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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Pete on February 07, 2013, 02:09:33 PM
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It was TCU vs KU.
The largest ever. Can you believe that? HISTORY!
That seems like something that people should be talking about, right? HISTORY!
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It is certainly EXTREMELY NEWSWORTHY IMO!
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What's the next largest rpi upset?
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Don't tell catzacker.
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Losing to TCU was literally the worst loss in modern college basketball history (the "RPI Era"). It could be THE worst loss in the history of all of college basketball.
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how does it compare to a #1 seed losing to a #16 seed?
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how does it compare to a #1 seed losing to a #16 seed?
I think it's a bigger upset. It's not like TCU could go win a shitty basketball conference to get a 16 seed.
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don't lose sight of how shitty you knew tcu was 24 hours ago
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how does it compare to the US beating the Soviets in 1980 winter olympics?
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how does it compare to a #1 seed losing to a #16 seed?
A #1 losing to a #16 isn't even close as bad....the disparity in RPI is a fraction of what it is between KU and TCU. The disparity was over 230 in this case.
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how does it compare to a #1 seed losing to a #16 seed?
I'd say it compares pretty well to a 1 vs. 16 about a decade ago, the 15s and 16s now are much better than they used to be. Of course this doesn't count the 13-17 MEAC or SWAC team that seems to get in every other year, TCU is better than these teams. Last seasons Norfolk State team is better than this TCU team IMO.
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how does it compare to the US beating the Soviets in 1980 winter olympics?
This TCU loss steals the Soviet Upset's lunch money at school every single day.
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how does it compare to a #1 seed losing to a #16 seed?
I'd say it compares pretty well to a 1 vs. 16 about a decade ago, the 15s and 16s now are much better than they used to be. Of course this doesn't count the 13-17 MEAC or SWAC team that seems to get in every other year, TCU is better than these teams. Last seasons Norfolk State team is better than this TCU team IMO.
Perhaps, but a 16 has never beaten a 1, so that's out the window.
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I've never seen anything like it in my 27 years of life as a KU fan. It feels like my dog just died.
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how does it compare to the 2008 Super Bowl when the NY G-Men upset the Pats?
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KU was only -20 so while its a huge upset in terms of RPI, its not even close when considering the spread. Most #1 vs #16 games are 20-30+ point favorites
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how does it compare to the 2008 Super Bowl when the NY G-Men upset the Pats?
You mean when a super bowl team beat another super bowl team? LOL at even bringing that up.
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Probably the biggest upset since Chaminade beat #1 Virginia over 30 years ago back in 1982
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I've never seen anything like it in my 27 years of life as a KU fan. It feels like my dog just died.
It's not the tournament, and it's not football...your season isn't lost. It's just embarrassing. Now, it happens to be very embarrassing...but, the season is definitely not lost.
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KU was only -20 so while its a huge upset in terms of RPI, its not even close when considering the spread. Most #1 vs #16 games are 20-30+ point favorites
away game vs. local site as a No. 1 or 2 seed.
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According to the Bracket Project the current 16 seeds if the tournament were held today and the first place teams won the conference tournaments the 16s would be as follows, with RPI in parentheses
Bryant (138)
Southern (194)
Norfolk State (198)
Charleston Southern (183)
I do think TCU is better than all of these teams, barely.
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Biggest point-spread upsets since expansion to 64 teams in 1985:
Norfolk State +21.5 over Missouri 86-84 in 2012
Santa Clara +19.5 over Arizona 64–61 in 1993
Coppin State +18.5 over South Carolina 78–65 in 1997
Hampton +17.5 over Iowa State 58–57 in 2001
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How does it compare to John Daly winning the 1991 PGA Championship as an alternate.
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http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/06/4053063/how-bad-was-kus-loss-to-tcu-this.html
The Horned Frogs were 9-12 and 0-8 in the Big 12 entering Wednesday’s game and held a ratings percentage index of 237.
Jerry Palm, who crunches basketball numbers for cbssports.com, said TCU's victory marked the biggest upset in RPI difference in the 20 years he's been tracking numbers. Kansas entered the game No. 7 in RPI, TCU No. 237.
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This link shares a bit of light on it, but it's more from a point spread standpoint...
http://www.beyondthebets.com/in-light-of-kansas-tcu-heres-a-list-of-the-biggest-conference-upsets-in-college-hoops-in-past-7-years/
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Guess it's true what they say
Beware of the Phrog
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Biggest point-spread upsets since expansion to 64 teams in 1985:
Norfolk State +21.5 over Missouri 86-84 in 2012
Santa Clara +19.5 over Arizona 64–61 in 1993
Coppin State +18.5 over South Carolina 78–65 in 1997
Hampton +17.5 over Iowa State 58–57 in 2001
Hampton vs. Iowa State in retrospect is the biggest upset here. Norfolk State and Santa Clara were seeded too low and people said so at the time. South Carolina was seeded too high and people said that at the time as well. That Iowa State team was the best team they ever had, they should have been a 1 seed. Unlike the Santa Clara and Norfolk State teams, that Hampton team didn't have a future NBAer on it.
Iowa State has easily the worst lost in the history of the NCAA tournament.
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This link shares a bit of light on it, but it's more from a point spread standpoint...
http://www.beyondthebets.com/in-light-of-kansas-tcu-heres-a-list-of-the-biggest-conference-upsets-in-college-hoops-in-past-7-years/
Was looking for this link, thanks. KU's loss doesnt even compare to this:
07-08
Gardner-Webb +26 at Kentucky | W 84-68
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This loss will single-handedly keep KU from getting a #1 seed, I'd bet.
