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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: p1k3 on January 03, 2013, 11:51:19 PM
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Not melting down....seriously. but...
I mean wow, we're the Champs of the best league in football. I had a rough ridin' blast this year. A rough ridin' blast. But we have to admit that Bill's post season record is sub par. Something is wrong here, and I think most rational Cat fans would agree that there's more to it than "well we lost today...."
What gives?
Is it that opposing teams have almost a month to figure out how to stop Klein(a huge % of our offense?)
Talent? Do more talented teams have a major advantage with an entire month of prep? Probably...right?
During the regular season Bill has a plan week in and week out for the players, coaches, the entire program, etc. Does the 4 or 5 week brake affect this?
I mean we were competitive in the Cotton Bowl last year and almost crawled our way back into the Fiesta tonight, but honestly we looked like dog crap in both games and i bet most neutral observers would say we got rolled in both.
There has to be something there, right? What is the deal? Why can't we win??
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He outschemes himself.
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yes, all of those things.
:bill:
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Snyder v. 1.0 was 6-6. Not great, but not sucky. Snyder v. 2.0, however, is 0-3. Definitely sucky.
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Overcoaches.
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Time, as in too much of it is the absolute worst thing for this coaching staff.
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Time, as in too much of it is the absolute worst thing for this coaching staff.
Yep, it gives them time to come up with things like "Hey, instead of running the crap out of our good running but shitty passing QB, let's do the opposite and they will never know what hit em".
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I think Snyder has an advantage in short turnarounds like the regular season. He can probably pack more preparation into one week than any coach in America, which is why he's done so well during the regular season without top flight talent. Give the other coach a month and they can prepare their team just as well. At this point, the difference in talent shines through.
Bottom line, coaching is fine, we need more talent (we all know this). Nonetheless, we won something this year. I'll take a conference crown over any bowl win short of the NC
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My posibly stupid opinon but all Bowl games are (save the national title game) are just Icing on the cake of a season, sure they are sweet to have on top but cake is fine without icing.
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I think Snyder has an advantage in short turnarounds like the regular season. He can probably pack more preparation into one week than any coach in America, which is why he's done so well during the regular season without top flight talent. Give the other coach a month and they can prepare their team just as well. At this point, the difference in talent shines through.
Bottom line, coaching is fine, we need more talent (we all know this). Nonetheless, we won something this year. I'll take a conference crown over any bowl win short of the NC
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My posibly stupid opinon but all Bowl games are (save the national title game) are just Icing on the cake of a season, sure they are sweet to have on top but cake is fine without icing.
Stupidest thing I've read...ever
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We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.
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zacker is correct, but i'm choosing to go with the old "snyder uses bowl game prep time as practice time for the second string and younger players so that we will be a better team NEXT year".
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We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.
So, why is Snyder sucky against good teams with talent and time to prepare?
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You know how we always bitch about getting no respect? Well, the irony is that we sometimes get more respect than we deserve, and as a result, we get matched up with much more talented opponents in bowl games. And, our biggest advantage - Snyder's ability to better prepare for new opponents during the week-by-week grind of the regular season - is negated by giving the opposing coach a month to prepare for us. As a result, we lose.
Bottom line is that we have a brilliant coach who has achieved a remarkable level of success despite shitty recruiting, but we just don't have the speed or talent to win games like this in the post season where our biggest advantage has been blunted. The best we can do is enjoy the wins, feel lucky to be as successful as we are, but accept that the KITN is coming. That's K-State football.
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Kind of like the NCAA BB tourney it's all about match ups, and they haven't favored us the past two years. But we didn't play anywhere near our potential on offense last night.
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But we didn't play anywhere near our potential on offense last night.
i'm not so sure about that. our offense over the last 1/3 of the season was gross.
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Guy on radio several wks ago made a great point that seems very possible.
Snyder is great because of the amt of prep he can force into a 6 day turn around in between games. Additional time give the other coach, who may not be fantastic at short term prep, gives that coach enough time to make that gap go away. Then you are down to two very well prepared teams and then the talent, speed, athleticism differences come out.
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We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.
