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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Jerome Tang Coaches Kansas State Basketball => Topic started by: gatoveintisiete on February 19, 2013, 05:09:31 PM
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Clearly oscar is better at coaching franks players than frank was, bid's contention is oscar can't re-stock the shelves. So let me understand what is coming. oscar is currently coaching 2-3 star guys with a couple 4's, at Illinois he got about half 3's and half 4's, does he pick the wrong ones? Is it harder to recruit at ksu and you think he will only get 2-3's? Just trying to understand.
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Clearly oscar is better at coaching franks players than frank was, bid's contention is oscar can't re-stock the shelves. So let me understand what is coming. oscar is currently coaching 2-3 star guys with a couple 4's, at Illinois he got about half 3's and half 4's, does he pick the wrong ones? Is it harder to recruit at ksu and you think he will only get 2-3's? Just trying to understand.
Link?
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Weber has been successful when he has a playmaking pg like Dee Brown and Deron Williams that Self left him, and now Angel. It appears to me in hindsight that his only successful teams after Self's recruits were gone are the teams that had Chet Frazier as his point guard.
I personally was not following the Illini at that time, but I understand Frazier was leader and also a a guy that could create shots on offense. Now, the correlation between good pg play and winning is true for all HM but some coaches can manufacture ways to points and win while others let seasons get away from them.
I am also concerned we will miss JO enormously. The defense has not been good against quality competition unless JO plays well and I don't think oscar will target it as he values having guys that fit is his system on O over protecting the rim on D.
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does he pick the wrong ones?
Yes. I believe oscar has mentioned this before, something about going after any ol' big name recruit rather than recruit players to fit his system. Hopefully he's learned and will do better.
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We'll see, Orris and Johnson, okay.
But guys like Marcus Foster were underrated and ESPN has bumped him up to 4 stars.
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oscar's class doesn't look half bad. The good thing is that K-State returns quite a bit of experience next year, so you don't really need a bunch of freshmen to come in and contribute right away. This looks like a group that will be solid in 2-3 years.
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oscar's class doesn't look half bad. The good thing is that K-State returns quite a bit of experience next year, so you don't really need a bunch of freshmen to come in and contribute right away. This looks like a group that will be solid in 2-3 years.
I have talked myself into a similar mindset, especially with what Angel will bring to table for the next 2 years. I would just like to see more of an effort to find a legit big man - quality size can really separate elite teams from the rest of cbb.
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Sans Orris, I actually really like the guys oscar is bringing in. Iwandu, Foster, Thomas etc.
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Orris could not look anymore worthless
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oscar's class doesn't look half bad. The good thing is that K-State returns quite a bit of experience next year, so you don't really need a bunch of freshmen to come in and contribute right away. This looks like a group that will be solid in 2-3 years.
I have talked myself into a similar mindset, especially with what Angel will bring to table for the next 2 years. I would just like to see more of an effort to find a legit big man - quality size can really separate elite teams from the rest of cbb.
Yep, to be a top 25 team going forward, oscar MUST land a high quality big in the '14 class (preferably two).
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Orris could not look anymore worthless
I'm under the assumption that he's getting Bruced' at the end of this season. Angel and Thomas should be the only players seeing any time at the point next year
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If Orris gets oscar'd I will hate him less.
(oscar that is)
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just looked through the videos of Foster :love: Westicles :fatty:(don't think he can shoot yet tho) Fincher :bwpopcorn: and Thomas :love:
I'm no expert, but these look like badasses to me guys.
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Orris isn't getting Bruced he not here to play a ton. He has different roles, leadership aka off the court leader. Everybody is going to be happy we got Jevon Thomas and not Josh Gray. Foster is going to fit the system really well and is underrated. Westicles has a chance to be great but as of now I am not high on him. Fincher is a wait and see.
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LOL at bringing in Orris for off court leadership.
Seriously laughing about this.
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Yea because his awesome basketball skills explain why he is here. oscar's has even said orris knows that his not going to play a lot when we signed him.
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Yea because his awesome basketball skills explain why he is here. oscar's has even said orris knows that his not going to play a lot when we signed him.
Most likely because of Will, tay, shane, rodney, and Angel.
