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Title: Iowa State Game
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 07, 2013, 04:38:23 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.     

Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 07, 2013, 04:42:19 PM
ISU can't win on the road, they lost at TECH  :lol:

Wake me up on Monday

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Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kougar24 on February 07, 2013, 04:43:18 PM
I hope our players didn't see pictures of the press box at Jack Trice, or they won't be able to take this game seriously at all.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: pufiZzle on February 07, 2013, 04:43:35 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.   

2 words that don't belong in same sentence.  Unless it's.....with JO in the game, the other team has a large advantage.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: BostonPancake on February 07, 2013, 05:00:45 PM
Rebounding better on defense would be good.  They had 10 o-boards last time that led to 16 points on that possession off of the rebound.  Meanwhile, we scored 4 points off our 5 o-boards.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: pvegs on February 07, 2013, 05:09:17 PM
Vis a vis 3 pt shooting, not only is  limiting % a huge deal vs ISU but so is limiting volume.  To that extent, boarding well and not turning it over will be key.  Watching vs OU, ISU got a ton of 3 pt looks in transition and also on mad scrambles after Oboards. I like our chances in a grinder, but am fearful of something similar to the 2nd half in Ames.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: SdK on February 07, 2013, 05:09:26 PM
Tunnel dance.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 07, 2013, 05:16:21 PM
Vis a vis 3 pt shooting, not only is  limiting % a huge deal vs ISU but so is limiting volume.  To that extent, boarding well and not turning it over will be key. 


Agreed.  rebounding was pretty bad.  We had 8 total rebounds between Gip (0), JO (2), Nino (4), DJamer (2).  Granted, lot of long rebounds against chucker teams like ISU.  But still, we need more out of our bigs. 

Gip and JO played 9 minutes each for a combined 6 pts.  DJamer and Nino played 19 minutes each for a combined 8 pts.  We have got to have more production out of our bigs - offensively and defensively. 
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: 8manpick on February 07, 2013, 05:17:33 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.   

2 words that don't belong in same sentence.  Unless it's.....with JO in the game, the other team has a large advantage.

I will rough ridin' punch you
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Winters on February 07, 2013, 05:24:17 PM
The Paperboy to have a mediocre performance at home would be great.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 07, 2013, 05:49:49 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.   

2 words that don't belong in same sentence.  Unless it's.....with JO in the game, the other team has a large advantage.

I will rough ridin' punch you

I wonder how MUCH better JO would have to play in comparison to our other bigs for dumbasses to realize that he's the best option that we have.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: 'taterblast on February 07, 2013, 05:52:10 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game? 

show up
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: wetwillie on February 07, 2013, 06:20:03 PM
We will win this by double digits
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 06:23:08 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.   

2 words that don't belong in same sentence.  Unless it's.....with JO in the game, the other team has a large advantage.

I will rough ridin' punch you

I wonder how MUCH better JO would have to play in comparison to our other bigs for dumbasses to realize that he's the best option that we have.

People that post stupid crap like this should be ignored, so rough ridin' dumb.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: OKclone on February 07, 2013, 06:32:07 PM
This thread is fun.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 06:42:06 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.   

We can't exploit our size advantage because we would get spread and killed. ISU gets all those open looks and rebounds because they spread, penetrate, kick and then crash the boards after they've spread you out and have you scrambling to recover on help. If the last game taught us anything is that we can't win these games by trying to out score ISU, we have to win this game defensively.

Obviously the first step is limiting the penetration and make them use a lot of clock to get shots. This is a horrendous matchup for JO because Niang can pull him away from the basket, it happened the first game and he also did it to Withey. If oscar starts JO best case scenario is for JO to make a shot or two early, block or change a couple of shots and hope Niang misses a couple of shots while picking up a foul. Frankly, I think we will need Nino to have a good game, I think he's our big best suited to stop Niang (really missing Jamar here).

Of course the players aren't looking past ISU, they lost to them less than 2 weeks ago & they're prepping for them all week. Who cares what the fans do?
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 07, 2013, 06:59:07 PM
In conf games, 43.9% of the Clonies shots are from behind the arc.   Kstate is best in the Big 12 allowing only 24.6% of shots be 3PA

Outside of the Isu game, the other 8 opp. have 25 3Pt makes on 87 3PA .    That is basicly 3-11 on average.   That is very good. 

