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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on March 19, 2013, 09:02:47 AM
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As most expected, the Cats drew a 4 seed, but they also drew the recently added play in game between 13 seeds, supposedly 2 of the last at large picks in the field. Last year as a 12 seed South Florida won their 1st round game and then upset 5 seed Temple. 2 years ago 11 seed VCU won the first round game, upset Georgetown, and then made the Final 4. Hopefully the Cats aren't the 3rd upset victim in 3 years.
As two of the last teams selected, its no surprise the Cats' possible opponents are similarly ranked; Boise State finished 44 in the RPI while La Salle finished 46 while BSU was 49 in kenpom with La Salle 57. Boise State played in the tougher Mountain West conference and finished with a SOS of 53, going 4-7 against Top 50 RPI teams and 8-8 against the Top 100. La Salle finished with an SOS of 77, going 2-4 vs the Top 50 and 6-8 vs the Top 100. Both teams had moments where they received votes in both the AP and Coaches polls during the season. Boise State featured a pair of 2nd team All Mountain West players in guards Anthony Drmic and Derrick Marks while La Salle had A-10 1st team Ramon Gallaway and 2nd team Tyreek Duren.
Boise State
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The 3 charts show the tempo free stats for Boise State for the season, Mountain West games, and their games vs Top 100 kenpom teams (14 games, they went 7-7). They play at fairly high pace, and played their fastest against the Top 100. Notably they have poor post defense as evidenced by their lack of blocks and high 2PT% agaisnt them, but they are also a very good 3PT shooting team and rely on the 3 a lot; those numbers are very similar to ours. They also allow their opponents to shoot a high amount of 3s. Also, they rely more on playmaking, especially by their two lead guards. They are a very consistent defensive rebounding team, but their defense slips quite a bit against better competition.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg29.imageshack.us%2Fimg29%2F3305%2Fboisestateplayers.png&hash=8a76fb032aabf7935dced704c220b59ca64dcd06)
I put together per 100 possession charts to better show actual production while on the floor, but also added shooting charts. The top left chart shows the starters (bold) in addition to experience and height. Marks and Drmic are their key players with a solid pair of posts (Watkins and Buckner) and a drive way shooter (Eloriagga).
La Salle
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La Salle has some similar metrics, but they slip substantially on offense against tougher teams. They rely much more on a defense that forces TOs and are a very poor defensive rebounding team. Their 2PT% defense slips in conference play, and offensively while they rely on the 3 at a similar rate to Boise, they also feature a much higher assist rate.
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Like Boise, La Salle is led by a pair of perimeter players with a nice complimentary player inside (Wright). Its notable that one of their better post players, Steve Zack, has been out for the last several weeks with a foot injury.
I expect to play Boise State. Boise State is the better rebounding team and La Salle really slips shooting the ball against better competition. Plus, if Zack is still out, that will substantially hurt La Salle's interior defense and rebounding. Of course, either team could get hot from 3, and in that case La Salle may have the advantage because opponents attempt a lot fewer 3s against them. Either opponent would provide a nice challenge for the Cats, but I would expect a comfortable win against either one.
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Buckner won't play, infected tooth. Can't make this stuff up people.
ETA: Actually now they are saying he will play.
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Buckner won't play, infected tooth. Can't make this stuff up people.
I didn't see that, that's a big loss for them.
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Buckner won't play, infected tooth. Can't make this stuff up people.
I didn't see that, that's a big loss for them.
See my edit.
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#teamdrysockets
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TLDNR but I'm sure its fantastic, _FAN.
Will read whenever I have time.
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^^^^^ That's rough ridin' funny :lol: Kelly Stewart Creep!
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I just noticed that 7 of our 9 worst offensive rebounding(OR%) games have resulted in losses. :sdeek:
Boise St. seems to be a good rebounding team, could that be trouble for us?
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I think La Salle would probably give us the easier game, but I'll be pretty angry at oscar if he fails to beat either of these teams by double digits.
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So... The play is Boise -1.5, correct.
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I think La Salle would probably give us the easier game, but I'll be pretty angry at oscar if he fails to beat either of these teams by double digits.
As long as he wins you should just shut up about it.
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Thanks _Fan. Any thoughts on why the play-in winners have had such success? Is it because their opps have less time to prepare? Underestimate them? Random?
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Thanks _Fan. Any thoughts on why the play-in winners have had such success? Is it because their opps have less time to prepare? Underestimate them? Random?
Any D-1 hoops coach will tell you, "the toughest game in the tourney is the first game in the tourney".
