isn't op the guy who hated Frank?
isn't op the guy who hated Frank?
I enjoy the blowouts immensely. They remind me of being on the other side of it. They also remind me of getting worked up and worried every game. It's nice to have "break" games where you can kick back, relax, and know you're still going to be tied atop the big 12 when the weekend comes.
Oh, and our entire team is sexy. (Minus the white people)
Another thing is that K-State fans are becoming more accustomed to winning in hoops. It's not as much fun once the initial "OMG we're good!" moments start to turn into "OMG we should be alone in 1st place!"
:thumbs: :DI enjoy the blowouts immensely. They remind me of being on the other side of it. They also remind me of getting worked up and worried every game. It's nice to have "break" games where you can kick back, relax, and know you're still going to be tied atop the big 12 when the weekend comes.
Although last night did go from hitting your head against the wall to kicking your feet up in a span of a few miNINOutes.
This season is pretty goddam exciting. The only way it wouldn't be exciting is if you need the media to hold your hand and tell you it's exciting. They're just not going to do that with oscar as our coach.
This season is pretty goddam exciting. The only way it wouldn't be exciting is if you need the media to hold your hand and tell you it's exciting. They're just not going to do that with oscar as our coach.
you can blame the media until you're blue in the face but the empty stands speak for themselves.
This season is pretty goddam exciting. The only way it wouldn't be exciting is if you need the media to hold your hand and tell you it's exciting. They're just not going to do that with oscar as our coach.
you can blame the media until you're blue in the face but the empty stands speak for themselves.
Needs some sweeping rule changes.
Needs some sweeping rule changes.
fully on this bandwagon now.
All I know is that Bramlage would be filled to capacity every game if we had hired Gottlieb.
Oh, and our entire team is sexy. (Minus the white people)
Needs some sweeping rule changes.
fully on this bandwagon now.
I think sweeping rule enforcement would be better. Make it a little less physical and scoring will go up.
Rules exist to handle this, but the interpretation of the rules has become more lenient.
Needs some sweeping rule changes.
fully on this bandwagon now.
I think sweeping rule enforcement would be better. Make it a little less physical and scoring will go up.
Rules exist to handle this, but the interpretation of the rules has become more lenient.
yuck, i say make it more physical, and stop calling so many small timey fouls.
Another thing is that K-State fans are becoming more accustomed to winning in hoops. It's not as much fun once the initial "OMG we're good!" moments start to turn into "OMG we should be alone in 1st place!"I think there's some truth to this.
Needs some sweeping rule changes.
fully on this bandwagon now.
I think sweeping rule enforcement would be better. Make it a little less physical and scoring will go up.
Rules exist to handle this, but the interpretation of the rules has become more lenient.
yuck, i say make it more physical, and stop calling so many small timey fouls.
So you like 44-41 ballgames huh? You should become a Nebrasketball fan.
Needs some sweeping rule changes.
fully on this bandwagon now.
I think sweeping rule enforcement would be better. Make it a little less physical and scoring will go up.
Rules exist to handle this, but the interpretation of the rules has become more lenient.
yuck, i say make it more physical, and stop calling so many small timey fouls.
So you like 44-41 ballgames huh? You should become a Nebrasketball fan.
The worst part of basketball is that there is a foul every other possession. I don't like game stoppage.
Make fouls more severe if you want, just call less.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
I don't think people get how great it is to beat a team on Monday . . . and just sit, back, relax, and watch BBALL all week without a care in the world.
Soft, little fist pumps . . . all throughout the day.
I don't think people get how great it is to beat a team on Monday . . . and just sit, back, relax, and watch BBALL all week without a care in the world.
Soft, little fist pumps . . . all throughout the day.
I hate that. I want to play on Wednesday too :curse:
speaking of dunks, my guy shane has been dunking good this season.
I mean really, when we really sucked and the league was "tougher" I didn't walk around all, "well yeah, it sucks to finish 10th, but golly, the league was just really good this year." I mean, I just . . . wow.
The top of the league isn't as good as years like 08-10 obviously, but its not terrible. The big difference is how bad the bottom 4 teams are; its rare to have pretty much 8 guaranteed wins in the league.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
been 31 hours for me
You're a got dam disingenuous pissant if you don't think OU (twice), OSU, ISU (should have been twice), OU (Twice), WVU (twice), Texas (twice) weren't fist pump worthy.
