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TITLETOWN - A Decade Long Celebration Of The Greatest Achievement In College Athletics History => Kansas State Football => Topic started by: eastcat on December 06, 2012, 12:08:28 PM
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With the divisions you build anticipations for the match-ups in the CCG if they didn't play in the reg season.
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I like 10, but don't think its feasible in the long term. Its the bare minimum to be viable and if you lose one, you have to panic bring another one aboard instantly.
That still happens if you decide you need to be at 12, or 14, or 16.
Big 10 hung out at an odd number for awhile. I would like 11 now that you mention it. Would keep all those other fuckers on their toes. "They gotta even it out, right? Who are they gunning for?"
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I was excited to log on to see two and a half new pages, thought something went down. Like a page and a half of this is stormnut, I'd like my 5 minutes back :flush:
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I was excited to log on to see two and a half new pages, thought something went down. Like a page and a half of this is stormnut, I'd like my 5 minutes back :flush:
:blush:
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I like 10, but don't think its feasible in the long term. Its the bare minimum to be viable and if you lose one, you have to panic bring another one aboard instantly.
That still happens if you decide you need to be at 12, or 14, or 16.
Big 10 hung out at an odd number for awhile. I would like 11 now that you mention it. Would keep all those other fuckers on their toes. "They gotta even it out, right? Who are they gunning for?"
Chicat I like the idea of 11 too. That Louisville Cardinal will be flying into the window daily.
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A 10 team conference w/round robin is great, but only in a vacuum or if everyone else is also doing it. It sucks when there are conferences like the SEC with 14 teams and less conference games than the Big 12, meaning a lot of the teams don't play each other and thus you end up with half the conference getting 10 wins because they only play two good teams all season. The Big 12 is just shooting itself in the foot on the national level with the current system.
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What's so great about our 10? We should rename ourselves the Big We're With Texas (the state) Conference. And, I mean, Texas (the state) is kinda jank.
These last two seasons of playing a ranked team just about every week and beating them have been tons of fun. I wouldn't trade that for some shitty divisional play schedule, unless both divisions were really great.
yeah, getting our asses beat almost every week by ranked teams is going to be equally sucky soon.
But adding some unranked sucky teams that will beat our ass on the road would be even more sucky.
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The ACC Presidents apparently signed a "solidarity statement".
I'd link the article, but it's kind of dumb. Brett McMurphy was tweeting about it.
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Solidarity statement = hanging tight to see what Maryland's $ comes out to
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Did they spit in their palms before shaking on it? If not, it doesn't count.
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I worry about Texas fans getting restless at 10. They don't have a marque home game now and with the team stuck as a 2nd tier team I am afraid they could get the wandering eye again.
Adding FSU would help fix this but they would like to bring friends. As unwieldy as 14 is imagine how awesome an SEC style 8 game conference schedule for #life's JR and SR seasons could be :excited:
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So the SEC is planning on adding UNC and DUKE. They are so much better at this realignment crap then we are. They are just going out there and buying wins.
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So the SEC is planning on adding UNC and DUKE. They are so much better at this realignment crap then we are. They are just going out there and buying wins.
Not that the Big 10 needs anymore wins, but hopefully they follow the SEC's lead and take KU off our hands
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Pk
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If we stay at 10 we should get used to 1 team in the "big" bowls...
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If we stay at 10 we should get used to 1 team in the "big" bowls...
There will be no "big" bowls after next season.
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If we stay at 10 we should get used to 1 team in the "big" bowls...
There will be no "big" bowls after next season.
Ya, if our champion goes to the playoff then our second best goes the Champions Bowl, and there are no other "big bowls" that we have access to.
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
I want to know how the new system works
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So the SEC is planning on adding UNC and DUKE. They are so much better at this realignment crap then we are. They are just going out there and buying wins.
What they are doing is much, much better than buying wins if they get UNC and Duke. They would be bringing in two programs that will make them more money while getting more wins over schools that don't care about winning FB games. There is no "buying". It's getting paid to win more FB games.
