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I need help understanding Nino. My bbiq is somewhat low and I'm having trouble deciphering if he's a peggy po or nancy neg to the team.
-He hustles his ass off
-He has a knack for getting in rebound position
-His shot is absurdly ugly
-Can't guard very well downlow
-Foul trouble a lot
Is he the best we have right now?
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oscar must love the hustle. :dunno:
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oscar must love the hustle. :dunno:
I kinda do too. Nino looks like a player for the most part.
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I need help understanding Nino. My bbiq is somewhat low and I'm having trouble deciphering if he's a peggy po or nancy neg to the team.
-He hustles his ass off
-He has a knack for getting in rebound position
-His shot is absurdly ugly
-Can't guard very well downlow
-Foul trouble a lot
Is he the best we have right now?
I have to think oscar likes his energy/effort and that he seems to be fully on board with oscar's system. He has an ability to hit the little 15 footer that this offense generates from the short corner area and both his off and def rebounding rates are impressive considering his size.
oscar has to know against bigger teams JO has to play, but he's also shown he's very willing to go with his smaller lineups.
All that said, it seems to me that Gip is the big that oscar really trusts the most right now.
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just spitballing here:
Angel
Macgrudes
Nino
Gip
JHR
Is that a good lineup? Doesn't seem like a lot of ballhandling capabilities, but that's a crap ton of rebounders and defenders. If McObs could dribble better, he'd be all-american.
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just spitballing here:
Angel
Macgrudes
Nino
Gip
JHR
Is that a good lineup? Doesn't seem like a lot of ballhandling capabilities, but that's a crap ton of rebounders and defenders. If McObs could dribble better, he'd be all-american.
McGruds and Nino would be out of position.
This team is going to be at its best with Angel/Will/McGruds on the perimeter. Mix in Tay and occasionally Shane out there.
Then rotate Gip, Nino, JO and occasionally Shane at the post spots.
Those 8 have to be the main guys; throw Omari, DJamer, and Diaz out there when necessary. In by far our best game against FL that was the rotation and its our best group. JMHO.
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Would Josh Gray have gotten minutes last night?
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Nino is hybrid Energy. Energy was pure d and hussle. Nino is partially d and partially o but is full hussle. And yeah he must be fully bought in.
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Looks to me like oscar desperately wants to have multiple offensive weapons on the floor, or at least several guys that can hit the broad side of a barn, which is ironic because these lineups don't shoot very well either.
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Has Justin Williams used up all his eligibility? Can confirm David Hoskins has taken medical redshirt for entire 2012-2013 season.
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Nino is mostly a complete detriment because oscar continues to insist in playing him out of position at the four. The problem is he's too undersized to play the post, is not crafty or capable of finishing at the rim against bigger defenders, and constantly out of position rebounding. He's basically David Hoskins but totally horrible at doing everything David Hoskins did well.
His offensive game essentially consists of a 10 foot baseline jumper. On an NCAA caliber team, he should be coming off the bench in spells at the three and overall used very sparingly.
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
You too? Effort isn't enough. I mean Shane is the laziest player we have, not very skilled and he is better than Nino. That is a pretty damning indictment.
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All coaches value an effort guy, especially when there isn't a replacement that is that much more talented to play over the effort guy. I think that's the case with Williams, and at this point I haven't seen where he's been some massive liability compared to other guys either.
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All coaches value an effort guy, especially when there isn't a replacement that is that much more talented to play over the effort guy. I think that's the case with Williams, and at this point I haven't seen where he's been some massive liability compared to other guys either.
I "get," on a certain level, why oscar likes him. But why do people that pay to watch like him? I know it isn't like Cartier is getting benched or something, but it is significant. You think DJamer/Shane don't bring more? This is of course already arguing on oscar's terms because there is no argument that Jo should get more of his minutes.
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I like nino
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
You too? Effort isn't enough. I mean Shane is the laziest player we have, not very skilled and he is better than Nino. That is a pretty damning indictment.
I don't think Shane is better than Nino at what they are asked to do.
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I like nino
Everything you say makes me angry :curse:
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
You too? Effort isn't enough. I mean Shane is the laziest player we have, not very skilled and he is better than Nino. That is a pretty damning indictment.
I don't think Shane is better than Nino at what they are asked to do.
Kind of hard to disagree right now, but your qualifier is so dumb I will.
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
You too? Effort isn't enough. I mean Shane is the laziest player we have, not very skilled and he is better than Nino. That is a pretty damning indictment.
