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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
Completely irrelevant.
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
Completely irrelevant.
Please expand upon your incredibly enlightening post :dubious:
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
Completely irrelevant.
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
Completely irrelevant.
I hate you guys :shakesfist:
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I hate you guys :shakesfist:
Completely irrelevant.
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I hate you guys :shakesfist:
Completely irrelevant.
It's kind of loosely relevant, dammit :curse:
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I really admire your fire in terms of you being #teamburnitdown. You're an activist. It's rare to see someone fight what they believe is the good fight so fervently. Kudos.
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We're not winning a conference tournament title this year, FYI.
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Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them.
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Webs is a way better XandOer
What on Earth is this based on?
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Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other :dunno:
Webs is a way better XandOer
What on Earth is this based on?
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We will be good as long as we have Angel. We can expect to ride on the NIT bubble after he leaves, though.
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i'm thinking we might just need a deuce master thread if this crap keeps up. i can't wake up every day seeing another one of his dumb rough ridin' threads on this board.
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Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other :dunno:
Webs is a way better XandOer
What on Earth is this based on?
Haith had worse players, though.
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"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO
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You're saying Frank Haith had worse players last year and at Miami than Weber had at SIU and had at Illinois post 07-08 season?
Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other :dunno:
Webs is a way better XandOer
What on Earth is this based on?
Haith had worse players, though.
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"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO
Sometimes it means "black people aren't as smart as white people"
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You're saying Frank Haith had worse players last year and at Miami than Weber had at SIU and had at Illinois post 07-08 season?
Not to speak for anyone else but I'm gonna guess he's basing that off of results! Take away all of his results at Illinois and Weber still has a S16 and a couple of conference titles and significantly better overall winning % and conference winnning %. Also with his own recruits of lesser talent at a high major has won an NCAA tourney game. Their career #s and acheivments are nothing alike especially when you look at what they did with inherited great talent. Kinda says one might be a little better at this coaching thing than the other :dunno:
Webs is a way better XandOer
What on Earth is this based on?
Haith had worse players, though.
Absolutely.
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This may be true many of times and maybe the op should have just said a better coach period, because by any objective data Heath doesn't measure up to Weber even when you remove the 5 Illinois seasons where he had a Self recruit on his roster!
"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO
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So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.
You're saying Frank Haith had worse players last year and at Miami than Weber had at SIU and had at Illinois post 07-08 season?
What on Earth is this based on?
Haith had worse players, though.
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This may be true many of times and maybe the op should have just said a better coach period, because by any objective data Heath doesn't measure up to Weber even when you remove the 5 Illinois seasons where he had a Self recruit on his roster!
"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO
Objective data (career averages in efficiency and 4 factors)
Pace OPPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR DPPP eFG% TO% OR% FTR
Haith 65.8 1.14 50.8 19.0 36.8 35.2 0.97 48.4 19.8 32.2 34.1
oscar 65.2 1.11 51.2 19.0 34.7 30.7 0.91 46.7 21.1 31.0 34.2
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So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.
I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.
Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.
How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?
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i'm thinking we might just need a deuce master thread if this crap keeps up. i can't wake up every day seeing another one of his dumb rough ridin' threads on this board.
I'm sorry that I'm trying to be an active participant on this board, I could see how that might upset you. Other people seem to be at least tolerating the threads, so maybe you should offer up a splif to the crisp Kansas air and just relax a bit.
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You can argue whatever you want and you can love the offensive pace and play of a team but what you like and argue are subjective points! Objective points are 2 1st place conference finishes and the S16 compared to 2nd place and the 2nd round loss with significantly better talent! Another objective fact, Haith best conference finish was last year in 2nd place, prior to that in an 8 year career had never finished better than 5th in the conference. Weber in a 14 year career had finished worse than 5th only twice. So in 12 of 14 years Weber did as well or better than Haith ever did prior to last year. Weber has 4 1st place conference finishes and 2 2nd place finishes in conference. Pace is great but I think most people judge a coach off of wins and losses. Most measure the success of a coach off of how he does in the tourney, how he does against his fellow conference bretheren. Objectively Weber is just better. You make not like how his offense looks but it wins, Haith not as much.
So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.
I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.
Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.
