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Smooth movement, good screens, getting people open for shots, etc. I actually feel we have a chance to score out of the half-court contrary to last year. Just need to hit the open ones.
HBBIQrs, can you weigh in here? Am I making crap up? I am currently on a copious amount of PCP. tia
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
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I still don't understand why we can't incorporate the dribble drive more in the curls. See Angel leading the come back in the 1st half.
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
Is this just motion in general or oscar's motion. Are there examples of team with similar styles that create FT opportunities well? I feel like there should be chances for drive-and-dishes to bigs for easy dunks/ FT chances. Maybe our bigs just aren't there yet? :dunno:
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Smooth movement, good screens, getting people open for shots, etc. I actually feel we have a chance to score out of the half-court contrary to last year. Just need to hit the open ones.
HBBIQrs, can you weigh in here? Am I making crap up? I am currently on a copious amount of PCP. tia
pretty good post.
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
Sounds like a solid approach for a team whose worst collective attribute is jumpshooting, wouldn't you say?
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
Is this just motion in general or oscar's motion. Are there examples of team with similar styles that create FT opportunities well? I feel like there should be chances for drive-and-dishes to bigs for easy dunks/ FT chances. Maybe our bigs just aren't there yet? :dunno:
Yet may even be a stretch.
We've got to be able to get chances for Gip to turn on his right shoulder more often to get 3-4 shots per game with his little jump hook. As for JO, those open 12-15 foot jumpers are probably about as good as its going to get.
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
Sounds like a solid approach for a team whose worst collective attribute is jumpshooting, wouldn't you say?
We're better at that than anything else with Rod, Shane, and Angel. I mean, the only player we have that can create or get his own shot really is Angel. That doesn't leave a lot of options offensively. I thought we generated mostly good shots tonight.
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
Recipe for losing for 20 more years to KU because we never hit open shots vs KU. Really exiting stuff.
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I still don't understand why we can't incorporate the dribble drive more in the curls. See Angel leading the come back in the 1st half.
It was clear that KU was defending us to take away the curls at the expense of giving us open threes. We had very few opportunities for open curls. Self defended this oscar offense far differently than he did the Frank offenses in the past when they aggressively pressured or perimeter players. They gave us open outside shots and we missed them.
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I still don't understand why we can't incorporate the dribble drive more in the curls. See Angel leading the come back in the 1st half.
It was clear that KU was defending us to take away the curls at the expense of giving us open threes. We had very few opportunities for open curls. Self defended this oscar offense far differently than he did the Frank offenses in the past when they aggressively pressured or perimeter players. They gave us open outside shots and we missed them.
Yeah, KU's defense is really good and they made it really tough to score, but I'll take open 3PT shots and we got plenty of those. And we kept TOs down.
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I still don't understand why we can't incorporate the dribble drive more in the curls. See Angel leading the come back in the 1st half.
It was clear that KU was defending us to take away the curls at the expense of giving us open threes. We had very few opportunities for open curls. Self defended this oscar offense far differently than he did the Frank offenses in the past when they aggressively pressured or perimeter players. They gave us open outside shots and we missed them.
agreed for the most part. Seemed like the comeback in the 2nd half was predicated on Angel coming off screens around the FT line. I'll have to wait for the replay to decide on this more.
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It generates open shots, but as bruceketball does, it limits shots in the paint and drawing fouls. So if you don't hit jumpers you are in trouble; see tonight's game.
Sounds like a solid approach for a team whose worst collective attribute is jumpshooting, wouldn't you say?
We're better at that than anything else with Rod, Shane, and Angel. I mean, the only player we have that can create or get his own shot really is Angel. That doesn't leave a lot of options offensively. I thought we generated mostly good shots tonight.
Seriously? I would say Rod, Shane, and Angel are all more consistent at slashing than jumpshots. And I don't think it's really close.
Shane and Rodney have been hot from deep here of late, but it won't last. You know it won't.
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I still don't understand why we can't incorporate the dribble drive more in the curls. See Angel leading the come back in the 1st half.
It was clear that KU was defending us to take away the curls at the expense of giving us open threes. We had very few opportunities for open curls. Self defended this oscar offense far differently than he did the Frank offenses in the past when they aggressively pressured or perimeter players. They gave us open outside shots and we missed them.
