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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Powercat Posse on February 25, 2013, 10:43:57 PM
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So up 5 with 35 seconds left. KU ball.
Let KU get all the 2s they want. So u probably should have 5 guards out there and switch all screens
Withey sets a screen for EJ. Niang is nowhere in sight to help on the ball screen. He is lost, trying to worry about the basket.
EJ comes off screen and hits a 3 with no one in his face.
Hoiberg is absolutely CLUELESS on how to gameplan on defense.
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Yeah I wonder if taking a TO near the end (I think they had one) would have been better.
Young team, shell shocked, they needed to regroup.
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He is the Paul Rhodes of college hoops. He is perfect for them and their love of mediocrity.
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He is the Paul Rhodes of college hoops. He is perfect for them and their love of mediocrity.
I feel like this sums up Iowa State University perfectly
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It didn't matter. ISU did what they needed to do by setting up and drawing a charge on the next possession.
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He is the Paul Rhodes of college hoops. He is perfect for them and their love of mediocrity.
I feel like this sums up Iowa State University perfectly
Can confirm. The losers from from the Skunk River Sewers were just happy to be close.
I'd feel pity for them if I thought they'd care.
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And then he did his best Travis Ford impression =
4.9 seconds. Lets have our PG dribble down the court and shoot a 30 foot shot. Seriously, you dont have a better offensive play to run than that?
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He was a pussy for not assaulting the refs at the end of the game imho
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I am really going to hate Niang too.... especially if that dude is here all 4 years.
He is a really good player, but he was just flat awful tonight. 3-17 from the field ad 0-8 on 2pt shots, and snagged a whopping 2 reb
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He was a pussy for not assaulting the refs at the end of the game imho
Appeared as though he yelled at one of the refs after the game when the ref wasn't looking. I don't think that counts. Kind of soft, to say the least.
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He was a pussy for not assaulting the refs at the end of the game imho
Appeared as though he yelled at one of the refs after the game when the ref wasn't looking. I don't think that counts. Kind of soft, to say the least.
He did, and I believe he threw his dry erase market at that ref's feet. He high tailed it out of there by the time the ref turned around, though.
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You people are idiots.
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So the 4 close games that Isu lost late
With 2:00 on the clock in the 2nd half --
at KU ... Isu had 4 pt lead
at Osu ... Isu had 4 pt lead
at Tex... Isu had 5 pt lead
KU .... Isu had 4 pt lead
at KU .... KU had 10 pts in 5 poss last 2:00
at Osu .... Osu had 6 pts in 5 poss last2:00
at Tex ... UT had 9 pts in 5 poss last 2:00
KU .... KU had 10 pts in 4 poss last 2:00
35 points. 19 Poss. Hey Mr Mayor, u might want to get a stop. 0-4 is what Pussy coached teams do
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So the 4 close games that Isu lost late
With 2:00 on the clock in the 2nd half --
at KU ... Isu had 4 pt lead
at Osu ... Isu had 4 pt lead
at Tex... Isu had 5 pt lead
KU .... Isu had 4 pt lead
at KU .... KU had 10 pts in 5 poss last 2:00
at Osu .... Osu had 6 pts in 5 poss last2:00
at Tex ... UT had 9 pts in 5 poss last 2:00
KU .... KU had 10 pts in 4 poss last 2:00
35 points. 19 Poss. Hey Mr Mayor, u might want to get a stop. 0-4 is what Pussy coached teams do
:sdeek:
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Do you really expect "the best shooter ever" to know anything about defense? You people need some common sense sprinkled in every once in a while. Things shock people on this site a little too easily and its scary.
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Also disappointing to get your 81% FT shooting PG with 12 seconds left and he makes 1 of 2.
There were very questionable calls at the end, but ISU found a way to lose a close game. Again.
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
Yeah.
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And his "close game" record really isn't that bad.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/fred-hoiberg/career_record
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I hate babb did not feel bad for him
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He was a pussy for not assaulting the refs at the end of the game imho
Appeared as though he yelled at one of the refs after the game when the ref wasn't looking. I don't think that counts. Kind of soft, to say the least.
He did, and I believe he threw his dry erase market at that ref's feet. He high tailed it out of there by the time the ref turned around, though.
