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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: kso_FAN on March 16, 2013, 09:59:37 PM
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1st Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 29 0.55 25.9% 30.9% 33.3% 14.8%
Opp 29 0.82 45.8% 30.9% 35.7% 12.5%
2nd Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 33 1.15 51.5% 3.0% 26.3% 24.2%
Opp 33 1.39 63.8% 15.1% 33.3% 37.9%
Total Pace PPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
KSU 63 0.86 40.0% 16.0% 30.0% 20.0%
Opp 63 1.12 55.7% 22.3% 34.5% 26.4%
A grinder first half became an offensive 2nd half, but in both K-State was absolutely destroyed. KU's physical defense took the Cats completely out of their offense and the league's best defense won out against one of the best offenses. No team is going to win a game where the opponent shoots over 15% better. While KU won on 2PT shots .487 to .417, it was KU's .500 on 3s compared to only .250 for K-State that was the real story in allowing KU to blow out the Cats. It was a completely frustrating and disappointing evening to watch against KU once again.
All that said, it is no time to despair; the Cats recovered after a beatdown from KU once already this season and its highly unlikely that we are going to face a team even close to what KU presents next week, let alone the incredible mental destruction KU puts into the Cats before we even take the floor. This team still has every opportunity to be in the 2nd weekend, and I look forward to seeing where the Cats land on Selection Sunday.
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it seemed like our 1st half game plan was to stand around and have Rodney throw up an off balance prayer or Angel dribble drive into withey. great plan!
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it seemed like our 1st half game plan was to stand around and have Rodney throw up an off balance prayer or Angel dribble drive into withey. great plan!
Whatever our plan was, KU's defense took us completely out of it and we had no answer. I don't think the play was ever "stand around" we just couldn't generate shots. We had a nice stretch where we got some good shots and made none, once that happened I knew we had no chance.
The early ugliness we could overcome, but unlike last night we never had a nice run of making open shots when we generated them. We did weather KU's defensive storm and got that, not for a long stretch, but for enough. When we didn't hit any of those shots, our confidence was done and the normal KU head games destroyed us.
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it seemed like our 1st half game plan was to stand around and have Rodney throw up an off balance prayer or Angel dribble drive into withey. great plan!
Whatever our plan was, KU's defense took us completely out of it
I think you're being obtuse this time. KU didn't take us out of our gameplan. Hell, they rolled out the red carpet for it, because it was rough ridin' moronic.
Our gameplan was to take the air out of the ball and force up a terrible shot in the paint in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. So KU happily allowed us to do so, while patiently running their game and getting points despite really stupid TOs in the first half.
Then, when we tried to speed up while still stupidly forcing the ball inside, KU happily let us do that as well, while opening the floodgates (sorry ISU fans, Ts & Ps) offensively with the more open court.
"Took us out of our gameplan" my ass.
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Yes, I think Weber outcoached himself today.
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it seemed like our 1st half game plan was to stand around and have Rodney throw up an off balance prayer or Angel dribble drive into withey. great plan!
Whatever our plan was, KU's defense took us completely out of it
I think you're being obtuse this time. KU didn't take us out of our gameplan. Hell, they rolled out the red carpet for it, because it was rough ridin' moronic.
Our gameplan was to take the air out of the ball and force up a terrible shot in the paint in the last 5 seconds of the shot clock. So KU happily allowed us to do so, while patiently running their game and getting points despite really stupid TOs in the first half.
Then, when we tried to speed up while still stupidly forcing the ball inside, KU happily let us do that as well, while opening the floodgates (sorry ISU fans, Ts & Ps) offensively with the more open court.
"Took us out of our gameplan" my ass.
I'm not being obtuse. We weren't going to play fast, but every time we got an open look early in a possession or in transition we took it. We weren't just running clock to run clock, we just couldn't generate a lot of good shots. Yeah, part of that was on oscar and his offense, but a lot was just KU's physical defense and we didn't have an answer. Angel and Rod were forced to try to do things because no one else on the perimeter could; Tay, Shane, and Will combined to go 1-13 from 3 and they missed a lot of good looks at 3s. 40% of our shots were 3s (which was about right) but when this team hits only 25% of our 3s we aren't going to beat anybody.
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the better team lost today
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every time we got an open look early in a possession or in transition we took it. We weren't just running clock to run clock
Utterly false. We were absolutely passing up good looks early in possessions in the first half, repeatedly and explicitly.
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every time we got an open look early in a possession or in transition we took it. We weren't just running clock to run clock
Utterly false. We were absolutely passing up good looks early in possessions in the first half, repeatedly and explicitly.
We didn't pass up a lot of good looks. Maybe some marginal ones.
But whatever, you seem to be enjoying your meltdown, so go ahead.