Playing one greatly knocks the nerves off and gives the winner a bit of momentum heading into Rd 2.
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So if I glanced at those stats correctly - you're saying Boise State lives and dies by playing the lottery (AKA shooting from beyond the arc) ?
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
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playing the lottery (AKA shooting from beyond the arc)
:dubious:
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Thanks _Fan. Any thoughts on why the play-in winners have had such success? Is it because their opps have less time to prepare? Underestimate them? Random?
Any D-1 hoops coach will tell you, "the toughest game in the tourney is the first game in the tourney".
Playing one greatly knocks the nerves off and gives the winner a bit of momentum heading into Rd 2.
BS.
It's because we're drawing conclusions from a population of 3.
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So if I glanced at those stats correctly - you're saying Boise State lives and dies by playing the lottery (AKA shooting from beyond the arc) ?
Yes. The lottery applies more to defense than offense because you usually have more control of the quality of your offensive looks, but its still a bit of a lottery if you are shooting more than 40% of your attempts from behind the arc.
Allowing opponents to shoot 37% of their attempts as 3s also probably means they allow their opponents a lot of good attempts.
Thanks _Fan. Any thoughts on why the play-in winners have had such success? Is it because their opps have less time to prepare? Underestimate them? Random?
At this point its random because its such a small sample size. I do think winning a game can't hurt though for a 11/12/13 seeded team.
I just noticed that 7 of our 9 worst offensive rebounding(OR%) games have resulted in losses. :sdeek:
Boise St. seems to be a good rebounding team, could that be trouble for us?
I'm not overly concerned because we've rebounded well lately, but its definitely a concern for us, more of what we allow though. I think we'll be fine on the oboards against either team.
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Thanks _Fan. Any thoughts on why the play-in winners have had such success? Is it because their opps have less time to prepare? Underestimate them? Random?
Any D-1 hoops coach will tell you, "the toughest game in the tourney is the first game in the tourney".
Playing one greatly knocks the nerves off and gives the winner a bit of momentum heading into Rd 2.
BS.
It's because we're drawing conclusions from a population of 3.
There's NOTHING BS about it... Although its a small sample size, both my statements are true.
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I added a similar chart for K-State to allow for easier comparisons to both Boise and La Salle.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg5.imageshack.us%2Fimg5%2F2480%2Fkstatemetrics.png&hash=3c2b957a8ada7823a4552ca7ea82da812d0637d7)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg7%2F9756%2Fboisestatemetrics.png&hash=ce3e169d050198b9965201f317c2bca42620c17f)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg521%2F3025%2Flasallemetrics.png&hash=3049da326aa6ef3745323b58c9f4095749df4572)
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I don't understand how the Mountain West is a tougher conference than the A10. Butler, St. Louis, Xavier, Richmond, Temple, VCU compared to New Mexico, UNLV, SDSU and BSU. Idk seems about equal maybe the slight edge to the A10. I just don't get conference ratings sometimes.
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Angel is going to destroy whichever one of these teams we play.
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Comparative Scores!
LaSalle beat Delaware by 7, We beat Delaware by 3
LaSalle beat George Washington by 9 (road), 14 (home), We beat GW by 3
Boise State beat Texas Southern by 18, We be Texas Southern by 9
:ohno:
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Angel is going to destroy whichever one of these teams we play.
Yeah.
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Comparative Scores!
LaSalle beat Delaware by 7, We beat Delaware by 3
LaSalle beat George Washington by 9 (road), 14 (home), We beat GW by 3
Boise State beat Texas Southern by 18, We be Texas Southern by 9
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Pfft this was before we even had an offense.
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I was just curious what these 2 teams did away from home against conf foes. So both BSU and LaSalle played 8 road gms and 1 conf tourney game. Here is what they did=
LaSalle = 45.7% eFG and 0.99 ppp
Opp. = 51.5% eFG and 1.04 ppp
Boise = 47.1% eFG and 0.96 ppp
Opp = 52.5% eFG and 1.06 ppp
I do like that both of these teams were under 1.00 away from their home court
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Comparative Scores!
LaSalle beat Delaware by 7, We beat Delaware by 3
LaSalle beat George Washington by 9 (road), 14 (home), We beat GW by 3
Boise State beat Texas Southern by 18, We be Texas Southern by 9
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Pfft this was before we even had an offense.
The season really breaks down to 2 segments; BS and AS (before and after Shane became a starter) .
Weber was clear from the start that he was going to play small; but his original small 4 was Nino.
