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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: OlatheWildcat on December 19, 2012, 10:47:05 AM
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I posted this on GPC, if anything for a change of pace to our #burnitdown mode. Illinois fans definitely welcome to comment.
Having followed Illinois basketball, I can add my opinion to this hot debate. In Weber's first year, the team started like the Cats this year (lost at UNC, at Providence). The Fire Weber bandwagon started up right after that. However, he was able to circle the wagons, changed the offense a bit (went to a high-low sets like Self had) and they finished the non-con well, then won the Big 10.
Do I think that'll happen this year? No, this year seems like it's a giant dumpster fire. But, he is surely capable of turning it around, definitely with the lack of good teams in the Big 12 this year.
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meh
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No. Player Hometown Class Position
1 Aaron Spears Chicago, Illinois Fr. Guard
4 Luther Head Chicago, Illinois Jr. Guard
5 Deron Williams (captain) The Colony, Texas So. Guard
11 Dee Brown (captain) Maywood, Illinois So. Guard
25 Jerrance Howard (captain) Peoria, Illinois Sr. Guard
33 Rich McBride Springfield, Illinois Fr. Guard
34 Fred Nkemdi North Riverside, Illinois Jr. Forward
40 James Augustine Mokena, Illinois So. Forward
41 Warren Carter Dallas, Texas Fr. Forward
42 Brian Randle Peoria, Illinois Fr. Forward
43 Roger Powell Joliet, Illinois Jr. Forward
45 Nick Smith Valrico, Florida Jr. Center
50 Jack Ingram San Antonio, Texas Jr. Forward/Center
55 Shaun Pruitt Aurora, Illinois Fr. Forward
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The B12 blows this year. If we can't take 4th or better this year oscar is a giant turd.
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The B12 blows this year. If we can't take 4th or better this year oscar is a giant turd.
Don't see it
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No. Player Hometown Class Position
1 Aaron Spears Chicago, Illinois Fr. Guard
4 Luther Head Chicago, Illinois Jr. Guard
5 Deron Williams (captain) The Colony, Texas So. Guard
11 Dee Brown (captain) Maywood, Illinois So. Guard
25 Jerrance Howard (captain) Peoria, Illinois Sr. Guard
33 Rich McBride Springfield, Illinois Fr. Guard
34 Fred Nkemdi North Riverside, Illinois Jr. Forward
40 James Augustine Mokena, Illinois So. Forward
41 Warren Carter Dallas, Texas Fr. Forward
42 Brian Randle Peoria, Illinois Fr. Forward
43 Roger Powell Joliet, Illinois Jr. Forward
45 Nick Smith Valrico, Florida Jr. Center
50 Jack Ingram San Antonio, Texas Jr. Forward/Center
55 Shaun Pruitt Aurora, Illinois Fr. Forward
If you were trying to highlight NBA players, you forgot Powell and Augustine.
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If you were trying to highlight NBA players, you forgot Powell and Augustine.
Yeah, but you get the point
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I have to care about something first in order to be hopeful.
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If you were trying to highlight NBA players, you forgot Powell and Augustine.
Yeah, but you get the point
Yeah, I was just trying to point out that he had AN ENTIRE STARTING 5 OF NBA PLAYERS that year
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The B12 blows this year. If we can't take 4th or better this year oscar is a giant turd.
Don't see it
that's because oscar is a giant turd.
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I posted this on GPC, if anything for a change of pace to our #burnitdown mode. Illinois fans definitely welcome to comment.
Having followed Illinois basketball, I can add my opinion to this hot debate. In Weber's first year, the team started like the Cats this year (lost at UNC, at Providence). The Fire Weber bandwagon started up right after that. However, he was able to circle the wagons, changed the offense a bit (went to a high-low sets like Self had) and they finished the non-con well, then won the Big 10.
Do I think that'll happen this year? No, this year seems like it's a giant dumpster fire. But, he is surely capable of turning it around, definitely with the lack of good teams in the Big 12 this year.
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The only reason to hope is that oscar appears to be even worse than we expected and he will hopefully be fired soon. It's going to suck so hard until then.
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The only reason to hope is that oscar appears to be even worse than we expected and he will hopefully be fired soon. It's going to suck so hard until then.
Or Currie is fired immediately and the new AD's first priority is shitcanning Brucketball :dunno:
Get 2 birds stoned at once
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I posted this on GPC, if anything for a change of pace to our #burnitdown mode. Illinois fans definitely welcome to comment.