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
I want to know how the new system works
- 7 games every year (6 bowls + 1 bid out location for NC game) with 12 teams
- 3 bowls new years day, 3 bowls years eve, NC game 2 Mondays later (somewhere between 8th and 14th)
- Semi-finals rotate between 6 bowl games
- ACC champ goes to Orange, Big12 & SEC champs go to Sugar, BigTen & Pac12 champs go to Rose
- If any of those champs make it into top 4, they are replaced by next best team in conference
- If any of those bowl games are hosting a semi-final, the conference champ(s) that were supposed to go there go to another 1 of the 6 bowls
- 4 semi-finalst choosen by committee, similar to B-Ball tourney, assisted by some sort of rating system (think RPI) and leaning towards conference champs in close calls
- The best remaining conference champ from other 5 conferences will get 1 of 12 spots
- Once all above steps are done, committee picks next best teams to fill in 12 spots and assigns teams to open spots based on creating best matchups, no repeats, ect
- ESPN pays a lot for this, everyone gets rich
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
I want to know how the new system works
- 7 games every year (6 bowls + 1 bid out location for NC game) with 12 teams
- 3 bowls new years day, 3 bowls years eve, NC game 2 Mondays later (somewhere between 8th and 14th)
- Semi-finals rotate between 6 bowl games
- ACC champ goes to Orange, Big12 & SEC champs go to Sugar, BigTen & Pac12 champs go to Rose
- If any of those champs make it into top 4, they are replaced by next best team in conference
- If any of those bowl games are hosting a semi-final, the conference champ(s) that were supposed to go there go to another 1 of the 6 bowls
- 4 semi-finalst choosen by committee, similar to B-Ball tourney, assisted by some sort of rating system (think RPI) and leaning towards conference champs in close calls
- The best remaining conference champ from other 5 conferences will get 1 of 12 spots
- Once all above steps are done, committee picks next best teams to fill in 12 spots and assigns teams to open spots based on creating best matchups, no repeats, ect
- ESPN pays a lot for this, everyone gets rich
Eff new years eve, but i love making new years day mean something again (football wise :dubious: )
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
I want to know how the new system works
- 7 games every year (6 bowls + 1 bid out location for NC game) with 12 teams
- 3 bowls new years day, 3 bowls years eve, NC game 2 Mondays later (somewhere between 8th and 14th)
- Semi-finals rotate between 6 bowl games
- ACC champ goes to Orange, Big12 & SEC champs go to Sugar, BigTen & Pac12 champs go to Rose
- If any of those champs make it into top 4, they are replaced by next best team in conference
- If any of those bowl games are hosting a semi-final, the conference champ(s) that were supposed to go there go to another 1 of the 6 bowls
- 4 semi-finalst choosen by committee, similar to B-Ball tourney, assisted by some sort of rating system (think RPI) and leaning towards conference champs in close calls
- The best remaining conference champ from other 5 conferences will get 1 of 12 spots
- Once all above steps are done, committee picks next best teams to fill in 12 spots and assigns teams to open spots based on creating best matchups, no repeats, ect
- ESPN pays a lot for this, everyone gets rich
could they have made it more confusing?
So the Big 12/SEC bowl only takes place when the Sugar Bowl isn't a semifinal? I thought the Rose would get Pac 10 and Big 10 no matter what.
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
I want to know how the new system works
- 7 games every year (6 bowls + 1 bid out location for NC game) with 12 teams
- 3 bowls new years day, 3 bowls years eve, NC game 2 Mondays later (somewhere between 8th and 14th)
- Semi-finals rotate between 6 bowl games
- ACC champ goes to Orange, Big12 & SEC champs go to Sugar, BigTen & Pac12 champs go to Rose
- If any of those champs make it into top 4, they are replaced by next best team in conference
- If any of those bowl games are hosting a semi-final, the conference champ(s) that were supposed to go there go to another 1 of the 6 bowls
- 4 semi-finalst choosen by committee, similar to B-Ball tourney, assisted by some sort of rating system (think RPI) and leaning towards conference champs in close calls
- The best remaining conference champ from other 5 conferences will get 1 of 12 spots
- Once all above steps are done, committee picks next best teams to fill in 12 spots and assigns teams to open spots based on creating best matchups, no repeats, ect
- ESPN pays a lot for this, everyone gets rich
could they have made it more confusing?