How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?
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So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.
I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.
Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.
How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?
Yep, he took a defensive minded team, that really only knew how to run the break and jack up guarded threes into a finely tuned machine on offense. That's not easy to do in one year. But, Haith seems to have some kind of cancerous effect on his team's personality, and it's showing up this year. It's some kind of intangible that is hard to put your finger on, but I'm afraid that oscar has a similar kind of cancerous effect over time. I think that Haith is a much better X&Oer than people give him credit for, and I think that oscar has been a much better recruiter (or at least had much better recruiters on his staff) than people have given him credit for. The problem is somewhere in their personality, and when their team takes on these coaches personalities, then the slow slide to mediocrity starts.
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You can argue whatever you want and you can love the offensive pace and play of a team but what you like and argue are subjective points! Objective points are 2 1st place conference finishes and the S16 compared to 2nd place and the 2nd round loss with significantly better talent! Another objective fact, Haith best conference finish was last year in 2nd place, prior to that in an 8 year career had never finished better than 5th in the conference. Weber in a 14 year career had finished worse than 5th only twice. So in 12 of 14 years Weber did as well or better than Haith ever did prior to last year. Weber has 4 1st place conference finishes and 2 2nd place finishes in conference. Pace is great but I think most people judge a coach off of wins and losses. Most measure the success of a coach off of how he does in the tourney, how he does against his fellow conference bretheren. Objectively Weber is just better. You make no like how his offense looks but it wins, Haith not as much.
MU had the best offense in the country regardless of pace. Their tempo was almost identical to the national average. there is nothing subjective about that at all. You can argue that Haith's x's and o's had nothing to do with it, but that's a pretty stupid argument.
http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2012&s=RankAdjOE
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Once again, it's nice that they had a great offense, it was better than the offense that Weber had with 04-05 Illini team. You know what though, despite that he coached that team better than Haith did last year's Mizzou team, as evidenced by the little fact of him winning his conference, winning the conference tournament and getting to the National title game. Again I'm gonna go out on limb and say Weber is better! I'm thinking wins might just be a better and only objective way to judge a coach. Nice to have a great offense but it's way better to you know, win :dunno:
You can argue whatever you want and you can love the offensive pace and play of a team but what you like and argue are subjective points! Objective points are 2 1st place conference finishes and the S16 compared to 2nd place and the 2nd round loss with significantly better talent! Another objective fact, Haith best conference finish was last year in 2nd place, prior to that in an 8 year career had never finished better than 5th in the conference. Weber in a 14 year career had finished worse than 5th only twice. So in 12 of 14 years Weber did as well or better than Haith ever did prior to last year. Weber has 4 1st place conference finishes and 2 2nd place finishes in conference. Pace is great but I think most people judge a coach off of wins and losses. Most measure the success of a coach off of how he does in the tourney, how he does against his fellow conference bretheren. Objectively Weber is just better. You make no like how his offense looks but it wins, Haith not as much.
MU had the best offense in the country regardless of pace. Their tempo was almost identical to the national average. there is nothing subjective about that at all. You can argue that Haith's x's and o's had nothing to do with it, but that's a pretty stupid argument.
http://kenpom.com/index.php?y=2012&s=RankAdjOE
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You make no like how his offense looks but it wins, Haith not as much.
This cracked me up for some reason.
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I don't think there is anything you said that I could disagree with! I think the difference is that Weber has shown that he can occasionally rise out of mediocrity with his own players and be above average here and there. Haith hasn't shown he can do that with his own players.
So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.
I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.
Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.
How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?
Yep, he took a defensive minded team, that really only knew how to run the break and jack up guarded threes into a finely tuned machine on offense. That's not easy to do in one year. But, Haith seems to have some kind of cancerous effect on his team's personality, and it's showing up this year. It's some kind of intangible that is hard to put your finger on, but I'm afraid that oscar has a similar kind of cancerous effect over time. I think that Haith is a much better X&Oer than people give him credit for, and I think that oscar has been a much better recruiter (or at least had much better recruiters on his staff) than people have given him credit for. The problem is somewhere in their personality, and when their team takes on these coaches personalities, then the slow slide to mediocrity starts.