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every time we got an open look early in a possession or in transition we took it. We weren't just running clock to run clock
Utterly false. We were absolutely passing up good looks early in possessions in the first half, repeatedly and explicitly.
We didn't pass up a lot of good looks.
You're still wrong.
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:thumbsup: _fan. I agree, we're gonna be fine the first weekend.
Also, what was the total foul disparity, and the first 10 fouls called at the start of each half? Seems relevant when judging our team's performance.
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Kougs you gotta let it go man. This is not a loss worthy of a meltdown. We were picked 5th preseason and ended up with a trophy, made the tourney finals, and are going to be favored to make the sweet 16 playing in Kansas City.
Everything we've done up to this point has been to get seeded and play at home. We did that... Fresh start. Gotta get the wins in KC
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Kougs you gotta let it go man. This is not a loss worthy of a meltdown. We were picked 5th preseason and ended up with a trophy, made the tourney finals, and are going to be favored to make the sweet 16 playing in Kansas City.
Everything we've done up to this point has been to get seeded and play at home. We did that... Fresh start. Gotta get the wins in KC
Psh. Have you ever seen me meltdown? This is no meltdown.
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Kougs you gotta let it go man. This is not a loss worthy of a meltdown. We were picked 5th preseason and ended up with a trophy, made the tourney finals, and are going to be favored to make the sweet 16 playing in Kansas City.
Everything we've done up to this point has been to get seeded and play at home. We did that... Fresh start. Gotta get the wins in KC
Psh. Have you ever seen me meltdown? This is no meltdown.
Well you're not being positive. I want to hear you say something nice about our KSU wildcats to make things better... It'll be therapeutic. Go.
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16 rough ridin' points. Six rough ridin' teen. Gene Keady should be ashamed of himself.
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Kougs you gotta let it go man. This is not a loss worthy of a meltdown. We were picked 5th preseason and ended up with a trophy, made the tourney finals, and are going to be favored to make the sweet 16 playing in Kansas City.
Everything we've done up to this point has been to get seeded and play at home. We did that... Fresh start. Gotta get the wins in KC
Psh. Have you ever seen me meltdown? This is no meltdown.
Well you're not being positive. I want to hear you say something nice about our KSU wildcats to make things better... It'll be therapeutic. Go.
No need for therapy, not melting down. :dunno:
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Releford did a hell of a job on Rodney, especially first half. You can't really expect us to shoot lights out from the field when we're playing our third day in a row,
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Releford did a hell of a job on Rodney, especially first half. You can't really expect us to shoot lights out from the field when we're playing our third day in a row,
I know, I mean, how could we match the energy of KU, which was playing only its....third....game...in a row....
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It's not a meltdown til I get banned from a Texas Tech message board.
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Releford did a hell of a job on Rodney, especially first half. You can't really expect us to shoot lights out from the field when we're playing our third day in a row,
I know, I mean, how could we match the energy of KU, which was playing only its....third....game...in a row....
Because they aren't relying on creating and hitting jump shots with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. They had a dominant inside player and he shoved it down our throats.
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It's not a meltdown til I get banned from a Texas Tech message board.
I think Tech message boards were banned, so yeah.
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Releford did a hell of a job on Rodney, especially first half. You can't really expect us to shoot lights out from the field when we're playing our third day in a row,
I know, I mean, how could we match the energy of KU, which was playing only its....third....game...in a row....
Because they aren't relying on creating and hitting jump shots forcing the ball inside with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. They had a dominant inside player and he shoved it down our throats.
Yeah, so maybe we shouldn't have been relying on that moronic strategy either.
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Releford did a hell of a job on Rodney, especially first half. You can't really expect us to shoot lights out from the field when we're playing our third day in a row,
I know, I mean, how could we match the energy of KU, which was playing only its....third....game...in a row....
Because they aren't relying on creating and hitting jump shots forcing the ball inside with 5 seconds left on the shot clock. They had a dominant inside player and he shoved it down our throats.
Yeah, so maybe we shouldn't have been relying on that moronic strategy either.
Absolutely we shouldn't have. Trying to shorten the game was Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!). We prepare for this game so much differently than any other game and then when crap starts flying we crumble because its so far inside our heads.
Just prepare like its any other rough ridin' game, oscar. Jesus Christ.
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Playing Texas -> Oklahoma State compared to Tech -> Iowa State isn't the same we had less in are legs. Also considering KU had an extra three hours between games is a big advantage. Taking the air out of the ball was a good game plan, need to hit shoots. We won the turnover battle and didn't loose the rebounding margin.
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Playing Texas -> Oklahoma State compared to Tech -> Iowa State isn't the same we had less in are legs. Also considering KU had an extra three hours between games is a big advantage.
