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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Belvis Noland on February 12, 2013, 10:30:05 AM
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Anal rapeage by KU notwithstanding, does everybody agree that we should win the next 4 games to put us at 23-5 (12-3)? And, of our competition at the top, appear most likely to retain the top spot?
Baylor
WVU
@UT
Tech
Not sure where 23-5 would put us, but I've got to imagine that would be one of our program's best records through the month of February.
KU's next 4 include @ OSU, @ ISU. I can see 1 loss.
OSU's next 4 include OU, KU, @ WVU. I can see 1 loss.
ISU's next 4 include @UT, @Baylor. I can see 1 loss.
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4-0
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3-1
there's one loss out of Baylor, WVU, and @ UT. i actually think @ UT is the toughest, so if we drop baylor (I don't think we can stay infront of them defensively) could be 2-2.
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baylor on saturday concerns me. i don't care what they've done on the road to this point. they will play well against us and have a very good shot at winning. i'm going to claim that loss, and say we go 3-0 against the rest for a 3-1 record.
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We aren't losing at home again FWIW
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kenpom says 28% chance of going 4-0. 2% chance of going 7-0
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3-1
we'll lose one of those
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Baylor is due to lose at the 3PT lottery defense they have been playing. In Big 12 games, opponents are only shooting 22%. That will not continue, plus we are the best 3PT shooting team in the league.
As long as we don't try to make it a high tempo game like we did last night I think we'll be fine.
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4-0 is definatly a possibility, and we should be able to get it.
I thought us starting off 4-0 was step 1, and we did it.
I thought us going 4-2 in next 6 was step 2, and we did it
And now going 4-1 in these 5 games to put us at 12-3 is the next step.
Get there and 14-4 is within reach, would could meen sharing that conf crown
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Sharing reg season titles is so pud. Especially when you 24-19 someone on their home turf, or 59-55 and 83-62 them on BOTH courts. :lol:
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we are the best 3PT shooting team in the league.
How weird
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4-0
OSU's two toughest remaining games are ku and KSU, both in Stillwater.
They probably win the league. Better than ku
:bwpopcorn:
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I can see us winning in Stillwater. Penciled it in as a Loss, but still, I think we've got a great chance because we match up with them so much better than KU. A guy like GIP could easily have 15+ against that tatted-out white dude OSU puts on the floor. Our rebounding will be leaps and bounds better than against KU.
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I can see us winning in Stillwater. Penciled it in as a Loss, but still, I think we've got a great chance because we match up with them so much better than KU. A guy like GIP could easily have 15+ against that tatted-out white dude OSU puts on the floor. Our rebounding will be leaps and bounds better than against KU.
i refuse to give travis ford any credit, definitely a winnable game for the ksu "classy" cats.
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at best, we tie with osu for the league.
at worst, we finish 3rd behind osu and ku.
i'll "take" it. :thumbs:
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Stillwater is a given. The gE hooligans will be in attendance trolling the crap out of the half empty building.
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we are the best 3PT shooting team in the league.
How weird
WE have shot 40% 3pt or better in 4 of the last 5 games. If Angel can keep his stroke going, there is no reason to think we dont shoot 38-40% the rest of the year
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at best, we tie with osu for the league.
at worst, we finish 3rd behind osu and ku.
i'll "take" it. :thumbs:
^^ this
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Anything short of 4-0 would be a total failure. IMO.
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We will absolutely go 4-0
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I'll be severely disappointed if we don't go 4-0, we are double digits better than three of those teams.
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Only real risk is Baylor. It will be good to see Huggs back (always liked him and I understand why he went home), but WVa won't be able to pull off a win even with him on the sideline. That said, I think 4-0...3-1 if Baylor sneaks a win, and I really don't see that happening. :)
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3-1. There's a loss in there. Baylor or Texas will win.
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3-1, I don't know where the loss will come from but it will happen.
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Four and Zero. Those teams are dogcrap
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baylor is not a bad team. but when i look at those 4 games, i'm not looking as much at our opponents as i am at us and i don't think we're good enough of a team to go 4-0.