So the Big 12/SEC bowl only takes place when the Sugar Bowl isn't a semifinal? I thought the Rose would get Pac 10 and Big 10 no matter what.
I believe the Sugar will always be Big 12/SEC if there are eligible teams from both leagues, just like the Rose.
There are changes to the rules for who makes it and I wonder if round robin may be a bad deal here. Like, if you have a undefeated OU and a one loss UT both making the playoff do we have a hard time getting a three loss KSU into the Sugar bowl game due to a low BCS rating?
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I don't understand the new playoff/bowl system, like, at all.
What do you want to know? Remember, there is still stuff that hasn't been worked out yet so no one knows.
I want to know how the new system works
- 7 games every year (6 bowls + 1 bid out location for NC game) with 12 teams
- 3 bowls new years day, 3 bowls years eve, NC game 2 Mondays later (somewhere between 8th and 14th)
- Semi-finals rotate between 6 bowl games
- ACC champ goes to Orange, Big12 & SEC champs go to Sugar, BigTen & Pac12 champs go to Rose
- If any of those champs make it into top 4, they are replaced by next best team in conference
- If any of those bowl games are hosting a semi-final, the conference champ(s) that were supposed to go there go to another 1 of the 6 bowls
- 4 semi-finalst choosen by committee, similar to B-Ball tourney, assisted by some sort of rating system (think RPI) and leaning towards conference champs in close calls
- The best remaining conference champ from other 5 conferences will get 1 of 12 spots
- Once all above steps are done, committee picks next best teams to fill in 12 spots and assigns teams to open spots based on creating best matchups, no repeats, ect
- ESPN pays a lot for this, everyone gets rich
could they have made it more confusing?
So the Big 12/SEC bowl only takes place when the Sugar Bowl isn't a semifinal? I thought the Rose would get Pac 10 and Big 10 no matter what.
I believe the Sugar will always be Big 12/SEC if there are eligible teams from both leagues, just like the Rose.
There are changes to the rules for who makes it and I wonder if round robin may be a bad deal here. Like, if you have a undefeated OU and a one loss UT both making the playoff do we have a hard time getting a three loss KSU into the Sugar bowl game due to a low BCS rating?
There will be no BCS rating
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I believe the Sugar will always be Big 12/SEC if there are eligible teams from both leagues, just like the Rose.
Nope. Every 3 years the Sugar will be a national semi-final instead of Big12/SEC. Same with Orange and Rose. It will probably rotate so that every year 1 of these 3 bowls will be a national semifinal on New Years Day and the other national semifinal will be 1 of the other 3 bowls (probably Chick-fil-a, Cotton, and Fiesta) in primetime on New Years Eve. The Sugar and the Rose had the opportunity to opt out of the rotation, but they both declined.
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Time slots are for sports and talk. Netflix has a pretty straightforward understanding of the TV space. On one side, there’s content that works well on linear TV, like sports and nighttime talk. “The immediacy of Jon Stewart…. lends itself to linear business models,” Sarandos said. On the other side, there is scripted content, which comes with a much longer shelf life.
Sarandos made it clear Wednesday that he has no intention to mess around with scheduled content. And for good reason: Making successful linear TV, getting people to tune in every night at a certain time — that’s hard. “The most difficult thing in linear television is the pressure on the time slot,” Sarandos said. With a Netflix-like on-demand model, you don’t have any of those issues.