I don't think Shane is better than Nino at what they are asked to do.
Kind of hard to disagree right now, but your qualifier is so dumb I will.
OK. To be fair, I don't really pay attention any more.
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
You too? Effort isn't enough. I mean Shane is the laziest player we have, not very skilled and he is better than Nino. That is a pretty damning indictment.
I don't think Shane is better than Nino at what they are asked to do.
Kind of hard to disagree right now, but your qualifier is so dumb I will.
OK. To be fair, I don't really pay attention any more.
Who is better at "doing what they are asked to do": Omari or Justin Williams?
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"He tries"
-head coach bob huggins
Yea, code for shitty
Not even really code. Just a coach cliche.
I think Nino tries harder than most on the team, which is more than you can say about other shitty players.
You too? Effort isn't enough. I mean Shane is the laziest player we have, not very skilled and he is better than Nino. That is a pretty damning indictment.
I don't think Shane is better than Nino at what they are asked to do.
Kind of hard to disagree right now, but your qualifier is so dumb I will.
OK. To be fair, I don't really pay attention any more.
Who is better at "doing what they are asked to do": Omari or Justin Williams?
Justin Williams, by far.
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I understood completely what mich meant.
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I don't think Nino is as bad as Chris Merrieweather. I'd say he's about 2/3 Ojeleye, 1/3 Jamar Samuels. Most of Samuels' third is due to his adorableness, though.
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Nino is great, losers
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Nino is great, losers
Agreed. A lot of lbbiq and kenpom calculator sniffers outed in this thread.
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he's not hustley at all. what a weird label for him to have randomly been stuck with.
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he's not hustley at all. what a weird label for him to have randomly been stuck with.
Put-backs = Hustle, not random at all.
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put backs does not = hustle. he gets put backs because he's strong as eff, likes to shoot and doesn't have plays run for him. hustle is doing things he doesn't like to do. like defend and set picks. things he refuses to do.
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put backs does not = hustle. he gets put backs because he's strong as eff, likes to shoot and doesn't have plays run for him. hustle is doing things he doesn't like to do. like defend and set picks. things he refuses to do.
He sets like 3 picks on every offensive possession? And put backs most definitely = hustle. Especially on fast breaks.
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put backs does not = hustle. he gets put backs because he's strong as eff, likes to shoot and doesn't have plays run for him. hustle is doing things he doesn't like to do. like defend and set picks. things he refuses to do.
I'll give you not good at setting picks. I stand by my defense of Nino otherwise.
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jogging over to near a guy, then letting him slip past you on your jogged cut is not a pick.
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Weird melt down over a good Nino game.
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Weird melt down over a good Nino game.
i don't think you know what a melt down is.
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Yeah, he is incomplete, but does a lot well. He was overall good today.
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I stand by my defense of Nino otherwise.
i think he's a decent player with a useful skillset. i don't think he plays with more effort than the average player.
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he gets really low when he guards the low post. Like he almost gets horizontal. very weird.
I like Nino though.
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I stand by my defense of Nino otherwise.
i think he's a decent player with a useful skillset. i don't think he plays with more effort than the average player.
I agree, I think he's a better athlete than he gets credit for.
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I think he's a better athlete than he gets credit for.
yes, but i don't understand why the idea ever developed that he wasn't a good athlete. because he didn't play much his first 2 years, i guess? dunno.
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nino's value is based on the other team's skill set, not nino's, imo. which i think is the case for most undersized 4's.
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Nino is good for this team. He doesnt force a lot of shots. His 15 foot shot is a good shot for him. Last year seemed like wanted to huck up 3s a lot. He does get good position and rebound pretty well on offense end.
His defense especially interior defense is not real good... that is his #1 weakness IMO
I like Shane and Nino getting a lot of the minutes at the 4 spot. Today they played all 40 at that spot. Now we dont need to do that every game. Some games we are gonna have to play 2 bigs on the court at the same time. I would be cool if Shane/Nino played 30 of the 40 minutes at the 4 (giving 10 minutes a game to a big at the 4) and then we could always have Shane play a few minutes for Rod if he doesnt want Omari to play
Shane/Nino = 32-35 minutes combined seems about right to me
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The post-it covering Nino's head on my schedule poster isn't being removed anytime in the foreseeable future.
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Nino is good for this team. He doesnt force a lot of shots. His 15 foot shot is a good shot for him. Last year seemed like wanted to huck up 3s a lot. He does get good position and rebound pretty well on offense end.