Nino started the first 9 games, including the losses to Michigan and Gonzaga. The Cats shot better than 33% from 3 in only 2 of those games. Nino did start two more games, but those were the 2 when Angel and Tay were both hurt and didn't play and Shane started also. Texas Southern was Shane's first start, and the Cats only shot 2-13 from 3. But the game after that was Florida and since then the Cats offense became the strong shooting team it is today, largely because Shane added that additional shooting threat that Nino didn't provide.
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And in our 4 games at Sprint Center, we played 3 good tourney teams who are a 1,3, 5 seed and then also Texas
Ksu = 45.7 eFG% and 1.04 ppp
Opp. = 43.4 eFG% and 0.97 ppp
We played pretty good defense against Fla, Tex, Osu and 1st half vs KU
The 1st half vs KU we were just awful on offense. The other 7 halves at Sprint = 1.11 ppp and 48.4 eFG
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Gottlieb says La Salle's guards are better than ours. :dunno:
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Gottlieb says La Salle's guards are better than ours. :dunno:
So after a successful season, Doug is a little butthurt, right?
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Gottlieb says La Salle's guards are better than ours. :dunno:
So after a successful season, Doug is a little butthurt, right?
I may have misspoke. Said they are "more athletic." I'll see if I can find the podcast from Petro today.
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That is just confirmation that Doug would have Franked Will.
Nothing to see here.
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Gottlieb says La Salle's guards are better than ours. :dunno:
So after a successful season, Doug is a little butthurt, right?
I may have misspoke. Said they are "more athletic." I'll see if I can find the podcast from Petro today.
One of our starting guards is Will Spradling, so...
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Gottlieb says La Salle's guards are better than ours. :dunno:
So after a successful season, Doug is a little butthurt, right?
I may have misspoke. Said they are "more athletic." I'll see if I can find the podcast from Petro today.
Yeah, he said more athletic. He didn't seem to think we'd have a problem with either and thought we'd have a great shot against Wiscy.
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Oh man.... WildWildCats v Wisky is basically Doug vs ESPN at this point.
We really need to do this for Doug.
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That is just confirmation that Doug would have Franked Will.
I think Doug would have been the Will whisperer.
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That is just confirmation that Doug would have Franked Will.
I think Doug would have been the Will whisperer.
Nah, I'm going to go with "would have Frank'd him."
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I was just curious what these 2 teams did away from home against conf foes. So both BSU and LaSalle played 8 road gms and 1 conf tourney game. Here is what they did=
LaSalle = 45.7% eFG and 0.99 ppp
Opp. = 51.5% eFG and 1.04 ppp
Boise = 47.1% eFG and 0.96 ppp
Opp = 52.5% eFG and 1.06 ppp
I do like that both of these teams were under 1.00 away from their home court
These stats really ease my angst. Not an earth shattering post, but very thankful we're in KC. A noon tip in some half-filled arena in San Jose just seems like a prime target for an upset.
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I was just curious what these 2 teams did away from home against conf foes. So both BSU and LaSalle played 8 road gms and 1 conf tourney game. Here is what they did=
LaSalle = 45.7% eFG and 0.99 ppp
Opp. = 51.5% eFG and 1.04 ppp
Boise = 47.1% eFG and 0.96 ppp
Opp = 52.5% eFG and 1.06 ppp
I do like that both of these teams were under 1.00 away from their home court
These stats really ease my angst. Not an earth shattering post, but very thankful we're in KC. A noon tip in some half-filled arena in San Jose just seems like a prime target for an upset.
Yes, playing in KC is a big help for this game and Wiscy. IMO.
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I was just curious what these 2 teams did away from home against conf foes. So both BSU and LaSalle played 8 road gms and 1 conf tourney game. Here is what they did=
LaSalle = 45.7% eFG and 0.99 ppp
Opp. = 51.5% eFG and 1.04 ppp
Boise = 47.1% eFG and 0.96 ppp
Opp = 52.5% eFG and 1.06 ppp
I do like that both of these teams were under 1.00 away from their home court
These stats really ease my angst. Not an earth shattering post, but very thankful we're in KC. A noon tip in some half-filled arena in San Jose just seems like a prime target for an upset.
Yes, playing in KC is a big help for this game and Wiscy. IMO.
The t-shirt phoggies will be cheering for Wisky. :dubious:
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
You sure about that? (http://freebracketchallenge.1.mayhem.cbssports.com/brackets/printable-bracket/0/a9c37cdd43416bbf14c845aedb4ac19816a071d21fa897fc?randkey=567751)
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Great stuff _FAN. As always your work here is truly appreciated.