Now no way are we going to hold Isu to 11 3PA (they had 22 in Ames) but we have to contest their shots.  TCU and Tech (at home) made the game ugly and held Isu to 5-18 and 6-23

Be curious to see what FAN thinks, but if we can hold them to under 50% eFG, then you have to like our chances.   Isu has only been 20 TO% or higher in 2 of 9 games, but they are only ave 24.5 OR% in their last five games
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 07:17:47 PM
I have to try real hard to not be snarky when someone uses stats to discuss how one team should beat another.  Team X has to keep team Y below their normal statistical input. No crap, tell us HOW.






no offense
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2013, 07:35:52 PM
Looking at the first game the plan is simple; take care of the ball and rebound. In Ames, ISU outscored us 13-4 off turnovers and 14-0 on second chance points in the 2nd half. So in spite having our best shooting half of the season at 72% we couldn't take advantage because we didn't handle two aspects of the game we had quite a bit of control over. Also, ISU's 14 2nd chance points came on 7 oboards, and 13 points off TOs came off of 7 TOs, so they were nearly perfect at taking advantage of each area, which allowed them to overcome poor FT shooting.

They are going to shoot 3s, but hopefully we can keep their attempts down to 15-18 instead of 20 plus. I think offensively we'll score fine, it will be about TOs, RBs, and limiting good 3PT looks.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: pvegs on February 07, 2013, 07:46:23 PM
So, what do we have to do to win this game?  ISU shotting below 50% 3pt is a good start.  Seems like our on ball defense has been very good lately.  I anticipate our activity will limit their open shot opportunities. 

Offensively, I don't see any reason why we can't exploit our size advantage.  We didn't do it last time, though.  I don't know if ISU took them out of the game, or if we simply failed to execute the game plan.  ISU's a pretty small team.  With Gip's increased productivity around the rim and JO's height advantage, it seems like we should make hay in that area.

Thoughts?  I hope our team isn't overlooking ISU like our fanbase is.   

We can't exploit our size advantage because we would get spread and killed. ISU gets all those open looks and rebounds because they spread, penetrate, kick and then crash the boards after they've spread you out and have you scrambling to recover on help. If the last game taught us anything is that we can't win these games by trying to out score ISU, we have to win this game defensively.

Obviously the first step is limiting the penetration and make them use a lot of clock to get shots. This is a horrendous matchup for JO because Niang can pull him away from the basket, it happened the first game and he also did it to Withey. If oscar starts JO best case scenario is for JO to make a shot or two early, block or change a couple of shots and hope Niang misses a couple of shots while picking up a foul. Frankly, I think we will need Nino to have a good game, I think he's our big best suited to stop Niang (really missing Jamar here).

Of course the players aren't looking past ISU, they lost to them less than 2 weeks ago & they're prepping for them all week. Who cares what the fans do?

Exactly.  Hoping the defensive intensity will be there given that it's at home.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kso_FAN on February 07, 2013, 07:47:25 PM
I have to try real hard to not be snarky when someone uses stats to discuss how one team should beat another.  Team X has to keep team Y below their normal statistical input. No crap, tell us HOW.






no offense

Defensively I think it starts with Angel staying out of foul trouble and getting ball pressure. We've got to be more sound, obviously Hoiberg seems to have found a good way to get us spread and generate lots of good shots judging by not only this year, but last. And we've got to find a better matchup for Clyburn, he was really a difference maker in Ames.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: sys on February 07, 2013, 08:03:05 PM
we played jhr against missouri last year and beat the crap out of them twice.  gmafb with this we have to go small crap.  i like going small, but not based on opponent.  go small when that's how you get your best 5 on the floor.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: PowercatPat on February 07, 2013, 08:39:27 PM
Guard the three and we should be fine. They live and die by the three. Not really worried about his game too much.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 08:42:50 PM
we played jhr against missouri last year and beat the crap out of them twice.  gmafb with this we have to go small crap.  i like going small, but not based on opponent.  go small when that's how you get your best 5 on the floor.

Mizzou didn't have a five nearly as skilled as Niang. Mizzou also wasn't nearly as good isolating players in the front court. That being said I read through this complete thread twice and I didn't see anyone say we had to play small so I have no idea what you're cussing about.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: sys on February 07, 2013, 09:00:11 PM

Mizzou didn't have a five nearly as skilled as Niang.

play jhr off him so he can't get his body into him and spin.  he's not going to drive around him and if isu wants to try and win the game with a freshman post shooting 3s over a seven footer, let them try.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: bones129 on February 07, 2013, 09:15:03 PM
Tunnel dance.

