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Are the Wildcats for real?
John Gasaway [ARCHIVE]
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Basketball Prospectus | January 30, 2013
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Led by Rodney McGruder's scoring, Kansas State is looking strong in Big 12 play.
We're far enough into the season now where disagreements between pollsters on the one hand and computer rating systems on the other no longer have to be settled with just: "Well, you wait and see." Now we can start to look at actual performance, and if you've been reading along with me for a while you know I especially like to draw on the lessons offered by conference play.
There are three teams that jump out as being classic pollsters versus computers arguments this season. Let's sort out which side of the argument is correct. (To check out ESPN's Basketball Power Index ratings, click here.)
Kansas State Wildcats
AP ranking: 18 | BPI: 44 | KenPom: 43
If the Wildcats (who play the Texas Longhorns Wednesday night at 8 p.m. ET on ESPN2) are No. 18 in the polls, but both the BPI and KenPom have K-State ranked in the low 40s nationally, then who is right?
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I asked oscar Weber that very question this week, and, yes, he came down firmly on the side of the pollsters. "I think we're a top-25 team," Weber told me by phone. "I'm not sure we're as high as 11," he added quickly, referring to his team's lofty standing before it lost at home to Kansas and suffered a defeat on the road at the hands of Iowa State. "But we've shown we can beat Florida, and we played Kansas down to the wire. It's not like Michigan blew us out. We just have to play consistently."
Weber forthrightly asked me why his team appears in a different light when viewed through the lens of computer ranking systems. ("Why do computers have us that low?"). I suggested to him it may be because computers think this is not a particularly good offense. "We've made some progress offensively led by Rodney McGruder," Weber responded. "He's starting to get a feel for how to get open and move without the ball."
You can write off Weber's opinion as biased, of course. (Though it occurs to me certain coaches would likely answer this question in the affirmative and say their teams really are being overrated. Doing so could constitute a motivational ploy in some quarters.) But in this instance I think the coach may actually be on to something.
This might be one of those cases where the narrative about players needing some time to adapt to the new coach's system really does have value. Weber is in the middle of his first season in Manhattan, and with six Big 12 games now in the books the Wildcats have actually been very good on offense. K-State has recorded 1.05 points per possession against their league opponents, a level of offensive efficiency second only to that displayed by Iowa State.
This upward trend on offense is captured well by Kansas State's featured scorer, McGruder. On the season as a whole the 6-foot-4 senior looks pretty good, but in the past six games the Wildcats' star has taken his game to a new level, making 57 percent of his 2s and 44 percent of his 3s. Even more impressively, McGruder's doing this while taking 28 percent of K-State's shots during his minutes. (And you can largely dispense with the "during his minutes" part. By my count McGruder has been on the floor for all but 28 of Kansas State's 376 Big 12 possessions.)
With a featured scorer of McGruder's caliber, and a team-wide 51 percent accuracy rate inside the arc in conference play, Kansas State's offense has definitely answered the skeptics to this point in the season. Don't sell your Wildcats' stock just yet.
Computers or pollsters?
Pollsters. After all, I did have Kansas State at No. 24 on my ballot in this week's Power Rankings. My vote says that as of Monday I thought No. 18 was closer to the truth than the low 40s. I still think that.
Butler Bulldogs
AP ranking: 9 | BPI: 34 | KenPom: 27
First I want to offer a note of sympathy to pollsters, computers, or anyone or anything else trying to make some evaluative sense of Brad Stevens' team. Just to touch a few bases here: Butler beat Indiana, Marquette, and North Carolina on neutral floors, and prevailed at home over Gonzaga in rather memorable fashion. That's the impressive portion of the Bulldogs' resume, and it's very impressive indeed.
This is the same team, however, that also lost by 15 at Xavier (the Musketeers have dropped home games this season to Vanderbilt and Wofford), and came up on the short end of a 54-53 decision just last week at La Salle (the Crusaders lost at home earlier this season to Central Connecticut). True, Rotnei Clarke, Stevens' leading scorer, missed the La Salle game, so maybe we can give the Bulldogs a partial pardon there. Still, isn't No. 9 a little high for this team?
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It's not like Michigan blew us out.
:dubious:
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(And you can largely dispense with the "during his minutes" part. By my count McGruder has been on the floor for all but 28 of Kansas State's 376 Big 12 possessions.)
Correct math from Gasaway.
And the offense has gotten much better. Our biggest concern in the OOC was shooting, and I thought if shooting improved this team would get a lot better.
The Cats have shot 49% or better in 8 of the last 10 games. 54% or better in 6.
In the first 9 games the Cats shot better than 50% 1 time with 3 more around 48%.
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It's not like Michigan blew us out.
:dubious:
i think that was supposed to be something like "it's not like HOW michigan blew us out," referencing how kansas did not blow us out.
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We are better on offense than I thought we would be. The flip side being we aren't as good defensively, at least in league play, as I expected.
We're a very hard team to judge right now.
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We are better on offense than I thought we would be. The flip side being we aren't as good defensively, at least in league play, as I expected.
We're a very hard team to judge right now.
The defense has to get better. If it doesn't, better offense/shooting won't matter.
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Cats have shot 50% eFG or better in 5 of the 6 conf games..... and we are 4-1 when shooting 50 or better.
The 1 loss was Isu when our defensive struggled and we had our worst defensive half of the year
49.8 Def FG% - Gotta be better than that in league play
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49.8 Def FG% - Gotta be better than that in league play
It should get better. We have played the #2, 3, 4, and 5 eFG% teams in the league (and we are #1) to go along with WVU (8) and TCU (10).
UT is #6 at 46.5%.
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Our 3 pt Defense had been pretty decent prior to the Isu game. Big 12 teams had shot 32.0% and only made 17 3s in the 5 games. But the 11-22 the Clonies put on us put our 3pt Def now at 37.3%. Hopefully that number goes down as well
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It will, no one else will shoot 50% against us this year. ISU's scheme and talent is unique in this conference for getting high amounts of open looks. Of course like every other team that is jump shot reliant they will be better at home and will have games where they shoot 30% and get rolled.
Saturday was an outlier for our defense.