Personally, I'd rather see LaSalle, but I think Boise will win. Lasalle don't rebound particularly well, and I'm not as worried about them getting hot from 3 and making the game closer than it should be. Either way we are much better than both of these teams and it should be a cakewalk.
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imagine if frank was as successful at franking shane as he wished to be. wow, what a dumbass.
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imagine if frank was as successful at franking shane as he wished to be. wow, what a dumbass.
Great post! :thumbs:
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Both these teams sound French. Whichever frog we get will lay down and stink.
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OT: how much has not knowing the KSUCats opponent on Friday damaged the available bbs'ing material over hur?
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A lot, IMO.
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can't we skip right on to wisconsin?
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on...wisconsin
:sdeek:
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on...wisconsin
:sdeek:
:horrorsurprise:
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OT: how much has not knowing the KSUCats opponent on Friday damaged the available bbs'ing material over hur?
Best BBS'n Case would be getting to the second weekend. Gives us just under a week to do it right.
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wake me up when we play a team that's worth a crap (sweet sixteen) :zzz:
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
Only if your first game is against LaSalle. There you are heavy favorites. Against BSU you are the Vegas upset special.
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
Only if your first game is against LaSalle. There you are heavy favorites. Against BSU you are the Vegas upset special.
i quoted your post because i think it's important that we note the word "upset" that you used in it.
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Way more concerned with La Salle than I am Kansas State.
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Way more concerned with La Salle than I am Kansas State.
You should be. Why concern yourself with a team you have absolutely no chance of beating no matter what? Just root for the Broncos against La Salle and pretend like the ass kicking your team is lined up for on Friday doesn't even exist.
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Way more concerned with La Salle than I am Kansas State.
You should be. Why concern yourself with a team you have absolutely no chance of beating no matter what? Just root for the Broncos against La Salle and pretend like the ass kicking your team is lined up for on Friday doesn't even exist.
Well, that's one way to look at it. But more of the long the line of "K-State is complete dog crap, so if we beat La Salle we'll have no problem beating K-State....".
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
You sure about that? (http://freebracketchallenge.1.mayhem.cbssports.com/brackets/printable-bracket/0/a9c37cdd43416bbf14c845aedb4ac19816a071d21fa897fc?randkey=567751)
that's what he said on soren yesterday. :dunno: dnr
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Way more concerned with La Salle than I am Kansas State.
You should be. Why concern yourself with a team you have absolutely no chance of beating no matter what? Just root for the Broncos against La Salle and pretend like the ass kicking your team is lined up for on Friday doesn't even exist.
Well, that's one way to look at it. But more of the long the line of "K-State is complete dog crap, so if we beat La Salle we'll have no problem beating K-State....".
Just To Make Sure You Realize We Are Not Talking About Roping Cattle, Right?
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
Only if your first game is against LaSalle. There you are heavy favorites. Against BSU you are the Vegas upset special.
i quoted your post because i think it's important that we note the word "upset" that you used in it.
So true. The lower seeded team is not supposed to be favored to win, this when they do, it is called an upset. The other meaning will be how you feel when you don't make it past your first game and are left crying with an 0-1 tournament record for 2013.
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NOT WORRIED
:zzz:
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
Only if your first game is against LaSalle. There you are heavy favorites. Against BSU you are the Vegas upset special.
i quoted your post because i think it's important that we note the word "upset" that you used in it.
So true. The lower seeded team is not supposed to be favored to win, this when they do, it is called an upset. The other meaning will be how you feel when you don't make it past your first game and are left crying with an 0-1 tournament record for 2013.
just learn your role, downgrade.
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
You sure about that? (http://freebracketchallenge.1.mayhem.cbssports.com/brackets/printable-bracket/0/a9c37cdd43416bbf14c845aedb4ac19816a071d21fa897fc?randkey=567751)
that's what he said on soren yesterday. :dunno: dnr
Gottlieb's official CBS bracket has Wisky beating us.
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
You sure about that? (http://freebracketchallenge.1.mayhem.cbssports.com/brackets/printable-bracket/0/a9c37cdd43416bbf14c845aedb4ac19816a071d21fa897fc?randkey=567751)
that's what he said on soren yesterday. :dunno: dnr
Gottlieb's official CBS bracket has Wisky beating us.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-7KZx-WiflKc%2FUD9zBg8a0gI%2FAAAAAAAAAYY%2Fg1hTZfX4WTM%2Fs1600%2FGilbert-Gottfried.jpg&hash=22f646a50043f1b166d8d08742e89cf3cdd356b1)
Here is him picking KU over you guys too.
