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Title: Upside
Post by: catzacker on March 16, 2013, 07:23:57 PM
I wish this team had more of it.  KU (1seed), Zags (1 seed), Mich (3 seed?).  I mean, just nothing.  The game vs. KU in manhattan was close if you looked at just the box score, but it really wasn't in doubt.  Florida is basically Oklahoma State.

I guess just win our first round game and hope for the 12/5 upset.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: hemmy on March 16, 2013, 07:31:52 PM
I wish this team had more of it.  KU (1seed), Zags (1 seed), Mich (3 seed?).  I mean, just nothing.  The game vs. KU in manhattan was close if you looked at just the box score, but it really wasn't in doubt.  Florida is basically Oklahoma State.

I guess just win our first round game and hope for the 12/5 upset.

Meh, they could beat a 5 seed. Depending on the team of course...
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: The Whale on March 16, 2013, 07:34:38 PM
Keys to success:

1. Avoid playing a higher seeded team.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 16, 2013, 07:45:18 PM
Don't be so negative. This team has huge upside. KU games are the exception not the rule. Yes, a 4 seed is a lot worse than a 3, but we have the guard play to make a run. This week were gonna forget this crap and be excited for the start of the real tournament.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: ednksu on March 16, 2013, 07:46:10 PM
Keys to success:

1. Avoid playing a higher seeded team.
Yeah we could be like KU's 08 squad and only play double digit seeds.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: catzacker on March 16, 2013, 07:48:09 PM
I wish this team had more of it.  KU (1seed), Zags (1 seed), Mich (3 seed?).  I mean, just nothing.  The game vs. KU in manhattan was close if you looked at just the box score, but it really wasn't in doubt.  Florida is basically Oklahoma State.

I guess just win our first round game and hope for the 12/5 upset.

Meh, they could beat a 5 seed. Depending on the team of course...

I think we're "ranked" like a 4 seed, but we should be  a 5 seed based on what we've done and how we've done it, imo.  Maybe semantics. We don't really pass the eye test.  We're the oakland A's - nice regular season team, but when it comes to post season (when you face really good teams) urine begins to drip down the leg.

I dunno.  IIRC, We didn't beat anyone ranked (either end of year AP or ncaa seed) above us in '10 during the regular season or the post season. So maybe there's hope.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Pete on March 16, 2013, 07:50:32 PM
I hope we are a four, and we make the sweet 16 (obviously, we have zero chance of making the elite 8).

Then, we will be worse every year until oscar is fired.  However, the real tragedy here is that Currie will have moved on by then, and we won't get the pleasure of watching Currie be forced to fire oscar.  I am heart sick about missing out on that. 
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: timhawk on March 16, 2013, 07:53:17 PM
Keys to success:

1. Avoid playing a higher seeded team.
Yeah we could be like KU's 08 squad and only play double digit seeds.

only final four ever with all one seeds....  :thumbsup:
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 16, 2013, 07:54:59 PM
We have beaten tournament teams this year. Half our losses are against one team that won't be in our region.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Willesgirl on March 16, 2013, 08:00:43 PM
We have beaten tournament teams this year. Half our losses are against one team that won't be in our region.

This made me feel significantly better. Thanks.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: FuzzyWuzzy on March 16, 2013, 08:02:26 PM
I felt like Southwell showed some potential tonight
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: catzacker on March 16, 2013, 08:03:18 PM
I felt like Southwell showed some potential tonight

at what?  getting abused at the PF position?
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: kougar24 on March 16, 2013, 08:04:35 PM
I felt like Southwell showed some potential tonight

Not one of The Straw's better games, actually.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: FuzzyWuzzy on March 16, 2013, 08:06:08 PM
since when does saying 'he showed some potential' mean he played flawlessly and had his best game ever?
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: catzacker on March 16, 2013, 08:07:09 PM
We have beaten tournament teams this year. Half our losses are against one team that won't be in our region.

all of our losses (sans 2 - @ OSU, and @ISU) were to similar teams - i.e. teams better than us.  Instead of ku, you could have subbed in louisville or marquette or GT or mich st or miami.  we really haven't shown we can beat that kind of team, hence no upside.  I don't consider florida better than us.

again, we didn't necessarily do that in '10 either, so there is hope I guess.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: catzacker on March 16, 2013, 08:07:45 PM
since when does saying 'he showed some potential' mean he played flawlessly and had his best game ever?