Difference maker.  :dance:  :dance:
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 07, 2013, 09:22:55 PM
 :dance:
Looking at the first game the plan is simple; take care of the ball and rebound. In Ames, ISU outscored us 13-4 off turnovers and 14-0 on second chance points in the 2nd half. So in spite having our best shooting half of the season at 72% we couldn't take advantage because we didn't handle two aspects of the game we had quite a bit of control over. Also, ISU's 14 2nd chance points came on 7 oboards, and 13 points off TOs came off of 7 TOs, so they were nearly perfect at taking advantage of each area, which allowed them to overcome poor FT shooting.

They are going to shoot 3s, but hopefully we can keep their attempts down to 15-18 instead of 20 plus. I think offensively we'll score fine, it will be about TOs, RBs, and limiting good 3PT looks.

So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside. 
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 11:15:22 PM
So I just watched this game again and I'm pretty resolute on my thought that we should not run two bigs at the same time. JO had even a harder time with Niang than I remembered.

Mizzou didn't have a five nearly as skilled as Niang.

play jhr off him so he can't get his body into him and spin.  he's not going to drive around him and if isu wants to try and win the game with a freshman post shooting 3s over a seven footer, let them try.
Well oscar tried this and JO could not stay in front of Niang, he didn't have to shoot threes over JO because he drove past him every time. I bet that oscar will try to crowd Niang more because playing off of him was very very bad. Niang had nice moves in the post but he had a hard time finishing even against smaller guys, so Hoiberg pulled him to the top of the key and posted Clyburn and McGee.

-We were unbelievably bad with, surprise, transition defense. When they weren't dunking they were hitting threes on the secondary break. Niang hit his threes this way and by getting open looks from the hard hedge, I will be interested to see if we continue to hard hedge with the bigs.

-As previously mentioned we struggled preventing penetration. On that note people were quite angry that oscar didn't foul late. Seeing it again I wouldn't have fouled either, their previous possession they turned the ball over, it just didn't feel right fouling after we got two fast break points from creating a turnover, and there were 48 seconds left. Where oscar made the mistake is that he had a chance to put art in the game and he didn't. Not only is Angel our best on ball defender, but if we did get the ball late down 3 we would obviously want the ball in Angels hands in this situation. I also would have put JO back in to protect the rim. As successful as Niang was against JO driving the ball, I doubt that Hoiberg would have isolated him at the top of the key for the games last possession. Of course neither art or jo were in and Lucious easily drove by Tay.

-Clyburn played a lot of 4, and Nino played him quite a bit, even more than Shane and that didn't work out well for Nino at all. He couldn't stop Clyburn from scoring and couldn't keep him off of the boards.

-They were awful from the line and we didn't get there enough. I think we shoot and make more FTs on Saturday and they shoot less but make more.

So I think we should go with our normal 4 G/F and 1 big set. They couldn't guard us at all, so I don't think we need to adjust anything on that end other than more Angel, their guards defended him very poorly, he and Will looked like Chris Paul and Ray Allen in the same backcourt. Going big on the other end will leave us vulnerable on the other end with the penetration again. I think we just need to crowd them more and switch the guard to guard screens. When Niang screens we should just bump him, we can continue to hedge when McGee sets the high ball screen.

Here's the link if any of you want to watch.
http://espn.go.com/watchespn/player/_/id/745608/gameId/330260066/size/condensed/
I'm going to watch the ISU/TT game tomorrow
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 07, 2013, 11:20:58 PM
So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside.