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baylor is not a bad team. but when i look at those 4 games, i'm not looking as much at our opponents as i am at us and i don't think we're good enough of a team to go 4-0.
Just keep in mind that we're 19-5 (8-3). We're pretty good.
And, our 4-0 stretch leading up to KU (UT, @OU, @Tech, ISU) was quite a bit more daunting than our upcoming stretch of BU, WVU, @UT, Tech.
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i said we'd go 3-1. ken pom agrees with me. it's an opinion, guy.
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i said we'd go 3-1. ken pom agrees with me. it's an opinion, guy.
And, in response, I provided my own opinion. This is how message boards work, guy.
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We'll lose 2 of those games
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i said we'd go 3-1. ken pom agrees with me. it's an opinion, guy.
And, in response, I provided my own opinion. This is how message boards work, guy.
just letting you know that i kept in mind that we're 19-5 (8-3) when i did my hard hitting 3-1 analysis. maybe we just don't agree on just how good this team is, regardless of how many minutes JO does or doesn't get within oscar's cancerous system.
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i said we'd go 3-1. ken pom agrees with me. it's an opinion, guy.
oh man...
cool, well your opinion of him is wrong.
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oh man...
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We haven't had a real stinker in Big XII play. Something tells me its coming.
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We haven't had a real stinker in Big XII play. Something tells me its coming.
Did you not watch Monday night's game? :shy:
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4-0.
I will be slightly disappointed with 3-1, I still want to be in control of our own destiny for a league title going into our last 3 games.
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4-0.
I will be slightly disappointed with 3-1, I still want to be in control of our own destiny for a league title going into our last 3 games.
You, sir, are unflappable.
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4-0.
I will be slightly disappointed with 3-1.
Agreed.
The most likely loss (based upon talent level), is Baylor at home. I just don't think Baylor is any better than ISU, OU, or OSU. The odds are that we'll lose a game we shouldn't. So, who know. Maybe Baylor is that loss.
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We'll let the KU game beat us twice most likely. If the last 30 years have taught us anything, this program isn't built to live up to lofty expectations.
3 wins, 1 more leg pissing in the bunch. Book it.
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We'll let the KU game beat us twice most likely. If the last 30 years have taught us anything, this program isn't built to live up to lofty expectations.
3 wins, 1 more leg pissing in the bunch. Book it.
Man if we lose to Baylor it won't have a damn thing to KU. They will have nearly a week of prep time for that game. Your second sentence is absurd.
I'm glad that _FAN, Belvis, and I all agree here, the rest of you feel free to stifle your opinions. thanks
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We'll let the KU game beat us twice most likely. If the last 30 years have taught us anything, this program isn't built to live up to lofty expectations.
3 wins, 1 more leg pissing in the bunch. Book it.
Man if we lose to Baylor it won't have a damn thing to KU. They will have nearly a week of prep time for that game. Your second sentence is absurd.
I'm glad that _FAN, Belvis, and I all agree here, the rest of you feel free to stifle your opinions. thanks
agree on what, exactly?
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4-0.
I will be slightly disappointed with 3-1, I still want to be in control of our own destiny for a league title going into our last 3 games.
Take out the word slightly and i agree 100%.
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4-0 or bust. And kougar24, I think that's what MIR was referencing. That him, Belvis and _FAN think we should go 4-0 these next 4 games.
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We'll let the KU game beat us twice most likely. If the last 30 years have taught us anything, this program isn't built to live up to lofty expectations.
3 wins, 1 more leg pissing in the bunch. Book it.
Your second sentence is absurd.
You don't think having not won a conference basketball title in 27 years is absurd?
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We'll let the KU game beat us twice most likely. If the last 30 years have taught us anything, this program isn't built to live up to lofty expectations.
3 wins, 1 more leg pissing in the bunch. Book it.
Your second sentence is absurd.
You don't think having not won a conference basketball title in 27 years is absurd?
I that has a lot more to do with an extreme talent deficit than not living up to lofty expectations. We've yet to be favored to win the conference or have the best team. Also none of that has anything to do with this team.
