.
They're going to be terrible. They lost everything from last season and they haven't recruited well the past two seasons other than Larkin.
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Part of me wants Miami to win a lot and Angel to be super awesome.
Part of me wants the school to be wiped off the planet in an early season hurricane this year.
They're going to be terrible. They lost everything from last season and they haven't recruited well the past two seasons other than Larkin.
Hmmm. This seems like an unhappy medium between my two wants. I don't know how I would feel about this.
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The picture of Angel is incredibly meh compared to the fact that we hired oscar Weber and he's still our coach.
This is a great post
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angel is probably the last latino player we'll ever have. :embarrassed:
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angel is probably the last latino player we'll ever have. :embarrassed:
This might come acrossed :opcat: but what ethnicity is shawn meyer? :surprised:
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who the hell is shawn meyer
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who the hell is shawn meyer
Walk-on for the basketball team.
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Couldn't care less about our players ethnicity just like I couldn't care less about their possible character issues, criminal record, or grades.
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Couldn't care less about our players ethnicity just like I couldn't care less about their possible character issues, criminal record, or grades.
i'd rather have a team of latinos than a team of whites, but whatever makes you happy cns kkkasey
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It's only fair
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
:lol:
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
:lol:
Oh, luke! You precious bastard.
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crap..
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Lol
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
Link the article that said he got the waiver Luke.
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
Link the article that said he got the waiver Luke.
I'm so confused :dunno:
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
Link the article that said he got the waiver Luke.
I'm so confused :dunno:
You said you read an article, I'd like to read it too. Can you tell me where to find it?
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so, I just read an article that says Angel won't have to sit out a year. The NCAA waived the rule off. Is this new news?
Link the article that said he got the waiver Luke.
I'm so confused :dunno:
You said you read an article, I'd like to read it too. Can you tell me where to find it?
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9234290/angel-rodriguez-transfers-miami-hurricanes-kansas-state-wildcats (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/story/_/id/9234290/angel-rodriguez-transfers-miami-hurricanes-kansas-state-wildcats)
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you know what they always say, when the going gets financially tough, just transfer to miami or take the south carolina job
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how would he get a hardship waiver?
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how would he get a hardship waiver?
Going to need a family illness to have a chance
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Angel likes kansas state as much as everyone else.
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how would he get a hardship waiver?
art hasn't chosen to share his family's fortunes and misfortunes with the public, which means they don't exist and the ncaa is a joke if they give him a waiver.
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The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.
HIPAA bruh
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The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.
HIPAA bruh
i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.
also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
Family Hardship Waivers
Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.
When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:
Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.
These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.
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the ncaa also added a distance req of 100 miles from the family member in question. Coral Gables is much closer to San Juan but still almost 10x the limit.
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the ncaa also added a distance req of 100 miles from the family member in question. Coral Gables is much closer to San Juan but still almost 10x the limit.
Maybe it doesn't include water. I also don't think it should include air. Like if Angel's sick family member lived on a space station it should just be within 100 miles of the nearest launch pad. 100 miles of dry land excluding water distance or vertical air.
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the ncaa also added a distance req of 100 miles from the family member in question. Coral Gables is much closer to San Juan but still almost 10x the limit.
Maybe it doesn't include water. I also don't think it should include air. Like if Angel's sick family member lived on a space station it should just be within 100 miles of the nearest launch pad. 100 miles of dry land excluding water distance or vertical air.
also Miami's probably the CLOSEST school to PR.
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The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.
HIPAA bruh
i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.
also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
Family Hardship Waivers
Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.
When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:
Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.
These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.
Not sure where you found that BS but this is directly from ESPN.
NCAA approves half of all hardship waivers
July, 13, 2012
7/13/12
3:45
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By Eamonn Brennan | ESPN.com
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One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."
It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.
So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.
First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).
Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:
Overall (all Division I sports):
Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied
Basketball
Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied
Football
Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied
As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:
Basketball
Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied
How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above
Title IX also has privacy clauses built into it. There is an ongoing case at KSU involving a womens sport with this right now.
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The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.
HIPAA bruh
i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.
also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
Family Hardship Waivers
Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.
When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:
Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.
These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.
Not sure where you found that BS but this is directly from ESPN.
NCAA approves half of all hardship waivers
July, 13, 2012
7/13/12
3:45
PM ET
By Eamonn Brennan | ESPN.com
RECOMMEND7TWEET40COMMENTS0EMAILPRINT
One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."
It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.
So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.
First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).
Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:
Overall (all Division I sports):
Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied
Basketball
Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied
Football
Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied
As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:
Basketball
Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied
How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above
Title IX also has privacy clauses built into it. There is an ongoing case at KSU involving a womens sport with this right now.
Interesting read, eastcat. Any details you can share on the ongoing case?
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'sclams gets smack right in his smart mouth and sent to bed without his dinner. Jeez.
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The NCAA can't approve/deny him the wavier based on him releasing family medical info.
HIPAA bruh
i don't think you understand how HIPAA works.
also here's the family hardship waiver stuff
Family Hardship Waivers
Family hardship waivers are some of the most common and most controversial waivers decided by the NCAA. The reason it is so controversial is many student-athletes in football and basketball request these waivers, and whether one is granted or denied can seem inconsistent.
