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Title: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Cartierfor3 on April 07, 2013, 10:11:42 PM
KevinBoughton
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 JUST IN:  Plane heading to MHK from Tulsa, OK crashed after takeoff. FAA confirms one dead. Plane registered to MHK doctor... Stay tuned

Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 07, 2013, 10:13:00 PM
ugh
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: 420seriouscat69 on April 07, 2013, 10:13:16 PM
 :frown: I've had to deal with a lot of death today. :frown:
Title: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: puniraptor on April 07, 2013, 10:13:35 PM
Man, tough weekend for the happiest place on earth :(
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: 'taterblast on April 07, 2013, 10:27:06 PM
Dr. Ronald Marshall

.... same guy whose depressed son freaking jumped out of that plane a few years ago while dr. marshall was flying it. wow...
Title: Re: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: michigancat on April 07, 2013, 10:36:32 PM
:frown: I've had to deal with a lot of death today. :frown:

oh, brother
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: TheHamburglar on April 07, 2013, 10:46:09 PM
 :horrorsurprise:  The crash was 4 miles away from my house.  Tulsa news now saying multiple deaths.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Bloodfart on April 07, 2013, 10:52:47 PM
Queue Okcat in 4,3,2,
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: j-von on April 07, 2013, 11:17:11 PM
One news source says a "similar" plane was registered to Dr. Ronald Marshall who works as an OBGYN here in Manhattan.

Also, this from wabash station:

"He had a terrible accident where he was flying his depressed son home and his son just stood up and jumped out of the plane- no chute or anything. He had the hardest time landing the plane he said. Hopefully him and his son are having a blessed reunion now."

 :sdeek:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: mocat on April 07, 2013, 11:41:36 PM
Good lord that's awful
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: MakeItRain on April 07, 2013, 11:50:46 PM
Queue Okcat in 4,3,2,

I think you mean cue. I've only heard queue used by Brits to mean a line of people.

Also I think okcat has made like 2 dead jokes on this site and hasn't made one since Dylan Meier died 3 years ago.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 08, 2013, 01:05:31 AM
Queue Okcat in 4,3,2,

I think you mean cue. I've only heard queue used by Brits to mean a line of people.

Also I think okcat has made like 2 dead jokes on this site and hasn't made one since Dylan Meier died 3 years ago.

Bill Stewart
Title: Re: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: 8manpick on April 08, 2013, 06:56:27 AM
Queue Okcat in 4,3,2,

I think you mean cue. I've only heard queue used by Brits to mean a line of people.

Also I think okcat has made like 2 dead jokes on this site and hasn't made one since Dylan Meier died 3 years ago.

Bill Stewart
That Arkansas guy
Title: Re: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Rams on April 08, 2013, 08:56:54 AM
Queue Okcat in 4,3,2,

I think you mean cue. I've only heard queue used by Brits to mean a line of people.

Also I think okcat has made like 2 dead jokes on this site and hasn't made one since Dylan Meier died 3 years ago.
yeah you haven't been paying attention
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: OK_Cat on April 08, 2013, 10:15:19 AM
dumbasses
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: WillieWatanabe on April 08, 2013, 10:52:11 AM
Now another death confirmed. Chris Gruber from KSU. :frown:

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Plane-Crashes-Into-House-201870051.html?%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Dr Rick Daris on April 08, 2013, 10:57:59 AM
sad  :frown:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 08, 2013, 11:29:39 AM
sad  :frown:
very.. he was a good guy
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2013, 12:21:49 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Cire on April 08, 2013, 12:34:41 PM
Man, we're becoming the Oklahoma State of losing emaws in plane crashes.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Rams on April 08, 2013, 01:50:06 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2013, 02:19:17 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.
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Post by: ChiComCat on April 08, 2013, 03:20:24 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.