GTFOMF with that.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
been 31 hours for me
Every win is the same, huh? Good for you.
The top of the league isn't as good as years like 08-10 obviously, but its not terrible. The big difference is how bad the bottom 4 teams are; its rare to have pretty much 8 guaranteed wins in the league.
The top of the league isn't as good as years like 08-10 obviously, but its not terrible. The big difference is how bad the bottom 4 teams are; its rare to have pretty much 8 guaranteed wins in the league.
the quality of the league is a non sequitur. don't let them drag you into the discussion. if you're a college basketball fan- specifically a ksu cat hoops fan for the purpose of this thread, the season hasn't been boring.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
This is a very good post.
moving forward the big 12 is in great shape. If weber can recruit at least at the level he did at Illinois he'll be very competitive. Hoiberg is going to be running a consistent top 25 program, Ford looks like he's going to be able to land talent, baylor and texas are what they are, and OU for the next few years should be solid (can't imagine kruger lasting more than 3 or 4 years more though). The real issues are TCU, Tech, and West Virginia. Will WVU even be in the league much longer? Can TCU get enough local talent? etc...
regardless, with the current lineup of coaches the league is very strong and will be very fun to watch.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
I'm not sure anyone has said they thought we were competing for a title from the start, but once KU lost 3 in a row everyone jumped on board.
And what exactly is the problem with that?
moving forward the big 12 is in great shape. If weber can recruit at least at the level he did at Illinois he'll be very competitive. Hoiberg is going to be running a consistent top 25 program, Ford looks like he's going to be able to land talent, baylor and texas are what they are, and OU for the next few years should be solid (can't imagine kruger lasting more than 3 or 4 years more though). The real issues are TCU, Tech, and West Virginia. Will WVU even be in the league much longer? Can TCU get enough local talent? etc...
regardless, with the current lineup of coaches the league is very strong and will be very fun to watch.
stopped reading here because obvious low basketball iq post
moving forward the big 12 is in great shape. If weber can recruit at least at the level he did at Illinois he'll be very competitive. Hoiberg is going to be running a consistent top 25 program, Ford looks like he's going to be able to land talent, baylor and texas are what they are, and OU for the next few years should be solid (can't imagine kruger lasting more than 3 or 4 years more though). The real issues are TCU, Tech, and West Virginia. Will WVU even be in the league much longer? Can TCU get enough local talent? etc...
regardless, with the current lineup of coaches the league is very strong and will be very fun to watch.
stopped reading here because obvious low basketball iq post
they are arguably a veteran player away from being in the lead of the big 12 this year and have one of the best home courts in all of college basketball. sorry if that is 'low basketball iq'.
The top of the league isn't as good as years like 08-10 obviously, but its not terrible. The big difference is how bad the bottom 4 teams are; its rare to have pretty much 8 guaranteed wins in the league.
It's like having four Nebraskas. Think how boring a league with four Nebraskas would be. I mean, c'mon.
they are arguably a veteran player away from being in the lead of the big 12 this year and have one of the best home courts in all of college basketball. sorry if that is 'low basketball iq'.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
I'm not sure anyone has said they thought we were competing for a title from the start, but once KU lost 3 in a row everyone jumped on board.
And what exactly is the problem with that?
Yes, once we realized that KU (might) suck enough to choke a title away, we got super excited and then, magically, the entire season turned “exciting” because our good team has been made better than good because of a just awful bottom 4 of the conference. Nothing wrong with that. Just admit it. This isn’t necessarily directed at you, but I find the “excitement” dishonest because we aren’t excited about how good we are, we’re excited by how not great KU is.
It has nothing to do with BID. Nothing. It has everything to do with how awful the conference is. Don’t get me wrong, there have been moments. Florida was a nice win (however Tenn and MU kind of muted that win, imo, but at the time it was nice), Rod just blowing up in the 2nd half of the OSU game was nice, and I personally enjoyed beating Huggins at WVU.
they are arguably a veteran player away from being in the lead of the big 12 this year and have one of the best home courts in all of college basketball. sorry if that is 'low basketball iq'.