Coaches don't give out scholarships to kids that can't play because they want a good citizen on the roster in the locker room. Especially if you have to run a kid to get the good citizen in town.
Completely ridic.
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I don't know why oscar recruited him as a bench player but he did.
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oscar recruited him for the same reason every coach recruits every recruit. he thought he was going to be able to contribute.
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does foster take over for rod, thomas spell angel, and we play the same way as this year?
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does foster take over for rod, thomas spell angel, and we play the same way as this year?
More or less. My guess
1. Angel, Thomas
2. Spradling, Foster
3. Southwell, Foster
4. Williams, Southwell
5. Gipson, Finchsonaz
Little bit of EMAPE and Westicles thrown in there.
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that team has zero size and no shot blocking
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oscar has got to coach Diaz or Fischer up
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oscar has got to coach Diaz or Fischer up
^ This.
Diaz 's development would be huge for next years' team. I know its a stretch, but why cant he develope a little baby jump hook. Its not that god damn hard to learn and execute.
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Yeah it's not like Jo is polished, there is no reason why Diaz couldn't be more effective
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Yeah it's not like Jo is polished, there is no reason why Diaz couldn't be more effective
JO showed flashes of great blocking ability, and the ability to rebound at a high level in his freshman and sophomore years. Diaz hasn't shown the same thing. Just because they're both 6'11" doesn't mean they're both going to have similar production.
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Clearly oscar is better at coaching franks players than frank was, bid's contention is oscar can't re-stock the shelves. So let me understand what is coming. oscar is currently coaching 2-3 star guys with a couple 4's, at Illinois he got about half 3's and half 4's, does he pick the wrong ones? Is it harder to recruit at ksu and you think he will only get 2-3's? Just trying to understand.
team BID would not appreciate this, but what if Alvin Brooks and Chet Frazier turn out to be badass recruiters. :AA:
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Yeah it's not like Jo is polished, there is no reason why Diaz couldn't be more effective
Diaz is miles from JO and has shown hardly any measurable improvement over last yr. I am sorry, but it's not gonna happen. Also, Diaz came in as a guy that preferred playing as a face up guy. oscar's system obvs wants his big to be a back to the basket guy. Diaz will not fill our JO void without changing the scheme.
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Diaz's shoulders are like, half the width of JO's. Imo, Diaz is better suited to do what Nino does than what JO does. I hope I am wrong.
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Clearly oscar is better at coaching franks players than frank was, bid's contention is oscar can't re-stock the shelves. So let me understand what is coming. oscar is currently coaching 2-3 star guys with a couple 4's, at Illinois he got about half 3's and half 4's, does he pick the wrong ones? Is it harder to recruit at ksu and you think he will only get 2-3's? Just trying to understand.
team BID would not appreciate this, but what if Alvin Brooks and Chet Frazier turn out to be badass recruiters. :AA:
then we pray they stay here and things go well. as a member of team BID, if we continue to win, I will be surprised but ecstatic. it's not like we want KSU to suck.
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Diaz's shoulders are like, half the width of JO's. Imo, Diaz is better suited to do what Nino does than what JO does. I hope I am wrong.
Yeah.
Also, Diaz isn't good at that either
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Diaz seems like a total miss at this point. really hope i'm wrong
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Diaz seems like a total miss at this point. really hope i'm wrong
Your not.
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Not that every player improves but Shane basically sucked last year so it can happen. All I would want from Diaz is rim protection, rebounding, solid D, slips to the basket, and a few spot up 12 footers. Does anybody think that is impossible for him?
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Not that every player improves but Shane basically sucked last year so it can happen. All I would want from Diaz is rim protection, rebounding, solid D, slips to the basket, and a few spot up 12 footers. Does anybody think that is impossible for him?
You could see a hint of Shane in Shane. Great passes and stuff, . But I didn't think he would pull it together. With Diaz, I don't see a hint of anything other than height. Last yr, I thought he could turn into something, but he has shown no real growth since and is now in a system that isn't the one he was recruited for and one that wants him playing a style that isn't his strength.
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Not that every player improves but Shane basically sucked last year so it can happen. All I would want from Diaz is rim protection, rebounding, solid D, slips to the basket, and a few spot up 12 footers. Does anybody think that is impossible for him?