Heh, what a sissy
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
I used to think the same thing about Jim Woolridge
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
I used to think the same thing about Jim Woolridge
Woolridge couldn't even sniff the NIT.
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
I used to think the same thing about Jim Woolridge
Jim wasn't that bad in close games either, his problem was he got blown out a shitload.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/jim-wooldridge/career_record
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Keepers of the Faith!
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
I used to think the same thing about Jim Woolridge
Imagine that. A close game record near 50%.
http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/jim-wooldridge/career_record (http://statsheet.com/mcb/coaches/jim-wooldridge/career_record)
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I mean, he beat oscar and Huggs in close games this year. PP is a stats guy, he needs to be more rational. I expect you to react emotionally, Limestone, it's what you do and I love you for it.
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close game record is a bullshit stat imo
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Rusty, let me bait ISU fans in peace.
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Hoiberg is fine. His bad luck at ends of games will balance out eventually.
Clones are #299 in kenpom's "Luck" rating.
Hawks are #181.
Cats are #20.
Luck - A measure of the deviation between a team’s actual winning percentage and what one would expect from its game-by-game efficiencies. It’s a Dean Oliver invention. Essentially, a team involved in a lot of close games should not win (or lose) all of them. Those that do will be viewed as lucky (or unlucky).
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I think a good team that plays slow should win more close games than a good team that plays fast, simply because those last few possessions of the game constitute a higher percentage of the overall possessions in the game. It would be interesting to see the stats.
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The "non call" is a legit point, but...
Making 1 of 2 FTs on the other end, allowing the non-call to be a factor and not a (likely) contested 3?
1.3 points per possession and 64% eFG% allowed, AND KU rebounded 40% of their misses?
28% on 2s?
Hitting 1 of 9 from 3 the last 3 minutes and OT?
I'm don't feel sorry for ISU. They blew the game.
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The "non call" is a legit point, but...
Making 1 of 2 FTs on the other end, allowing the non-call to be a factor and not a (likely) contested 3?
1.3 points per possession and 64% eFG% allowed, AND KU rebounded 40% of their misses?
28% on 2s?
Hitting 1 of 9 from 3 the last 3 minutes and OT?
I'm don't feel sorry for ISU. They blew the game.
OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
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I've said before that I thought he was a good coach. :facepalm:
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
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NBA shotclock
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I don't begrudge Hoiberg for shooting early in the shot clock on those possessions. It's hard to get a good shot when you hold the ball and try to use the full shot clock. The Cyclones won on the court. The refs decided to take over the game and give it to KU instead.
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The "non call" is a legit point, but...
Making 1 of 2 FTs on the other end, allowing the non-call to be a factor and not a (likely) contested 3?
1.3 points per possession and 64% eFG% allowed, AND KU rebounded 40% of their misses?
28% on 2s?
Hitting 1 of 9 from 3 the last 3 minutes and OT?
I'm don't feel sorry for ISU. They blew the game.
OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
Was there a reason for this? I had the game on mute and couldn't figure this out
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The "non call" is a legit point, but...
Making 1 of 2 FTs on the other end, allowing the non-call to be a factor and not a (likely) contested 3?
1.3 points per possession and 64% eFG% allowed, AND KU rebounded 40% of their misses?
28% on 2s?
Hitting 1 of 9 from 3 the last 3 minutes and OT?
I'm don't feel sorry for ISU. They blew the game.
OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
Was there a reason for this? I had the game on mute and couldn't figure this out
Kevin Young raised his hand and the refs agreed to give Withey's 5th foul to him instead.
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The one that Withey reached clear across the guards body and Young didn't seem involved? Makes sense for this game I guess
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The one that Withey reached clear across the guards body and Young didn't seem involved? Makes sense for this game I guess
Yeah, that was the one. This loss is on ISU, though. They should have shot 100% from the field, used the full shot clock every possession, and blocked every shot KU put up. Sure, KU would get some points on bogus foul calls, but ISU wins in that scenario every time.
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I hate to say the officials cost anybody the game but last nights game was as close as it gets. Iowa St/Hoiberg didn't do everything perfect by any stretch but they did enough.
