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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Basketball is hard => Topic started by: Barry McCockner on December 10, 2012, 07:41:05 PM
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This isn't about Frankites vs. Weberites....there really are no Weberites, and Frank is gone so supporting him now is pretty meaningless. The real division is between:
#burnitdown: those who think we are best served by a horrid season that hastens the departure or Weber and hopefully Currie as well (preferable first) - a couple of years of tragedy are better than 6 or 7 years of sub-mediocrity.
#hopeforthebest: those who realize Weber's chances for success in the long term are slim, but hope that he can keep us above .500 in conference for a couple of years and make an NCAA or two in the next 3 (keep in mind this will be enough to get him a nice contract extension and we'll have his product on the court until nearly 2020)
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Burn
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#teamdoesn'tevencareanymore
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Haven't we done this? Like multiple times?
:dunno:
I'm just going to talk about basketball.
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I'm neither. The first scenario you laid out is pretty much impossible, he's getting a minimum of 3 years barring a complete unmitigated disaster. The second one blows, I don't want to hope to be above .500 and hope for a couple of tournament appearances, no thanks.
I want the dude to win and I want the national image of the program restored to what it was. If he can't do that he needs to GTFO.
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I think we spent too damn much on that practice facility.
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I think we spent too damn much on that practice facility.
yeah, what a waste of money.
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#whogivesaeffitsstillfootballseason
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I don't want to pick one.
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
Don't you get tired of standing on middle ground, _F?
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
Don't you get tired of standing on middle ground, _F?
Sitting on the fence soothes his butthurt. :dunno:
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
Don't you get tired of standing on middle ground, _F?
Sitting on the fence soothes his butthurt. :dunno:
If there's anyone on earth who has never ever been butthurt about anything, it's _FAN. So shut your mouth.
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
Don't you get tired of standing on middle ground, _F?
Sitting on the fence soothes his butthurt. :dunno:
If there's anyone on earth who has never ever been butthurt about anything, it's _FAN. So shut your mouth.
I didn't use my mouth, it was my hands. :lol:
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
Don't you get tired of standing on middle ground, _F?
Not really, I just require more information than most to move one way or the other, sometimes to a fault.
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
So your GPC account lapsed well before last March?
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I just miss The Bram being the OOD and full :frown:
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
Severe myopia here regarding this point.
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
So your GPC account lapsed well before last March?
I haven't regularly read GPC longer than that and I don't care to. When I post here I'm not arguing against GPC logic. GPC has always had the worst basketball discussion of any K-State message board.
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Anybody who wants us to lose this year is a loser. I'm pulling for a deep tournament run. Anything short of the sweet 16 is completely unacceptable.
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
Why can't we just hope oscar wins, but real life PI him every chance we get regardless of what happens so he will be on the first life boat out of town? I mean it worked for Tech with Tuberville.
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
Why can't we just hope oscar wins, but real life PI him every chance we get regardless of what happens so he will be on the first life boat out of town? I mean it worked for Tech with Tuberville.
No, Tubs left Tech because he didn't think it would ever work out. He told Dodd that he thought he had a better chance of making a big time bowl at Cinci than at Tech. That is the coach rejecting the loser school, not the school rejecting the loser coach. Completely different things here.
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
Why can't we just hope oscar wins, but real life PI him every chance we get regardless of what happens so he will be on the first life boat out of town? I mean it worked for Tech with Tuberville.
oscar seems like the type of guy that wouldn't realize you were talking crap to him even if you did it right in his face
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
Why can't we just hope oscar wins, but real life PI him every chance we get regardless of what happens so he will be on the first life boat out of town? I mean it worked for Tech with Tuberville.
No, Tubs left Tech because he didn't think it would ever work out. He told Dodd that he thought he had a better chance of making a big time bowl at Cinci than at Tech. That is the coach rejecting the loser school, not the school rejecting the loser coach. Completely different things here.
