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Did oscar really choose Orris over him? Seriously?
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Did oscar really choose Orris over him? Seriously?
Man, Orris must be a total badass.
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in fairness, visiting teams always make him look good, since they are likely all sick from the unclean water, smelly sand air, and general poverty of west texas
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Don't worry guys, in about three years you will be able to tell this as a joke :facepalm:
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kougar, he couldn't have qualified. like upshaw. no chance.
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Remember, oscar didn't pick up Jacob Pullen when he could have.
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/colleges/josh-gray-scores-16-texas-tech-rallies-past-iowa-state-for-56-51-victory-in-big-12-play/2013/01/23/cb441576-65de-11e2-889b-f23c246aa446_story.html
in case anyone missed it
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absolutely worst thing oscar has done since being at K-State.
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absolutely worst thing oscar has done since being at K-State.
And its really not even close.
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absolutely worst thing oscar has done since being at K-State.
And its really not even close.
if we have Josh on our team we would of beat KU and Gonzaga.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
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absolutely worst thing oscar has done since being at K-State.
And its really not even close.
If he had anything to do with Brucing the Jet, then I would argue that it is a little close, but that is just because I like shooting guards with scoring ability.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
you listening sys?
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absolutely worst thing oscar has done since being at K-State.
And its really not even close.
If he had anything to do with Brucing the Jet, then I would argue that it is a little close, but that is just because I like shooting guards with scoring ability.
I think Jet jetted himself. I linked an article a while back about him not showing up in the summer and his teammates being ticked at him, I'm guessing that had as much to do with him leaving as anything oscar did.
But oscar picking up Orris over Gray was a mistake and a big one. No doubt.
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what was the timeline with the whole angel, orris, gray stuff? like when angel said he would stay, we stopped going after gray? we had to promise angel we wouldn't go after gray in order to get him to stay? idk. trying to give this staff the benefit of the doubt but orris over gray seemed beyond ridiculous then and even more so now.
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what was the timeline with the whole angel, orris, gray stuff? like when angel said he would stay, we stopped going after gray? we had to promise angel we wouldn't go after gray in order to get him to stay? idk. trying to give this staff the benefit of the doubt but orris over gray seemed beyond ridiculous then and even more so now.
If they couldn't convince Angel that Gray could play the 2 and backup point guard if that were the case, they should just end it all
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kougar, he couldn't have qualified. like upshaw. no chance.
I forgot, silly me.
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what was the timeline with the whole angel, orris, gray stuff? like when angel said he would stay, we stopped going after gray? we had to promise angel we wouldn't go after gray in order to get him to stay? idk. trying to give this staff the benefit of the doubt but orris over gray seemed beyond ridiculous then and even more so now.
Those are good questions.
Angel announced he was staying April 16th.
Weber and Lowrey both visited Gray at his school sometime before April 15th and were supposed to come back on the 16th; Gray declared K-State his favorite and wanted to line up a visit. Visited Tech on the 21st (the next weekend). Gray talked about the K-State coaches not being interested April 24th. Committed to Tech April 30th.
Orris visited April 15th. He was still looking at visits to Pitt and Virginia and hadn't been offered April 25th. Committed May 3rd.
Maybe Weber got ticked that he visited Tech first?
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what was the timeline with the whole angel, orris, gray stuff? like when angel said he would stay, we stopped going after gray? we had to promise angel we wouldn't go after gray in order to get him to stay? idk. trying to give this staff the benefit of the doubt but orris over gray seemed beyond ridiculous then and even more so now.
Those are good questions.
Angel announced he was staying April 16th.
Weber and Lowrey both visited Gray at his school sometime before April 15th and were supposed to come back on the 16th; Gray declared K-State his favorite and wanted to line up a visit. Visited Tech on the 21st (the next weekend). Gray talked about the K-State coaches not being interested April 24th. Committed to Tech April 30th.
Orris visited April 15th. He was still looking at visits to Pitt and Virginia and hadn't been offered April 25th. Committed May 3rd.
Maybe Weber got ticked that he visited Tech first?
What an insecure little baby, if so.
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Also the connection that oscar and Lowery were supposed to visit Gray a 2nd time and set up his visit on the 16th and that was the same day that Angel announced he was staying.