Its a little hard to judge b/c of the transfers, but they are arguably the most experienced team in the league. 3 of 5 starters are SRs, and 4 of their main 6 man rotation are SRs. Niang and Ejim are nice returners, but they are replacing their entire backcourt next year. It will be interesting to see how they do after Hoiberg played the transfer lottery his first few years.
I've thoroughly enjoyed this season. Guess I'm in the minority. League is down, no question, but we've got a legitimate shot to win the Leage Title for the first time in 25 years.
The football league was down too, but that didn't stop us from enjoying the eff out of this past season.
Trophies are fun.
they are arguably a veteran player away from being in the lead of the big 12 this year and have one of the best home courts in all of college basketball. sorry if that is 'low basketball iq'.
Its a little hard to judge b/c of the transfers, but they are arguably the most experienced team in the league. 3 of 5 starters are SRs, and 4 of their main 6 man rotation are SRs. Niang and Ejim are nice returners, but they are replacing their entire backcourt next year. It will be interesting to see how they do after Hoiberg played the transfer lottery his first few years.
I've thoroughly enjoyed this season. Guess I'm in the minority. League is down, no question, but we've got a legitimate shot to win the Leage Title for the first time in 25 years.
The football league was down too, but that didn't stop us from enjoying the eff out of this past season.
Trophies are fun.
The Big 12 wasn't down in football, LMAO.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
but I find the “excitement” dishonest because we aren’t excited about how good we are, we’re excited by how not great KU is.
they are arguably a veteran player away from being in the lead of the big 12 this year and have one of the best home courts in all of college basketball. sorry if that is 'low basketball iq'.
Its a little hard to judge b/c of the transfers, but they are arguably the most experienced team in the league. 3 of 5 starters are SRs, and 4 of their main 6 man rotation are SRs. Niang and Ejim are nice returners, but they are replacing their entire backcourt next year. It will be interesting to see how they do after Hoiberg played the transfer lottery his first few years.
I think ISU will continue to be a dangerous team that has trouble winning road games because Hoiberg will have no trouble getting shooters to want to play for him and he runs an offense that generates a ton of open 3's. He needs to get better athletes if he wants to get over the hump and start competing with the best in the conference, though.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
Yeah, we played the most difficult football schedule in school history, by far.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
I'm not upset at all at ISU. I'm upset at the Big 12 for hiring that joke of a crew. We just handle things differently. I get pissed about things that any casual observer can see as complete bullshit. You go create threads bashing "Awful Rodriguez". To each his own.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
I'm not upset at all at ISU. I'm upset at the Big 12 for hiring that joke of a crew. We just handle things differently. I get pissed about things that any casual observer can see as complete bullshit. You go create threads bashing "Awful Rodriguez". To each his own.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
I'm not upset at all at ISU. I'm upset at the Big 12 for hiring that joke of a crew. We just handle things differently. I get pissed about things that any casual observer can see as complete bullshit. You go create threads bashing "Awful Rodriguez". To each his own.
so you are assuming that with different officials KU would have lost the game?
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
I'm not upset at all at ISU. I'm upset at the Big 12 for hiring that joke of a crew. We just handle things differently. I get pissed about things that any casual observer can see as complete bullshit. You go create threads bashing "Awful Rodriguez". To each his own.
so you are assuming that with different officials KU would have lost the game?
It wouldn't matter if KU had won or lost. I'm assuming that with different officials KU would not have won a game in which Withey was allowed 6 fouls, an obvious charge was not called at the end of the game, and then the guy who got ran over would not have then been called for a foul when somebody landed on him.
I'm not upset at all at ISU. I'm upset at the Big 12 for hiring that joke of a crew. We just handle things differently. I get pissed about things that any casual observer can see as complete bullshit. You go create threads bashing "Awful Rodriguez". To each his own.
Yeah, I get upset about the actual performance of our team/players, you get upset about fictional officiating conspiracies and horrible officials who have been officiated ncaa title games. I definitely see the difference.
you are just flat out irrational.
you are just flat out irrational.
Yep. There's not a crew in America who would send Withey to the bench after picking up 5 fouls. To think otherwise is just irrational.