This is on the surface just a simple business decision – but it could foreshadow a much bigger change. After all, if Netflix is successful with its no-schedule strategy, should other TV networks stick to the schedule as their viewing is shifting towards an on-demand world?
http://gigaom.com/video/netflix-ted-sarandos-ubs-media/ (http://gigaom.com/video/netflix-ted-sarandos-ubs-media/)
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“What I have seen over the past four years is that, [with] the amount of content that athletic departments are creating, there really is some payback in the cost of production,” says Chris Wagner, co-founder/EVP at Neulion. “The cost of producing content is getting cheaper; the cost of distributing content is getting cheaper. Fans are on more smartphones and tablets than ever before. The purchase of those devices is going up very fast. You’re looking at 30- to 45-minute engagement time in some cases on live programming, which really translates well for opportunities to sell something whether it’s e-commerce or ads or other stuff like that. But content definitely drives that, and there’s an appetite for content like never before because it’s just so easy now to access it.”In response to the effective reach traditional media has with college sports fans, various colleges and networks are looking to use their linear products to help drive eyes to digital offerings.
Fox Sports regional networks have made news over the past few months signing various third-tier rights deals with such colleges as Oklahoma, Texas Tech, and TCU.
“Now that we have this content, we know those fans want a deeper experience, so one of the things we’re going to look to continue to exploit is, how do we use our linear network to create snippets and promote things that are going to be on the digital side?” says Jon Heidtke, SVP/GM, Fox Sports Southwest/Oklahoma/New Orleans. “We want to get to the point where we can drive them to that experience so they can get that kind of content.”
This is our model, btw. Except ours is the farthest along at this point.
http://sportsvideo.org/main/blog/2012/12/06/feeding-college-sports-fans-hunger-for-content-offers-opportunities/
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So, if I'm reading this right, Netflix isn't interested in broadcasting sports, which means that, obviously, ABC, ESPN, Fox, etc. will still have a place in the business.
However, because Tier 3 rights are still an unknown and untapped resource, using Tier 3 deals like we have with FSN are ideal because we can then supplement that with content on K-StateHD.tv.
If you're a team in the Big Ten, Pac-12 or SEC, you won't have that option because you've signed all of those rights over to the conference for the purposes of a network.
We're essentially betting that our model will ultimately be more profitable than theirs, and regardless, it is less risky because of how much TV stands to evolve during the duration of our deals.
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My guess is this years playoff would be:
1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford
If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.
This will lean heavily toward conference champions.
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My guess is this years playoff would be:
1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford
If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.
This will lean heavily toward conference champions.
Stanford has 2 losses
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My guess is this years playoff would be:
1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford
If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.
This will lean heavily toward conference champions.
Stanford has 2 losses
Florida and Oregon would both go ahead of Stanford (and possibly us). can Oregon jump Stanford under the new format?
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Isn't the selection process a committee? If so, how can anyone predict anything beyond undefeated major conference champs?
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Isn't the selection process a committee? If so, how can anyone predict anything beyond undefeated major conference champs?
Well, as long as there's nothing to block it in the rules I can predict with a fair amount of certainty that a 1 loss Florida would go ahead of a 2 loss Stanford.
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My guess is this years playoff would be:
1. Notre Dame
2. Alabama
3. Kansas State
4. Stanford
If K-State or Stanford had two losses they might consider replacing them with Oregon or Florida.
This will lean heavily toward conference champions.
Stanford has 2 losses
Florida and Oregon would both go ahead of Stanford (and possibly us). can Oregon jump Stanford under the new format?
Yes, Oregon can jump Stanford. Right now there are no hard rules, only guidelines like conference championship should carry a lot of weight. No one has any idea who would have gotten in this year because they don't know the makeup of the committee yet. It would depend on the committee's agenda on who gets in. However, after the way we lost to Baylor I don't think there is any way a group could decide we deserve in unless the committee is 1 person from each conference and every other conference rep has an agenda to put in conference champs.
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Isn't the selection process a committee? If so, how can anyone predict anything beyond undefeated major conference champs?
Well, as long as there's nothing to block it in the rules I can predict with a fair amount of certainty that a 1 loss Florida would go ahead of a 2 loss Stanford.
Most of the sports media this year has said if they were on the committee it would be ND , Bama, Florida, and a hard choice between Stanford and Oregon.