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Are you insinuating it's possible Weber thought Gray couldn't play the 2 next to Angel? Good God.
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Are you insinuating it's possible Weber thought Gray couldn't play the 2 next to Angel? Good God.
Weber didn't think Pullen could play for Illinois, so I could see him thinking Gray is worse than Orris.
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I'm insinuating that the plan for Gray all along was to replace Angel. When Angel stayed it cooled both sides. And likely the whole time Weber was saving one scholarship for Orris.
Regardless, however we signed Orris and not Gray, it was a mistake.
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Luckily our situation at the 2-guard is tip-top.
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Are you insinuating it's possible Weber thought Gray couldn't play the 2 next to Angel? Good God.
Seems unlikely when the best team he every coached had 2 pgs on the floor most of the time. I think he may just that bad at talent eval and choose Orris over Gray :frown:
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I'm insinuating that the plan for Gray all along was to replace Angel. When Angel stayed it cooled both sides. And likely the whole time Weber was saving one scholarship for Orris.
Regardless, however we signed Orris and not Gray, it was a mistake.
oscar has repeatedly gone on record as saying that the primary thing that went wrong for him at Illinois was that he was trying to please others (fans, media, administration) in recruiting rather than recruiting his kind of guys. Maybe the Orris over Gray decision is just an illustration of oscar sticking to lessons learned at Illinois. Picking the guy he wanted rather than the guy the fans wanted. :dunno:
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
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Beyond that, I don't care how limited the sample size or how crucial the situation; when Orris has played, he's been possibly the worst player on the court for either team--this includes the Washburn game.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
Isn't Orris a complete non shooter? wasn't he like the 3rd leading scorer on his high school team?
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
To this point, it is an interesting game to see the value of shot selection, making 2PT shots, and FT rate and %.
ISU shot 51 shots. 12-28 on 2s (.429), 6-23 on 3s (.261) for an eFG% of .412. 42 points.
Tech shot 51 shots. 17-38 on 2s (.447), 3-13 on 3s (.231) for an eFG% of .422. 43 points.
Basically a wash.
ISU shot 15 FTs (FT rate of .294) and made 9 (.600). Tech shot 19 FTs (FT rate of .372) and made 13 (.684).
Tech had the OR% advantage (.212-.088) but ISU had the TO% advantage (.164-.212). Again, basically a wash.
The combo of FT rate and making them won Tech the game.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
Isn't Orris a complete non shooter? wasn't he like the 3rd leading scorer on his high school team?
Oh man, he's our Tyler Self minus the benefit of being able to seamlessly slide cash to teammates.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
Yeah, there is something about Orris that he definitely likes. I have yet to see what that is.
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Bread, what is Bruces history or stance on Franking kids?
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
Yeah, there is something about Orris that he definitely likes. I have yet to see what that is.
None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO. I'm guessing he is a pure run the offense, play good D, non-scoring PG...he'll get Martavious minutes next year I'd figure
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after this season and the next, Kstate basketball is completely and utterly mumped.
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None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO.
Yeah, I get that. But him not redshirting but also not being able to come close to meaningful minutes as a frosh says a lot. Will played A LOT as a FR.
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As has been noted, but seemingly needs to be noted again . . . is that the average Frankite gets a little nervous if a Freshman doesn't come in and show well right out of the gate. Now, I have no idea if Orris is even capable of playing major conference D1 ball or not.
But the average Frankite is honed on the fact that Freshman needed to come in and show something because of the massive peaks and valleys of Frank's recruiting, the regular Franking's because Frank made poor choices in recruiting . . . and are also jaded by Bob Huggins bringing in 2 of the top Freshman in the country, that Frank coached to a 4th place finish in conference and a weekend at the NCAA tourney.
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We can't get a read on Orris because he only plays when the walk ons play, which in turn gives us a read on Orris. Especially given how limited we are at guard.
This kid isn't challenging Angel for anything any time in this life time. Not only that, but he isn't challenging Will either, which is enough reason to Frank him.
We have Franked a long list of guards over the last 5 yrs that were all much better than Orris.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
Yeah, there is something about Orris that he definitely likes. I have yet to see what that is.