Pffft ok Tuck-Nutz.
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4-18 2pt
2-9 3pt
8 TOs
First half.... any questions?
We were lucky to be down only 8 putting those dreadful numbers that amounted to 16 pts. Yes we did get the lead down to 3 early 2nd, but a KU run (which we knew would happen since they played bad 1st hf offense too) got the lead up to 12 pts. And for the most part the game was over
Sound familar? The night before, OK St played awful in 1st hf, in which Mr Brown saw pine for 17 minutes. But Ksu only led by 5 at half. The Cats came out on a run and had a 13pt lead by the under 12 timeout, and the game was all but over
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We missed a ton of good looks. They were allowed to play ridiculously physical officiating didn't cost us the game but 6-0 6-0 changed it for sure.
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On the radio postgame oscar said we need to win the game 50-48
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On the radio postgame oscar said we need to win the game 50-48
no way
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Kougs you gotta let it go man. This is not a loss worthy of a meltdown. We were picked 5th preseason and ended up with a trophy, made the tourney finals, and are going to be favored to make the sweet 16 playing in Kansas City.
Everything we've done up to this point has been to get seeded and play at home. We did that... Fresh start. Gotta get the wins in KC
Psh. Have you ever seen me meltdown? This is no meltdown.
Well you're not being positive. I want to hear you say something nice about our KSU wildcats to make things better... It'll be therapeutic. Go.
Don't worry....the big 12 just announced they will share that trophy also bcuz another teams fans didnt like the way it was officiated.
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Kougs you gotta let it go man. This is not a loss worthy of a meltdown. We were picked 5th preseason and ended up with a trophy, made the tourney finals, and are going to be favored to make the sweet 16 playing in Kansas City.
Everything we've done up to this point has been to get seeded and play at home. We did that... Fresh start. Gotta get the wins in KC
Psh. Have you ever seen me meltdown? This is no meltdown.
Well you're not being positive. I want to hear you say something nice about our KSU wildcats to make things better... It'll be therapeutic. Go.
Don't worry....the big 12 just announced they will share that trophy also bcuz another teams fans didnt like the way it was officiated.
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On the radio postgame oscar said we need to win the game 50-48
no way
I mean, I can't believe someone paid to coach basketball would think this. No one beats KU by slowing down the game. Most of their losses over the last couple of years have been at or above their normal pace. None have been significantly slower, except for Kentucky last year and Northern Iowa.
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we need to win the game 50-48
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It's not a meltdown til I get banned from a Texas Tech message board.
:lol:
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I'm thoroughly enjoying Kougs' non-meltdown :popcorn: Mostly because he's right.
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Fun random fact. Last 3 times Snyds has played KU his teams have avd' 58 ppg. oscar's last 3 vs KU we avg'd 56.6. We just can't score on those guys. Tempo doesn't matter, we can't beat them at any pace because we can't score efficiently.
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We had our 2nd worst 3PT shooting game in the Big 12 and only 8 assists on 21 makes for our worst assist rate of the season. Our offense wasn't good and we missed quite a few open shots. They were way over their average on 3s and we were way under so the game became a large margin. A slower pace where we hit a significant number of 3s was the best way for us to win and we failed.
I really dislike it when our fans overreact to KU losses, though I have come to expect it.
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Fun random fact. Last 3 times Snyds has played KU his teams have avd' 58 ppg. oscar's last 3 vs KU we avg'd 56.6. We just can't score on those guys. Tempo doesn't matter, we can't beat them at any pace because we can't score efficiently.
:sdeek:
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Fun random fact. Last 3 times Snyds has played KU his teams have avd' 58 ppg. oscar's last 3 vs KU we avg'd 56.6. We just can't score on those guys. Tempo doesn't matter, we can't beat them at any pace because we can't score efficiently.
:sdeek:
oh my :lol:
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_FAN, How do we get over the hump?
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make shots.
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_FAN, How do we get over the hump?
Against KU? Get better (more talented) players. Our recent wins involved the most talented players ever at K-State (Beasley) and one of the best players in K-State history playing the best game of his career (Pullen). 05 was a complete fluke and really the only time a KU time has had a terrible half of basketball against K-State in a really long time. Our game in Manhattan this year was a good formula and recipe (KU didn't play great) but if you go that route you have to hit your shots. I think we went with a similar plan yesterday and made even fewer shots.
But now it doesn't matter, we aren't going to see KU unless its really really deep in the tournament so the same problems don't apply. I like that we beat a pretty good OSU team Friday night too, we should be fine playing with anyone we see the first weekend.
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Pullen had a career night when we beat KU in 08, too.
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_FAN, How do we get over the hump?