When you compare 5 or 6 teams vying for a #1 seed, and you are looking at "good wins," "good losses," and "bad losses," yikes.
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This link shares a bit of light on it, but it's more from a point spread standpoint...
http://www.beyondthebets.com/in-light-of-kansas-tcu-heres-a-list-of-the-biggest-conference-upsets-in-college-hoops-in-past-7-years/
Was looking for this link, thanks. KU's loss doesnt even compare to this:
07-08
Gardner-Webb +26 at Kentucky | W 84-68
Vegas is sometimes very stupid, that Kentucky team finished the season 18-13. It was the 2nd game coming off a 12 loss season and they had a 1st year coach.
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This loss coupled with the 2-4 losses they have left will single-handedly keep KU from getting a #3 seed, I'd bet.
Who the hell bet me that KU wouldn't lose more than 2 conference games?
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This link shares a bit of light on it, but it's more from a point spread standpoint...
http://www.beyondthebets.com/in-light-of-kansas-tcu-heres-a-list-of-the-biggest-conference-upsets-in-college-hoops-in-past-7-years/
Was looking for this link, thanks. KU's loss doesnt even compare to this:
07-08
Gardner-Webb +26 at Kentucky | W 84-68
Vegas is sometimes very stupid, that Kentucky team finished the season 18-13. It was the 2nd game coming off a 12 loss season and they had a 1st year coach.
I still think the Kentucky loss is worse, GW was coming off a 9-21 season and they waltzed into Rupp and left with a 16 point win as a 26 point dog and ended up finishing 16-16 that year. Regardless they were both terrible losses
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how does it compare to the US beating the Soviets in 1980 winter olympics?
It doesn't compare at all. If Kenya would have fielded an ice hockey team for the 1980 olympics and beaten the soviets, that might, MIGHT, have been a bigger upset than this.
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Iirc, that ISU team lost to the 8-9 winner (Nebraska?) in their first big 12 tournament game. Add in the effect of getting shipped to Boise on Leisure Suit Larry and it kinda makes sense. I am curious to see of there is similar back story to this loss.
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how does it compare to the US beating the Soviets in 1980 winter olympics?
It doesn't compare at all. If Kenya would have fielded an ice hockey team for the 1980 olympics and beaten the soviets, that might, MIGHT, have been a bigger upset than this.
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This link shares a bit of light on it, but it's more from a point spread standpoint...
http://www.beyondthebets.com/in-light-of-kansas-tcu-heres-a-list-of-the-biggest-conference-upsets-in-college-hoops-in-past-7-years/
Was looking for this link, thanks. KU's loss doesnt even compare to this:
07-08
Gardner-Webb +26 at Kentucky | W 84-68
Vegas is sometimes very stupid, that Kentucky team finished the season 18-13. It was the 2nd game coming off a 12 loss season and they had a 1st year coach.
I still think the Kentucky loss is worse, GW was coming off a 9-21 season and they waltzed into Rupp and left with a 16 point win as a 26 point dog and ended up finishing 16-16 that year. Regardless they were both terrible losses
The Kentucky game was worse, I was just commenting on what the line was.
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Guys, you have to take into account that TCU still played pretty rough ridin' bad. It's not like some shitty team came out and rained 3's and got lucky. TCU was bad.
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how does it compare to the USA beating Spain in the 2009 FIFA Confederations Cup semi-finals?
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Guys, you have to take into account that TCU still played pretty rough ridin' bad. It's not like some shitty team came out and rained 3's and got lucky. TCU was bad.
this is what makes the loss so bad, TCU scored 22 first half points. TCU shot 39%
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Don't tell catzacker.
93-52
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tcu played with gusto though, ku played without hardly any gusto at all. at least non that i could discern.
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tcu played with gusto though, ku played without hardly any gusto at all. at least non that i could discern.
KU looked scared and mentally out of sync, which is why the loss is so disturbing. It took them over seven minutes to score a point. It's completely unprecedented for KU basketball.
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tcu played with gusto though, ku played without hardly any gusto at all. at least non that i could discern.
KU looked scared and mentally out of sync, which is why the loss is so disturbing. It took them over seven minutes to score a point. It's completely unprecedented for KU basketball.
That's potentially unprecedented for any team from a major conference.
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tcu played with gusto though, ku played without hardly any gusto at all. at least non that i could discern.
KU looked scared and mentally out of sync, which is why the loss is so disturbing. It took them over seven minutes to score a point. It's completely unprecedented for KU basketball.
I don't know. KU put some pretty mediocre teams on the floor in the 1980s.
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This link shares a bit of light on it, but it's more from a point spread standpoint...
http://www.beyondthebets.com/in-light-of-kansas-tcu-heres-a-list-of-the-biggest-conference-upsets-in-college-hoops-in-past-7-years/
Was looking for this link, thanks. KU's loss doesnt even compare to this:
07-08
Gardner-Webb +26 at Kentucky | W 84-68
Vegas is sometimes very stupid, that Kentucky team finished the season 18-13. It was the 2nd game coming off a 12 loss season and they had a 1st year coach.
I still think the Kentucky loss is worse, GW was coming off a 9-21 season and they waltzed into Rupp and left with a 16 point win as a 26 point dog and ended up finishing 16-16 that year. Regardless they were both terrible losses
Guy i went to high school with was on that GW team. Got interviewed on SC the next day!