So, why is Snyder sucky against good teams with talent and time to prepare?
I would suggest it’s because of our talent is worse (to what degree, I dunno) than our competition. Broadly, I think Bill’s success is driven by beating crappy/average teams, which isn’t a knock on him – it’s what a good/above good coach does. What has been remarkable/surprising over the past 2 years is that, imo, we have beaten a lot of good teams.
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I think Snyder has an advantage in short turnarounds like the regular season. He can probably pack more preparation into one week than any coach in America, which is why he's done so well during the regular season without top flight talent. Give the other coach a month and they can prepare their team just as well. At this point, the difference in talent shines through.
Bottom line, coaching is fine, we need more talent (we all know this). Nonetheless, we won something this year. I'll take a conference crown over any bowl win short of the NC
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bill is also conservative and cautious to a fault. bowl games are built for coaches who have no problem taking chances.
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bill is also conservative and cautious to a fault. bowl games are built for coaches who have no problem taking chances.
All of the above and, last night, this. Bill played it like a November game at Ames, Chip played it like a bowl game when he was on his way to the NFL. I mean, not going for it at the end of the first half? trying to draw them offsides? rough ridin' dumb.
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You know how we always bitch about getting no respect? Well, the irony is that we sometimes get more respect than we deserve, and as a result, we get matched up with much more talented opponents in bowl games. And, our biggest advantage - Snyder's ability to better prepare for new opponents during the week-by-week grind of the regular season - is negated by giving the opposing coach a month to prepare for us. As a result, we lose.
Bottom line is that we have a brilliant coach who has achieved a remarkable level of success despite shitty recruiting, but we just don't have the speed or talent to win games like this in the post season where our biggest advantage has been blunted. The best we can do is enjoy the wins, feel lucky to be as successful as we are, but accept that the KITN is coming. That's K-State football.
Dead on.
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Meh. Over analysing imo. Bill is 6-9. More than half our bowl games we went in as the inferior team on paper. Who have we lost to that we shouldn't have? Purdue? For the most part its just gone the way you'd expect it to.
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Oregon and Arkansas were better than us. BFD.
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I believe he uses a lot of the practice time during December to focus on the team for next season.
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Meh. Over analysing imo. Bill is 6-9. More than half our bowl games we went in as the inferior team on paper. Who have we lost to that we shouldn't have? Purdue? For the most part its just gone the way you'd expect it to.
Syracuse.
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I mean, not going for it at the end of the first half? trying to draw them offsides? rough ridin' dumb.
I had no problem either way. Go for it and fail? Cool. Kick the FG from what would have been 35? Cool. Line up quickly to attempt to draw them off? Cool. Line up quickly to draw them off and have your own LT flinch costing you 5?
That my friends is a poor, poor coaching decision. Especially when Canoli may have been able to squeeze that FG in 5 yards closer.
Oh and having to take a TO on the second play after the KO (a 13 yard first down to TThompson) because we were trying to outsmart them. Probably couldn't decide to run the short side option. :shakesfist:
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I believe he uses a lot of the practice time during December to focus on the team for next season.
You might be right, but I would hope that a BCS win would be more important to Bill than practice time for next year.
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I believe he uses a lot of the practice time during December to focus on the team for next season.
I don't believe this at all. If it's true, then he should never do it again and concentrate on recruiting so that spring proctice has enough decent players to fill in the gigantic gaps we have.
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bill is also conservative and cautious to a fault. bowl games are built for coaches who have no problem taking chances.
All of the above and, last night, this. Bill played it like a November game at Ames, Chip played it like a bowl game when he was on his way to the NFL. I mean, not going for it at the end of the first half? trying to draw them offsides? rough ridin' dumb.
Why is Bill afraid to let his hair down and let it rip? I would have been fine with the loss if they had at least executed one spectacular play.
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Who gives a crap. Bowls are dumb. Source: the bowls are dumb thread
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I mean, not going for it at the end of the first half? trying to draw them offsides? rough ridin' dumb.
I had no problem either way. Go for it and fail? Cool. Kick the FG from what would have been 35? Cool. Line up quickly to attempt to draw them off? Cool. Line up quickly to draw them off and have your own LT flinch costing you 5?