Yeah, KU's defense is really good and they made it really tough to score, but I'll take open 3PT shots and we got plenty of those. And we kept TOs down.
Have to hit shoots in oscar's offense and force the defense to chase on screens instead of going under, so you can curl and get driving lanes. I also don't think we set screens today as well as the last couple past games.
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Seriously? I would say Rod, Shane, and Angel are all more consistent at slashing than jumpshots. And I don't think it's really close.
Shane and Rodney have been hot from deep here of late, but it won't last. You know it won't.
I'll give you Angel, but there is no evidence that Shane and Rod are slashers. Even under Frank, neither got a high amount of shots at the rim and neither had a high FT rate.
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Seriously? I would say Rod, Shane, and Angel are all more consistent at slashing than jumpshots. And I don't think it's really close.
Shane and Rodney have been hot from deep here of late, but it won't last. You know it won't.
I'll give you Angel, but there is no evidence that Shane and Rod are slashers. Even under Frank, neither got a high amount of shots at the rim and neither had a high FT rate.
I would consider Rod's floater near the FT line a slash more than a jumper. Maybe that's just me.
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Seriously? I would say Rod, Shane, and Angel are all more consistent at slashing than jumpshots. And I don't think it's really close.
Shane and Rodney have been hot from deep here of late, but it won't last. You know it won't.
I'll give you Angel, but there is no evidence that Shane and Rod are slashers. Even under Frank, neither got a high amount of shots at the rim and neither had a high FT rate.
I would consider Rod's floater near the FT line a slash more than a jumper. Maybe that's just me.
I'd agree, and its a shot that often gets him going. I thought KU did a great job taking that away, which was why I thought flaring off screens was a good move to get him shots in the 2nd half.
FWIW, Rod's shot profile of layups/dunks, 2pt jumpers, and 3pt jumpers is nearly identical to what it was last year.
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Seriously? I would say Rod, Shane, and Angel are all more consistent at slashing than jumpshots. And I don't think it's really close.
Shane and Rodney have been hot from deep here of late, but it won't last. You know it won't.
I'll give you Angel, but there is no evidence that Shane and Rod are slashers. Even under Frank, neither got a high amount of shots at the rim and neither had a high FT rate.
I would consider Rod's floater near the FT line a slash more than a jumper. Maybe that's just me.
I'd agree, and its a shot that often gets him going. I thought KU did a great job taking that away, which was why I thought flaring off screens was a good move to get him shots in the 2nd half.
FWIW, Rod's shot profile of layups/dunks, 2pt jumpers, and 3pt jumpers is nearly identical to what it was last year.
Don't make the mistake of thinking my criticism of the motion O with this group is some kind of endorsement of Frank's O before it.
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Smooth movement, good screens, getting people open for shots, etc. I actually feel we have a chance to score out of the half-court contrary to last year. Just need to hit the open ones.
HBBIQrs, can you weigh in here? Am I making crap up? I am currently on a copious amount of PCP. tia
Yes you are romanticizing this offense as it relates to last year and inadvertently buying into my most despised talking point of the last 9 months. Our offensive efficiency and PPP are nearly identical this year as it was to last season and both numbers are down from 2010-2011 and 2009-2010.
Also because we don't do a good job of getting to the rim or the line we are more slump prone. We rely on jump shooting when we don't have a wealth of jump shooters. Shane giving us another shooting option has been invaluable.
personal aside, I hate any offense that relies heavily on jump shooting
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Franks offense was generally good because we rebounded nearly half of our misses and shot about a million bagillion fts
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Yes you are romanticizing this offense as it relates to last year and inadvertently buying into my most despised talking point of the last 9 months. Our offensive efficiency and PPP are nearly identical this year as it was to last season and both numbers are down from 2010-2011 and 2009-2010.