You mean together? You do know that would require one of them to guard Will Clyburn right? Nevermind one of them trying to guard him, imagine them trying to keep him off the boards when he is constantly crashing down from 15-18 feet out :sdeek: Your propsal is good for scoring, but that wasn't an issue last match up, it was stopping them from rebounding and keeping them from pulling all of us out and then penetrating. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see how playing these two guys together would make this significantly worse.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: sys on February 08, 2013, 12:22:36 AM
Well oscar tried this and JO could not stay in front of Niang.

he shouldn't have to.  you have a six eight post trying a guarded drive from the 3 point line - every guard on the team should be licking their lips to pick him on help d.  or take a charge (not as fun).
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: sys on February 08, 2013, 12:25:10 AM
Of course neither art or jo were in.

i don't remember the sequence as clearly as you do, but any rationale that weber might have had to not have his two most disruptive defenders in the game is obviously flawed.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2013, 12:28:28 AM
The help defense by the guards was deplorable but I think part of it was scheme. It seems like the guards were instructed not to stand in the lane when they were two passes away. When Niang drove it was always from the top of the key, never a wing. They would have 5 out meaning that the players guarding ISU baseliners had help responsibility but they were never close. I think ISU has hurt other teams in the past by the driving bigs kicking it to the short corner when the help came from there. If Niang and Cllyburn ever drove from the wing it would be much easier to help, but they don't. I am pretty interested to see how TT neutralized this.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Powercat Posse on February 08, 2013, 12:32:10 AM
Yeah, no way we can play 2 bigs at the same time.   I would rather see Omari get more PT in this game if we get foul trouble.

Rod will start on Clyburn but Shane will also be counted on to guard him.   Nino guarding him is a bad matchup. Almost rather have Nino guard Babb and Rod/Shane stick on Clyburn.   
.

They shot 50% eFG and still only had 26 first half pts.  (Going 3-10 from the line cost them getting 30 pts)
Problem is they got 6 more FGA and 5 more FTA than us in the 2nd half because of OR and TOs
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2013, 12:35:15 AM
Of course neither art or jo were in.

i don't remember the sequence as clearly as you do, but any rationale that weber might have had to not have his two most disruptive defenders in the game is obviously flawed.

What makes it even worse is that on this sequence Angel got the steal and then gave the ball to Rod for the dunk. After the steal and dunk, oscar TOOK ANGEL OUT for the final defensive possession where Tay got cooked. The only rationale for taking Angel out when you need a steal, the possession immediately after he got you a steal is because you plan to foul. oscar completely blew this, it was as bad of a coaching mistake as you will see, even worse than letting a 37% free throw shooter catch an inbounds pass in a foul situation.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2013, 12:45:08 AM
Yeah, no way we can play 2 bigs at the same time.   I would rather see Omari get more PT in this game if we get foul trouble.

Rod will start on Clyburn but Shane will also be counted on to guard him.   Nino guarding him is a bad matchup. Almost rather have Nino guard Babb and Rod/Shane stick on Clyburn.   
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They shot 50% eFG and still only had 26 first half pts.  (Going 3-10 from the line cost them getting 30 pts)
Problem is they got 6 more FGA and 5 more FTA than us in the 2nd half because of OR and TOs

Will or Rod guarded Babb depending on who else was on the floor. I think another mistake oscar made is that when Ejim and Niang was on the floor on the same time, he had one of the bigs (Gip or JO) guard Niang, but he had a smaller, quicker player (Gip, Nino, or DJamer) guarding Ejim. I think this is a mistake. I'm sure the staff thinks Niang will take the smaller guys to the post but I don't think he's as effective with his back to the basket and I also think it helps our team defense if he is down there even if he would have a size advantage. Ejim is not nearly the face up threat that Niang is. I hope we make that adjustment.

I can't wait to watch this TT game.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: ksupamplemousse on February 08, 2013, 03:06:32 AM

Mizzou didn't have a five nearly as skilled as Niang.

play jhr off him so he can't get his body into him and spin.  he's not going to drive around him and if isu wants to try and win the game with a freshman post shooting 3s over a seven footer, let them try.

Agreed. I mean, if the kid gets hot, obviously you go small and try and not get beat on the block. Niang only averages 2.1 attempts from deep every game though, so to try and take that particular aspect of the game away from him is beyond stupid.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kso_FAN on February 08, 2013, 07:31:39 AM
I think the discussion on Niang is good, but I don't believe he can beat us if we just play decent defense on him.

To me the key defensive match-ups in this game are Angel on Lucious (he had 8 assists last time) and whoever guards Clyburn. Clyburn made half of his 16 shots, had 5 oboards, got the FT line 9 times, and made a ton of key plays for ISU in the game. I thought we did fine on Ejim, though he did have 4 oboards. And again, ISU was just crazy efficient after oboards; 18 points on 11 of them and 14 on 7 in the 2nd half, and I highly doubt they repeat that number of oboards or that efficiency. While its very unlikely they shoot as poorly from the FT line, its also very unlikely they shoot better from 3. To me many of the errors we made are very correctable and its likely Angel plays 30 minutes instead of 18 which is key for our team.