His defense especially interior defense is not real good... that is his #1 weakness IMO
I like Shane and Nino getting a lot of the minutes at the 4 spot. Today they played all 40 at that spot. Now we dont need to do that every game. Some games we are gonna have to play 2 bigs on the court at the same time. I would be cool if Shane/Nino played 30 of the 40 minutes at the 4 (giving 10 minutes a game to a big at the 4) and then we could always have Shane play a few minutes for Rod if he doesnt want Omari to play
Shane/Nino = 32-35 minutes combined seems about right to me
OSU was a good match-up to play small ball.
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I love how oscar has made screen setting the most difficult rough ridin' concept imaginable.
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I love how oscar has made screen setting the most difficult rough ridin' concept imaginable.
In post game he talked about how they've been having 2 a day practices during break, and one of those is a 30 minute session of just screening and cutting and different reads and options they are trying to teach for both the screener and cutter. Said it helped a bunch for getting Rod open in the 2nd half.
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I love how oscar has made screen setting the most difficult rough ridin' concept imaginable.
In post game he talked about how they've been having 2 a day practices during break, and one of those is a 30 minute session of just screening and cutting and different reads and options they are trying to teach for both the screener and cutter. Said it helped a bunch for getting Rod open in the 2nd half.
Also helped Nino get one of the most LOL illegal screens I've ever seen in organized basketball.
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I love how oscar has made screen setting the most difficult rough ridin' concept imaginable.
In post game he talked about how they've been having 2 a day practices during break, and one of those is a 30 minute session of just screening and cutting and different reads and options they are trying to teach for both the screener and cutter. Said it helped a bunch for getting Rod open in the 2nd half.
Also helped Nino get one of the most LOL illegal screens I've ever seen in organized basketball.
And it probably wasn't his most LOL illegal screen this year. There are numerous in the running.
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I think Nino watches Harp's downfield blocking for technique tips on his screens.
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I also love oscar's tp about how the screen practicing really helped McG in the 2nd half. Any reason as to why it didn't do so hot in the first half?
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Perfect game for oscar and Nino. oscar kept the rotations tight, Nino came off the bench to alleviate foul trouble and provide energy, it was absolutely the way it should be. I really hope oscar doesn't mess with a good thing.
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Perfect game for oscar and Nino. oscar kept the rotations tight, Nino came off the bench to alleviate foul trouble and provide energy, it was absolutely the way it should be. I really hope oscar doesn't mess with a good thing.
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I was preparing to napalm oscar Weber's call in show tonight over big man minute distribution but the bombing is postponed because he did a masterful job on Saturday. I'm still watching though, waiting for potential stupidity.
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I was preparing to napalm oscar Weber's call in show tonight over big man minute distribution but the bombing is postponed because he did a masterful job on Saturday. I'm still watching though, waiting for potential stupidity.
Can't you bomb about something else? This show's gonna need something special if it's to compete w/EMAW Bachelor.
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I was preparing to napalm oscar Weber's call in show tonight over big man minute distribution but the bombing is postponed because he did a masterful job on Saturday. I'm still watching though, waiting for potential stupidity.
Can't you bomb about something else? This show's gonna need something special if it's to compete w/EMAW Bachelor.
Would be contrived and I can't sell contrived, sorry bro.
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i'll be the first to admit that i'm completely shocked at the value that nino has brought to this team.
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I was preparing to napalm oscar Weber's call in show tonight over big man minute distribution but the bombing is postponed because he did a masterful job on Saturday. I'm still watching though, waiting for potential stupidity.
Can't you bomb about something else? This show's gonna need something special if it's to compete w/EMAW Bachelor.
Nothing will compete with EMAW bachelor!
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i'll be the first to admit that i'm completely shocked at the value that nino has brought to this team.
Yeah, I didn't see this. He is really good at cutting at the right time to the rim and playing off of Rod (and others, but noticeably off of Rod) when he drives. Also that no look from Angel when Nino got inside OSU's zone was wonderful. Then he's going to have 2 to 3 times where he follows and finishes. Its weird to look up and suddenly you see Nino has 13 points.
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i'll be the first to admit that i'm completely shocked at the value that nino has brought to this team.