Yeah, I get upset about the actual performance of our team/players, you get upset about fictional officiating conspiracies and horrible officials who have been officiated ncaa title games. I definitely see the difference.
you are just flat out irrational.
Yep. There's not a crew in America who would send Withey to the bench after picking up 5 fouls. To think otherwise is just irrational.
in order to do that you have to also concede that his previous 4 fouls were legit too. see where i'm going with this? once you open up that can of worms you can't stop.
you are just flat out irrational.
Yep. There's not a crew in America who would send Withey to the bench after picking up 5 fouls. To think otherwise is just irrational.
in order to do that you have to also concede that his previous 4 fouls were legit too. see where i'm going with this? once you open up that can of worms you can't stop.
No, I don't. Nobody is going to complain if Withey actually doesn't foul out. You don't get to stay on the court with 5 fouls just because looking at the film, it looks like 2 of them might have been bullshit. KU might have won the game with different refs. There should never be an end to a game like the one on Monday, though.
you are just flat out irrational.
Yep. There's not a crew in America who would send Withey to the bench after picking up 5 fouls. To think otherwise is just irrational.
in order to do that you have to also concede that his previous 4 fouls were legit too. see where i'm going with this? once you open up that can of worms you can't stop.
No, I don't. Nobody is going to complain if Withey actually doesn't foul out. You don't get to stay on the court with 5 fouls just because looking at the film, it looks like 2 of them might have been bullshit. KU might have won the game with different refs. There should never be an end to a game like the one on Monday, though.
so your point is that KU should have lost the game?
you are just flat out irrational.
Yep. There's not a crew in America who would send Withey to the bench after picking up 5 fouls. To think otherwise is just irrational.
in order to do that you have to also concede that his previous 4 fouls were legit too. see where i'm going with this? once you open up that can of worms you can't stop.
No, I don't. Nobody is going to complain if Withey actually doesn't foul out. You don't get to stay on the court with 5 fouls just because looking at the film, it looks like 2 of them might have been bullshit. KU might have won the game with different refs. There should never be an end to a game like the one on Monday, though.
so your point is that KU should have lost the game?
My point is that the refs sucked and handed KU the game. Different referees could have resulted in an entirely different game, but they couldn't possibly eff up the end of the game as much as the crew on Monday did.
that is completely irrational. nobody got handed anything.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
been 31 hours for me
Every win is the same, huh? Good for you.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
been 31 hours for me
Every win is the same, huh? Good for you.
This late in the season with this much on the line, hell motherfucking yeah. The hells wrong with you? You must be like 60 years old and have clear memories of our last championship.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
been 31 hours for me
Every win is the same, huh? Good for you.
This late in the season with this much on the line, hell motherfucking yeah. The hells wrong with you? You must be like 60 years old and have clear memories of our last championship.
I mean, it's been two months since we've had a multi-fist-pumpy win.
been 31 hours for me
Every win is the same, huh? Good for you.
This late in the season with this much on the line, hell motherfucking yeah. The hells wrong with you? You must be like 60 years old and have clear memories of our last championship.
Yeah, I knew we had some strange fans, but man. Its amazing the things our own fans are coming up with to seemingly NOT enjoy this season.
Yeah, we played the most difficult football schedule in school history, by far.
Maybe. I still think the league was down on the whole. OU was good. Everybody else was pretty meh, IMO. Baylor and OSU were clearly down from 2011. KSU was up. And everybody else was about the same. KU was arguably the worst D-1 team. Nobody can argue that Tech, TCU, ISU, WVU, were very good. They really weren't.
Fans were excited because of the title run.
The top of the league isn't as good as years like 08-10 obviously, but its not terrible. The big difference is how bad the bottom 4 teams are; its rare to have pretty much 8 guaranteed wins in the league.
It's like having four Nebraskas. Think how boring a league with four Nebraskas would be. I mean, c'mon.
Except there are 4 teams in the league worse than any Nebraska team since 2004.
If you think college basketball is boring then I'm going to assume that means you only follow your own team and don't enjoy the game overall.