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we all new this but gottlieb loves us and says sweet 16.
You sure about that? (http://freebracketchallenge.1.mayhem.cbssports.com/brackets/printable-bracket/0/a9c37cdd43416bbf14c845aedb4ac19816a071d21fa897fc?randkey=567751)
that's what he said on soren yesterday. :dunno: dnr
Gottlieb's official CBS bracket has Wisky beating us.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-7KZx-WiflKc%2FUD9zBg8a0gI%2FAAAAAAAAAYY%2Fg1hTZfX4WTM%2Fs1600%2FGilbert-Gottfried.jpg&hash=22f646a50043f1b166d8d08742e89cf3cdd356b1)
Here is him picking KU over you guys too.
what on earth
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Gottlieb's official CBS bracket has Wisky beating us.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2F4.bp.blogspot.com%2F-7KZx-WiflKc%2FUD9zBg8a0gI%2FAAAAAAAAAYY%2Fg1hTZfX4WTM%2Fs1600%2FGilbert-Gottfried.jpg&hash=22f646a50043f1b166d8d08742e89cf3cdd356b1)
Here is him picking KU over you guys too.
what on earth
Gilbert Gottlieb picks the Jayhawks... :bait:
You got a problem with that?
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I appreciate others schools who try a little at hobby sports
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Which one of LIU and JMS is LaSalle?
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anyone know what channel this crap shoot is going to be on? is it even on TV? wouldn't be surprised
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They are playing it in black and white on trutv
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I. don't. know. who. to. cheer. against.
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so far, all my play in games have lost, and i picked lasalle to win. looking good for bosie.
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If you want an easier opponent, cheer for LaSalle. If that doesn't work, root for 2 overtimes
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Both of these teams suck.
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LaSalle :ohno:
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These teams are tiny. We should crush either one.
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Our length is gonna kill these guys and that's not saying much
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That one guy making the passes has a homeless person beard.
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:zzz:
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I wish I could watch this game. Stuck at work, Is it pud?
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Gip and JO are going to feast on these clowns. Angel is going to slice them to pieces.
:dance:
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I wish I could watch this game. Stuck at work, Is it pud?
See for yourself: http://www.ncaa.com/march-madness-live/?gameId=104&sessionToken=864VgPsKcvdFz56SwiOg58qgr
unless you can't use computers at your job. that would suck
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I wish I could watch this game. Stuck at work, Is it pud?
Lasalle has a player with a homeless person's beard.
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Southwell should go for 16-ish easy.
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Boise as a team is pretty damn ugly. #2 is from Illinois and was too terrible for any team in the Midwest to even think about offering so he went to Idaho.
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That guy with the dreads and the headband over it :barf:
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These teams rough ridin' suck, especially Boise
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Galloway is going to give us some trouble on both ends. LaSalle is more athletic than we are. And that guy that looks like O Dog from Menace to Society is pretty good.
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Neither team cares much to play defense.
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Boise as a team is pretty damn ugly. #2 is from Illinois and was too terrible for any team in the Midwest to even think about offering so he went to Idaho.
2 looks like Boise's best by far- no one else can get a shot
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Galloway is going to give us some trouble on both ends. LaSalle is more athletic than we are.
:lol:
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Boise as a team is pretty damn ugly. #2 is from Illinois and was too terrible for any team in the Midwest to even think about offering so he went to Idaho.
2 looks like Boise's best by far- no one else can get a shot
That pretty much says it all.
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Someone post a picture of a sleeping kitten.
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Galloway is going to give us some trouble on both ends. LaSalle is more athletic than we are. And that guy that looks like O Dog from Menace to Society is pretty good.
lol at O Dog reference
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I hope JO's back is fine, because he'll block about 15 shots if these La Salle guards try to drive and score over him.
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I think we are going to foul the crap out of LaSalle. Will be tough to keep them infront of us.
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Good grief catzacker. Get ahold of yourself.
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watkins from boyse looks pretty damn pud
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I think we are going to foul the crap out of LaSalle. Will be tough to keep them infront of us.
They have nice players, but Marcus Smart and Markel Brown more than prepared us for a team like them.
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Boise's male cheerleaders look dorky, even for male cheerleaders.