So if you see oscar walking down the street, roll down your window and scream "you can't win here!" If you see oscar at the grocery store, tell him anything less than a conference championship just won't cut it, and smack the produce right out of his cart. Then kick the produce when he bends over to pick it up. If enough people give him this kind of treatment, it's only a matter of time before he moves on to the Missouri Valley because "it's easier to make a deep tournament run there than at K-State" and then we could hire a good coach.
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Would be very damaging to KSU to have someone say that they have a better shot at something somewhere other than KSU unless the other school was someplace traditionally better than us.
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Yeah, I would rather have oscar crash and burn than have him be mediocre for two years before going to Wichita State.
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Yeah, I would rather have oscar crash and burn than have him be mediocre for two years before going to Wichita State.
He needs to just burn hot and fast. a .500 season would be the worst.
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
Why can't we just hope oscar wins, but real life PI him every chance we get regardless of what happens so he will be on the first life boat out of town? I mean it worked for Tech with Tuberville.
oscar seems like the type of guy that wouldn't realize you were talking crap to him even if you did it right in his face
agree
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There are actually a large number of people that were happy that Currie/oscar reclaimed K-State Athletics from the Frank machine.
There may be none on here.
Yeah, this is as dumb as making comparisons to Wooly. IMHO.
So your GPC account lapsed well before last March?
I haven't regularly read GPC longer than that and I don't care to. When I post here I'm not arguing against GPC logic. GPC has always had the worst basketball discussion of any K-State message board.
True, but they are vocal fans who are more likely to email the AD. It's a given that there were people emailing Currie with their Frank hate. I can also guarantee you that in his mind Currie validated running Frank because there were fans who felt like he felt, Frank was bigger than K-State and that was not okay.
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#teamhopeforthebestuntilAngelisgonethenburnitdown
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Yeah, I would rather have oscar crash and burn than have him be mediocre for two years before going to Wichita State.
oscar will never willingly leave KSU for a lesser school. It is quite possibly the most detestable thing about him. He would never admit, most importantly to himself, that he didn't have what it took to succeed at the highest level. No matter how absolutely miserable he is personally he'll hang on until the bitter end, and then blame everyone but himself for his failure. If oscar had any rough ridin' sense whatsoever he would have went the mid-major route after Illinois or simply retired. He had every opportunity at Illinois to succeed and he couldn't hack it. He didn't need a change of scenery; he's out of his rough ridin' element in high major ball. He's here until he's fired or dead.
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
Why can't we just hope oscar wins, but real life PI him every chance we get regardless of what happens so he will be on the first life boat out of town? I mean it worked for Tech with Tuberville.
oscar seems like the type of guy that wouldn't realize you were talking crap to him even if you did it right in his face
agree
passiveagressivity won't cut it.
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I hope oscar wins a national championship and then we burn everything down over the summer. August, maybe.
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I hope oscar wins a national championship and then we burn everything down over the summer. August, maybe.
:thumbs:
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I hope oscar wins a national championship and then we burn everything down over the summer. August, maybe.
If oscar wins a national title we should not burn anything down at all.
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I hope oscar wins a national championship and then we burn everything down over the summer. August, maybe.
If oscar wins a national title we should not burn anything down at all.
Chizik?
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I hope oscar wins a national championship and then we burn everything down over the summer. August, maybe.
If oscar wins a national title we should not burn anything down at all.
oh Cire
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I just miss The Bram being the OOD and full :frown:
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I hope oscar wins a national championship and then we burn everything down over the summer. August, maybe.
If oscar wins a national title we should not burn anything down at all.
We should be really mean to oscar and :pray: for job openings at major programs. It would be the perfect opportunity to snag oscar Pearl and turn a national championship into a really great run.
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If oscar wins a title we don't burn it. If oscar goes winless in two years after the title we burn it.
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If oscar wins a title we don't burn it. If oscar goes winless in two years after the title we burn it.