The key thing to remember is that a student-athlete is arguing that the best thing for the athlete and his or her family is to allow the athlete to play immediately and that the athlete needs to transfer to assist with an ill or injured family member. The NCAA measures this in three areas.
Nature of the injury or illness: The injury or illness should be life-threatening and involve an immediate family member (parent, legal guardian, or sibling). Waivers that are denied typically involve an extended family member (aunt, uncle, grandparent, etc.) unless that family member raised the student-athlete.
Student-athlete’s responsibilities related to the care of the family member: The more involved the student-athlete is in the day-to-day care for the family member, the more likely the waiver is to be granted.
Chronology of events: Waivers are more likely to be granted if something changed that prompted the student-athlete’s transfer like a diagnosis, the actual injury, or a worsening condition. Waivers are less likely to be granted if a family member has been ill or injured for a while, and nothing changed that require the student-athlete to transfer.
When requesting the waiver, the school must submit at least three sets of information, much of which will come from the student-athlete or his or her family:
Documentation from the doctor who diagnosed the family member;
Documentation from the doctor who is currently treating the family member; and
A letter from the student-athlete explaining the need for a waiver.
These documentation standards can be hefty. Medical documentation typically includes both a letter from the doctor and medical documents like charts, treatment orders, and prescriptions.
Not sure where you found that BS but this is directly from ESPN.
NCAA approves half of all hardship waivers
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One of the more confusing aspects of the NCAA's transfer policy -- a policy the organization is seeking to streamline, as our Dana O'Neil reported today -- is the hardship waiver. Simply put (by John Infante at the old Bylaw Blog), a hardship waiver is "for student-athletes who are compelled to transfer because of financial hardship, or an injury or illness to the student-athlete or a member of their family."
It feels like we've seen more and more of these hardship requests in recent seasons; it is not at all infrequent to hear news of a player wishing to transfer closer to home to be near a sick relative. For example, on Thursday, the NCAA denied Seton Hall transfer Sterling Gibbs' hardship waiver request. Gibbs had hoped to be eligible at Seton Hall as early as this season, citing the health of a family member as his primary reason for the move.
So, in the wake of Mark Emmert's discussion of transfers on this week's Outside the Lines, I thought it might be pertinent to a) see exactly how often the NCAA approves or denies hardship waiver requests and b) clarify how the NCAA actually decides such cases.
First, the numbers. What follows are the overall numbers for all hardship waiver requests -- including, but not limited to, requests related to the health of a family member -- in Division I athletics over the past five seasons (April 2007-April 2012).
Graduate transfer requests are fairly straightforward: If a player has graduated with eligibility and wishes to pursue a final year at a school that offers a post-graduate program not offered by his former school, the NCAA almost always approves the status. But undergraduate hardship requests are met with much more resistance:
Overall (all Division I sports):
Graduate student transfer waivers (past five years):
184 approved
20 approved with conditions
17 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers (past five years):
288 approved
19 approved with conditions
324 denied
Basketball
Graduate student transfer waivers:
36 approved
1 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers:
47 approved
47 denied
Football
Graduate student transfer waivers:
81 approved
3 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers:
85 approved
86 denied
As you can see, the NCAA denies about half of all undergraduate hardship waiver requests, both in basketball and in football. Below are the basketball numbers from April 2011-April 2012 alone:
Basketball
Graduate student transfer waivers (2011-12):
4 approved
1 denied
Undergraduate transfer waivers (2011-12):
15 approved
17 denied
How many of those are related to the health of a family member? Unfortunately, we don't know: NCAA spokesman Cameron Schuh said the organization doesn't track or break down those types of requests within its hardship waiver data. The numbers above refer to all hardship requests, which can also include injury and financial hardship, as above
Title IX also has privacy clauses built into it. There is an ongoing case at KSU involving a womens sport with this right now.
eastcat, next time can you quote something pertinent to the discussion or just stfu son because you're dumbass is showing. otherwise we can just fight, i'm good w/ that too. i'm sure i can squeeze you into my training scheds.
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'sclams gets smack right in his smart mouth and sent to bed without his dinner. Jeez.
i just responded w/ threats of violence :cheers:
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Having a smart mouth and violent extremities is an elite combo.
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+ MMA training but even though i partially torn my patellar i don't care so i guess add that i'm also reckless
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Maybe Obamacare will help us and force Angel to sit for a year.
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So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?
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So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?
I knew, if given enough time, you would come up with a classic burn.
Also, you forgot your ISU'ey trademark racist descriptor.
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So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?
I knew, if given enough time, you would come up with a classic burn.
Also, you forgot your ISU'ey trademark racist descriptor.
It took him 549 post to finally have a subpar one. "Grats, clone.
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So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?
This is a classic case of why posters should pick their spots. This dude has thrown so much crap against the wall in hopes of something sticking that this decent post didn't solicit the response it would have gotten from nearly any other non-KSU poster.
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So can angel can apply for a hardship waiver because Weber was his coach?
This is a classic case of why posters should pick their spots. This dude has thrown so much crap against the wall in hopes of something sticking that this decent post didn't solicit the response it would have gotten from nearly any other non-KSU poster.
White noise