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
La 28 1.25 64.8% 14.3% 15.4% 3.7%
Boi 28 0.97 57.1% 32.2% 33.3% 23.8%
Very little defense played. As expected, La Salle forced TOs, but you can get shots on them. Boise played terrible defense.
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These teams are way shittier than I thought they'd be
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zacker has entered "trying too hard" territory now. Pump the brakes a bit bro.
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I think we are going to foul the crap out of LaSalle. Will be tough to keep them infront of us.
They have nice players, but Marcus Smart and Markel Brown more than prepared us for a team like them.
Maybe it's boise, but lasalle's duo look "quicker" than osu's (note-not bigger, stronger, better).
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That pace is really slow. Seemed like LaSalle ran enough to get that higher.
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zacker has entered "trying too hard" territory now. Pump the brakes a bit bro.
meh. we should beat lasalle, but they will give us some problems. if we don't handle them well and have a bad night offensively, then we'll get beat. i mean, it's the tournament, these are good teams, crap happens.
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I think we are going to foul the crap out of LaSalle. Will be tough to keep them infront of us.
They have nice players, but Marcus Smart and Markel Brown more than prepared us for a team like them.
Maybe it's boise, but lasalle's duo look "quicker" than osu's (note-not bigger, stronger, better).
It's Boise.
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This game is validating my belief that most West Coast teams struggle to play D and will exit quickly in the tourney.
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Will be fun to North Texas LaSalle, 2010 style
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I think we are going to foul the crap out of LaSalle. Will be tough to keep them infront of us.
They have nice players, but Marcus Smart and Markel Brown more than prepared us for a team like them.
Maybe it's boise, but lasalle's duo look "quicker" than osu's (note-not bigger, stronger, better).
It's Boise.
let's hope so. even a poor man's version of osu's duo is still a match up problem.
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I think we are going to foul the crap out of LaSalle. Will be tough to keep them infront of us.
They have nice players, but Marcus Smart and Markel Brown more than prepared us for a team like them.
Maybe it's boise, but lasalle's duo look "quicker" than osu's (note-not bigger, stronger, better).
It's Boise.
let's hope so. even a poor man's version of osu's duo is still a match up problem.
We went 2-1 against OSU, they beat us at Okie St, we never win the game in the Bram, we did this year. :dunno:
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
La 28 1.25 64.8% 14.3% 15.4% 3.7%
Boi 28 0.97 57.1% 32.2% 33.3% 23.8%
Very little defense played. As expected, La Salle forced TOs, but you can get shots on them. Boise played terrible defense.
Both of these teams are garbage and we will chew their faces off. 'Cats by 10 regardless of which of these festering wounds winds up facing us...
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zacker has entered "trying too hard" territory now. Pump the brakes a bit bro.
meh. we should beat lasalle, but they will give us some problems. if we don't handle them well and have a bad night offensively, then we'll get beat. i mean, it's the tournament, these are good teams, crap happens.
Neither of these teams would finish in the top 6 in the B12. Texas the last two weeks of the season would beat both of these teams.
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
La 28 1.25 64.8% 14.3% 15.4% 3.7%
Boi 28 0.97 57.1% 32.2% 33.3% 23.8%
Very little defense played. As expected, La Salle forced TOs, but you can get shots on them. Boise played terrible defense.
Both of these teams are garbage and we will chew their faces off. 'Cats by 10 regardless of which of these festering wounds winds up facing us...
La Salle currently shooting 91% and 1.67 PPP in the 2nd half. Boise shooting 64.3%, oboarding at 37.5% and 1.59 PPP.
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It ain't like our defense has been good this year. TCU's point guard spent the entire game destroying us off the dribble. We won, obviously, but struggled.
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It ain't like our defense has been good this year. TCU's point guard spent the entire game destroying us off the dribble. We won, obviously, but struggled.
:bait:
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It ain't like our defense has been good this year. TCU's point guard spent the entire game destroying us off the dribble. We won, obviously, but struggled.
It was clear our guys coasted in that game. Its not like we didn't take much better guards vs Texas and OSU and play our best defense of the year. It would scare me if La Salle had some poor man's Withey, but its clear they don't. (and neither does Boise)
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It ain't like our defense has been good this year. TCU's point guard spent the entire game destroying us off the dribble. We won, obviously, but struggled.
It was clear our guys coasted in that game. Its not like we didn't take much better guards vs Texas and OSU and play our best defense of the year. It would scare me if La Salle had some poor man's Withey, but its clear they don't. (and neither does Boise)
LaSalle's O Dog seems quicker, so does Galloway. They'll give us some troubs, especially if angel picks up some stupid fouls.