None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO. I'm guessing he is a pure run the offense, play good D, non-scoring PG...he'll get Martavious minutes next year I'd figure
If this is your determination, then yeah, I think we’ve all seen enough. And in comparison to Gray, it’s an unforgiveable sin if that’s the type of player we “expect” Orris to be. JFC, you're saying he's not going to be a scorer - and I'm supposed to love that, especially in comparison to the SCORER that oscar didn't want?
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None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO.
Yeah, I get that. But him not redshirting but also not being able to come close to meaningful minutes as a frosh says a lot. Will played A LOT as a FR.
Yes, true...But Sprads got minutes over guys like Devon Patterson, Juevol Myles & a SO Irving...not exactly the same as taking minutes away from Angel & a SR Irving (just to be fair). Redshirting seems to have made the most sense
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As has been noted, but seemingly needs to be noted again . . . is that the average Frankite gets a little nervous if a Freshman doesn't come in and show well right out of the gate. Now, I have no idea if Orris is even capable of playing major conference D1 ball or not.
But the average Frankite is honed on the fact that Freshman needed to come in and show something because of the massive peaks and valleys of Frank's recruiting, the regular Franking's because Frank made poor choices in recruiting . . . and are also jaded by Bob Huggins bringing in 2 of the top Freshman in the country, that Frank coached to a 4th place finish in conference and a weekend at the NCAA tourney.
no, we're saying a freshman needs to come in and play because we should be recruiting freshman who will come in and play. especially when another freshman who we could have had, is doing so. it has nothing to do with Frank, but again, continue the "it's Frank's fault" crusade.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
Yeah, there is something about Orris that he definitely likes. I have yet to see what that is.
None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO. I'm guessing he is a pure run the offense, play good D, non-scoring PG...he'll get Martavious minutes next year I'd figure
If this is your determination, then yeah, I think we’ve all seen enough. And in comparison to Gray, it’s an unforgiveable sin if that’s the type of player we “expect” Orris to be. JFC, you're saying he's not going to be a scorer - and I'm supposed to love that, especially in comparison to the SCORER that oscar didn't want?
The eff are you talking about? I'm not telling you to love anybody.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
Yeah, there is something about Orris that he definitely likes. I have yet to see what that is.
None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO. I'm guessing he is a pure run the offense, play good D, non-scoring PG...he'll get Martavious minutes next year I'd figure
If this is your determination, then yeah, I think we’ve all seen enough. And in comparison to Gray, it’s an unforgiveable sin if that’s the type of player we “expect” Orris to be. JFC, you're saying he's not going to be a scorer - and I'm supposed to love that, especially in comparison to the SCORER that oscar didn't want?
The eff are you talking about? I'm not telling you to love anybody.
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As has been noted, but seemingly needs to be noted again . . . is that the average Frankite gets a little nervous if a Freshman doesn't come in and show well right out of the gate. Now, I have no idea if Orris is even capable of playing major conference D1 ball or not.
But the average Frankite is honed on the fact that Freshman needed to come in and show something because of the massive peaks and valleys of Frank's recruiting, the regular Franking's because Frank made poor choices in recruiting . . . and are also jaded by Bob Huggins bringing in 2 of the top Freshman in the country, that Frank coached to a 4th place finish in conference and a weekend at the NCAA tourney.
no, we're saying a freshman needs to come in and play because we should be recruiting freshman who will come in and play. especially when another freshman who we could have had, is doing so. it has nothing to do with Frank, but again, continue the "it's Frank's fault" crusade.
A Freshman getting minutes at Tech doesn't mean he would get minutes everywhere. Hell, they had a special needs kid playing significant minutes last year, does that mean we want him on our team?
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Gray isn't just getting minutes at tech, he was their leading scorer last I checked.
Also, as for him not seeing time here, I am not looking for him to start, just to contribute. The thought that he shouldn't be expected to be good enough to contribute as a frosh is crazy.
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None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO.
Yeah, I get that. But him not redshirting but also not being able to come close to meaningful minutes as a frosh says a lot. Will played A LOT as a FR.
Yes, true...But Sprads got minutes over guys like Devon Patterson, Juevol Myles & a SO Irving...not exactly the same as taking minutes away from Angel & a SR Irving (just to be fair). Redshirting seems to have made the most sense
All of those guys showed far more, and got (slightly) more minutes on teams with better guards than Orris. Orris will never be a good basketball player for us. His highest potential is a poor man's Will Spradling.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
I don't buy that. Orris was committed to Creighton then decommitted and committed to Illinois and then decommitted. He had other options. Weber didn't need to do him any favors. Weber wanted him. Targeted him while at Illinois, lost him to Creighton and then got him back, then got fired so lost him again and then got him back again. That's some pretty dedicated pursuit.