i didn't really see any flashes of potential in this game.  he got kind of abused.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: FuzzyWuzzy on March 16, 2013, 08:08:45 PM
he got quite a few good looks off the dribble on a night when pretty much everyone was struggling to find good shots
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: EMAWzified on March 16, 2013, 08:08:55 PM
Shane didn't play that well the last two nights.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: star seed 7 on March 16, 2013, 08:10:38 PM
We have beaten tournament teams this year. Half our losses are against one team that won't be in our region.

all of our losses (sans 2 - @ OSU, and @ISU) were to similar teams - i.e. teams better than us.  Instead of ku, you could have subbed in louisville or marquette or GT or mich st or miami.  we really haven't shown we can beat that kind of team, hence no upside.  I don't consider florida better than us.

again, we didn't necessarily do that in '10 either, so there is hope I guess.

i don't necessarily disagree with you, but i think zaga and mich would go differently now after we have had some time in bruces offense.

maybe i'm just being positive though. i also don't think losing to ku says much about how we would do against good teams, there is a huge mental block there for various reasons.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 16, 2013, 08:22:09 PM
We have beaten tournament teams this year. Half our losses are against one team that won't be in our region.

all of our losses (sans 2 - @ OSU, and @ISU) were to similar teams - i.e. teams better than us.  Instead of ku, you could have subbed in louisville or marquette or GT or mich st or miami.  we really haven't shown we can beat that kind of team, hence no upside.  I don't consider florida better than us.

again, we didn't necessarily do that in '10 either, so there is hope I guess.

So you're saying there are better teams than us in the tournament, and if we meet a 1 seed in the sweet 16 we'll probably lose? Well, yeah.

I'm just saying I'm not too concerned about meeting a 5 seed in the round of 32. OSU will be a 5 seed and we beat them twice. We are a good basketball team. And KU is something of an anomaly.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: catzacker on March 16, 2013, 08:55:23 PM
 I am saying it is tough to believe we'll do something we haven't done. 
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: sys on March 16, 2013, 09:00:11 PM
I am saying it is tough to believe we'll do something we haven't done.

they haven't gone to the sweet 16, and i believe they've got a great shot to do that.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Nick Florences Beard on March 16, 2013, 09:02:50 PM
I am saying it is tough to believe we'll do something we haven't done.

they haven't gone to the sweet 16, and i believe they've got a great shot to do that.

If Spradling only plays 6 minutes.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: eastcat on March 16, 2013, 09:06:19 PM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Nick Florences Beard on March 16, 2013, 09:08:43 PM
But Self and Manning are irrelevant walk-ons, every team has them. They also have a real recruiting class. :/
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: sys on March 16, 2013, 09:09:57 PM
KU's starting lineup this year...

they aren't bringing in a class of unranked three stars.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Sandstone Outcropping on March 16, 2013, 09:10:11 PM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.
Don't do this to yourself
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Bill Clarahan on March 16, 2013, 09:11:45 PM
I hope we are a four, and we make the sweet 16 (obviously, we have zero chance of making the elite 8).

Then, we will be worse every year until oscar is fired.  However, the real tragedy here is that Currie will have moved on by then, and we won't get the pleasure of watching Currie be forced to fire oscar.  I am heart sick about missing out on that.


It's like you read my thoughts on the whole oscar - Curry debacle

We played a bunch of stiffs in the Big Twelen, and we're going to get our ass handed to us by , Oh, the second round in this tourney.  Best thing to do is bet against the Cats

Title: Re: Upside
Post by: kim carnes on March 16, 2013, 09:11:56 PM
we need calipari
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: CNS on March 16, 2013, 09:13:08 PM
I hope we are a four, and we make the sweet 16 (obviously, we have zero chance of making the elite 8).

Then, we will be worse every year until oscar is fired.  However, the real tragedy here is that Currie will have moved on by then, and we won't get the pleasure of watching Currie be forced to fire oscar.  I am heart sick about missing out on that.


It's like you read my thoughts on the whole oscar - Curry debacle

We played a bunch of stiffs in the Big Twelen, and we're going to get our ass handed to us by , Oh, the second round in this tourney.  Best thing to do is bet against the Cats

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  We got a shot against anyone in the nation.  We could easily make a Sweet 16 or more this year unless we just go cold or get someone hurt. 
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: K-S-U-Wildcats! on March 16, 2013, 10:05:18 PM
I hope we are a four, and we make the sweet 16 (obviously, we have zero chance of making the elite 8).

Then, we will be worse every year until oscar is fired.  However, the real tragedy here is that Currie will have moved on by then, and we won't get the pleasure of watching Currie be forced to fire oscar.  I am heart sick about missing out on that.