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McGruder will take on La Salle single-handedly. Spradling will look like a bitch, but what else is new? Cats by 10
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Sprads can just sit with Shannon for this game. He'll get prison raped on the court.
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When does bbsing start?
http://explorertown.proboards.com/board/1/explorer-men-basketball-talk
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La Salle not at 77.2% for the game and 94.7% for the 2nd half. I don't expect them to shoot like that 2 games in a row.
In face, they had two 70+% shooting games this year, and shot under 50% the next game both times.
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Neither team cares much to play defense.
in relative terms, that's true. but we don't care to defend at a higher level than they do.
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It ain't like our defense has been good this year. TCU's point guard spent the entire game destroying us off the dribble. We won, obviously, but struggled.
It was clear our guys coasted in that game. Its not like we didn't take much better guards vs Texas and OSU and play our best defense of the year. It would scare me if La Salle had some poor man's Withey, but its clear they don't. (and neither does Boise)
LaSalle's O Dog seems quicker, so does Galloway. They'll give us some troubs, especially if angel picks up some stupid fouls.
Quick against....Boise State.
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La Salle not at 77.2% for the game and 94.7% for the 2nd half. I don't expect them to shoot like that 2 games in a row.
In face, they had two 70+% shooting games this year, and shot under 50% the next game both times.
This is insane
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Just turned it on. Everyone looks so small and thin. We will crush either of these high school teams.
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They'll give us some troubs, especially if angel picks up some stupid fouls.
look, zacker, kstate could lose to anyone if art can't play, but you can't do this to yourself. art will play, his knee will be ok, he won't foul anyone. kstate will win.
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Will kill LaSalle
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
La 28 1.25 64.8% 14.3% 15.4% 3.7%
Boi 28 0.97 57.1% 32.2% 33.3% 23.8%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
La 29 1.54 86.4% 20.5% 30.0% 50.0%
Boi 29 1.51 54.7% 3.4% 47.6% 40.6%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
La 58 1.39 74.5% 17.4% 21.7% 24.5%
Boi 58 1.23 55.7% 17.4% 42.4% 34.0%
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Tonight's stats above, then the comparisons; both the metrics and the individual players.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg521%2F3025%2Flasallemetrics.png&hash=3049da326aa6ef3745323b58c9f4095749df4572)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg5%2F2480%2Fkstatemetrics.png&hash=617ccf592f99acd10be5e23a0ebda36ea6b4bf8b)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg32.imageshack.us%2Fimg32%2F646%2Flasalleplayers.png&hash=5a95efaca9ab1765dd9324bc3a8b7503bde5760c)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg26%2F4458%2Fkstateplayers.png&hash=1f1d8c3bcdeebec363c9f96c874f4d3596ddd5e3)
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Tonight's stats above, then the comparisons; both the metrics and the individual players.
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg521%2F3025%2Flasallemetrics.png&hash=3049da326aa6ef3745323b58c9f4095749df4572)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg5%2F2480%2Fkstatemetrics.png&hash=617ccf592f99acd10be5e23a0ebda36ea6b4bf8b)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimg32.imageshack.us%2Fimg32%2F646%2Flasalleplayers.png&hash=5a95efaca9ab1765dd9324bc3a8b7503bde5760c)
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fimageshack.us%2Fa%2Fimg26%2F4458%2Fkstateplayers.png&hash=1f1d8c3bcdeebec363c9f96c874f4d3596ddd5e3)
where is the part where I can skip to the bottom?
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K-state was founded on February 16, 1863
LaSalle on March 20, 1863
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K-state was founded on February 16, 1863
LaSalle on March 20, 1863
Calendar, bitches.
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K-state was founded on February 16, 1863
LaSalle on March 20, 1863
:emawkid:
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K-state was founded on February 16, 1863
LaSalle on March 20, 1863
This makes us more experienced and more mature.
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K-state was founded on February 16, 1863
LaSalle on March 20, 1863
This makes us more experienced and more mature.
Also makes us an Aquarius
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K-state was founded on February 16, 1863
LaSalle on March 20, 1863
Because Calendar!
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Look at their offensive block %. I sure hope jhr can play, because jfc.
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La Salle was the team I preferred playing, just looking at their numbers.
They are a bad rebounding team. In games vs Top 100 teams they got beat by over 6% on OR%.
They don't defend the paint well at all; very low block% and a very high 2PT% given up.
Their key strengths match with ours. They win by limiting 3s (to their credit, they were very good at that, though not great tonight), defending 3s well (lottery), and forcing TOs. All things that are our strengths offensively.