Yeah, there is something about Orris that he definitely likes. I have yet to see what that is.
None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO. I'm guessing he is a pure run the offense, play good D, non-scoring PG...he'll get Martavious minutes next year I'd figure
If this is your determination, then yeah, I think we’ve all seen enough. And in comparison to Gray, it’s an unforgiveable sin if that’s the type of player we “expect” Orris to be. JFC, you're saying he's not going to be a scorer - and I'm supposed to love that, especially in comparison to the SCORER that oscar didn't want?
The eff are you talking about? I'm not telling you to love anybody.
I know what I said, and it doesn't say "You should love Orris"
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As has been noted, but seemingly needs to be noted again . . . is that the average Frankite gets a little nervous if a Freshman doesn't come in and show well right out of the gate. Now, I have no idea if Orris is even capable of playing major conference D1 ball or not.
But the average Frankite is honed on the fact that Freshman needed to come in and show something because of the massive peaks and valleys of Frank's recruiting, the regular Franking's because Frank made poor choices in recruiting . . . and are also jaded by Bob Huggins bringing in 2 of the top Freshman in the country, that Frank coached to a 4th place finish in conference and a weekend at the NCAA tourney.
No one is talking about Frank, you old eff.
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we have a special needs kid getting minutes already on our team, so yeah, I'd take Gray any day of the week and twice on Sundays over Orris.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
To this point, it is an interesting game to see the value of shot selection, making 2PT shots, and FT rate and %.
ISU shot 51 shots. 12-28 on 2s (.429), 6-23 on 3s (.261) for an eFG% of .412. 42 points.
Tech shot 51 shots. 17-38 on 2s (.447), 3-13 on 3s (.231) for an eFG% of .422. 43 points.
Basically a wash.
ISU shot 15 FTs (FT rate of .294) and made 9 (.600). Tech shot 19 FTs (FT rate of .372) and made 13 (.684).
Tech had the OR% advantage (.212-.088) but ISU had the TO% advantage (.164-.212). Again, basically a wash.
The combo of FT rate and making them won Tech the game.
i was looking at these numbers earlier when i made my post in the B12 E & 4 Factors thread. the biggest takeaway for me was that ISU essentially played at Tech's level for an entire 40 minutes. that says a lot.
they're going to have games where they shoot lights out and look like world beaters, no doubt. but their lack of 2 pt FG and rebounding will kill them in the end.
as it relates to gray/orris/angel, i think people need to realize that guys like gray/angel/pullen don't come along very often. more often than not, your PG is going to develop in his 2nd into 3rd year. the expectation that he should be on the floor contributing as a freshman is pretty shortsighted.
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I think the problem was oscar had some dumb sense of loyalty for Orris. I hope he looks at the situation now and sees that he screwed up by not going after Gray. I mean if Orris can't crack minutes at the 2 from Spradling and Tay, that's a really bad sign.
Isn't Orris a complete non shooter? wasn't he like the 3rd leading scorer on his high school team?
No he doesn't shoot at all, even during the scrimmage when he was on the floor for most of it he didn't look to shoot, not interested.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
you listening sys?
why on earth would i be listening to pissclams? he's a clown poster, bro.
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None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO.
Uh, the hell we haven't.
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As has been noted, but seemingly needs to be noted again . . . is that the average Frankite gets a little nervous if a Freshman doesn't come in and show well right out of the gate. Now, I have no idea if Orris is even capable of playing major conference D1 ball or not.
But the average Frankite is honed on the fact that Freshman needed to come in and show something because of the massive peaks and valleys of Frank's recruiting, the regular Franking's because Frank made poor choices in recruiting . . . and are also jaded by Bob Huggins bringing in 2 of the top Freshman in the country, that Frank coached to a 4th place finish in conference and a weekend at the NCAA tourney.
no, we're saying a freshman needs to come in and play because we should be recruiting freshman who will come in and play. especially when another freshman who we could have had, is doing so. it has nothing to do with Frank, but again, continue the "it's Frank's fault" crusade.