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I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
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I don't think there is anything you said that I could disagree with! I think the difference is that Weber has shown that he can occasionally rise out of mediocrity with his own players and be above average here and there. Haith hasn't shown he can do that with his own players.
So what objective data are you using to say that a mid-major SIU team had more talent than a #2 seeded Mizzou team? We know it is high school star ratings nor NBA draft status/position.
I would argue that none of oscar's SIU teams were better than Mizzou last year.
Missouri had a historically good offense (the best in the country). It was better on offense than oscar's team that had Dee Brown and Deron Williams.
How can you have the best offense in the country (any year) with poor x's and o's?
Yep, he took a defensive minded team, that really only knew how to run the break and jack up guarded threes into a finely tuned machine on offense. That's not easy to do in one year. But, Haith seems to have some kind of cancerous effect on his team's personality, and it's showing up this year. It's some kind of intangible that is hard to put your finger on, but I'm afraid that oscar has a similar kind of cancerous effect over time. I think that Haith is a much better X&Oer than people give him credit for, and I think that oscar has been a much better recruiter (or at least had much better recruiters on his staff) than people have given him credit for. The problem is somewhere in their personality, and when their team takes on these coaches personalities, then the slow slide to mediocrity starts.
I guess the issue for me is that a coach that "can occasionally rise out of mediocrity with his own players" is still a really rough ridin' mediocre coach, and someone that I don't want getting their sticky chicken nuggets fingers all over my program.
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I completely understand what you are saying and that's why I mentioned the first poster who brought up the better x's and o's should've just said better period. That Weber is better period can't be denied. He may just be mediocre but he is still better than Haith! Take away his accomplisments with Self's recruits and he hasn't had more talent than Haith. Certainly not while at SIU and with his 08-09 Illini team. Yet even with those teams he did things that Haith has never done.
I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
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I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
I'm not arguing that Haith is better at x's and o's than oscar at all. I just think the statement of "Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them." is based on racism, and I don't like racism.
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I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
I'm not arguing that Haith is better at x's and o's than oscar at all. I just think the statement of "Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them." is based on racism, and I don't like racism.
Yeah, I can see that.
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I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
I'm not arguing that Haith is better at x's and o's than oscar at all. I just think the statement of "Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them." is based on racism, and I don't like racism.
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I'm not racist at all, let alone self loathing enough to be racist against my own race!.. I just prefer facts and the reality is no matter how mediocre Weber is or may be, he is without question better than Haith. Neither has done anything great with their own players but one unquestioningly has on occassion risen above ordinary with his own players and almost always stays no worse that at average. The other, with his own players, has been average and never more than that with his own players. So one is just obviously better!
I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
I'm not arguing that Haith is better at x's and o's than oscar at all. I just think the statement of "Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them." is based on racism, and I don't like racism.
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We will be good as long as we have Angel. We can expect to ride on the NIT bubble after he leaves, though.
We won't be good after Huggins leaves.
We won't be good after Beasley leaves.
We won't be good after Pullen leaves.
We won't be good after Frank leaves.
We won't be good after McGruder leaves.
We won't be good after Angel leaves.
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We will be good as long as we have Angel. We can expect to ride on the NIT bubble after he leaves, though.
We won't be good after Huggins leaves.
We won't be good after Beasley leaves.
We won't be good after Pullen leaves.
We won't be good after Frank leaves.
We won't be good after McGruder leaves.
We won't be good after Angel leaves.
Nicely done.
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i'm thinking we might just need a deuce master thread if this crap keeps up. i can't wake up every day seeing another one of his dumb rough ridin' threads on this board.
I'm sorry that I'm trying to be an active participant on this board, I could see how that might upset you. Other people seem to be at least tolerating the threads, so maybe you should offer up a splif to the crisp Kansas air and just relax a bit.
just quit being so Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and we should be all set. big thanks to the aptly named deuce.
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i think what was impressive about Haith last year was that he did it by modifying the way he played considerably. Weber is running the same stuff he always has from what I can tell.