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thinking events that happened over the previous 26 years impact the events that will happen over the next two weeks is absurd.
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Thinking that a cumulative pattern of events over the course of 25 years have zero psychological affect today is equally absurd.
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Thinking that a cumulative pattern of events over the course of 25 years have zero psychological affect today is equally absurd.
No, it's not equally absurd.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
Even if we accept your line of thought here as fact we would also have to accept that we're dealing with 25 years of choking when we all know that isn't the case. Actually this group of players collectively has consistently exceeded expectations.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
photosynthesis
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
I'm not talking about an isolated event. I'm talking about repeated trends.
I'm talking about things like losing 46 out of 49 games to your in-state rival and challenging a notion as absurd that there would be no psychological affect bearing upon our athletes that affects their performance and outcome in games today. That it's absolutely absurd to believe there isn't a mental intimidation factor that impacts our performance stemming from years of losing that has an affect today.
Dramatically changing the losing psychological mindset from the one ingrained during the prior 20 years of Altman/Asbury/Wooldridge was of the best things about the Huggins/Martin era. That's what the culture of toughness was all about. We've made a lot of strides, but still have shown the mental strength to achieve that breakthrough that will allow this program to take the next step forward. Maybe this year will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
q) science
a) the Krebs cycle
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
I'm not talking about an isolated event. I'm talking about repeated trends.
I'm talking about things like losing 46 out of 49 games to your in-state rival and challenging a notion as absurd that there would be no psychological affect bearing upon our athletes that affects their performance and outcome in games today. That it's absolutely absurd to believe there isn't a mental intimidation factor that impacts our performance stemming from years of losing that has an affect today.
Dramatically changing the losing psychological mindset from the one ingrained during the prior 20 years of Altman/Asbury/Wooldridge was of the best things about the Huggins/Martin era. That's what the culture of toughness was all about. We've made a lot of strides, but still have shown the mental strength to achieve that breakthrough that will allow this program to take the next step forward. Maybe this year will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.
So for the sake of this conversation we're ignoring that this group of players has either met or exceeded expectations for the last three or four years? Is that what we're gonna do?
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Thinking that what Pervis Pasco and David Hoskins did has any impact on this current team's performance is insane.
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Thinking that what Pervis Pasco and David Hoskins did has any impact on this current team's performance is insane.
Man I wish we had either of those guys.
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I will say the 25 years of domination plays a larger role on KU's players than it does on KState's.
It is not as much a factor now that KSU has a solid program, but in the Wooldridge years I believe the streak made it much easier for KU players to not overlook the game and come in more focused than they would for games at other similar programs (Nebraska's ability to win a couple of times during the big 12 era for example).
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Sports psychology is absurd.
Even if we accept your line of thought here as fact we would also have to accept that we're dealing with 25 years of choking when we all know that isn't the case. Actually this group of players collectively has consistently exceeded expectations.
Well, to be fair, the preseason expectations set by the media for this group of players were ridiculously low.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
I'm not talking about an isolated event. I'm talking about repeated trends.
I'm talking about things like losing 46 out of 49 games to your in-state rival and challenging a notion as absurd that there would be no psychological affect bearing upon our athletes that affects their performance and outcome in games today. That it's absolutely absurd to believe there isn't a mental intimidation factor that impacts our performance stemming from years of losing that has an affect today.
Dramatically changing the losing psychological mindset from the one ingrained during the prior 20 years of Altman/Asbury/Wooldridge was of the best things about the Huggins/Martin era. That's what the culture of toughness was all about. We've made a lot of strides, but still have shown the mental strength to achieve that breakthrough that will allow this program to take the next step forward. Maybe this year will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.
So for the sake of this conversation we're ignoring that this group of players has either met or exceeded expectations for the last three or four years? Is that what we're gonna do?
We've been in this position before. We were the pre-season #3 in the country in 2011 and conference title favorites, got our asses kicked up and down the court by Duke to close out the non-con and then proceeded to then pissed away any shot at the Big12 title with the dreadful start to conference play that tarnished that season.