That my friends is a poor, poor coaching decision. Especially when Canoli may have been able to squeeze that FG in 5 yards closer.
William, I'm pretty sure that the coaches did not tell him to jump offsides.
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William, I'm pretty sure that the coaches did not tell him to jump offsides.
I understand that. But the result of that decision to dick around at the LOS like that was a 5 yd penalty that may have cost us three. It's just a stupid decision to make as a head coach. (IMO)
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William, I'm pretty sure that the coaches did not tell him to jump offsides.
I understand that. But the result of that decision to dick around at the LOS like that was a 5 yd penalty that may have cost us three. It's just a stupid decision to make as a head coach. (IMO)
I had no problem either way. Go for it and fail? Cool. Kick the FG from what would have been 35? Cool. Line up quickly to attempt to draw them off? Cool.
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Meh. Over analysing imo. Bill is 6-9. More than half our bowl games we went in as the inferior team on paper. Who have we lost to that we shouldn't have? Purdue? For the most part its just gone the way you'd expect it to.
Syracuse.
Syracuse in 2010 (Pinstripe). Otherwise, we've been the dog in every bowl game the past 10 years.
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Still haven't gotten the bad Rutgers taste out of my mouth.
Rutgers?????
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Still haven't gotten the bad Rutgers taste out of my mouth.
Rutgers?????
That was a pretty good Rutgers team and our 2006 football team was pretty bad.
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Whoever said we got "too much respect" and were out of our element is a re-re. We had an autobid re-re.
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Still haven't gotten the bad Rutgers taste out of my mouth.
Rutgers?????
That was a pretty good Rutgers team and our 2006 football team was pretty bad.
Also, not Snyder
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We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.
So, why is Snyder sucky against good teams with talent and time to prepare?
Because we really don't have that much talent?
I think Harper and Brown will both play in the league. Who else from this team will? Maybe Meshak? Maybe both corners?
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We lose because, generally, we play good teams in bowl games or teams with equal to more talent. And they have ample time to prepare.
So, why is Snyder sucky against good teams with talent and time to prepare?
Because we really don't have that much talent?
I think Harper and Brown will both play in the league. Who else from this team will? Maybe Meshak? Maybe both corners?
Team is loaded with NFL talent
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I think it's obvious OBs is focused on recruiting during the bowl prep period. A lot of film work there. Those DITR don't find themselves.
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I believe he uses a lot of the practice time during December to focus on the team for next season.
I think it's obvious OBs is focused on recruiting during the bowl prep period. A lot of film work there. Those DITR don't find themselves.
These things always make me laugh. We screwed up recruiting in 2003 because Bill wouldn't let the coaches leave to recruit and forced them to focus on the Fiesta bowl (reality: we lost our good recruiters and just sucked at it like now). Now that we know we just suck at recruiting and bowl games, it must be because Bill completely changed his bowl game stance and we just focused on next year and finding DITRs.
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bill is also conservative and cautious to a fault. bowl games are built for coaches who have no problem taking chances.
All of the above and, last night, this. Bill played it like a November game at Ames, Chip played it like a bowl game when he was on his way to the NFL. I mean, not going for it at the end of the first half? trying to draw them offsides? rough ridin' dumb.
Slothfense kinda negates the whole "trying to draw them offsides" thing.
On the flip side, if we ever did actually snap the ball quickly then we'd prob get the first down easy.
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But we didn't play anywhere near our potential on offense last night.
i'm not so sure about that. our offense over the last 1/3 of the season was gross.
Remember when we used to do that read-option thing? Why did we stop that?
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But we didn't play anywhere near our potential on offense last night.
i'm not so sure about that. our offense over the last 1/3 of the season was gross.
Remember when we used to do that read-option thing? Why did we stop that?
Protect spaghetti brains
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JFC the same 3 points have been made for two pages now. It's a combination of them, most likely.
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JFC the same 3 points have been made for two pages now. It's a combination of them, most likely.
Pretty sure a bunch of DNR'ing is going on in this thread. I know I am.