But the mentaility of needing Freshman to play is born from experience from the previous regime . . . don't lie to yourself zacker.
The Freshman that is playing, is playing at what was and probably still is the worst team in the Big 12, with woeful depth problems, that K-State does not have . . . and no, using current outcomes in conjunction with the way back machine is not applicable on any level in regards to what the staff was looking at on paper months ago. Then you add the list of guards that K-State was targeting in the next class . . . a potential Franking of Orris becomes easier then the log jam that would have likely commenced. Gray is shooting 38% from the floor, 21% from behind the arc, and has a negative turnover to assist ratio. If you think that's moving Tay, Will, Shane and ArT off the block you're eff'd in the head.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
you listening sys?
why on earth would i be listening to pissclams? he's a clown poster, bro.
:lol:
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Orris is shooting who-gives-a-eff-because-he's-only-playing-against-Washburn-and-doing-it-badly-even-then.
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Bread, what is Bruces history or stance on Franking kids?
There was never a legitimate franking at Illinois. Some guys left the program early (e.g., Alex Legion and Rodney Alexander), but it never had a ran off kind of feel. Just knew that they weren't going to play and didn't fit in oscar's offense so they left. Both were transfers in to begin with so not really surpising. Rich Semrau and CJ Jackson passed up fifth years of eligibilty, but they didn't play their first four so that made sense. They still stayed on the bench for four years with no meaningful pt.
oscar franked the hell out of that kid with the heart condition at K-State though, so you know maybe he changed.
Kid: "I have a heart condition, but I can play with it. I really want to stay on the team coach."
oscar: MOOSH
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None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO.
Uh, the hell we haven't.
He has played 39 minutes of garbage time basketball. Your talent evaluation skills are remarkable.
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None of us have seen enough to Love/Hate Orris at this point IMO.
Uh, the hell we haven't.
He has played 39 minutes of garbage time basketball. Your talent evaluation skills are remarkable.
Tell me something I DON'T know.
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Bread, what is Bruces history or stance on Franking kids?
There was never a legitimate franking at Illinois. Some guys left the program early (e.g., Alex Legion and Rodney Alexander), but it never had a ran off kind of feel. Just knew that they weren't going to play and didn't fit in oscar's offense so they left. Both were transfers in to begin with so not really surpising. Rich Semrau and CJ Jackson passed up fifth years of eligibilty, but they didn't play their first four so that made sense. They still stayed on the bench for four years with no meaningful pt.
oscar franked the hell out of that kid with the heart condition at K-State though, so you know maybe he changed.
Kid: "I have a heart condition, but I can play with it. I really want to stay on the team coach."
oscar: MOOSH
Welp, hope Orris gets the best sophomore bounce in the history of KSU.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
To this point, it is an interesting game to see the value of shot selection, making 2PT shots, and FT rate and %.
ISU shot 51 shots. 12-28 on 2s (.429), 6-23 on 3s (.261) for an eFG% of .412. 42 points.
Tech shot 51 shots. 17-38 on 2s (.447), 3-13 on 3s (.231) for an eFG% of .422. 43 points.
Basically a wash.
ISU shot 15 FTs (FT rate of .294) and made 9 (.600). Tech shot 19 FTs (FT rate of .372) and made 13 (.684).
Tech had the OR% advantage (.212-.088) but ISU had the TO% advantage (.164-.212). Again, basically a wash.
The combo of FT rate and making them won Tech the game.
I don't think it's really all that fair to call shot selection a wash when Tech's shot selection led to more free throws.
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Gray is averaging the same points as Tolbert for Tech. Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's better than Orris.
I guess, the question is, who would you rather have on your team: Orris or Gray.
Fight all you want about what his contribution level will be, but I'll take Gray.
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I will say that Gray is an inefficient scorer and turns it over a lot, but not unexpected for a FR that is being relied on heavily. Still would be nice to have.
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the fact that we haven't seen Orris play given our guard situation means we've seen enough to know Orris is garbage.
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I will say that Gray is an inefficient scorer and turns it over a lot, but not unexpected for a FR that is being relied on heavily. Still would be nice to have.
His system and "supporting cast" contribute to his inefficiency and TO issues.