Title or no, if dude goes under .500 in conference twice he should be gonzo.
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I don't particularly like Snyder but him winning lots of games makes me forget about that. oscar can do the same. I won't root for him to fail but if the real opportunity to get rid of him presented itself I would do whatever I could to make it happen.
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If oscar wins a title we don't burn it. If oscar goes winless in two years after the title we burn it.
Title or no, if dude goes under .500 in conference twice he should be gonzo.
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He will, and he won't.
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If oscar wins a title we don't burn it. If oscar goes winless in two years after the title we burn it.
It will be too late by then. Just look where Auburn would be today if they had let Chizik go after his title. They couldn't be worse.
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Title or no, if dude goes under .500 in conference twice he should be gonzo.
No problem with this.
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Title or no, if dude goes under .500 in conference twice he should be gonzo.
No problem with this.
Coaching search coming in 2014!
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I would be all for burning it down if it meant we could trade Bruces.
lets just burnitdown and see what happens.
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burnitdown and maybe i'll find it in myself to care again. currie stole my soul.
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I have a hard time staying awake during Bruceketball. No joke.
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Illinois winning @MSU
#burnitdown
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
when we're lazy I get pretty pissed.
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
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I will never be #burnitdown while Angel is here.
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
FYI No one cares.
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Illinois winning @MSU
#burnitdown
good post emawblast.
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
We just won a conference game against a team who has been to the tournament 14 straight times by nearly 30.
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
We just won a conference game against a team who has been to the tournament 14 straight times by nearly 30.
And this is good...I guess. That said, in all the years I've followed KSU basketball, that was one of the worst TX teams I've ever seen.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
And sometimes there is nothing enjoyable about your constantly negative posts (for me anyway). So what?
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So What?
So LET'S DANCE!!!!!
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So What?
So LET'S DANCE!!!!!
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#AslongasWeberistherethiswillbeanentertainingconversationtome
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
We just won a conference game against a team who has been to the tournament 14 straight times by nearly 30.
Yeah, they're pretty great.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
And sometimes there is nothing enjoyable about your constantly negative posts (for me anyway). So what?
Well, no one is on here saying "I like watching kougs post," so YOUR POINT IS MOOT. :shakesfist:
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
when we're lazy I get pretty pissed.
Meh. I get no more upset than I got with mind boggling TOs under Frank. We still have some of those now, but its been reduced a lot. The net effect between occasional laziness compared to dumb TOs seems pretty neutral to me.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
when we're lazy I get pretty pissed.
Meh. I get no more upset than I got with mind boggling TOs under Frank. We still have some of those now, but its been reduced a lot. The net effect between occasional laziness compared to dumb TOs seems pretty neutral to me.
Aggressive TOs are far more acceptable than points given up or left on the table due to lazy transition D or movement on O, or lack of activity on the boards.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
And sometimes there is nothing enjoyable about your constantly negative posts (for me anyway). So what?
Well, no one is on here saying "I like watching kougs post," so YOUR POINT IS MOOT. :shakesfist:
My comment was unnecessary. Apologies.
:cheers:
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
when we're lazy I get pretty pissed.
Meh. I get no more upset than I got with mind boggling TOs under Frank. We still have some of those now, but its been reduced a lot. The net effect between occasional laziness compared to dumb TOs seems pretty neutral to me.
I do. kougs actually had a good point about aggressive turnovers.
But oddly enough the end result is almost exactly the same on offense and defense.
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I do. kougs actually had a good point about aggressive turnovers.
But oddly enough the end result is almost exactly the same on offense and defense.
I have no problem with aggressive TOs, but there is a fine line between an aggressive TO and being careless with the basketball.
And I agree, the net result is the same.
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Maybe it's my Frankite-ness or horrible memory in general, but I honestly don't recall a rash of careless TOs in the Frank Era. :dunno:
Oh, and _FAN: :cheers:
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
when we're lazy I get pretty pissed.