Honestly, I'm confident that we'll be much better because as bad as we may be matching up with them defensively, I think ISU is just as bad (or worse) matching up with us. They had no answer in the 2nd half to our offense either, we were really efficient when we didn't turn it over. At home this is simply a game we shouldn't lose and I don't think we will.

Cats 68 - Clones 62
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 08, 2013, 08:00:00 AM
So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside.

You mean together? You do know that would require one of them to guard Will Clyburn right? Nevermind one of them trying to guard him, imagine them trying to keep him off the boards when he is constantly crashing down from 15-18 feet out :sdeek: Your propsal is good for scoring, but that wasn't an issue last match up, it was stopping them from rebounding and keeping them from pulling all of us out and then penetrating. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see how playing these two guys together would make this significantly worse.

No.  I don't mean together.  They played 9 a piece @ ISU.  Not surprisingly, our rebounding was horrid.  They should play 15-20 a piece, if not more, if they're being effective.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kso_FAN on February 08, 2013, 08:02:32 AM
No.  I don't mean together.  They played 9 a piece @ ISU.  Not surprisingly, our rebounding was horrid.  They should play 15-20 a piece, if not more, if they're being effective.

Yeah, they need to do a better job handling the 5 spot, those 2 should share at least 35 minutes a game. I didn't realize they only combined for 18 in Ames, and neither had more than 3 fouls. I really like how Gip is playing lately, and I think if we can get him posted he could give ISU a lot of trouble.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MakeItRain on February 08, 2013, 08:37:50 AM
So, we need JO and Gip on the floor.  They are our two most efficient rebounders, thanks to your breakdown. 

But, it seems like oscar didn't value their defense against smaller, quicker forwards like ISU has.  Hence DJamer and Ninos increased minutes. 

Seems likes catch 22.  Need more rebounds but our best rebounders don't match up well defensively. 

My idea - eff matching up with ISU.  Play our game and make them match up with us.  Play JO and Gip.  Pound it inside.

You mean together? You do know that would require one of them to guard Will Clyburn right? Nevermind one of them trying to guard him, imagine them trying to keep him off the boards when he is constantly crashing down from 15-18 feet out :sdeek: Your propsal is good for scoring, but that wasn't an issue last match up, it was stopping them from rebounding and keeping them from pulling all of us out and then penetrating. I'm dumbfounded that you can't see how playing these two guys together would make this significantly worse.

No.  I don't mean together.  They played 9 a piece @ ISU.  Not surprisingly, our rebounding was horrid.  They should play 15-20 a piece, if not more, if they're being effective.

DJamer got a lot of minutes and didn't do anything. So it seems like we all pretty much agree. The game starts with stopping penetration. Angel not picking up ridiculous fouls would help, he had a couple of :facepalm: worthy ones the first game, grabbing Lucious 40 feet away from the basket.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: OKclone on February 08, 2013, 09:15:14 AM
Guard the three and we should be fine. They live and die by the three. Not really worried about his game too much.

Hah, well this is stupid. Check out our game against Baylor.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kso_FAN on February 08, 2013, 09:23:13 AM
Guard the three and we should be fine. They live and die by the three. Not really worried about his game too much.

Hah, well this is stupid. Check out our game against Baylor.

It will be interesting to see if ISU can get that type of FT rate in Manhattan. When a team gets 13 more FT attempts AND shoots 18% better its going to be tough to beat them on their home floor.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: bigwillie20 on February 08, 2013, 09:32:50 AM
72-60 good guys
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: SabiNation on February 08, 2013, 09:35:45 AM
I hope Niang gets called fat A LOT by our fans.  He's so fat
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Gooch on February 08, 2013, 09:46:53 AM
I am more worried about my ability to duplicate the amazing job MIR did at singing the "Everyone's gettin Raped" song when Bubu Palo comes into the game.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: sys on February 08, 2013, 09:52:09 AM
DJamer got a lot of minutes and didn't do anything.

 :blank:
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: JKEYS on February 08, 2013, 10:10:12 AM
Tunnel dance.