Against KU? Get better (more talented) players. Our recent wins involved the most talented players ever at K-State (Beasley) and one of the best players in K-State history playing the best game of his career (Pullen). 05 was a complete fluke and really the only time a KU time has had a terrible half of basketball against K-State in a really long time. Our game in Manhattan this year was a good formula and recipe (KU didn't play great) but if you go that route you have to hit your shots. I think we went with a similar plan yesterday and made even fewer shots.
But now it doesn't matter, we aren't going to see KU unless its really really deep in the tournament so the same problems don't apply. I like that we beat a pretty good OSU team Friday night too, we should be fine playing with anyone we see the first weekend.
Need to find a way to make flukes happen with more regularity. Like a perpetual motion machine, or something
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_FAN, How do we get over the hump?
Against KU? Get better (more talented) players. Our recent wins involved the most talented players ever at K-State (Beasley) and one of the best players in K-State history playing the best game of his career (Pullen). 05 was a complete fluke and really the only time a KU time has had a terrible half of basketball against K-State in a really long time. Our game in Manhattan this year was a good formula and recipe (KU didn't play great) but if you go that route you have to hit your shots. I think we went with a similar plan yesterday and made even fewer shots.
But now it doesn't matter, we aren't going to see KU unless its really really deep in the tournament so the same problems don't apply. I like that we beat a pretty good OSU team Friday night too, we should be fine playing with anyone we see the first weekend.
I'm honestly not sure that anyone in the country can defend us as well as KU has been able to this year. They are a senior led team with tall/athletic/physical guards, a shot blocking monster down low, and three ultra-athletic power forwards.
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_FAN, How do we get over the hump?
Against KU? Get better (more talented) players. Our recent wins involved the most talented players ever at K-State (Beasley) and one of the best players in K-State history playing the best game of his career (Pullen). 05 was a complete fluke and really the only time a KU time has had a terrible half of basketball against K-State in a really long time. Our game in Manhattan this year was a good formula and recipe (KU didn't play great) but if you go that route you have to hit your shots. I think we went with a similar plan yesterday and made even fewer shots.
But now it doesn't matter, we aren't going to see KU unless its really really deep in the tournament so the same problems don't apply. I like that we beat a pretty good OSU team Friday night too, we should be fine playing with anyone we see the first weekend.
I'm honestly not sure that anyone in the country can defend us as well as KU has been able to this year. They are a senior led team with tall/athletic/physical guards, a shot blocking monster down low, and three ultra-athletic power forwards.
You were doing so well until you said this. Name the three?
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You were doing so well until you said this. Name the three?
I don't even think they have 1.
I mean, it's Kevin Young. And Ellis had 2 good games this entire year. Nino has had just as many.
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I really dislike it when our fans overreact to KU losses, though I have come to expect it.
Who's overreacting?
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I really dislike it when our fans overreact to KU losses, though I have come to expect it.
Who's overreacting?
We aren't supposed to expect to beat them, so any reaction to a loss to them is overreacting.
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I really dislike it when our fans overreact to KU losses, though I have come to expect it.
Who's overreacting?
We aren't supposed to expect to beat them, so any reaction to a loss to them is overreacting.
Yep, that's exactly what I said
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_Fan's right about us overreacting but it's hard not to with this streak. I mean I wonder what's the worst 50 game stretch a major conference team has ever had against a conference opp? 3-47 has to rank up there.
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_Fan's right about us overreacting but it's hard not to with this streak. I mean I wonder what's the worst 50 game stretch a major conference team has ever had against a conference opp? 3-47 has to rank up there.
Yeah, it does get old.
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I really dislike it when our fans overreact to KU losses, though I have come to expect it.
Who's overreacting?
We aren't supposed to expect to beat them, so any reaction to a loss to them is overreacting.
Yep, that's exactly what I said
I might have overreacted
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I really dislike it when our fans overreact to KU losses, though I have come to expect it.
Who's overreacting?
We aren't supposed to expect to beat them, so any reaction to a loss to them is overreacting.
Yep, that's exactly what I said
I might have overreacted
Well played.
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Seriously though, who is overreacting?
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You were doing so well until you said this. Name the three?
I don't even think they have 1.
I mean, it's Kevin Young. And Ellis had 2 good games this entire year. Nino has had just as many.
I'm sure you guys know who I'm talking about, since they have 3 power forwards on their roster. Ellis, Traylor, and Young are very athletic. Kevin Young isn't talented offensively, but he's very athletic. I was talking about defense here, so I'm not sure how Perry Elli's offense factor's into the equation.
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_Fan's right about us overreacting but it's hard not to with this streak. I mean I wonder what's the worst 50 game stretch a major conference team has ever had against a conference opp? 3-47 has to rank up there.
IIRC, UNC has been balls deep in NC States face for a long time. It happens, even to good people who deserve good things.