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I hate to say the officials cost anybody the game but last nights game was as close as it gets. Iowa St/Hoiberg didn't do everything perfect by any stretch but they did enough.
I agree that there were multiple bad calls in the last minute. The non-call then foul on the ground on the last possession were really bad.
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You people talking about feeling sorry for ISU or not are missing the point. Feel sorry for EMAW.
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
I mean, it's really hard to blame their offense, too. Hoi's OEFF have been the second and third worst KU games this year.
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I hate to say the officials cost anybody the game but last nights game was as close as it gets. Iowa St/Hoiberg didn't do everything perfect by any stretch but they did enough.
I agree that there were multiple bad calls in the last minute. The non-call then foul on the ground on the last possession were really bad.
Yea, if they had both been no calls, I get "let the players decide it" to a point (still would disagree but know its a view that some have). But to not call the obvious and then call a questionable at best is incredibly weird and inconsistent.
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
I mean, it's really hard to blame their offense, too. Hoi's OEFF have been the second and third worst KU games this year.
They made a record number or 3's.
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
I mean, it's really hard to blame their offense, too. Hoi's OEFF have been the second and third worst KU games this year.
True, their offense was really good and with around 4 minutes to go they were 16-32 from 3. It was pretty amazing that they were hit 28% from 2 though. And I partially couldn't blame the quick shots because they were shooting so well and I like the attack mode. But you always like things until they don't work, which is the only reason I'm questioning it. If they had hit one of those 3 shots they win the game most likely.
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
I mean, it's really hard to blame their offense, too. Hoi's OEFF have been the second and third worst KU games this year.
True, their offense was really good and with around 4 minutes to go they were 16-32 from 3. It was pretty amazing that they were hit 28% from 2 though. And I partially couldn't blame the quick shots because they were shooting so well and I like the attack mode. But you always like things until they don't work, which is the only reason I'm questioning it. If they had hit one of those 3 shots they win the game most likely.
This is just like the foul discussion. I think you're a little too emotional. (I would quantify this if I could. :D)
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This is just like the foul discussion. I think you're a little too emotional. (I would quantify this if I could. :D)
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
I mean, it's really hard to blame their offense, too. Hoi's OEFF have been the second and third worst KU games this year.
They made a record number or 3's.
limestone, you miss 100% of the threes your coach doesn't let you take.
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OT probably goes a bit differently as well if Withey isn't on the floor with 5 fouls . . .
OT shouldn't have been a factor.
In addition to that, from the 5 minute mark to the 3 minute mark ISU had 3 possessions with leads of 5, 5, and 2 points. In those possessions ISU used 20 seconds, 5 seconds, and 15 seconds of possession before shooting a shot. Surely the Mayor and his Rolodex of NBA plays has some better sets to use 25 seconds of clock, but still generate a decent 3. (I don't begrudge ISU shooting 3s, if anything they should have shot more the way they shot the ball from 2.)
I mean, it's really hard to blame their offense, too. Hoi's OEFF have been the second and third worst KU games this year.
They made a record number or 3's.
limestone, you miss 100% of the threes your coach doesn't let you take.
OEFF
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
WHOA :sdeek:
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
just watched it on ESPN3. was definitely along those lines, whatever he said.
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You people talking about feeling sorry for ISU or not are missing the point. Feel sorry for EMAW.
Yeah. IDGAF that ISU got screwed. It just sucks that K-State probably just got mumped out of a Big 12 Championship because of the worst officiating that I have ever seen in any sport at any level.
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
Ok now I'm back to loving Fred again.
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
Ok now I'm back to loving Fred again.
And Paul Rhodes
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
Ok now I'm back to loving Fred again.
And Paul Rhodes
lol
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Is Fred the Big 12's new Doc Sadler?
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Is Fred the Big 12's new Doc Sadler?
No, there is no Doc except for the Doc.
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
Ok now I'm back to loving Fred again.
And Paul Rhodes
Putting words in peoples' mouths never get you anywhere.
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Is Fred the Big 12's new Doc Sadler?
Trent Johnson is the closest thing.
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Rumor has it Hoi told the refs "Get the eff out of my gym" when he confronted them and pointed to the exit after the game. Need a gif.
Ok now I'm back to loving Fred again.
And Paul Rhodes
Putting words in peoples' mouths never get you anywhere.
I thought u loved HCPR?
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Is Fred the Big 12's new Doc Sadler?
Trent Johnson is the closest thing.
Yes, but he's not really on Doc's level. Maybe Tech will actually hire Doc after this season and we can have him back.
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I mean, he beat oscar and Huggs in close games this year. PP is a stats guy, he needs to be more rational. I expect you to react emotionally, Limestone, it's what you do and I love you for it.
My issue is not just with losing close games, but how they are losing them. They had a 4 or 5 point lead when the clock said 2:00 in the 2nd half (and i think twice they had the ball) and lost all 4 of those games
They beat WV by 2 pts and Baylor by 5 pts this year.
They were up 6 pts with the ball vs WV at 2:00 and almost choked that game. WV tied it before Isu won it with basket with 3 seconds left
In baylor game they were up 7 with 2:00 left
We had some close losses last year. In Big 12, Kstate was 2-4 in games decided by 4 pts or less.
Lost by 2,2,3,4 pts..... and only one of them were we ahead at 2:00 (and ahead by 3 pts, so 1 possession not 2)
Won by 1 and 4 pts..... We were behind at Baylor by 1 point with 2:00 and won by 1. Up 4 with 2:00 vs Texas and won by 4
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
Why not use the score at the 30 second mark?
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
would you think more of him as a coach if he was down 10 at the 2:00 mark and lost by 10? probably, because you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
Why not use the score at the 30 second mark?
because at best, each team is getting only 1 possession so that would be stupid
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
would you think more of him as a coach if he was down 10 at the 2:00 mark and lost by 10? probably, because you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
I'd say the team sucks then. When they're leading by 2+ possessions at the 2 minute mark and they lose all 4 games you deserve to be called a shitty coach. Some of it can be players/refs but it is a sign of poor coaching
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The point is that coaches don't win or lose close games at the end of the game. There is way too much that happens beyond the control of the coach. Good coaches get most of their wins in blowout fashion so the element of chance is taken away. Hoiberg's team did everything they needed to to come away with a win last night. They were hosed by the refs. If they were blowing out KU, that wouldn't have happened, but KU is a pretty good team themselves.
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I mean, he beat oscar and Huggs in close games this year. PP is a stats guy, he needs to be more rational. I expect you to react emotionally, Limestone, it's what you do and I love you for it.
My issue is not just with losing close games, but how they are losing them. They had a 4 or 5 point lead when the clock said 2:00 in the 2nd half (and i think twice they had the ball) and lost all 4 of those games
They beat WV by 2 pts and Baylor by 5 pts this year.
They were up 6 pts with the ball vs WV at 2:00 and almost choked that game. WV tied it before Isu won it with basket with 3 seconds left
In baylor game they were up 7 with 2:00 left
We had some close losses last year. In Big 12, Kstate was 2-4 in games decided by 4 pts or less.
Lost by 2,2,3,4 pts..... and only one of them were we ahead at 2:00 (and ahead by 3 pts, so 1 possession not 2)
Won by 1 and 4 pts..... We were behind at Baylor by 1 point with 2:00 and won by 1. Up 4 with 2:00 vs Texas and won by 4
And I'm saying this isn't some systematic problem for Hoiberg, it's just a string of bad luck this year. Here are some examples from last year:
Down 3 at the 2:00, won by 2:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/31/kansas-state-70-iowa-state-72-2012/play_by_play
Tied at 1:45, won by 4:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/02/25/iowa-state-65-kansas-state-61/play_by_play
Up 3 at 2:00, won by 8:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/28/kansas-64-iowa-state-72/play_by_play
Down 3 at 2:00, won by 3:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/18/oklahoma-state-68-iowa-state-71/play_by_play
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PP, I wonder how ISU was in choose games last year when they had a stud to play through Srthe end of games. I know they beat us twice in close games.
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
would you think more of him as a coach if he was down 10 at the 2:00 mark and lost by 10? probably, because you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
I'd say the team sucks then. When they're leading by 2+ possessions at the 2 minute mark and they lose all 4 games you deserve to be called a shitty coach. Some of it can be players/refs but it is a sign of poor coaching
Totally agree. Its not all Hoiberg's fault but I dont care if my coach was Frank oscar or Bill Self...... If my team had a 2 possession lead with 2:00 to go and i found a way to lose them all.... i would be pissed off at my team and especially at my coach.
Sure there is some emotion in my reaction as a KU loss would have been big for us.... but i have been telling my friends how poor Isu and Hoiberg have been late in games for several weeks. I just rolled my eyes every time. This time i am rolling my eyes and saying a few swear words with it.
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Why does the score at the 2:00 mark matter?
Because its like, the very end of the game and they choke it away :dunno:
would you think more of him as a coach if he was down 10 at the 2:00 mark and lost by 10? probably, because you're letting your emotions get the best of you.
I'd say the team sucks then. When they're leading by 2+ possessions at the 2 minute mark and they lose all 4 games you deserve to be called a shitty coach. Some of it can be players/refs but it is a sign of poor coaching
Totally agree. Its not all Hoiberg's fault but I dont care if my coach was Frank oscar or Bill Self...... If my team had a 2 possession lead with 2:00 to go and i found a way to lose them all....
A big problem problem with your premise is he hasn't found a way to lose them all.
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I mean, he beat oscar and Huggs in close games this year. PP is a stats guy, he needs to be more rational. I expect you to react emotionally, Limestone, it's what you do and I love you for it.
My issue is not just with losing close games, but how they are losing them. They had a 4 or 5 point lead when the clock said 2:00 in the 2nd half (and i think twice they had the ball) and lost all 4 of those games
They beat WV by 2 pts and Baylor by 5 pts this year.
They were up 6 pts with the ball vs WV at 2:00 and almost choked that game. WV tied it before Isu won it with basket with 3 seconds left
In baylor game they were up 7 with 2:00 left
We had some close losses last year. In Big 12, Kstate was 2-4 in games decided by 4 pts or less.
Lost by 2,2,3,4 pts..... and only one of them were we ahead at 2:00 (and ahead by 3 pts, so 1 possession not 2)
Won by 1 and 4 pts..... We were behind at Baylor by 1 point with 2:00 and won by 1. Up 4 with 2:00 vs Texas and won by 4
And I'm saying this isn't some systematic problem for Hoiberg, it's just a string of bad luck this year. Here are some examples from last year:
Down 3 at the 2:00, won by 2:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/31/kansas-state-70-iowa-state-72-2012/play_by_play
Tied at 1:45, won by 4:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/02/25/iowa-state-65-kansas-state-61/play_by_play
Up 3 at 2:00, won by 8:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/28/kansas-64-iowa-state-72/play_by_play
Down 3 at 2:00, won by 3:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/18/oklahoma-state-68-iowa-state-71/play_by_play
Good find. So 3 times last year they were tied or behind by 1 possession late and won the game. Although I would not refer to that as having good luck just like i would not say that this year is having bad luck
Its just my opinion (and you obviously have yours) but Hoiberg has done a piss poor job of gameplanning on defense this year when his team has a 2 possession lead late. 35 points in 19 possessions late in those 4 games proved costly.
His fault or not, his team failed to foul in certain situations and 3 pointers cost him. Last night his team was totally lost on defense on the 3 pointer that Johnson hit to cut the lead from 5 to 2 pts with 30 seconds left.
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I don't understand how anybody can say that Hoiberg was not a victim of bad luck last night. His offense created 3 open looks, and his defense set up perfectly to force a turnover on KU's last possession in regulation up by 2 points.
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I mean, he beat oscar and Huggs in close games this year. PP is a stats guy, he needs to be more rational. I expect you to react emotionally, Limestone, it's what you do and I love you for it.
My issue is not just with losing close games, but how they are losing them. They had a 4 or 5 point lead when the clock said 2:00 in the 2nd half (and i think twice they had the ball) and lost all 4 of those games
They beat WV by 2 pts and Baylor by 5 pts this year.
They were up 6 pts with the ball vs WV at 2:00 and almost choked that game. WV tied it before Isu won it with basket with 3 seconds left
In baylor game they were up 7 with 2:00 left
We had some close losses last year. In Big 12, Kstate was 2-4 in games decided by 4 pts or less.