Yes. He will never be a good rim protector, he'll never be a good rebounder, and he will always be a below average defender. Basically the only thing he could do on your list is get loose under the hoop every once in a blue moon and hit about 30% of his midrange jump shots. He is very slight of build, he's not a great athlete, he's not very coordinated, and he's an average shooter for a big man. Not much to like about Diaz.
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I think how quickly Foster can come in and be a good contributor is the key. I would like to see Foster play some at the 2 and some at the 3. However if Foster isnt a solid rebounder and defender, it will be tough to play at the 3 much IMO.
Omari can play some at the 3 next year, and Shane can obviously play at the 3 or the 4.
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I think how quickly Foster can come in and be a good contributor is the key. I would like to see Foster play some at the 2 and some at the 3. However if Foster isnt a solid rebounder and defender, it will be tough to play at the 3 much IMO.
Omari can play some at the 3 next year, and Shane can obviously play at the 3 or the 4.
Unfortunately, we will probably have to rely on Omari/Westicles at the 3 next year. Going to be tough to justify pulling Southwell away from the 4 with the way he is playing there, and the lack of options to replace him.
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Shane at the 3, Nino at the 4 to start the season.
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Shane at the 3, Nino at the 4 to start the season.
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I hope not.
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DJamer may step up and surprise, but I doubt that it happens even if DJamer does get a huge soph bounce. He will split w gip like jo does now.
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DJamer may step up and surprise, but I doubt that it happens even if DJamer does get a huge soph bounce. He will split w gip like jo does now.
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Honestly, I'd probably feel more comfortable with Omari playing extended minutes at the 3 over Nino at the 4. Omari strikes me as a guy who could get a lot better in the off-season with a year of experience in this system. Nino seems like a guy who has some serious size limitations that will never allow him to be an effective starting option at the 4.
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I think Shane is thriving in a new system as opposed to improving as a player. He seldom tool shots the last two years, but when he did he was usually making them. Diaz seems lost whenever he is in. It may be from lack of playing time, but regardless the only way he is going to be useful is if he accepts a 10 minute guy role and learns some tricks.
Diaz 's development would be huge for next years' team. I know its a stretch, but why cant he develope a little baby jump hook. Its not that god damn hard to learn and execute.
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Shane admitted last week that he couldn't shoot last year
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Outside of Texas, we could be looking at a pretty small-ish BIG XII next year. We might be able to get away with playing a small line-up for most of conference play, which would mean extended minutes for Shane and Nino...and i'm totally ok with that.
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Shane admitted last week that he couldn't shoot last year
Yeah, Mine and Shane's memories are agree on this.
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Someone is getting Franked this year, we have 4 incoming recruits and only 3 seniors. And yes I am using Franked because he perfected this trick.
So who does everyone think is getting the ax? We can't afford to lose big guys so they are safe. I think the most logical is Orris. That or Omari because he only has one year left. Or maybe one of these guys is smart enough to get on academic scholarship?
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Someone is getting Franked this year, we have 4 incoming recruits and only 3 seniors. And yes I am using Franked because he perfected this trick.
So who does everyone think is getting the ax? We can't afford to lose big guys so they are safe. I think the most logical is Orris. That or Omari because he only has one year left. Or maybe one of these guys is smart enough to get on academic scholarship?
Jeremy Jones has already been Bruced, get with the program or you can go fr@ck yourself :gocho:
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oscar is coaching a team full of upperclassman who went to the second round of the ncaa last year. i don't see it as doing better with frank's players. the big 12 is sub par this year. i'd say oscar is doing just fine. anything less than getting to the second round will be a fail.
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Someone is getting Franked this year, we have 4 incoming recruits and only 3 seniors. And yes I am using Franked because he perfected this trick.
So who does everyone think is getting the ax? We can't afford to lose big guys so they are safe. I think the most logical is Orris. That or Omari because he only has one year left. Or maybe one of these guys is smart enough to get on academic scholarship?
Jeremy Jones has already been Bruced, get with the program or you can go fr@ck yourself :gocho:
:facepalm: I should have counted players. I was wondering why nobody was talking about people getting Franked this year. :embarrassed: