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General Discussion => The New Joe Montgomery Birther Pit => Topic started by: Institutional Control on January 14, 2013, 10:07:20 AM
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We can do a poll but it's got to be Reagan, right?
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We can do a poll but it's got to be Reagan, right?
Probably if you're liberal. But if you're conservative it's probably someone liberal.
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We can do a poll but it's got to be Reagan, right?
Probably if you're liberal. But if you're conservative it's probably someone liberal.
I'm liberal but I think JFK would be a close second.
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
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It's James Buchanan and it's not even close.
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It's James Buchanan and it's not even close.
I don't think he was ever highly rated.
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http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=22849.msg690445#msg690445
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It's James Buchanan and it's not even close.
I don't think he was ever highly rated.
Whatevs he was on the covey of Sports Illustrated!
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
I'd say FDR as well but mainly because his whole court packing ordeal.
Think if the supreme court overturned obamacare and then Obama was all like "Welp, I'm going to add 6 new justices and have them vote again"
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JFK is over-rated. So is Reagan.
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Not sure what's behind the Reagan hate, but he did what Obama can't or won't do.
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Not sure what's behind the Reagan hate, but he did what Obama can't or won't do.
I'm not sure what you are talking about here.
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Not sure what's behind the Reagan hate, but he did what Obama can't or won't do.
Raise taxes?
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
I'd say FDR as well but mainly because his whole court packing ordeal.
Think if the supreme court overturned obamacare and then Obama was all like "Welp, I'm going to add 6 new justices and have them vote again"
All partisanship aside, I could totally see Obama doing that.
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
Let me guess... you think Palin is really super smart and would have made a great vice-president :rolleyes:
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Not sure what's behind the Reagan hate, but he did what Obama can't or won't do.
Raise taxes?
No, compromise and work with the other party to pass bills he may not like for the good of the country.
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
Let me guess... you think Palin is really super smart and would have made a great vice-president :rolleyes:
WTF?
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
Let me guess... you think Palin is really super smart and would have made a great vice-president :rolleyes:
I think a rock would make a great vice president. They do nothing. Ever.
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Has to be FDR. His policies are destroying the country.
Let me guess... you think Palin is really super smart and would have made a great vice-president :rolleyes:
I think a rock would make a great vice president. They do nothing. Ever.
Has to generally avoid being in the same place as the President. I think a 5 year old that is good at hide and seek would rock the position.
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JFK was pretty bad. I guess he avoided war w/ the Cuba thing, but he also started the Vietnam war.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
LET ME GUESS YOU THINK SOME CERTAIN LIBERAL IDEA IS A GOOD...WOW :rolleyes:
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JFK was pretty bad. I guess he avoided war w/ the Cuba thing, but he also started the Vietnam war.
Yeah, but he was young, cool, good looking, and boned lots of hot chicks. :ksu:
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JFK was pretty bad. I guess he avoided war w/ the Cuba thing, but he also started the Vietnam war.
Yeah, but he was young, cool, good looking, and boned lots of hot chicks. :ksu:
yes, it's the liberal equivalent of playing cowboy dress-up.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
LET ME GUESS YOU THINK SOME CERTAIN LIBERAL IDEA IS A GOOD...WOW :rolleyes:
Has nothing to do with being liberal or conservative, has everything to do with a remarkable record... JFK was "liberal" and his only real accomplishment was to be elected as a catholic, he is largely overrated by historical standards. Open for retort and would love to hear the list of Reagan's astounding accomplishments.
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JFK was pretty bad. I guess he avoided war w/ the Cuba thing, but he also started the Vietnam war.
His support of the Apollo program was pretty great, but other than that, yeah . . .
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
LET ME GUESS YOU THINK SARAH PALIN IS GOOD.
SARAH PALIN NEVER TRIED TO DEFECATE ON THE CONSTITUTION BY STACKING THE SUPREME COURT WHEN SHE DIDNT GET HER WAY
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Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
So, you would have preferred an actual war with Russia instead of a cold one?
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
That wasn't just FDR, so let's not muddy the waters by pinning that whole thing him since all of western europe was ok with that. Also, the conservatives and isolationists in this country didn't even want us coming to the aid of the allies in the first place, so he compromised and gave stalin half. Of note, Hitler would have succeeded even more if it wasn't for stalin so he gets a little credit for saving western europe.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
That wasn't just FDR, so let's not muddy the waters by pinning that whole thing him since all of western europe was ok with that. Also, the conservatives and isolationists in this country didn't even want us coming to the aid of the allies in the first place, so he compromised and gave stalin half. Of note, Hitler would have succeeded even more if it wasn't for stalin so he gets a little credit for saving western europe.
Doesn't matter who started the cold war, Reagan ended it without firing a shot. Peace through strength. :gocho:
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JFK was pretty bad. I guess he avoided war w/ the Cuba thing, but he also started the Vietnam war.
Civil rights
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
That wasn't just FDR, so let's not muddy the waters by pinning that whole thing him since all of western europe was ok with that. Also, the conservatives and isolationists in this country didn't even want us coming to the aid of the allies in the first place, so he compromised and gave stalin half. Of note, Hitler would have succeeded even more if it wasn't for stalin so he gets a little credit for saving western europe.
Yeah, Churchill was a huge fan of Russia and had no problem with them grabbing all of eastern europe.
The fact is FDR was in failing health during the yalta conference and pretty out of it for most of 1945. Combined with the fact that no one bothered to tell Truman anything it set the stage for Stalin to Mush the allies when they asked him about post war elections.
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JFK was pretty bad. I guess he avoided war w/ the Cuba thing, but he also started the Vietnam war.
Civil rights
Yeah. I guess.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
That wasn't just FDR, so let's not muddy the waters by pinning that whole thing him since all of western europe was ok with that. Also, the conservatives and isolationists in this country didn't even want us coming to the aid of the allies in the first place, so he compromised and gave stalin half. Of note, Hitler would have succeeded even more if it wasn't for stalin so he gets a little credit for saving western europe.
Doesn't matter who started the cold war, Reagan ended it without firing a shot. Peace through strength. :gocho:
The cold war was ended by mikhail gorbachev, a mistaken radio broadcast in east berlin... and the crumbling of the soviet union's economy. Reagan just thumped his chest really loud.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
That wasn't just FDR, so let's not muddy the waters by pinning that whole thing him since all of western europe was ok with that. Also, the conservatives and isolationists in this country didn't even want us coming to the aid of the allies in the first place, so he compromised and gave stalin half. Of note, Hitler would have succeeded even more if it wasn't for stalin so he gets a little credit for saving western europe.
Doesn't matter who started the cold war, Reagan ended it without firing a shot. Peace through strength. :gocho:
The cold war was ended by mikhail gorbachev, a mistaken radio broadcast in east berlin... and the crumbling of the soviet union's economy. Reagan just thumped his chest really loud.
And why was their economy crumbling? Defense spending trying to keep up. Gorby knew they could no longer keep their crap together.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
That wasn't just FDR, so let's not muddy the waters by pinning that whole thing him since all of western europe was ok with that. Also, the conservatives and isolationists in this country didn't even want us coming to the aid of the allies in the first place, so he compromised and gave stalin half. Of note, Hitler would have succeeded even more if it wasn't for stalin so he gets a little credit for saving western europe.
Doesn't matter who started the cold war, Reagan ended it without firing a shot. Peace through strength. :gocho:
The cold war was ended by mikhail gorbachev, a mistaken radio broadcast in east berlin... and the crumbling of the soviet union's economy. Reagan just thumped his chest really loud.
And why was their economy crumbling? Defense spending trying to keep up. Gorby knew they could no longer keep their crap together.
And so... when faced with an over-inflated defense budget the government decided to cut it's spending in this area and pull out of Afghanistan so the money could be spent elsewhere in the economy and put it to better use... Crazy commies!
Obama IS a communist!
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of sysboner Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
This is way off base. FDR kept unemployment way higher than it should have been in the Great Depression through wage and labor laws
The SEC is a joke.
the FDIC encourages mal investment by banks. So it's a joke
Prohibition thing is awesome, tho
Social Security will be a joke in several years
And as already pointed out, the depression ended because of the incredible advantage the US had over the rest of the world after WWII...not FDR's policies
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but to answer the question, I'd say Clinton on the left and the Bush family on the right
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the depression ended before WWII started. The spending due to the threat of war got us out of it. (pretty much pure gov't stimulus).
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the depression ended before WWII started. The spending due to the threat of war got us out of it. (pretty much pure gov't stimulus).
The productive type of government stimulus.
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FDR:
-Set up the WPA after the great depression
-Established the SEC
-Established the FDIC
-Repealed Alcohol prohibition
-Established the minimum wage
-Social Security Act
-Oversaw defeat of Nazi Germany
So to sum up, he got us out of the great depression and through most of world war II.
Overall I would say pretty successful and rated right where he should be.
Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
Never really got us out of the great depression(that would be WWII and the fact that we were the only industrialized country that was not reduced to rubble)
Not to mention the whole court packing scandal which is actually a really huge deal that no one seems to remember.
Also horrible racist and sexist
Also interned Japanese americans without due process
Also propagandist of hitler/castro/imperial japan proportions
Also only pres to have an amendment ratified to make sure he never happened again
Kept the us in depression for 10 years due to awful progressive/socialist policy
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the depression ended before WWII started. The spending due to the threat of war got us out of it. (pretty much pure gov't stimulus).
The govt. fabricated ww2 as a form of stimulus for the US manf industry?
Other terrible FDR stuff include: conscripting the atom bomb, lying to his citizens about his debilitating disease.
Glad we have a consensus he was the worst.
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More FDR terrible policy:
Federal rationing of goods
Those weird ag quotas that were the foundation of his stacked courts horrible decision in Wickard to extend the commerce clause to everything including things that aren't interstate commerce . Basically set the federal govts jurisdiction to everything.
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Not sure what's behind the Reagan hate, but he did what Obama can't or won't do.
Raise taxes?
No, compromise and work with the other party to pass bills he may not like for the good of the country.
Tough to work with the other party when people from the other party like McConnel are on record stating that "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president"
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Also, the people saying that JFK is overrated are right. He would be looked upon much more negatively by history if he wasn't assassinated. He shouldn't even get that much credit for the Cuban Missile Crisis, as UN Secretary General U Thant was the main reason the Russians were even willing to negotiate with the US. Thant should get the lion's share of the credit for America and Russia not bombing each other off the map because of the Cuban Missile Crisis.
I knew majoring in history would eventually pay off!
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the depression ended before WWII started. The spending due to the threat of war got us out of it. (pretty much pure gov't stimulus).
At the end of ww2 there was a feeling that the great depression was returning and the economy was generaly crap in 45-46.
The thing that ended the great depression was artificially supressing demand for 5 years during the war. Once consumers were finally able to buy that new dishwasher(made in the usa because every other country is in ruin) they had wanted the economy took off.
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Wefald
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the depression ended before WWII started. The spending due to the threat of war got us out of it. (pretty much pure gov't stimulus).
At the end of ww2 there was a feeling that the great depression was returning and the economy was generaly crap in 45-46.
The thing that ended the great depression was artificially supressing demand for 5 years during the war. Once consumers were finally able to buy that new dishwasher(made in the usa because every other country is in ruin) they had wanted the economy took off.
but the depression was over before WWII started, like I said. The ridiculous growth didn't occur until after.
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Not sure what's behind the Reagan hate, but he did what Obama can't or won't do.
Raise taxes?
No, compromise and work with the other party to pass bills he may not like for the good of the country.
Tough to work with the other party when people from the other party like McConnel are on record stating that "the single most important thing we want to achieve is for President Obama to be a one-term president"
Why do the libs keep bringing this up. It's called politics and this has always been the most important thing to the leaders of the opposing party.
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Didn't FDR create the fed and elect his Canadian buddy to run it?
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Since we have established that FDR did quite a lot, whether you agree with it or not, can those in FDR's opposition state the achievements and accomplishments of Reagan? I'm drawing a blank...
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Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
So, you would have preferred an actual war with Russia instead of a cold one?
Russia was not prepared to defend itself at that point. We could have mumped them up bigtime.
Back to the topic though, I think it is high time everyone quit swinging from Jimmy Carter's nuts. There, I said it.
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Also gave away half of Europe to Stalin setting up the cold war.
So, you would have preferred an actual war with Russia instead of a cold one?
Russia was not prepared to defend itself at that point. We could have mumped them up bigtime.
Back to the topic though, I think it is high time everyone quit swinging from Jimmy Carter's nuts. There, I said it.
I think everyone knows Carter sucked, so he wasn't overrated.
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Benjamin Franklin, easily the most overrated POTUS :thumbs:
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That loser from Independence Day.
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wefald
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wefald
Good one, luke
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That loser from Independence Day.
Isn't he also the potus from the pud show 1600? God, that show is rough ridin' brutal.
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Since we have established that FDR did quite a lot, whether you agree with it or not, can those in FDR's opposition state the achievements and accomplishments of Reagan? I'm drawing a blank...
Is this a joke?
FDR got us into the bloodiest war in U.S. History.
Reagan ended a 50 year stand off with the Soviet Union without firing a shot.
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Since we have established that FDR did quite a lot, whether you agree with it or not, can those in FDR's opposition state the achievements and accomplishments of Reagan? I'm drawing a blank...
Is this a joke?
FDR got us into the bloodiest war in U.S. History.
Reagan ended a 50 year stand off with the Soviet Union without firing a shot.
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