It's like you read my thoughts on the whole oscar - Curry debacle

We played a bunch of stiffs in the Big Twelen, and we're going to get our ass handed to us by , Oh, the second round in this tourney.  Best thing to do is bet against the Cats

Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).  We got a shot against anyone in the nation.  We could easily make a Sweet 16 or more this year unless we just go cold or get someone hurt.

Xactly. Bunch of chicken littles on here freaking out over playing a 5 seed in the second round. OSU will be a 5 seed.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: CNS on March 16, 2013, 10:33:33 PM
12/5 is always a fun match up to watch in a normal season.  This year, the 5's could lose out.  It has a lot of potential to be a crazy, like really really crazy, tourn-a-ment this year.  Like, get out the red ink for your shitty ass bracket type of year.  I can't wait.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2013, 03:41:41 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) in the world knows it.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: star seed 7 on March 17, 2013, 03:42:44 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-respect in the world knows it.

they will be just like this year.  lose some stupid games, win the ones they have to.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:44:44 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-respect in the world knows it.

have you seem our recruiting class got next year? #2 in the nation with possibility of still getting julius randle who's the #3 player for next year....KU will be stacked
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2013, 03:45:16 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-respect in the world knows it.

have you seem our recruiting class got next year? #2 in the nation with possibility of still getting julius randle who's the #3 player for next year....KU will be stacked

What part of my post are you disagreeing with?
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:47:47 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-respect in the world knows it.

have you seem our recruiting class got next year? #2 in the nation with possibility of still getting julius randle who's the #3 player for next year....KU will be stacked

What part of my post are you disagreeing with?

you didn't include our incoming freshmen....telling you right now WAYNE SELDON is going to be a beast.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: star seed 7 on March 17, 2013, 03:49:21 AM
you should really stop bbsing ljm.  we'd send you to the d-league for a while, but saul is too busy playing simcity to get it set up.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:51:30 AM
you should really stop bbsing ljm.  we'd send you to the d-league for a while, but saul is too busy playing simcity to get it set up.

honest question...what kind of recruits does Kstate have coming next year? I think ok. state will be pretty good
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: Stevesie60 on March 17, 2013, 03:52:42 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-respect in the world knows it.

have you seem our recruiting class got next year? #2 in the nation with possibility of still getting julius randle who's the #3 player for next year....KU will be stacked

What part of my post are you disagreeing with?

you didn't include our incoming freshmen....telling you right now WAYNE SELDON is going to be a beast.

All I said was that you guys would be fine by conference play. I didn't need to include your incoming freshman to make that point clear. But hey, your constant need of attention is cute. It reminds me of a puppy. And puppies are freaking adorable.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:53:23 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.


They will be fine by conference play next year, and every non-respect in the world knows it.

have you seem our recruiting class got next year? #2 in the nation with possibility of still getting julius randle who's the #3 player for next year....KU will be stacked

What part of my post are you disagreeing with?

you didn't include our incoming freshmen....telling you right now WAYNE SELDON is going to be a beast.

All I said was that you guys would be fine by conference play. I didn't need to include your incoming freshman to make that point clear. But hey, your constant need of attention is cute. It reminds me of a puppy. And puppies are freaking adorable.

I am pretty adorable
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: star seed 7 on March 17, 2013, 03:54:54 AM
the puppy that diarrhea shits all over the carpet and then rolls around in it isn't cute.

ljm is that puppy.
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: timhawk on March 17, 2013, 03:59:11 AM
the puppy that diarrhea shits all over the carpet and then rolls around in it isn't cute.

ljm is that puppy.

and then you have to clean it up :)
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: GCJayhawker on March 17, 2013, 08:55:54 AM
Upside:

KU's starting lineup this year:

Withey (Senior)
Johnson (Senior)
Releford (senior)
Young (senior)
Mclemore (Freshman *NBA*)

KU is wasting two roster spots on:

Tyler Self
Evan Manning

Who does this leave them with?:

Naadir Tharpe
Rio Adams
Andrew White III
Justin Wesley
Niko Roberts
Christian Garrett
Perry Ellis
Landen Lucas
Jamari Traylor

Together those players average less than 19 points a game Combined. None of them are over 6'9 and only 3 of them play more than 5 minutes per game.

Don't do this to yourself. Don't think that KU won't be top of the conference again next year
Title: Re: Upside
Post by: yosh on March 17, 2013, 09:46:38 AM
I would pick KU to win if they lost all 13 scholarship players.  Without seeing their recruiting class.