If you think college basketball is boring then I'm going to assume that means you only follow your own team and don't enjoy the game overall.
agreed to some extent but even that logic is flawed this late in the season. to watch last night's Minnesota game and not think it may impact a Big 12 team when it comes to NCAA seeding is shortsighted. and to not enjoy last night's Minnesota game is incomprehensible.
the post above yours sums up this thread pretty aptly.
If you think college basketball is boring then I'm going to assume that means you only follow your own team and don't enjoy the game overall.
agreed to some extent but even that logic is flawed this late in the season. to watch last night's Minnesota game and not think it may impact a Big 12 team when it comes to NCAA seeding is shortsighted. and to not enjoy last night's Minnesota game is incomprehensible.
the post above yours sums up this thread pretty aptly.
that is a good point. one thing I find enjoyable is rooting for the team to win that best benefits my team come march. i've been rooting for Ohio State a lot and Florida because it makes those non con wins look better. right?
the post above yours sums up this thread pretty aptly.
the post above yours sums up this thread pretty aptly.
Right. It also sums up our fan base's dumbassery. Frank was an enjoyable character, no doubt. But, above all else, enjoy the rough ridin' winning. my god, our fans need to have perspective. How can anybody not be satisfied or entertained by this title run?
enjoyment isn't binary. fans can enjoy this season while acknowledging that they enjoyed another season more.
enjoyment isn't binary. fans can enjoy this season while acknowledging that they enjoyed another season more.
The title of the thread is "why is this ksu hoops season so boring." If you find this season boring, consider my post. If you don't find the season boring, then great, you're not an idiot.
I can't speak for j rake, but I interpreted it as, "why is this season more boring than it should be with all this winning we're doing?" And I agree with him that it's more boring than it should be, due to the absurdly low quality our league has sunk to this year (see: four Nebraskas-but-worse).
If we were in The Valley, we would win a ton (hell, WSU wins in that league, lol), but it would be boring as eff, don't argue.
I can't speak for j rake, but I interpreted it as, "why is this season more boring than it should be with all this winning we're doing?" And I agree with him that it's more boring than it should be, due to the absurdly low quality our league has sunk to this year (see: four Nebraskas-but-worse).
If we were in The Valley, we would win a ton (hell, WSU wins in that league, lol), but it would be boring as eff, don't argue.
This "absurdly low quality" league is going to send 6 teams to the NCAA. KSU, KU, OSU, OU, ISU, and probably Baylor. Basically, the same group of teams that have been in the last 5-6 years, switching UT and OU.
Overall, the league is down. No question. Our team, on the other hand, is up. so, enjoy it. that's all.
My Conference Bball rankings:
1) big 10
2) Big East
3) BigXII
3) ACC
5) Pac12
6) SEC
If Baylor dances, that probably means we finished the year out 1-2, so congrats, you're rooting for us to finish 3rd in this horrible league. :dubious:
I can't speak for j rake, but I interpreted it as, "why is this season more boring than it should be with all this winning we're doing?" And I agree with him that it's more boring than it should be, due to the absurdly low quality our league has sunk to this year (see: four Nebraskas-but-worse).
If we were in The Valley, we would win a ton (hell, WSU wins in that league, lol), but it would be boring as eff, don't argue.
This "absurdly low quality" league is going to send 6 teams to the NCAA. KSU, KU, OSU, OU, ISU, and probably Baylor. Basically, the same group of teams that have been in the last 5-6 years, switching UT and OU.
Overall, the league is down. No question. Our team, on the other hand, is up. so, enjoy it. that's all.
This is fine for in the season discussion, but ultimately we've reached the point where this season will be defined by what oscar does in March.
KU coming back to the pack and us being in the Big 12 title chase has been really fun for me, but its really gravy.
At the end of the day, especially when looking at a 4/5 seed now minimum, the perceptions of this season will swing based on what happens in the tornament. Personally, I will be disappointed if we don't make the 2nd weekend; and regardless of match-ups etc. I think that's become a reasonable expectation.
good post by j rake.
the composition of the big 12 is less interesting than ever, the quality of the big 12 is worse than ever and most of our games aren't competitive.
Yeah, Texas and WVU will def be back to respectable soon unless one of them does something stupid with their coach.