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i think what was impressive about Haith last year was that he did it by modifying the way he played considerably. Weber is running the same stuff he always has from what I can tell.
haith ran anderson's offense last year with anderson's players
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i think what was impressive about Haith last year was that he did it by modifying the way he played considerably. Weber is running the same stuff he always has from what I can tell.
haith ran anderson's offense last year with anderson's players
well he had to run 4 out because of english playing the 4. Whatever he did offensively it was better than anything Anderson ever put together or coached.
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i think what was impressive about Haith last year was that he did it by modifying the way he played considerably. Weber is running the same stuff he always has from what I can tell.
haith ran anderson's offense last year with anderson's players
well he had to run 4 out because of english playing the 4. Whatever he did offensively it was better than anything Anderson ever put together or coached.
no, it was pretty much exactly the same on offense. the difference was that haith didn't press as much as anderson and his 40 minutes of lame.
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I think we'd all agree that as far as we can tell, last year was Haith's aberration season. His career is filled with 20ish-10ish bubble teams and he managed one 7 seed in his career before last year's 2 seed first round exit. I'll give him some credit for having one of the top 5 shooting teams (58% eFG% is insane) of the last decade, but his career (outside of one season) is slightly better than Doc Sadler's.
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I'm not racist at all, let alone self loathing enough to be racist against my own race!.. I just prefer facts and the reality is no matter how mediocre Weber is or may be, he is without question better than Haith. Neither has done anything great with their own players but one unquestioningly has on occassion risen above ordinary with his own players and almost always stays no worse that at average. The other, with his own players, has been average and never more than that with his own players. So one is just obviously better!
I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
I'm not arguing that Haith is better at x's and o's than oscar at all. I just think the statement of "Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them." is based on racism, and I don't like racism.
You should follow the example of literally every single other person on this board and type your reply below the quoted text instead of above because it flows much nicer that way. TIA.
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i think what was impressive about Haith last year was that he did it by modifying the way he played considerably. Weber is running the same stuff he always has from what I can tell.
haith ran anderson's offense last year with anderson's players
well he had to run 4 out because of english playing the 4. Whatever he did offensively it was better than anything Anderson ever put together or coached.
no, it was pretty much exactly the same on offense. the difference was that haith didn't press as much as anderson and his 40 minutes of lame.
yeah, my point was that he had more success with it than anderson.
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We will be good as long as we have Angel. We can expect to ride on the NIT bubble after he leaves, though.
We won't be good after Huggins leaves.
We won't be good after Beasley leaves.
We won't be good after Pullen leaves.
We won't be good after Frank leaves.
We won't be good after McGruder leaves.
We won't be good after Angel leaves.
Just for comparison sake, an earlier version:
We will be fine without Lon
We will be better without Dana
We will be fine without Ski and Beane
See, Tom will turn out great
We will be fine without Hatcher and Davis
Tom was the problem, Wooly will turn things around
You're always that close to two decades of obscurity.
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that's a good point, cork. just by looking at their respective records and accomplishments at MU, i wouldn't have gotten there.
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"Better Xs and Os coach" usually means "I prefer Coach A's system/coaching". JMHO
Sometimes it means "black people aren't as smart as white people"
I think it’s based in this – it’s kind of a combination of (1) being a white coach that (2) worked his way up through the Missouri Valley (ie Mid Major) and (3) runs an “old school-ish” offense (one that “coaches” just love because it makes them feel like their job is really important). For example, McDermott was a “good x’s and o’s” coach. You never hear that about Shaka Smart though – I think he’s just a “good recruiter”.
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Thanks, I'll keep that in mind. I just have this wierd preference for being on top :cool:
I'm not racist at all, let alone self loathing enough to be racist against my own race!.. I just prefer facts and the reality is no matter how mediocre Weber is or may be, he is without question better than Haith. Neither has done anything great with their own players but one unquestioningly has on occassion risen above ordinary with his own players and almost always stays no worse that at average. The other, with his own players, has been average and never more than that with his own players. So one is just obviously better!
I think people are debating past one another.
Its hard to say if Haith is a better Xs and Os coach than oscar, and it probably depends what you mean. Haith's teams have overall been better offensively, so maybe his offensive Xs/Os are better, but its pretty much a wash.
The difference is a) oscar's teams have been much better on defense, especially eFG% and TO%, and b) oscar has worked with more talent. That's probably why oscar has had better results. I agree that its simplistic to say that its because of "Xs/Os" or whatever.