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Because Orris is white and isn't a shooter makes me wish we had Gray instead. We already have one too many white guards on the team.
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Because Orris is white and isn't a shooter makes me wish we had Gray instead. We already have one too many white guards on the team.
Cool story, bro. :opcat:
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Because Orris is white and isn't a shooter makes me wish we had Gray instead. We already have one too many white guards on the team.
Cool story, bro. :opcat:
Just saying that maybe the reason we have Orris and not Gray is the same reason Will gets more minutes than Tay. :dunno:
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
It looks like he might be a poor man's Aaron Schwartzendruber.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
It looks like he might be a poor man's Aaron Schwartzendruber.
Druber could shoot, I am afraid you mean Josh Kimm
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
It looks like he might be a poor man's Aaron Schwartzendruber.
Druber could shoot, I am afraid you mean Josh Kimm
Druber shot .286 from 3 his JR year. His numbers are really similar to Will's actually.
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drubs also averaged like 35 points in highschool though so at least there was some history of him looking to do something with the ball other than looking for someone else to safely pass it to.
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Gray is averaging the same points as Tolbert for Tech. Yeah, I'm going to go out on a limb and say he's better than Orris.
I guess, the question is, who would you rather have on your team: Orris or Gray.
Fight all you want about what his contribution level will be, but I'll take Gray.
I don't disagree and I am not fighting . . . but I don't think I am going to far out on a limb by saying that Gray would have little if any impact this year at K-State.
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Poor man's Adam Lopez.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
It looks like he might be a poor man's Aaron Schwartzendruber.
Druber could shoot, I am afraid you mean Josh Kimm
Druber shot .286 from 3 his JR year. His numbers are really similar to Will's actually.
Yeah, I believe someone dubbed Will Spradzendruber pretty early in his Fr year.
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shocked to see ISU (not good team) be unable to overcome poor 3 pt shooting (again) and lose (again). :lol:
you listening sys?
why on earth would i be listening to pissclams? he's a clown poster, bro.
rough ridin' nazi
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the fact that we haven't seen Orris play given our guard situation means we've seen enough to know Orris is garbage.
you can do so much better than this, sad really
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
need to move on down to homeless on socio economic scale
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
ur dum
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
I don't think that he is garbage. I would take him over everyone of our guards(Spradling, Martavious, the main ball handlers), maybe even Angel.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
I don't think that he is garbage. I would take him over everyone of our guards(Spradling, Martavious, the main ball handlers), maybe even Angel.
Isn't craft the kid is fantastic at assists and D but can't score at all? If so, not over Angel.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
All of phog.net thinks this about Craft, and thinks it with enthusiasm. It's weird.
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
All of phog.net thinks this about Craft, and thinks it with enthusiasm. It's weird.
I love Ol' Rosie Cheeks
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My hope for Orris is a poor man's Aaron Craft.
Yikes.
I said poor man's... and I stole that comparison from something that Bossi reportedly said.
Oh, I know, _fan. I just think that the regular Aaron Craft is garbage.
All of phog.net thinks this about Craft, and thinks it with enthusiasm. It's weird.
His numbers aren't much different than Spradling's. But hey, kudos to you if you're impressed by his rosey cheeks and his flopping, court slapping style of play.
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Court slapping is fantastic when done correctly
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But hey, kudos to you if you're impressed by his rosey cheeks and his flopping, court slapping style of play.
Can I safely assume you hated Jarrod Haas?
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But hey, kudos to you if you're impressed by his rosey cheeks and his flopping, court slapping style of play.
Can I safely assume you hated Jarrod Haas?
Can I safely assume you're a fan of Will Spradling?
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http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=career&add=aaron-craft&p1=will-spradling&will-spradling=career
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But hey, kudos to you if you're impressed by his rosey cheeks and his flopping, court slapping style of play.
Can I safely assume you hated Jarrod Haas?
Can I safely assume you're a fan of Will Spradling?
Well, no, Beems, because I never said I liked Aaron Craft. So your assumption would be a bad one.
Now: Jarrod Haas...you hated him, right? Bought a copy of Floor Burns just so you could poop on it?
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http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=career&add=aaron-craft&p1=will-spradling&will-spradling=career
basically will spradling!
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But hey, kudos to you if you're impressed by his rosey cheeks and his flopping, court slapping style of play.