People don't use seatbelts.  If people are too lazy with that level of ease/potential consequence, its not hard for me to imagine pilots doing something stupid.
Title: Re: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Rams on April 08, 2013, 03:20:27 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.
I am a private pilot and I've been around pilots my entire life...including a few that have died in plane crashes. most start cutting corners because they get a bunch of logged hours and start thinking that nothing will ever happen to them. basically the same reason you go from driving the speed limit with your hands at 10 and 2 to driving after you've probably had 1 too many and/or texting and driving.
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Post by: 'taterblast on April 08, 2013, 03:24:06 PM
i just... can't imagine that few seconds where you know you're going down. sheesh.
Title: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 08, 2013, 03:48:32 PM
Busy day to write for The Mercury. :frown:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Pett on April 08, 2013, 03:52:32 PM
Now another death confirmed. Chris Gruber from KSU. :frown:

http://www.wibw.com/home/headlines/Plane-Crashes-Into-House-201870051.html?%3F%3F%3F%3F%3F

Big time EMAW. Very devastating news. T's & P's to the Marshall and Gruber families
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: p1k3 on April 08, 2013, 03:54:12 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?

I tried to google/read about this to find closure for the Bramlage crash. Still not over it  :frown:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: MakeItRain on April 08, 2013, 04:03:46 PM
i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.

People don't use seatbelts.  If people are too lazy with that level of ease/potential consequence, its not hard for me to imagine pilots doing something stupid.

i know that there are infinitely more fatal car crashes than plane, but it seems like i keep hearing about small, personal planes going down. is having a plane worth the risk?
you keep hearing about them because you hear about every single one of them and they are big news when they happen...unlike car crashes.

also 99% of all plane crashes are preventable and due to some sort of pilot error.  so if you're going to cut corners and take risks, then no, having a plane definitely isn't worth the risk.

I need a pilot to tell me what circumstances would persuade you to cut corners or take risks when the potential circumstances are so grave.
I am a private pilot and I've been around pilots my entire life...including a few that have died in plane crashes. most start cutting corners because they get a bunch of logged hours and start thinking that nothing will ever happen to them. basically the same reason you go from driving the speed limit with your hands at 10 and 2 to driving after you've probably had 1 too many and/or texting and driving.

Although many many many more people die in auto accidents, the mortality rate for these accidents are not close. I mean getting in an auto accident because you did something stupid and living is pretty likely, just so not true for airplanes. I mean most people flying are (should be) smarter and more logical than the average crap for brains in their '02 Cavalier.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Rams on April 08, 2013, 05:34:13 PM
Although many many many more people die in auto accidents, the mortality rate for these accidents are not close. I mean getting in an auto accident because you did something stupid and living is pretty likely, just so not true for airplanes. I mean most people flying are (should be) smarter and more logical than the average crap for brains in their '02 Cavalier.
should be?  absolutely.  are they?  I think you'd be surprised.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 08, 2013, 05:58:04 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: kim carnes on April 08, 2013, 06:19:15 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

What in the rough ridin' mother of eff was that pilot doing? 
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Post by: Johnny Wichita on April 08, 2013, 06:27:52 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.

Holy crap. 
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Pete on April 08, 2013, 09:50:07 PM
Ya, eff little planes with hobby pilots.  No thank you.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Demo158 on April 08, 2013, 10:19:47 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.
That pilot should've balked that takeoff as soon as he was struggling to get off the runway! He had to have known that he he didn't have near enough altitude to clear those trees way before he got to them. Another example of over-confidence and stupidity. He's damn lucky they all survived, hopefully he learns from it :facepalm:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Rams on April 09, 2013, 01:04:51 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDu0jYiz-v8

That's been one of the videos on the youtube homepage for a few days now. Pretty terrifying, but the raw human emotion following them realizing they survived is incredible.
That pilot should've balked that takeoff as soon as he was struggling to get off the runway! He had to have known that he he didn't have near enough altitude to clear those trees way before he got to them. Another example of over-confidence and stupidity. He's damn lucky they all survived, hopefully he learns from it :facepalm:
had to be a simple combination of overweight and thin air, right?  but that looked like some sort of paid tour flight so he should know that plane like the back of his hand and obviously he's used to taking off at high altitudes.  I mean surely he wasn't trying to do something really stupid like take off with the wind.  just very strange.
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Post by: kslim on April 09, 2013, 01:12:03 PM
no rough ridin' way am i getting in a plane that will be taking off on basically a two track road
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 09, 2013, 01:46:32 PM
read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Rams on April 09, 2013, 02:15:17 PM
read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.
yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: DOOM_Catz on April 09, 2013, 03:20:46 PM
If you are at all inclined I would encourage you to visit www.found.k-state.edu/memorials/gruber and make a contribution to the memorial fund benefiting the College of Veterinary Medicine. A gift of any size would make a difference.
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Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 09, 2013, 03:35:47 PM
read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.
yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?
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Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2013, 03:57:33 PM
read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.
yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?