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it's a lot easier to make a case for Florida potentially being the best team in the country over a 2 loss Stanford. easier to argue even we are (though less so than those two). that loss to Washington is about as bad as our Baylor loss and then you have to throw the second loss to ND on top of it. I think it would be ND, AL, OR, FL. we would come in at 5 and be left out.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm:
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
No they would not. JFC shutup
If Oklahoma would have 1 loss (K-State ) they would be ranked 3rd in the BCS and be the 3rd team picked by a committee ahead of us. (Alabama, Florida Oklahoma, and Notre Dame)
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
That's NOT what happened. What did actually happen in real life completely disproves your theory.
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CUT IT OUT, YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!
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Thanks Pete, Jesus Christ.
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Thanks Pete, Jesus Christ.
they started it :shakesfist:
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
No they would not. JFC shutup
You guys are killing me. Conference champions will come into huge play. BCS will no longer exist. So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss. Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.
1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame
Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship. This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
No they would not. JFC shutup
You guys are killing me. Conference champions will come into huge play. BCS will no longer exist. So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss. Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.
1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame
Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship. This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.
Pete asked us nicely to stop. so shut up. Make a new thread titled "WildcatNkilt thread about stupid championship things" and I will join you over there.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
:facepalm: :facepalm:
A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
No they would not. JFC shutup
You guys are killing me. Conference champions will come into huge play. BCS will no longer exist. So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss. Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.
1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame
Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship. This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/11/29/college-football-playoff-mock-selection-committee/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a0 (http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/ncaa/11/29/college-football-playoff-mock-selection-committee/index.html?eref=sihp&sct=hp_t12_a0)
This collection of athletic directors wouldn't have put us into an 8 team playoff this season.
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My feelings right now could be summed up with a window decal of Calvin pissing on the cigars thread. Sorry, Pete.
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There is no way a committee puts us into the playoff this year, next year, or any other year, if we are not undefeated. All this has done is make it even more difficult for Kansas State to ever play for a national championship.
Thats not true at all. Big 12 will always have a team in unless for some reason all Big 12 teams lose more than 1 game. A 1-loss Big 12 team will get in before a 1-loss ND team, 1-loss Big 10 (if their conference is weak like this year), and 1-loss ACC. The only conference with a legitimate shot for 2 teams in a 4-team playoff is the SEC. I personally think the Big 12 is too football oriented to fall to the level the Big 10 is at now.
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A one loss Texas or Oklahoma are the only exceptions.
If K-State lost against OU this year only, but finished the rest of the year undefeated and still winning the Big 12 Chip....they would be in. GMAFB just OU and Texas.
No they would not. JFC shutup
You guys are killing me. Conference champions will come into huge play. BCS will no longer exist. So I see K-State (or OSU last year) getting in because they were Big 12 champions with one loss. Big 10 would get nobody in this year cause they suck, ND will get in only because they are undefeated, Oregon will not get in because they lost late and lost Pac-12 Championship, and Bama would get in as SEC.
1) K-State
2) Bama
3) Stanford
4) Notre Dame
Any other year given ND loses at least 1:
1) SEC 1 loss champion or undefeated
2) Big 10 1 loss champion or undefeated
3) Big 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
4) PAC 12 1 loss champion or undefeated
I'm quite confident that they will want conference champion in this playoff scenario unless a Wisconsin type team wins the conference championship. This is another great reason to stay at 10 because we don't have a Championship game to eff it all up.
Pete asked us nicely to stop. so shut up. Make a new thread titled "WildcatNkilt thread about stupid championship things " and I will join you over there.
hurr
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Pete can you move WildcatNKilt's crap about 4 team playoff over here. Thanks
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Pete can you move WildcatNKilt's crap about 4 team playoff over here. Thanks
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Pete can you move WildcatNKilt's crap about 4 team playoff over here. Thanks
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This will be full of tardness soon. :comehere:
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Lets take 1-loss OSU last year. You don't think they would have been in? They finished #3 in BCS standings.
If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.
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The playoff format is no different than the BCS format. It’s a beauty contest. Unless there is some sort of rule which stipulates that a conference winner has an automatic birth, then KSU will pretty much have to go undefeated. We are a 1 loss team, champion of the 2nd toughest league in the country, and we are behind two teams who didn’t even win their division.