Lost by 2,2,3,4 pts..... and only one of them were we ahead at 2:00 (and ahead by 3 pts, so 1 possession not 2)
Won by 1 and 4 pts..... We were behind at Baylor by 1 point with 2:00 and won by 1. Up 4 with 2:00 vs Texas and won by 4
And I'm saying this isn't some systematic problem for Hoiberg, it's just a string of bad luck this year. Here are some examples from last year:
Down 3 at the 2:00, won by 2:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/31/kansas-state-70-iowa-state-72-2012/play_by_play
Tied at 1:45, won by 4:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/02/25/iowa-state-65-kansas-state-61/play_by_play
Up 3 at 2:00, won by 8:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/28/kansas-64-iowa-state-72/play_by_play
Down 3 at 2:00, won by 3:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/games/2012/01/18/oklahoma-state-68-iowa-state-71/play_by_play
Good find. So 3 times last year they were tied or behind by 1 possession late and won the game. Although I would not refer to that as having good luck just like i would not say that this year is having bad luck
Its just my opinion (and you obviously have yours) but Hoiberg has done a piss poor job of gameplanning on defense this year when his team has a 2 possession lead late. 35 points in 19 possessions late in those 4 games proved costly.
His fault or not, his team failed to foul in certain situations and 3 pointers cost him. Last night his team was totally lost on defense on the 3 pointer that Johnson hit to cut the lead from 5 to 2 pts with 30 seconds left.
Yes, his come-from-behind wins last year are partially due to good luck. And I didn't look very hard, there could have been more games they have come from behind in. I'm certain there's been more games with a two-possession lead or less with 2 minutes left that he won.
And yeah, I don't believe the results of 19 possessions out of 1900+ this season alone means Hoiberg has a "pussy-coached team" or is "clueless". He may have some room to improve, but his overall results show that he is a fine coach.
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Is Fred the Big 12's new Doc Sadler?
Trent Johnson is the closest thing.
oscar weber is the closest thing, actually.
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I'd say that one KU assistant is the closest right now.
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You all are wasting time who is the next Doc. No one can ever match the greatness that is Doc. He and his teams were so adorable, can't get enough of that guy.
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You all are wasting time who is the next Doc. No one can ever match the greatness that is Doc. He and his teams were so adorable, can't get enough of that guy.
I wish he were our DOBO.
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You all are wasting time who is the next Doc. No one can ever match the greatness that is Doc. He and his teams were so adorable, can't get enough of that guy.
I wish he were our DOBO.
As you should. You would get cute things like this before games https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vGLUV2LJezc
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If I were AD and Doc were my DOBO, I would have an area right behind the bench where the seat is cut out so Doc would have more room to squat. Doc prefers to squat, not sit, and I would do everything in my power to cater to the talent.
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If I were AD and Doc were my DOBO, I would have an area right behind the bench where the seat is cut out so Doc would have more room to squat. Doc prefers to squat, not sit, and I would do everything in my power to cater to the talent.
It would probably be a good idea to supply him with some knee-savers as well. ya know, what catchers used to wear in the mid-90s.
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If I were AD and Doc were my DOBO, I would have an area right behind the bench where the seat is cut out so Doc would have more room to squat. Doc prefers to squat, not sit, and I would do everything in my power to cater to the talent.
It would probably be a good idea to supply him with some knee-savers as well. ya know, what catchers used to wear in the mid-90s.
I would, but Doc is way too cool to ever put those on.
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No way Doc ever puts on the knee savers. Doc does not have the knees of a regular man, he had his knees replaced with some futuristic tech that allows him to squat forever with no repercussions.
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I would love to be there win doc comes in to seff's office after looking at film on his own time and he's telling seff all kinds of things that he sees etc and then seff says "thanks doc, did you schedule our meals for Baylor yet?"
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I think it's pretty obvious that Withey is modeling his game off of Maric. If that's not Doc, then I don't know what is.
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I am pretty sure Monday night was a victory in the eyes of ISU fans. Here's why:
A) It didn't flood (yet)
B) They lost which allows them to continue to cheer for mediocrity
C) They got a golden shower from the refs, which will actually help clean some of those hillbillies
Overall, I see a win all around for Iowa State.