Meh. I get no more upset than I got with mind boggling TOs under Frank. We still have some of those now, but its been reduced a lot. The net effect between occasional laziness compared to dumb TOs seems pretty neutral to me.
Aggressive TOs are far more acceptable than points given up or left on the table due to lazy transition D or movement on O, or lack of activity on the boards.
^^This! It's hard for me to direct my anger at the other team when my team is pissing me off so much with their lack of giving a eff!
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
Not even when he's D'ing OB's? C'mon now...
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
Not even when he's D'ing OB's? C'mon now...
Energizing, Shot blocking/changing, and follow dunking JO is very entertaining.
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I like watching us play. Angel, Rod, Shane, Gip, JO. It's very enjoyable.
There's nothing enjoyable about watching JO try to play basketball.
you know you're just the rudest man. just the rudest man.
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watching frank coach and his team play was like sitting on a tropical island drinking piña coladas served to you by a naked lady with big breasts.
everything he did and said had such a great redeeming value to it.
watching oscar coach is like sitting on a table saw. nothing he does has any value and, as has been covered here earlier this week, everything about him is a cancer.
am i right, fellas?
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alright then, high five and let's burn this bitch down!
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alright then, high five and let's burn this bitch down!
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watching frank coach and his team play was like sitting on a tropical island drinking piña coladas served to you by a naked lady with big breasts.
everything he did and said had such a great redeeming value to it.
watching oscar coach is like sitting on a table saw. nothing he does has any value and, as has been covered here earlier this week, everything about him is a cancer.
am i right, fellas?
you couldn't be more right if you were rush limbaugh buddy! #bid
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I like watching this team play more this year than I did last year. I don't know how much that has to do with oscar or just the team being a year older.
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Shooting, passing and dribbling is generally more fun to watch than Frank/Huggins Clang n bang style.
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I want two things. I want to win and I want to be entertained. Winning is essential. Having a fun team that is fun to watch is nearly as important, but I can live without it as long as we are winning.
As soon as both of those are gone, I want oscar gone too.
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I see no other option as a fan other than to hope the current coach at each program succeeds. I think Charlie Weis is going to be a huge bust, just like he was at Notre Dame, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I hope he exceeds my expectations and makes me look silly for ever doubting him, just like Snyder did to some of the posters on goEMAW. So far Weber really hasn't done anything to change my opinion of him one way or another.
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oddly enough the end result is almost exactly the same on offense and defense.
the only free lunch (strategic advantage) in college bball is the three point shot. and oddly enough, people (coaches) are afraid to commit to exploiting it because they fear the high variance in completion %.
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
We just won a conference game against a team who has been to the tournament 14 straight times by nearly 30.
Yeah, they're pretty great.
The point is, if you can't pick your spots to cry and bitch better, you just sound like a giant dumbass. You clearly dont care, why should I?
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I see no other option as a fan other than to hope the current coach at each program succeeds. I think Charlie Weis is going to be a huge bust, just like he was at Notre Dame, but that doesn't mean I want him to fail. I hope he exceeds my expectations and makes me look silly for ever doubting him, just like Snyder did to some of the posters on goEMAW. So far Weber really hasn't done anything to change my opinion of him one way or another.
:thumbs:
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We play slow. We are often lazy. Is there anything worse than half hearted steal attempts? Maybe 17 foot jumpers by guys who shouldn't be shooting anything outside a layup.
The balance between guys I like to watch and guys I don't is way off. I want to enjoy this season more, but I just don't.
We just won a conference game against a team who has been to the tournament 14 straight times by nearly 30.
Yeah, they're pretty great.
The point is, if you can't pick your spots to cry and bitch better, you just sound like a giant dumbass. You clearly dont care, why should I?
Yes, making nonsensical and overly combative posts makes you look super-smart. By all means, you should keep doing that.