I haven't seen what kind of plane he was flying (could have been in an article I missed or didn't read) but a goose hitting the prop of a 172 or something similar could eff it up. I've been in some small planes that have done some weird crap that I wasn't really aware enough to be scared of at the time. I've been in a 172 that was doing about zero knots into a strong head wind. My parents had a Beech Bonanza for most of my childhood and we would fly it all over the midwest. My grandfather has had to make emergency landings on middle of nowhere country roads when he lost power, had the floor tore out of his plane hitting trees unable to make altitude in time, and many similar brushes with catastrophe. It's scary as crap now thinking back. I think I would be very uncomfortable in one today.
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Post by: pissclams on April 09, 2013, 04:58:08 PM
read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.
yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?
the force of impact from a 10lb bird hitting a plane moving at 170mph equals the same amount of energy of a 220lb weight dropped from a height of 50 feet.  chingon - keep me honest here.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: The Tonya Harding of Twitter Users Creep on April 09, 2013, 05:05:13 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike

 :horrorsurprise:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: EMAWmeister on April 09, 2013, 05:09:49 PM
Deer in landing gear  :sdeek:
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Shacks on April 09, 2013, 05:13:35 PM
no rough ridin' way am i getting in a plane that will be taking off on basically a two track road

Me too, that's some Indiana Jones crap
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: CHONGS on April 09, 2013, 05:17:53 PM
read something about the air density making it difficult for that plane to get lift. Idk, seems like it still could have been prevented.

And I heard someone talking about the MHK crash. Sounds like they hit a goose. I feel like that happens a lot.
yeah taking off in thin mountain air when he was probably overweight was really rough ridin' dumb and preventable.  hitting a goose, if that's what happened, was just one of those 1% freak accidents that's not really preventable.  I've never heard of another small aircraft going down from a bird strike.  that's what took down the us airways plane that ditched in the hudson a few years ago, but it's pretty rare.

How does the bird take down a plane? Getting stuck in the turbine thing?
the force of impact from a 10lb bird hitting a plane moving at 170mph equals the same amount of energy of a 220lb weight dropped from a height of 50 feet.  chingon - keep me honest here.
kinetic energy of 10 lb bird @ 170 mph = 13.1 kJ
kinetic energy of 220 lb weight after falling 50 ft  = 13.8 kJ

so the energies are close.

impact force would depend on what happened after the collision (force =  dp/dt)
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: Johnny Wichita on April 09, 2013, 05:39:55 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bird_strike

 :horrorsurprise:

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The majority of bird strikes (65%) cause little damage to the aircraft;[5] however, the collision is usually fatal to the bird.


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Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: steve dave on April 09, 2013, 05:41:09 PM
lol
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: yoga-like_abana on April 11, 2013, 11:18:50 PM
A fund has been established at Sunflower Bank, and checks can be made payable to Kai Gruber (and in Memo Line put Gruber Family Benefit Fund). Checks can be mailed directly to Kai or directly to Sunflower Bank at 2070 S. Ohio Street, Salina, KS 67401
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 12, 2013, 11:00:41 AM
:frown:
Title: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: ChiComCat on April 12, 2013, 11:33:06 AM
Birds hit a Great Lakes plane coming to land at MHK years ago. Giant bloody holes in aircraft with feathers sticking out.  Blew my mind when I first saw it.  Amazing that more planes don't go down from them.
Title: Re: MHK bound plane crash
Post by: SkinnyBenny on April 13, 2013, 08:59:51 PM
Great Lakes, LOL