ISU was absolute crap for so long, now that they look to be at least mediocre, once WVU and Texas bounce back to normal, the league will be really good.
This is fine for in the season discussion, but ultimately we've reached the point where this season will be defined by what oscar does in March.
KU coming back to the pack and us being in the Big 12 title chase has been really fun for me, but its really gravy.
At the end of the day, especially when looking at a 4/5 seed now minimum, the perceptions of this season will swing based on what happens in the tornament. Personally, I will be disappointed if we don't make the 2nd weekend; and regardless of match-ups etc. I think that's become a reasonable expectation.
Yeah, Texas and WVU will def be back to respectable soon unless one of them does something stupid with their coach.
ISU was absolute crap for so long, now that they look to be at least mediocre, once WVU and Texas bounce back to normal, the league will be really good.
If you trust the staying power of OSU under Ford and Baylor under Drew. And ISU without transfers.
And oscar.
good post by j rake.
the composition of the big 12 is less interesting than ever, the quality of the big 12 is worse than ever and most of our games aren't competitive.
This is why I'm ready for KU to go to the Big 10. If the Big 12 doesn't add Louisville and maybe Cincinnati or Florida State, then it's time to throw in the towel on this league and it's small minded shareholders.
good post by j rake.
the composition of the big 12 is less interesting than ever, the quality of the big 12 is worse than ever and most of our games aren't competitive.
This is why I'm ready for KU to go to the Big 10. If the Big 12 doesn't add Louisville and maybe Cincinnati or Florida State, then it's time to throw in the towel on this league and it's small minded shareholders.
good post by j rake.
the composition of the big 12 is less interesting than ever, the quality of the big 12 is worse than ever and most of our games aren't competitive.
This is why I'm ready for KU to go to the Big 10. If the Big 12 doesn't add Louisville and maybe Cincinnati or Florida State, then it's time to throw in the towel on this league and it's small minded shareholders.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
I'm not upset at all at ISU. I'm upset at the Big 12 for hiring that joke of a crew. We just handle things differently. I get pissed about things that any casual observer can see as complete bullshit. You go create threads bashing "Awful Rodriguez". To each his own.
so you are assuming that with different officials KU would have lost the game?
It wouldn't matter if KU had won or lost. I'm assuming that with different officials KU would not have won a game in which Withey was allowed 6 fouls, an obvious charge was not called at the end of the game, and then the guy who got ran over would not have then been called for a foul when somebody landed on him.
I find it hilarious that people on this board melted down harder after an ISU home loss to KU than a KSU home loss to KU. And when I see that, I ask “why?”. And the answer is that no one, and I mean NO ONE, thought we were actually going to compete for a title when we lost to KU at home and it was only after KU lost to OU that there was legitimate hope. So to acting like “oh man, we’ve felt like we were competing this whole season, man it’s been exciting, fist pump after beating WVU at home” is disingenuous. You didn’t believe before, you didn’t really care before, don’t act like you really had been. But that would take being honest with yourself.
It's a whole lot harder to get pissed off at a bunch of kids who aren't getting paid and are trying their hardest but just can't get it done than it is to get pissed off because the Big 12 hires fat, lazy, shitty referees to do their games and they eff over Kansas State with their incompetence.
Pro-tip: 55-59 would have solved our problems, not a blown call. KSU failed, not the refs.
We didn't get mumped over in 55-59, though. Our players just had a bad game.
While ISU got some bad calls, they had every chance to (a) get the rebound from EJ’s miss and didn’t, (b) defend every 3 EJ hit in the final minute, (c) hit free throws, (d) not take a 30ft desperation 3 when you had 4.9 seconds on the clock in regulation.
But continue to be upset at ISU rather than KSU not doing what TCU could.
Why are you melting down about this? Iowa State shot 34 free throws and had 15 fouls compared to 22 for KU. How does a team that shoots 41 threes shoot 34 free throws and foul out KU's big man? The officials missed calls all night, but you're fixated on the last few calls because they crushed your dreams and hopes.
The bottom of the BiG is dreadful, simply awful.
The bottom of the BiG is dreadful, simply awful.
It's not as bad as the bottom of the Big 12. Games against Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Maryland, etc. would beat the crap out of whatever schedule we've got now.