Difference maker.  :dance:  :dance:

Worth 4 pts/game in and of itself!
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: 8manpick on February 08, 2013, 12:01:45 PM
Remember this, guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KS7IxxHI0M8#t=12s
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: 'taterblast on February 08, 2013, 12:18:39 PM
Remember this, guys?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KS7IxxHI0M8#t=12s

will never forget. it actually kind of crosses my mind every time he has the ball at the free throw line.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: OKclone on February 08, 2013, 02:07:32 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F11uazwh.jpg&hash=e3ccbf5cdc3f9db483abf02576281aa8f8f1d4ae)
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: qatzmanchu on February 08, 2013, 02:13:09 PM
Ughh, that font. :barf:

Photoshop amateur with the times new roman. Be original.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: OKclone on February 08, 2013, 02:17:55 PM
Ughh, that font. :barf:

Photoshop amateur with the times new roman. Be original.

You clearly know nothing about fonts, it's Plantagenet Cherokee.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Belvis Noland on February 08, 2013, 02:25:25 PM
that blunt's totally fake looking.  like a tampon. 
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: qatzmanchu on February 08, 2013, 02:32:53 PM
Ughh, that font. :barf:

Photoshop amateur with the times new roman. Be original.

You clearly know nothing about fonts, it's Plantagenet Cherokee.

Nope, times new roman. You can tell by the serifs.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: kougar24 on February 08, 2013, 02:51:34 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F11uazwh.jpg&hash=e3ccbf5cdc3f9db483abf02576281aa8f8f1d4ae)

Tsk tsk, there's no hyphen in "purple Kansas" dumbass.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: MadCat on February 08, 2013, 02:57:48 PM
Should be Trajan font, dammit.  TRAJAN FONT
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: OKclone on February 08, 2013, 03:28:07 PM
Ughh, that font. :barf:

Photoshop amateur with the times new roman. Be original.

You clearly know nothing about fonts, it's Plantagenet Cherokee.


Nope, times new roman. You can tell by the serifs.

That would make a lot of fonts times new roman if you just went by if they had serifs or not.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: KSUblumpkin on February 08, 2013, 04:18:36 PM
(https://goemaw.com/forum/proxy.php?request=http%3A%2F%2Fi48.tinypic.com%2F11uazwh.jpg&hash=e3ccbf5cdc3f9db483abf02576281aa8f8f1d4ae)

Who smokes a tampon?  Is that an Red U of Iowa thing to do or something.  Nice hyphen...the adjective/noun connection was difficult for me to process but now I get it.  Thank you kind sir.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: qatzmanchu on February 08, 2013, 04:24:29 PM
I think we can all agree there is no way this clown ever had any of his photoshops pasted anywhere other then his moms fridge. Not with poor, unoriginal font choices like times new roman; a hyphen where non belongs and that joint looks like what a ginger iowa kid would imagine a joint looks like without ever having seen one in real life.
Title: Re: Iowa State Game
Post by: Skipper44 on February 08, 2013, 04:43:51 PM
Yeah, no way we can play 2 bigs at the same time.   I would rather see Omari get more PT in this game if we get foul trouble.

Rod will start on Clyburn but Shane will also be counted on to guard him.   Nino guarding him is a bad matchup. Almost rather have Nino guard Babb and Rod/Shane stick on Clyburn.   
.

They shot 50% eFG and still only had 26 first half pts.  (Going 3-10 from the line cost them getting 30 pts)
Problem is they got 6 more FGA and 5 more FTA than us in the 2nd half because of OR and TOs

Will or Rod guarded Babb depending on who else was on the floor. I think another mistake oscar made is that when Ejim and Niang was on the floor on the same time, he had one of the bigs (Gip or JO) guard Niang, but he had a smaller, quicker player (Gip, Nino, or DJamer) guarding Ejim. I think this is a mistake. I'm sure the staff thinks Niang will take the smaller guys to the post but I don't think he's as effective with his back to the basket and I also think it helps our team defense if he is down there even if he would have a size advantage. Ejim is not nearly the face up threat that Niang is. I hope we make that adjustment.

I can't wait to watch this TT game.
I agree and would like to see Shane on Niang when ever possible even though Ejim has attempted only 11 less 3s and is actually hitting a higher percentage. 

It is sad that we have allowed ISU to dictate the lineup and how the game is played the last few years, I guess I have to credit Hoiberg on that.