Also because we don't do a good job of getting to the rim or the line we are more slump prone. We rely on jump shooting when we don't have a wealth of jump shooters. Shane giving us another shooting option has been invaluable.
personal aside, I hate any offense that relies heavily on jump shooting
I would not make any claim that this offense is better than Frank's, its just different. I agree with your concern that relying on jump shooting can get you into trouble. To me there are similarities here to run/pass ratios in football. I thought last night we swung too far to relying on 3s and got out of balance. I anticipated that oscar's plan would be to shoot 3s often against KU's defense, but not over half our shots. The other day I mentioned that 35% is probably the minimum, and I can see going up to 40% of your shots being 3s, but you've still got to get into the lane and get some 2PT jump shots. Also, you've got to make some 2s, and we only shot 41% on 2s last night, so were actually more efficient shooting 3s, even though we were only 9-30. (eFG% on 3s of 45% compared to 41% on 2s).
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oscar's offense gets shots, frank's gets baskets.
oscar's offense moves the ball around the perimeter, frank's moves it towards the basket.
those are both imo's. i agree with MIR on relying on jump shots.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
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I find it humorous people think oscar's plan was jacking up a bunch of 3s.
That wasn't oscar's plan. It was Bill's, to give everyone but Rodney that shot all night long. We basically took Bill's bait, swallowed the hook, and choked on it.
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I find it humorous people think oscar's plan was jacking up a bunch of 3s.
That wasn't oscar's plan. It was Bill's, to give everyone but Rodney that shot all night long. We basically took Bill's bait, swallowed the hook, and choked on it.
Shane, Will, and Tay were hitting those shots.
Yes you are romanticizing this offense as it relates to last year and inadvertently buying into my most despised talking point of the last 9 months. Our offensive efficiency and PPP are nearly identical this year as it was to last season and both numbers are down from 2010-2011 and 2009-2010.
Also because we don't do a good job of getting to the rim or the line we are more slump prone. We rely on jump shooting when we don't have a wealth of jump shooters. Shane giving us another shooting option has been invaluable.
personal aside, I hate any offense that relies heavily on jump shooting
I would not make any claim that this offense is better than Frank's, its just different. I agree with your concern that relying on jump shooting can get you into trouble. To me there are similarities here to run/pass ratios in football. I thought last night we swung too far to relying on 3s and got out of balance. I anticipated that oscar's plan would be to shoot 3s often against KU's defense, but not over half our shots. The other day I mentioned that 35% is probably the minimum, and I can see going up to 40% of your shots being 3s, but you've still got to get into the lane and get some 2PT jump shots. Also, you've got to make some 2s, and we only shot 41% on 2s last night, so were actually more efficient shooting 3s, even though we were only 9-30. (eFG% on 3s of 45% compared to 41% on 2s).
If we hit half of our early 3s in the first half we have a radically different game at halftime. Those early misses were just destructive to oscar's game plan. If Will hits any of his early shots oscar looks like a damn genius, but in hindsight it looks as Koug describes, a hook/line/sinker scenario. I would have loved to see Tay take more effort on finding more 3s.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
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"FOOL'S GOLD"
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds. seems simple but it isn't and while other teams will try to accomplish the same thing against us, they won't have the athletes to execute the same defensive strategy. we're not a great team offensively but we're not as terrible as some of the posters here think, either.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds.
i agree. oscar was more the complicit in it. at least Rod (and travis) got a good cardio workout.
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Man, there's just nothing nicer than having a team of actual basketball players who can hit open jump shots, the jump shot, literally one of the basic components of the game itself. . . how many times over the years have guys like Rodney and Sexy Shane tried "slashing" to much and ended up jacking up multiple shots that left you :lol: .
How many times was Frank bailed out by Pullen or Clemente just rocking and firing because his $hit offense couldn't create anything else? To many times to count.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds.
i agree. oscar was more the complicit in it. at least Rod (and travis) got a good cardio workout.
oscar isn't the only k-state coach in recent memory to have his crap packed in by Self, do you remember huggins and martin? i'm sure they enjoyed it too.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds.
i agree. oscar was more the complicit in it. at least Rod (and travis) got a good cardio workout.
oscar isn't the only k-state coach in recent memory to have his crap packed in by Self, do you remember huggins and martin? i'm sure they enjoyed it too.
Yeah, but oscar is supposed to be the x’s and o’s genius. I mean, we had the two Neanderthals who didn’t know anything about basketball. But now, I mean, Mr. X and O was supposed to swing the biggest whiteboard on the block.