Can I safely assume you hated Jarrod Haas?
Can I safely assume you're a fan of Will Spradling?
Well, no, Beems, because I never said I liked Aaron Craft. So your assumption would be a bad one.
Now: Jarrod Haas...you hated him, right? Bought a copy of Floor Burns just so you could poop on it?
Who are you comparing to Haase? Craft? LOL. Haase led KU in scoring as a sophomore and was Big 8 Newcomer of the Year. His numbers dipped a little bit as a senior (12 ppg), but he was a much better scorer than Craft and Spradling. He was known for hustling and diving for loose balls, not flopping and court slapping like a pussy. Fail again, kougs.
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http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?aaron-craft=career&add=aaron-craft&p1=will-spradling&will-spradling=career
basically will spradling!
Pretty damn close.
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Aaron Craft is one of the best, if no the best, on ball defender in college basketball.
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Who the hell is aaron craft???
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He was known for hustling and diving for loose balls, not flopping and court slapping like a pussy.
:lol:
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i liked jerod haase a lot.
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There's likely a large contingent of ku fans who are a little upset that ku's stars are predominately African American, with only one white guy making any significant contributions, this is a significant change, particulary as compared to the Roy Williams years, and even the Larry Brown years . . . and so they hate Aaron Craft because they wish he was playing for ku.
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Oh, and while he's played a few more minutes than Spradling over the last 5 games, and shot fewer 3's . . . Craft is 55% from the floor over that stretch, has 20 steals to Spradling's 4, and 20 assists to Spradling's 12, and they both have the same amount of turnovers, the difference being that Craft has positive assist to turnover ratio and Spradling has a negative assist to turnover ratio. Spradling is also shooting 50% from the line to Craft's 88% from the stripe over the last 5 games.
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Fortunately for the cats we got Craft 2.0 on our bench :ksu:
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
niiiice
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
he really only half qualifies for this discussion
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
Averaged 16.0 and 15.3 ppg while at KU, and was the 16th overall pick in the '93 NBA Draft.
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There's likely a large contingent of ku fans who are a little upset that ku's stars are predominately African American, with only one white guy making any significant contributions, this is a significant change, particulary as compared to the Roy Williams years, and even the Larry Brown years . . . and so they hate Aaron Craft because they wish he was playing for ku.
:facepalm:
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There's likely a large contingent of ku fans who are a little upset that ku's stars are predominately African American, with only one white guy making any significant contributions, this is a significant change, particulary as compared to the Roy Williams years, and even the Larry Brown years . . . and so they hate Aaron Craft because they wish he was playing for ku.
:facepalm:
There's a reason guys like Wilt spent 4 decades not associating with ku beems.
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I like that KU fans believe Wilt Chamberlin is the best basketball player of all time. Not Jordan over Lebron. And if you ask them, "it's not even close".
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There's likely a large contingent of ku fans who are a little upset that ku's stars are predominately African American, with only one white guy making any significant contributions, this is a significant change, particulary as compared to the Roy Williams years, and even the Larry Brown years . . . and so they hate Aaron Craft because they wish he was playing for ku.
:facepalm:
There's a reason guys like Wilt spent 4 decades not associating with ku beems.
Dude, it was the 1950's.
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I like that KU fans believe Wilt Chamberlin is the best basketball player of all time. Not Jordan over Lebron. And if you ask them, "it's not even close".
Would it be possible to paint with a broader brush?
:confused:
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
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There's likely a large contingent of ku fans who are a little upset that ku's stars are predominately African American, with only one white guy making any significant contributions, this is a significant change, particulary as compared to the Roy Williams years, and even the Larry Brown years . . . and so they hate Aaron Craft because they wish he was playing for ku.
:facepalm:
There's a reason guys like Wilt spent 4 decades not associating with ku beems.
Dude, it was the 1950's.
There's a reason a school out in the middle of Kansas has more African American students now than a school 25 minutes from Wyandotte County and 45 minutes from KCMO Beems. Half of ku's undergraduate population hails from white flight strongholds.
You'll just have to argue with yourself from here on out on that one Beems.
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Rex Walters isn't getting the love he deserves in this thread
Averaged 16.0 and 15.3 ppg while at KU, and was the 16th overall pick in the '93 NBA Draft.
yup, another in a long line of NBA busts from the University of Kansas. also, you forgot to mention, massive jackass.