Having followed Illinois basketball, I can add my opinion to this hot debate. In Weber's first year, the team started like the Cats this year (lost at UNC, at Providence). The Fire Weber bandwagon started up right after that. However, he was able to circle the wagons, changed the offense a bit (went to a high-low sets like Self had) and they finished the non-con well, then won the Big 10.
Do I think that'll happen this year? No, this year seems like it's a giant dumpster fire. But, he is surely capable of turning it around, definitely with the lack of good teams in the Big 12 this year.
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When LickNeckey calls you a tuck, you must be the tuckiest of tucky tucks.
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Yeah, there is no hope. Currie's next hire will suck too. Just need Currie to go and I don't see any vulnerability right now. The major mistake of his tenure is the very same reason so many fans/tucks are rallying around him right now. He got rid of the big mean latino(as dubbed by some other poster a while back). oscar can flop and ppl still won't demand crap from Currie other than a new coach.
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
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The only reason to hope is that oscar appears to be even worse than we expected and he will hopefully be fired soon. It's going to suck so hard until then.
Or Currie is fired immediately and the new AD's first priority is shitcanning Brucketball :dunno:
Get 2 birds stoned at once
Maybe oscar will Petrino himself soon and Currie is forced to fire him
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The only reason to hope is that oscar appears to be even worse than we expected and he will hopefully be fired soon. It's going to suck so hard until then.
Or Currie is fired immediately and the new AD's first priority is shitcanning Brucketball :dunno:
Get 2 birds stoned at once
Maybe oscar will Petrino himself soon and Currie is forced to fire him
Like any coed or young employee would sleep with oscar.
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I posted this on GPC, if anything for a change of pace to our #burnitdown mode. Illinois fans definitely welcome to comment.
Having followed Illinois basketball, I can add my opinion to this hot debate. In Weber's first year, the team started like the Cats this year (lost at UNC, at Providence). The Fire Weber bandwagon started up right after that. However, he was able to circle the wagons, changed the offense a bit (went to a high-low sets like Self had) and they finished the non-con well, then won the Big 10.
Do I think that'll happen this year? No, this year seems like it's a giant dumpster fire. But, he is surely capable of turning it around, definitely with the lack of good teams in the Big 12 this year.
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When LickNeckey calls you a tuck, you must be the tuckiest of tucky tucks.
Ouch, this really hurts. I was thinking that I had gotten over my issues and started leaving my shirt out, but I guess I'm going back to bad ways.
I'm sorry goEMAW :cry:
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
:confused:
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
:confused:
you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point. if we miss the tourny no improvements were made no matter how low he sunk us out the gates. you know that. I take this team to the tourny. You take this team to the tourny. uncoached this team goes to the tourny.
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
:confused:
you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point. if we miss the tourny no improvements were made no matter how low he sunk us out the gates. you know that. I take this team to the tourny. You take this team to the tourny. uncoached this team goes to the tourny.
Lol, no master plan. Sorry. Just my personal opinion.
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
:confused:
you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point. if we miss the tourny no improvements were made no matter how low he sunk us out the gates. you know that. I take this team to the tourny. You take this team to the tourny. uncoached this team goes to the tourny.
Lol, no master plan. Sorry. Just my personal opinion.
you could take this team to the tourny though.
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
:confused:
you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point. if we miss the tourny no improvements were made no matter how low he sunk us out the gates. you know that. I take this team to the tourny. You take this team to the tourny. uncoached this team goes to the tourny.
Lol, no master plan. Sorry. Just my personal opinion.
you could take this team to the tourny though.
Well, thats not fair because I am super talented at just about everything.
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admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
good teams aren't worried about schedule/conference weaknesses.
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i think weber can definitely turn it around in the sense that kstate can/will play much better bball. but, turning it around in the sense of making the tournament is going to be really hard. there just aren't many opportunities for good wins on the schedule. i'd think, just off the top of my head, that the absolute minimum he's going to need would be 2-3 against uf, ku and osu. and that would assume a pretty good record against second tier conference teams. even assuming substantial improvement, i just don't see it as likely.
admittedly, the schedule and conference weakness do him no favors, it isn't all just how bad he has the team playing early in the year.
yes, great post
Not a fan of the schedule. Needed more middleweights, instead of just heavyweights and lightweights. And the conf RPI is going to be awful. Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
look at cc...setting the table. NOPE!
:confused:
you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point. if we miss the tourny no improvements were made no matter how low he sunk us out the gates. you know that. I take this team to the tourny. You take this team to the tourny. uncoached this team goes to the tourny.
Lol, no master plan. Sorry. Just my personal opinion.
you could take this team to the tourny though.
Well, thats not fair because I am super talented at just about everything.
damnit, assumed you weren't. IMAGINE YOU AREN'T. you still would!