I'm not arguing that Haith is better at x's and o's than oscar at all. I just think the statement of "Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them." is based on racism, and I don't like racism.
You should follow the example of literally every single other person on this board and type your reply below the quoted text instead of above because it flows much nicer that way. TIA.
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i'm thinking we might just need a deuce master thread if this crap keeps up. i can't wake up every day seeing another one of his dumb rough ridin' threads on this board.
I'm sorry that I'm trying to be an active participant on this board, I could see how that might upset you. Other people seem to be at least tolerating the threads, so maybe you should offer up a splif to the crisp Kansas air and just relax a bit.
just quit being so Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!) and we should be all set. big thanks to the aptly named deuce.
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I watched the MU/UI game last year and remember thinking weber got out coached. He just couldn't exploit his size advantage in the post because he runs his 4 man around like a guard in that motion.
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
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Webs is a way better XandOer but won't ever build the talent up. Hadith has some pieces but no clue how to use them.
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
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I'll refer back to this when oscar misses the tourney next year.
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
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I'll refer back to this when oscar misses the tourney next year.
He won't, but even if he didnt it would have any bearing on why this stupid ass topic is stupid.
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Deuce has quickly become one of my least favorite posters. Ksudeuce - more like ksudouche. Amiright?
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Are we seeing a premonition of our future whilst watching Frank Haith ruining the Mizzou basketball program this year? I think the scary thing is that Haith has better players than oscar will have next year (minus the point guard). Thoughts?
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I'll refer back to this when oscar misses the tourney next year.
He won't, but even if he didnt it would have any bearing on why this stupid ass topic is stupid.
Is there a particular reason you think this topic is stupid?
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Weber might ultimately fail but we return four starters next year including the guy I consider our most important player in angel. He isn't going be haith next year haith was replacing four starters and about six of his top seven. oscar can live off of franks players for at least one mor year maybe even two. It seems to be what oscar does best.
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Deuce has quickly become one of my least favorite posters. Ksudeuce - more like ksudouche. Amiright?
He's still got kim carnes to look down upon.
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Deuce has quickly become one of my least favorite posters. Ksudeuce - more like ksudouche. Amiright?
He's still got kim carnes to look down upon.
i am really getting under your skin.
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Kim Carnes is a top notch poster
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I think Frank Haith may soon become irrelevant...at least after this season.
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Kim Carnes is a top notch poster
:rolleyes:
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Deuce has quickly become one of my least favorite posters. Ksudeuce - more like ksudouche. Amiright?
He's still got kim carnes to look down upon.
Things I can see from up on my perch: Kim Carnes is going bald, but probably doesn't know it yet, because it's on that top/back part of your head that you can't see real well in the mirror.
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Deuce has quickly become one of my least favorite posters. Ksudeuce - more like ksudouche. Amiright?
He's still got kim carnes to look down upon.
Things I can see from up on my perch: Kim Carnes is going bald, but probably doesn't know it yet, because it's on that top/back part of your head that you can't see real well in the mirror.
Kim going bald? Stress?
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Weber might ultimately fail but we return four starters next year including the guy I consider our most important player in angel. He isn't going be haith next year haith was replacing four starters and about six of his top seven. oscar can live off of franks players for at least one mor year maybe even two. It seems to be what oscar does best.
The key is, can bw keep up an offence on his own... my biggest concern is his 4G system... say he gets a big of his own, can he play him? Can he recruit a big who knows hes a glorified screen post? I don't see as much scheming as i would have thought necessary for his offence
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Kim Carnes is a top notch poster
:rolleyes:
The funny thing about this is that you and Kim Carnes are nearly the exact same poster.
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Kim Carnes is a top notch poster
:rolleyes:
The funny thing about this is that you and Kim Carnes are nearly the exact same poster.
honestly, kougar is waay worse. He defines "the worst".
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Kim Carnes is a top notch poster
:rolleyes:
The funny thing about this is that you and Kim Carnes are nearly the exact same poster.
honestly, kougar is waay worse. He defines "the worst".
Oh good. I missed you, Chings.
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Trump Card
oscar is white and Haith is black, therefore they can never be compared on an Internet message board.