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sorry j, it wasn't a pretty good post, it was a great post. fantastic timing.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds.
i agree. oscar was more the complicit in it. at least Rod (and travis) got a good cardio workout.
oscar isn't the only k-state coach in recent memory to have his crap packed in by Self, do you remember huggins and martin? i'm sure they enjoyed it too.
Yeah, but oscar is supposed to be the x’s and o’s genius. I mean, we had the two Neanderthals who didn’t know anything about basketball. But now, I mean, Mr. X and O was supposed to swing the biggest whiteboard on the block.
phhhsss :lol:
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Do whiteboards make open shots?
If you're a coach, do you abandon an offense that you know will that is actually creating open, makeable shots, I mean we're not talking about jacking up 25 footers over and over here. In favor of a slashing offense, and grind it out offense . . . when you have guys who really aren't that good a slashers, at least against good defenders they aren't . . . and your posts players either 1-couldn't jump over a laid out copy of the Tuesday Manhattan Mercury or 2-Can't catch the ball or finish in traffic to save their lives?
I'll take my chances with the wide open jumpers.
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Dax, you’re right. This loss is clearly on Frank. It’s not on Mr. X and O sitting on the sideline just watching his team miss shot after shot after shot and not adjusting. Who wants to adjust? Seems exhausting. And it would require not running motion and yelling “move”. You’d actually have to do something different because what you’re doing isn’t working. It’s much easier to just say “Frank’s fault”.
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FIRE WEBER!
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oscar did adjust FWIW, mainly to get Rod more looks by flaring after screens. For a while it worked, and then Rod starting missing shots again.
I do think the point about getting Angel more drives is valid, which we did effectively in the first half, but not so much in the 2nd. Of course, KU's defensive adjustments probably had something to do with that. His drive, spin, and kick to Shane was really nice in the first half, as well as getting into Withey's body to draw fouls.
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Dax, you’re right. This loss is clearly on Frank. It’s not on Mr. X and O sitting on the sideline just watching his team miss shot after shot after shot and not adjusting. Who wants to adjust? Seems exhausting. And it would require not running motion and yelling “move”. You’d actually have to do something different because what you’re doing isn’t working. It’s much easier to just say “Frank’s fault”.
I didn't say it was Frank's fault, I am just talking about the usual revisionist history that always show's up in threads like this, and I am talking about an offense.
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oscar did adjust FWIW, mainly to get Rod more looks by flaring after screens. For a while it worked, and then Rod starting missing shots again.
I do think the point about getting Angel more drives is valid, which we did effectively in the first half, but not so much in the 2nd. Of course, KU's defensive adjustments probably had something to do with that. His drive, spin, and kick to Shane was really nice in the first half, as well as getting into Withey's body to draw fouls.
There were little adjustments that could have been made that would have gotten rod open looks – like, when we run all the way across the floor and our big sets the screen out on the wing, withey hedges that a bit or sticks his arm out as releford fights through the screen – JO needs to slip that or Rod, instead of sliding down or curling needs to go under the screen and get a backdoor oop. Those are adjustments, to me, that helps rod get better looks.
And any time we could have set high screens with whomever young was guarding we should have.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds.
i agree. oscar was more the complicit in it. at least Rod (and travis) got a good cardio workout.
oscar isn't the only k-state coach in recent memory to have his crap packed in by Self, do you remember huggins and martin? i'm sure they enjoyed it too.
Yeah, but oscar is supposed to be the x’s and o’s genius. I mean, we had the two Neanderthals who didn’t know anything about basketball. But now, I mean, Mr. X and O was supposed to swing the biggest whiteboard on the block.
still killing it.
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KU forced us into playing the same offense as they made ISU played against them. everything we saw was from outside and they limited our offensive rebounding to one and done. great coaching by self.
not many teams have the athletes to play the screens and force the ball the way KU does, we'll be fine.
No one “forces” ISU to shoot 3’s. That’s absurd. ISU wants to do that.
Bill wanted us to shoot and we couldn’t. and instead of realizing that and running some more ball screens for angel – like, let’s say run shane (at the four, who young would be guarding) on a ball screen up top for angel, JO sitting on the block w/ Withey, angel pushes it towards the lane and gets the ball to the rim (with withey coming over for the block/help) and jo for the alley or the clean up. We had that any time we wanted with young on the court.
this is true, that's ISU's offense.
i'm not sure if you're ignoring my point though, and that is what self's coaching staff did to us. our new offense looked the way it did last night because of how KU played us. close up the middle, limit our rebounds.
i agree. oscar was more the complicit in it. at least Rod (and travis) got a good cardio workout.
oscar isn't the only k-state coach in recent memory to have his crap packed in by Self, do you remember huggins and martin? i'm sure they enjoyed it too.