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did i mention that tyshawn get demoted to the D-league this week?
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did i mention that tyshawn get demoted to the D-league this week?
Tyshawn Taylor made an NBA roster? :eek:
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did i mention that tyshawn get demoted to the D-league this week?
A Ferrari needs tuned up every once in a while too.
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@JucoRecruiting: Josh Gray of Odessa JC had 61 points, 7 assists, 6 steals & 6rebounds tonight in a win. 26-34 from the field. Putting up huge #'s this year.
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@JucoRecruiting: Josh Gray of Odessa JC had 61 points, 7 assists, 6 steals & 6rebounds tonight in a win. 26-34 from the field. Putting up huge #'s this year.
:sdeek:
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damn.
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@JucoRecruiting: Josh Gray of Odessa JC had 61 points, 7 assists, 6 steals & 6rebounds tonight in a win. 26-34 from the field. Putting up huge #'s this year.
:sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek: :sdeek:
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Also, committed to Florida State.
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that's really a lot of points.
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At least we have Orris
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Check that, he decommitted a couple weeks ago.
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@ThatsJoshGray: Don't be surprise I train my body 3 times a day to perform like this.. Y'all the ones sleeping ..
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@ThatsJoshGray: Don't be surprise I train my body 3 times a day to perform like this.. Y'all the ones sleeping ..
:love:
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didn't he have, like, 40-50'ish the first week while we were playing the non-counting non-con?
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didn't he have, like, 40-50'ish the first week while we were playing the non-counting non-con?
He's had 47, 42, 26, 26, 42, 14, and now 61.
To be fair, their schedule says tonight's opponent was Ranger JV.
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Go get him.
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J'Covan Gray really can chuck it. 34 FGA is unreal.
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I won't completely discredit the 61, but it was against Ranger College's JV team (really). Ranger College's regular JUCO team played Paris JUCO tonight. Weird scheduling.
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I won't completely discredit the 61, but it was against Ranger College's JV team (really). Ranger College's regular JUCO team played Paris JUCO tonight. Weird scheduling.
ON THE FENCE
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I won't completely discredit the 61, but it was against Ranger College's JV team (really). Ranger College's regular JUCO team played Paris JUCO tonight. Weird scheduling.
ON THE FENCE
YES!
I mean, Odessa playing a JUCO JV team? That's just strange.
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it's fantastic that ranger college still has a jv. and good for odessa for scheduling them.
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Good for him. Nice middle finger to oscar & Tech!
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it's fantastic that ranger college still has a jv. and good for odessa for scheduling them.
it makes me wonder how close my intramural team would have been to playing some chumps if we were at at also chump school
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it makes me wonder how close my intramural team would have been to playing some chumps if we were at at also chump school
i actually know a little about this. if you could get together a few uniforms (not necessarily enough for everyone), you could have played any california juco you wanted.
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it makes me wonder how close my intramural team would have been to playing some chumps if we were at at also chump school
i actually know a little about this. if you could get together a few uniforms (not necessarily enough for everyone), you could have played any california juco you wanted.
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it makes me wonder how close my intramural team would have been to playing some chumps if we were at at also chump school
i actually know a little about this. if you could get together a few uniforms (not necessarily enough for everyone), you could have played any california juco you wanted.
2015 modpak? :dunno:
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Enjoy him LSU:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/20/odessa-jc-point-guard-josh-gray-commits-to-lsu/
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Enjoy him LSU:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/20/odessa-jc-point-guard-josh-gray-commits-to-lsu/
Marcus Thornton Part 2?
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Enjoy him LSU:
http://collegebasketballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/11/20/odessa-jc-point-guard-josh-gray-commits-to-lsu/
Marcus Thornton Part 2?
Definitely!
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LSU is building a monster.
:ohno:
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LSU is building a monster.
:ohno:
Yes they are!
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what happened with him re: Tech? refresh my memory, tia
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what happened with him re: Tech? refresh my memory, tia
He hated them.
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That and he was sick of playing for a loser.
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what happened with him re: Tech? refresh my memory, tia
He wanted Tech to hire Chris Walker, their interim head coach last year and the guy that played a major role in recruiting him to Tech.