Yeah, Texas and WVU will def be back to respectable soon unless one of them does something stupid with their coach.
ISU was absolute crap for so long, now that they look to be at least mediocre, once WVU and Texas bounce back to normal, the league will be really good.
If you trust the staying power of OSU under Ford and Baylor under Drew. And ISU without transfers.
And oscar.
The bottom of the BiG is dreadful, simply awful.
It's not as bad as the bottom of the Big 12. Games against Indiana, Michigan, Michigan St, Ohio St, Illinois, Minnesota, Wisconsin, Maryland, etc. would beat the crap out of whatever schedule we've got now.
GREAT THREAD!
GREAT THREAD!
Why don't we move to the Missouri Valley? We would probably win more in that conference. So more fun! :ksu:
Yeah, Texas and WVU will def be back to respectable soon unless one of them does something stupid with their coach.
ISU was absolute crap for so long, now that they look to be at least mediocre, once WVU and Texas bounce back to normal, the league will be really good.
If you trust the staying power of OSU under Ford and Baylor under Drew. And ISU without transfers.
And oscar.
I trust the staying power of OSU and Boone's money as well as scott drew's recruiting.
Scott Drew's recruiting has them cruising toward the NIT at the moment. Just sayin'.
i would describe this season as having a certain "inevitability" to it, which has made it boring.
Why don't we move to the Missouri Valley? We would probably win more in that conference. So more fun! :ksu:
how do you think KU feels?
Scott Drew's recruiting has them cruising toward the NIT at the moment. Just sayin'.
The pattern lately is that every few years his talented players overcome his coaching and they end up in the Elite 8.
Scott Drew's recruiting has them cruising toward the NIT at the moment. Just sayin'.
The pattern lately is that every few years his talented players overcome his coaching and they end up in the Elite 8.
:rolleyes:
I'm not convinced that interest is down. I don't know what it would take to show that. At the same time, if I imagine changing every factor suggested here independently - from oscar to rules changes to conference strength - I don't see how the level of interest would be all that different.
I'm not convinced that interest is down. I don't know what it would take to show that. At the same time, if I imagine changing every factor suggested here independently - from oscar to rules changes to conference strength - I don't see how the level of interest would be all that different.
Well, you could point out attendance.
inevitability. we're stuck with a season of inevitability. CRAP.
and the worst thing isn't just the inevitability, it's the certain inevitability that makes it so bad.
after giving this more thought, i have decided that oscar weber is to blame. he is quite possibly the most uninteresting, most uninspiring coach in the country, and in turn, k-state is one of the most uninteresting "good" teams this year. oscar has no sideline demeanor and looks pathetic in his suits. he is perceived to be a "good basketball mind," but because he looks pathetic, none of us actually believes that to be true. he's not brash, he's not arrogant, he's not a great recruiter, he's not a tactician, he's not a screamer. he's just ... pathetic.
this year's k-state team is missing a storyline. it's one of the few teams in the country that does not have one. while it's true that they've gotten better as the season has progressed, it has been pretty steady all along - good, yes, but never bordering on great. usually, k-state gets off to a crappy start in Big 12 play, frank talks about how awful the team is, and then they climb the standings (and rankings) before positioning themselves for a postseason run. this year's team has been clearly inferior to KU, and the teams below them - especially at the bottom - have never been a threat to catch up.
i would describe this season as having a certain "inevitability" to it, which has made it boring.
also, oscar.
after giving this more thought, i have decided that oscar weber is to blame. he is quite possibly the most uninteresting, most uninspiring coach in the country, and in turn, k-state is one of the most uninteresting "good" teams this year. oscar has no sideline demeanor and looks pathetic in his suits. he is perceived to be a "good basketball mind," but because he looks pathetic, none of us actually believes that to be true. he's not brash, he's not arrogant, he's not a great recruiter, he's not a tactician, he's not a screamer. he's just ... pathetic.
this year's k-state team is missing a storyline. it's one of the few teams in the country that does not have one. while it's true that they've gotten better as the season has progressed, it has been pretty steady all along - good, yes, but never bordering on great. usually, k-state gets off to a crappy start in Big 12 play, frank talks about how awful the team is, and then they climb the standings (and rankings) before positioning themselves for a postseason run. this year's team has been clearly inferior to KU, and the teams below them - especially at the bottom - have never been a threat to catch up.
i would describe this season as having a certain "inevitability" to it, which has made it boring.
also, oscar.
storyline:CURRIE'SSHANNON'S REDEMPTION!
good post by j rake.
the composition of the big 12 is less interesting than ever, the quality of the big 12 is worse than ever and most of our games aren't competitive.