Yeah, but oscar is supposed to be the x’s and o’s genius. I mean, we had the two Neanderthals who didn’t know anything about basketball. But now, I mean, Mr. X and O was supposed to swing the biggest whiteboard on the block.
still killing it.
ya, he killed it.
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For whatever reason, I'm more confident going forward than I was after the win 2 years ago. We almost pulled one out against the top team in the conference without a fluke 38 point performance, and on a horrific shooting night. I'm pretty lbbiq, but I think we'll be just fine. I thought starting gip against withey was going to be a nightmare, particularly when we're on d, but he did alright on him. I thought we contained mclemore until he went on a little run midway through the 2nd half.
We've said all week that we needed to make releford beat us, and he did. Happens.
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For whatever reason, I'm more confident going forward than I was after the win 2 years ago. We almost pulled one out against the top team in the conference without a fluke 38 point performance, and on a horrific shooting night. I'm pretty lbbiq, but I think we'll be just fine. I thought starting gip against withey was going to be a nightmare, particularly when we're on d, but he did alright on him. I thought we contained mclemore until he went on a little run midway through the 2nd half.
We've said all week that we needed to make releford beat us, and he did. Happens.
you're right 'meister. don't let the idiots get you down.
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HBBIQers, help me out.
Why hasn't JO taken any outside shots or even long 2s (other than that swished 3 a few games ago right after the clock expired)? I'm not expecting him to become a primarily outside shooter, but 1 or 2 outside shots a game to make his defender stay with him when he runs up top to set picks.
Last night when JO would get the ball up top, Withey wasn't even bothering to come with, leaving the lane congested and making it even harder to get O-boards.
This isn't just a criticism of oscar - Frank ignored the skillset as well.
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HBBIQers, help me out.
Why hasn't JO taken any outside shots or even long 2s (other than that swished 3 a few games ago right after the clock expired)? I'm not expecting him to become a primarily outside shooter, but 1 or 2 outside shots a game to make his defender stay with him when he runs up top to set picks.
Last night when JO would get the ball up top, Withey wasn't even bothering to come with, leaving the lane congested and making it even harder to get O-boards.
This isn't just a criticism of oscar - Frank ignored the skillset as well.
Clanking 18 footers isn't going to draw a defender out.
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One of the 2 shots JO made last night was a jump shot and he usually shoots 1-2 per game popping off screens.
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30% from 3 isn't that bad.
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30% from 3 isn't that bad.
It's not good...
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30% from 3 isn't that bad.
Yeah, 40.7% from 2 was a bigger issue last night.
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HBBIQers, help me out.
Why hasn't JO taken any outside shots or even long 2s (other than that swished 3 a few games ago right after the clock expired)? I'm not expecting him to become a primarily outside shooter, but 1 or 2 outside shots a game to make his defender stay with him when he runs up top to set picks.
Last night when JO would get the ball up top, Withey wasn't even bothering to come with, leaving the lane congested and making it even harder to get O-boards.
This isn't just a criticism of oscar - Frank ignored the skillset as well.
Neither coach ignored this skillset, it is obvious to both of them that JO is a face up big, it's why the pinch post worked so well, so no Frank didn't ignore this. He shoots the proper amount of them, as _FAN pointed out, he doesn't have the range to take all of the open 18 footers available to him. Those shots are available to him and most bigs because of how interior and help defense works.
Also to the point of what Bill did to Weber. Yes the defense was designed to force us out of the middle but our offense does that fine on its own. We only have one guard that has any interest in getting into the middle, the rest are highly reliant on hitting jumpers. This was the case with all of our previous conference games as well. The difference is that KU's length and athleticism makes it easier for them to close out on shooters and Rod and Shane don't get as clean of looks than they would against OU. There are certain defensive schemes that we should absolutely torch, like Baylor. I also think that this team with this offense and composition would have beaten Syracuse last season.