Yeah, I didn't see this. He is really good at cutting at the right time to the rim and playing off of Rod (and others, but noticeably off of Rod) when he drives. Also that no look from Angel when Nino got inside OSU's zone was wonderful. Then he's going to have 2 to 3 times where he follows and finishes. Its weird to look up and suddenly you see Nino has 13 points.
part of me wants to blame martin for playing him out of position, but that same part of me just doesn't want to admit that i was wrong.
i mean, let's not make him out to be the next <don't compare him to david hoskins> david hoskins, because there's a lot of stuff nino still needs to develop.
and to your point earlier, osu was a great chance for oscar to play the small ball that he loves so much and nino is very much part of that equation.
at the end of the day it doesn't matter how you're making buckets, as long as you're making buckets. who cares how ugly they are.
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That dunk tip at the end of the game! :love:
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That dunk tip at the end of the game! :love:
Definitely a fistpump moment.
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It’s tough to gauge Nino because he’s played more this year than the last 2 years combined (either due to injury or frank hernia’s), though I’ve always thought he was garbage so I guess yippie to him appearing as though he’s not garbage. But he’s avg’d around 6 mpg w/ 2.3 ppg. And now he’s averaging about 3X more minutes (17.5)…..and just over 3X more points (7.1). He’s just doing it at the 4 instead of the 3. I dunno.
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Nino's offensive rating is a solid 107.5 with solid o and d boarding. Its hard to complain right now about Nino's production. I suppose I wish he would shoot a bit better.
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Nino's offensive rating is a solid 107.5 with solid o and d boarding. Its hard to complain right now about Nino's production. I suppose I wish he would shoot a bit better.
I’m speaking in relation to what’s he’s done. He’s a 4* who’s been injured and who didn’t quite have the tool set that was needed for the position he was recruited for over the past 2 years. Now, give credit to oscar for putting him in a good spot, however it has come at a cost. We’ve essentially traded JO for Nino and that’s hard for me to accept.
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Nino's offensive rating is a solid 107.5 with solid o and d boarding. Its hard to complain right now about Nino's production. I suppose I wish he would shoot a bit better.
I’m speaking in relation to what’s he’s done. He’s a 4* who’s been injured and who didn’t quite have the tool set that was needed for the position he was recruited for over the past 2 years. Now, give credit to oscar for putting him in a good spot, however it has come at a cost. We’ve essentially traded JO for Nino and that’s hard for me to accept.
wut? we've traded jamar/JO for nino/DJamer/JO.
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Nino's offensive rating is a solid 107.5 with solid o and d boarding. Its hard to complain right now about Nino's production. I suppose I wish he would shoot a bit better.
I’m speaking in relation to what’s he’s done. He’s a 4* who’s been injured and who didn’t quite have the tool set that was needed for the position he was recruited for over the past 2 years. Now, give credit to oscar for putting him in a good spot, however it has come at a cost. We’ve essentially traded JO for Nino and that’s hard for me to accept.
I suppose you could see it that way. To me we've traded Nino for Jamar mainly, though Nino (and Gip) are eating about 6-7 minutes from JO. Production-wise the numbers don't bare out that JO would be more productive than Nino, but I suppose you could argue that if JO was playing more minutes they would. That said, I think we are at our best with Nino, Gip, and JO all playing about 20-25 minutes per game, then letting others fight for the remaining minutes. Those are clearly our best 3 options at post right now, and I'd rather see them all contributing. At least lately, some of JO's minutes is on him because he's been getting into foul trouble. I really think oscar has been making an effort to get JO on the floor more, but foul trouble has prevented that to some extent.
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Pretty sure Frank played Nino at 4 the few times he played him. Remember when he spent like 20 minutes guarding T-Rob in AFH?
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Pretty sure Frank played Nino at 4 the few times he played him. Remember when he spent like 20 minutes guarding T-Rob in AFH?
nino played the 4/2/3/5 under frank.
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Pretty sure Frank played Nino at 4 the few times he played him. Remember when he spent like 20 minutes guarding T-Rob in AFH?
wasn't that kind of a energy/VO "send a message" type thing? those games are over so quickly that i barely remember them. i think nino's primary usage was at the 3 and promptly the bench after he showed he couldn't shoot and not have spaghetti brains.
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remember Nino coming in last year and guarding Thomas Robinson? :D
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Nino played 12 minutes vs KU and 15 vs OU last year then got hurt. Just glancing at the minutes, he played mainly at the 4 in those games.
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Is it possible ninos concussion had the opposite effect of sghetti brains?
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i like Nino
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remember Nino coming in last year and guarding Thomas Robinson? :D
do you remember reading rusty's post, three posts above yours? :D
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remember Nino coming in last year and guarding Thomas Robinson? :D
WillieWatalukebe here folks
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post was clearly edited. :D
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williams played mostly at the 4 last year.