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you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point.
This makes me think you are under the impression that I am a Weber fan...
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you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point.
This makes me think you are under the impression that I am a Weber fan...
I thought you probably weren't, but reading excuse making like this makes me think you are setting the fanbase up for failure.
Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
you don't get the free pass most do though. apologies if misread.
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you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point.
This makes me think you are under the impression that I am a Weber fan...
you're either with us or against us.
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you are setting the table for the "made improvements even though we missed the tourny" talking point.
This makes me think you are under the impression that I am a Weber fan...
I thought you probably weren't, but reading excuse making like this makes me think you are setting the fanbase up for failure.
Resume will be mighty thin regardless of improvement.
you don't get the free pass most do though. apologies if misread.
I'm saying that even if we start playing great it still may not be enough. That's not a moral victory or something to be proud of. Not a positive at all. If I was saying that all that matters is how well we play, then yeah, that'd be BS. All about the W/L baby.
Granted, schedule wasn't completely oscar's call. Most of the games were already set. But, he did add Gonzaga and I'm not sure a road game at a top10-ish team is what the sched needed, more than say a game against Iowa etc. Just my opinion.
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but we're on the same page that he's a rough ridin' loser coach and the sooner we can fire him the better. good, agreed. crap schedule.
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whether CC is making the excuse or not, Currie/Weber are going to use it. A few days ago, we only had 3 (ku, osu, ou) top 60 teams, however Baylor has snuck up there (#59), OU might hang on for a while (KSU gets them 4 games into conf), and WVU has a shot (#73).
I would imagine we'll have about 5 in the top 60 (if WVU gets their crap together), so oscar will have no excuses as to why he can't win at least 4 against the top 60 in conference like the loser coach did last year with this untalented team.
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4 Luther Head Chicago, Illinois Jr. Guard [/b]
5 Deron Williams (captain) The Colony, Texas So. Guard
11 Dee Brown (captain) Maywood, Illinois So. Guard
25 Jerrance Howard (captain) Peoria, Illinois Sr. Guard
33 Rich McBride Springfield, Illinois Fr. Guard
34 Fred Nkemdi North Riverside, Illinois Jr. Forward
40 James Augustine Mokena, Illinois So. Forward
41 Warren Carter Dallas, Texas Fr. Forward
42 Brian Randle Peoria, Illinois Fr. Forward
43 Roger Powell Joliet, Illinois Jr. Forward
45 Nick Smith Valrico, Florida Jr. Center
50 Jack Ingram San Antonio, Texas Jr. Forward/Center
55 Shaun Pruitt Aurora, Illinois Fr. Forward
How were you such a terrible poster last year, you are killing it now? The schtick was dumb.
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How were you such a terrible poster last year, you are killing it now? The schtick was dumb.
I don't know what you mean by terrible, we can't all be on the same page :cheers:
At least last year I had some faith we could pull it together for 1 game if we needed, even though I wouldn't say that
This year... :goodbyecruelworld: (no schtick)
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How were you such a terrible poster last year, you are killing it now? The schtick was dumb.
I don't know what you mean by terrible, we can't all be on the same page :cheers:
At least last year I had some faith we could pull it together for 1 game if we needed, even though I wouldn't say that
This year... :goodbyecruelworld: (no schtick)
Wasn't it the1bigwillie that was terrible? Honestly don't remember. Also I would rather captain crap was our coach than oscar weber. Times a million.
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Hope? I'd like that. Unfortunately, I'm growing increasingly pessimistic.
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How were you such a terrible poster last year, you are killing it now? The schtick was dumb.
I don't know what you mean by terrible, we can't all be on the same page :cheers:
At least last year I had some faith we could pull it together for 1 game if we needed, even though I wouldn't say that
This year... :goodbyecruelworld: (no schtick)
Wasn't it the1bigwillie that was terrible? Honestly don't remember. Also I would rather captain crap was our coach than oscar weber. Times a million.
Not, it was bigwillie20. He was the original kim carnes. He said if we made the tournament last year he'd stop posting.
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How were you such a terrible poster last year, you are killing it now? The schtick was dumb.
I don't know what you mean by terrible, we can't all be on the same page :cheers:
At least last year I had some faith we could pull it together for 1 game if we needed, even though I wouldn't say that
This year... :goodbyecruelworld: (no schtick)
Wasn't it the1bigwillie that was terrible? Honestly don't remember. Also I would rather captain crap was our coach than oscar weber. Times a million.
Not, it was bigwillie20. He was the original kim carnes. He said if we made the tournament last year he'd stop posting.
lol, forgot about that.