In a down league, (and a down KU team) I though this team would compete for league title this year. That was my personal expectation. They are senior led and perform well on the road (mostly). My point is I'll believe it when I see a season without the inexplicable two or three losses we are accustomed to that prevent us from reaching our full potential.
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Has wabash become the new sonofdaxjones? Stay tuned to find out.
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Sports psychology is absurd.
For the most part, I would agree. But since you bring up "science", do you have any studies from sports psychologists that would support your initial suggestion that events from 25 years ago will affect Saturday's game against Baylor?
Since we're talking about science.
I'm not talking about an isolated event. I'm talking about repeated trends.
I'm talking about things like losing 46 out of 49 games to your in-state rival and challenging a notion as absurd that there would be no psychological affect bearing upon our athletes that affects their performance and outcome in games today. That it's absolutely absurd to believe there isn't a mental intimidation factor that impacts our performance stemming from years of losing that has an affect today.
Dramatically changing the losing psychological mindset from the one ingrained during the prior 20 years of Altman/Asbury/Wooldridge was of the best things about the Huggins/Martin era. That's what the culture of toughness was all about. We've made a lot of strides, but still have shown the mental strength to achieve that breakthrough that will allow this program to take the next step forward. Maybe this year will be different, but I'll believe it when I see it.
So for the sake of this conversation we're ignoring that this group of players has either met or exceeded expectations for the last three or four years? Is that what we're gonna do?
We've been in this position before. We were the pre-season #3 in the country in 2011 and conference title favorites, got our asses kicked up and down the court by Duke to close out the non-con and then proceeded to then pissed away any shot at the Big12 title with the dreadful start to conference play that tarnished that season.
In a down league, (and a down KU team) I though this team would compete for league title this year. That was my personal expectation. They are senior led and perform well on the road (mostly). My point is I'll believe it when I see a season without the inexplicable two or three losses we are accustomed to that prevent us from reaching our full potential.
That was 2010 and that Duke team we lost to was #1 in the country at the time of that game and had at least 3 NBA draft picks on it with one of those players being a NBA all-star.
That down KU team entered the tournament 32-2 and was the #2 team in the country with 4 first round draft picks.
Interested to see how you spin this point.
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In a down league, (and a down KU team) I though this team would compete for league title this year. That was my personal expectation. They are senior led and perform well on the road (mostly). My point is I'll believe it when I see a season without the inexplicable two or three losses we are accustomed to that prevent us from reaching our full potential.
Fair enough. But, we've avoided Frankuary, sitting at 8-3 in Conference. If you thought this team would compete for a league title this year, you've gotten what you expected.
Maybe we'll crap ourselves and go .500 down the stretch, who knows. I don't think so b/c we're pretty good, and aside from Baylorx2 and OSUx1, our upcoming slate is pretty pud.
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2-2
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That was 2010 and that Duke team we lost to was #1 in the country at the time of that game and had at least 3 NBA draft picks on it with one of those players being a NBA all-star.
That down KU team entered the tournament 32-2 and was the #2 team in the country with 4 first round draft picks.
Interested to see how you spin this point.
It was the 2010-2011 season and K-State was the pre-season selection to win the Big XII Conference Title. That is a fact.
So, how you're stating this current group has met or exceeded expectations of any team over the last three or four years, I have no idea. We haven't accomplished anything yet.
And the point is not about losing to a good Duke team. The point is we lost a huge game and then completely derailed the start of conference play, costing us any chance of a league title that year. And I make that point, because we need to prevent the disappointment from a similar KU loss this year from then compounding in a couple bad losses during this critical upcoming stretch.
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The media was wrong for picking that 2010-11 team to win the conference. When Withey gets drafted he will be the 6th player off that KU team to get drafted, if Releford gets drafted he'll be 7. It's not a choke if you dont outperform the better team. But this isn't about individual games or teams, you said
If the last 30 years have taught us anything, this program isn't built to live up to lofty expectations.
I'm simply stating this isn't true. These players on this roster have spent the previous 2-3 outperforming reasonable expectations. This doesn't mean they won't puke all over their shoes now, but if they do it won't be because these players have a history of choking.