Defensively they take a lot of chances for steals (thus their high steal percentage), but clearly that ends up in them giving up a lot of open looks and lay ups. With Angel playing so well (and Tay/Will for that matter as far as limiting TOs), we should be able to exploit that often Friday afternoon. Their perimeter defense and pressure may limit our looks from 3, but I suspect Gip/JO could both have big games inside.
Offensively the spread 4 wide and play a lot of 2 man games leading to drive. To be fair, that has been a weakness of ours defensively. We'll need some solid minutes from JO, especially on defense. If he plays well, he could approach a triple double because I think he'll have a ton of block opportunities, chances to score, and oboards. Fortunately for us, playing small ourselves helps us match-up better than a lot of teams would against them.
La Salle will score some, but I highly doubt they can maintain the shooting they showed tonight. Plus, we provide a ton of match-up problems for them as much as they do against us. The last 4 games they've given up at least 1.09 points per possession and I see the Cats at least matching that.
Cats 78 - La Salle 63
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Also, 6 guys played at least 30 minutes. With a day between games not as big of a deal, but we are tipping 40 hours after their game tonight ended, plus they had to fly out after their game tonight.
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ksu_FAN continues to amaze. Great perspective and analysis, as always. Many thanks.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
:ohno:
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
Butler and Nova they won at home and forced a bunch of TOs. They were actually outshot in both games.
VCU is the most impressive because they won at VCU. VCU shot 25% from 3 and the bigger surprise shot only 43% on 2s.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
Butler and Nova they won at home and forced a bunch of TOs. They were actually outshot in both games.
VCU is the most impressive because they won at VCU. VCU shot 25% from 3 and the bigger surprise shot only 43% on 2s.
You're right _FAN, those wins don't count. Should we call the NCAA tournament committee and have them change La Salle's record so people don't get confused when it's showed?
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
TCU beat kansas. Things happen.
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We will get by La Salle. We're sending them home.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
TCU beat kansas. Things happen.
1 game is an outlier. 3 games is a trend.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
Butler and Nova they won at home and forced a bunch of TOs. They were actually outshot in both games.
VCU is the most impressive because they won at VCU. VCU shot 25% from 3 and the bigger surprise shot only 43% on 2s.
You're right _FAN, those wins don't count. Should we call the NCAA tournament committee and have them change La Salle's record so people don't get confused when it's showed?
Just giving context to those wins, but yes, La Salle has the ability to beat us and they are a solid team. I just don't think they will.
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jfc guys losing this game is fireable lasalle is garbage.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
Butler and Nova they won at home and forced a bunch of TOs. They were actually outshot in both games.
VCU is the most impressive because they won at VCU. VCU shot 25% from 3 and the bigger surprise shot only 43% on 2s.
You're right _FAN, those wins don't count. Should we call the NCAA tournament committee and have them change La Salle's record so people don't get confused when it's showed?
You don't need to be so mean about it. Sheesh.
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La Salle beat Butler, VCU and Villanova this year. Did not realize that.
TCU beat kansas. Things happen.
1 game is an outlier. 3 games is a trend.
Holy crap dude. Take a stats class sometime.
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We are completely capable of shooting 43% from the field. :dubious:
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People are shitting the bed because we are playing a mediocre mid-major at home.
GMAFB
cats will roll them
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i live in Titletown, looks like some of my neighbors have moved out and that's ok.
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Guys did you read last night's dream thread? I had a dream 2 night's ago that we lost to La Salle and only scored 6 points. :-[
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i live in Titletown, looks like some of my neighbors have moved out and that's ok.
Let me know if that huge Titlehouse across from yours opens up. I will fire up the Titlemobile and head over.
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it's open, come and get the title to your new titlehouse, right here in titletown.
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it's open, come and get the title to your new titlehouse, right here in titletown.
My Titlemobile is gassed up.
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i live in Titletown, looks like some of my neighbors have moved out and that's ok.
:thumbs:
How anyone could watch that game last night and come away worried about tomorrow is beyond me.
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i live in Titletown, looks like some of my neighbors have moved out and that's ok.
:thumbs:
How anyone could watch that game last night and come away worried about tomorrow is beyond me.
but my dream. :-[
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Got my Tex Winter "Titletown" desk top graphic telling me everything is going to be great.
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Look at their offensive block %. I sure hope jhr can play, because jfc.
I thought JO could get a triple double going into the game. If only he didn't sit so damn much in the first half.