This is why I'm ready for KU to go to the Big 10. If the Big 12 doesn't add Louisville and maybe Cincinnati or Florida State, then it's time to throw in the towel on this league and it's small minded shareholders.
good post by j rake.
the composition of the big 12 is less interesting than ever, the quality of the big 12 is worse than ever and most of our games aren't competitive.
This is why I'm ready for KU to go to the Big 10. If the Big 12 doesn't add Louisville and maybe Cincinnati or Florida State, then it's time to throw in the towel on this league and it's small minded shareholders.
Wouldn't a basketball only conference make more sense? :dunno:
If we win out, do we cut down nets in Stillwater? Would rough ridin' LOVE that.
If we win out, do we cut down nets in Stillwater? Would rough ridin' LOVE that.
If we win out, do we cut down nets in Stillwater? Would rough ridin' LOVE that.
Yep. Team backflips too. Also, oscar to waltz across the court from the bench to where the post game interview is.
possible story lines:
- goofy white kid with a girlish voice makes the final four despite glaring athletic limitations
- short marginally athletic hispanic pg who has a 15 inch vertical becomes one of the top 4 PG's in the big 12
- thomas gipson becomes the first player to make an elite 8 with man boobs since charles barkley
- oscar weber proves that his bright orange blazer wasn't the source of his coaching mojo
suck my dick, this thread
Just get oscar that co-Big 12 championship, and he'll be at K-State for at least 10 more years.while you are most likely accurate, as a BiD'r I tell myself this title will be what Currie needs to get hired away and a new AD will want his own guy.
:love: :love: :love:
Just get oscar that co-Big 12 championship, and he'll be at K-State for at least 10 more years.
:love: :love: :love:
Just get oscar that co-Big 12 championship, and he'll be at K-State for at least 10 more years.
:love: :love: :love:
:bball:
Re: Why is KSU good?
I want to say it's an anomaly, but they've be consistently mediocre.
They aren't a great shooting team, their defense is over rated, they don't rebound well, and they have one good player, yet here they are on the brink of sharing a BIG XII title with us.
It's a fair question. They really aren't the kind of team I'd worry about going off and lighting it up. They're more of the team that plays pretty good defense and doesn't beat themselves. They're record is good and they have beaten Florida; they really aren't bad at all this year
Re: Why is KSU good? (3 votes)
Because we lost to Ok St, TCU and OU in one week.
Well we blew the game at TCU and that's really the only reason they have any kind of shot at at all. That and they pulled games at WVU, at OU and at Baylor straight out of their butts.
LUCK
Pure and simple. They've played way over their heads in conference. Look for them to be way overseeded in the NCAA tourney and be ripe for an upset.
Angel is allowed twelve or thirteen uncalled fouls per game. He absolutely beats the ball handlers to death and never or very rarely gets into foul trouble. If he can get away with it, good for him.
The answer to the subject line is easy, they're not very good. KenPom ranks them 19th luckiest out of 340-some. Their record in one-possession games is 5-0. They've struggled against awful teams like George Washington, Delaware, West Virginia, and UMKC but come away with wins in all cases.
Angel is allowed twelve or thirteen uncalled fouls per game. He absolutely beats the ball handlers to death and never or very rarely gets into foul trouble. If he can get away with it, good for him.
yeah, our JV being beyond terrible hasn't helped the kenpom rating.
Also, I love these like our KU bros must love people bitching about WitheyQuoteAngel is allowed twelve or thirteen uncalled fouls per game. He absolutely beats the ball handlers to death and never or very rarely gets into foul trouble. If he can get away with it, good for him.
Is this our 2011 football season all over again?
I would trade losses like we had today for wins like we had against TCU and Tech any day.