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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: CHONGS on March 28, 2013, 10:12:05 PM
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whew lots of info here...ok the top is a box whisker chart which shows the distribution of offensive and defensive stats (conference games only) for the conference. This is more info than just the median off and def for each year. So the first set of box and whiskers (green and red) give an idea for the variation of the offensive efficiencies (green) and defensive efficiencies (red) for Big 12 teams in 2006. The white bar is the mean. The red and green dots represent where KSU falls in that distribution. The open circles are outliers for the data set corresponding to that year.
The lower plot gives a feeling of how above or below average the team was for each year. The vertical value is a difference between the off efficiency and def efficiency (normalized to the average). So you want a higher %. It interesting to clearly see the good and bad years for KSU (the NIT year of 2009 for example).
What brought to this kind of figure is I was thinking about a statement I previously made about how this KSU defense was the worst in the past 8 years. Well "worse" compared to what? I knew that while the "raw" numbers said this, the "raw" numbers are also somewhat meaningless without knowing what the "background" noise might be. In reality, I would say that when compared to the average defenses/offenses across the conference (and throwing out ooc games which wildly vary in strength from year to year) this was not as bad defensively as the "raw" numbers state. While clearly not as good as previous years when our defense was ~ std dev below the mean, it was not worse than average, and in fact 2009 was likely a lot worse (which was a clear outlier in terms of Frank's defenses).
for comparison's sake here is KU (the dominant team in the Big 12):
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they were realllly good in 2007 and 2008.
If anyone has interest in other Big 12 teams let me know and I will make a similar figure.
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ou, isu and a&m. just the blue plot.
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ain't nobody got time for dat
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ou, isu and a&m. just the blue plot.
purple for kstate, blue for ku.
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you'll get both plots!
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When my mom dies, she told me I can have my gam gam's funeral plot. It was worth $1,689 in 2006.
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those are really interesting, chingon. hoiball!
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Is it appropriate to discuss what the chart shapes look like to me, like a Rorschach test? Or is that offensive to Chingon who put some work into making them? :confused:
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Is it appropriate to discuss what the chart shapes look like to me, like a Rorschach test? Or is that offensive to Chingon who put some work into making them? :confused:
Go for it. This is all for fun with friends.
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Good stuff. Neither chart surprises me.
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chingon, do you ever wish you had done statistics in college? sometimes I do.
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so this year's defense was just the second worst in eight years. Sweet. How hard would it be to do Illinois?
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Remember that one year when aTm was good? Oh yeah, looks like it 2007.
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so this year's defense was just the second worst in eight years. Sweet. How hard would it be to do Illinois?
not very, prob will do tonight some time (I was planning on it).
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so this year's defense was just the second worst in eight years. Sweet. How hard would it be to do Illinois?
Third-worst in 8 years on these normalized charts (unless I'm misreading them).
Fascinating stuff Chingon!
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ok I here it is:
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hmm.....
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The bass boat Weber goes fishing in on Sundays.
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The fish that Weber shot the stomach out of with his shotgun because it wouldn't jump on his hook.
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Weber sending his wife to swim out to get the fish out of the water since he couldn't reach it with his net.
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Weber snoring with his arm over the edge of the mattress as his wife makes fish sandwiches in the kitchen.
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so am I reading the Illinois chart right when I say that it looks like a stock market crash?
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Wow, Frank's offense vs. oscar's last few years at Illinois.
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I'd kind of like to see Wisconsin, Indiana and Michigan State, too. since you've already started the Big Ten.
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ok I here it is:
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hmm.....
Those offenses :frown:
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Now i understand the oscar Weber hate
:thumbs:Good job Chingy