I would like to see some sort of rule/criteria which states that a conference champion in a top 4 rated conference (whether that’s through the “BCS” standings or some RPI-like standings) who is in the top 10 of the “bcs” or rpi-like standings gets an auto bid. After those slots are filled, then others can be filled by selection (with other defined criteria). So basically, this year, the 4 team playoff would be Bama, KSU, Stanford, and the at large would be ND. That would be beyond fair.
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Lets take 1-loss OSU last year. You don't think they would have been in? They finished #3 in BCS standings.
If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.
BCS Rankings 2011
1 Alabama (55) 12-1
2 LSU (1) 13-1
3 Oklahoma State (4) 12-1
4 Oregon 12-2
5 Arkansas 11-2
6 USC 10-2
7 Stanford 11-2
8 Boise State 12-1
9 South Carolina 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-3
Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.
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Lets take 1-loss OSU last year. You don't think they would have been in? They finished #3 in BCS standings.
If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.
BCS Rankings 2011
1 Alabama (55) 12-1
2 LSU (1) 13-1
3 Oklahoma State (4) 12-1
4 Oregon 12-2
5 Arkansas 11-2
6 USC 10-2
7 Stanford 11-2
8 Boise State 12-1
9 South Carolina 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-3
Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.
So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year? It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario. I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team.
Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be. I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom. However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference. If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.
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Lets take 1-loss OSU last year. You don't think they would have been in? They finished #3 in BCS standings.
If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.
BCS Rankings 2011
1 Alabama (55) 12-1
2 LSU (1) 13-1
3 Oklahoma State (4) 12-1
4 Oregon 12-2
5 Arkansas 11-2
6 USC 10-2
7 Stanford 11-2
8 Boise State 12-1
9 South Carolina 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-3
Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.
So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year? It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario. I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team.
Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be. I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom. However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference. If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.
1 loss ND gets in, if the 1 loss is to a named team (Oklahoma this year, USC may be too late in the season)
I contend that a 12 team conference with championship game help Texas and Oklahoma get both teams in (one with one loss and the other undefeated) while everyone else would still have to run the table. That is why I also see Texas and Oklahoma warming to at least 12 teams here soon.
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Lets take 1-loss OSU last year. You don't think they would have been in? They finished #3 in BCS standings.
If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.
BCS Rankings 2011
1 Alabama (55) 12-1
2 LSU (1) 13-1
3 Oklahoma State (4) 12-1
4 Oregon 12-2
5 Arkansas 11-2
6 USC 10-2
7 Stanford 11-2
8 Boise State 12-1
9 South Carolina 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-3
Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.
So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year? It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario. I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team.
Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be. I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom. However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference. If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.
1 loss ND gets in, if the 1 loss is to a named team (Oklahoma this year, USC may be too late in the season)
I contend that a 12 team conference with championship game help Texas and Oklahoma get both teams in (one with one loss and the other undefeated) while everyone else would still have to run the table. That is why I also see Texas and Oklahoma warming to at least 12 teams here soon.
I guess I don't see a 1-loss ND getting in because
1) Their S.O.S. is horrible
2) Media/Voters were talking all year about if they lost they would drop far. They were already behind Oregon and K-State by a decent margin when all were undefeated.
I personally think conference champions will be a huge favorite over non-champions with great records (I.E. K-State over Oregon this year).
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They will go down this list, in this order to pick the 4 teams and stop when it is full
1. SEC Champ
2. Undefeated ACC, Big12, Pac-12, BigTen Champ or ND
3. 1 loss UT or OU if Conf Champ
4. 1 loss USC or Oregon if Conf Champ
5. 1 loss Ohio State or Michigan if Conf Champ
6. 1 loss SEC team, not Conf Champ
7. 1 loss UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan if not conf champ, but best overall record in their Conf (de facto best team in their conference).
8. 1 loss ND
9. Best other 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
10. Other Best 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
11. 1 loss FSU if Conf Champ
12. 1 loss BigTen Champ
13. Other 1 loss ACC Champ
Last year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have got in with teams 1,6,9, and 10 getting in.
This year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have been left out with 1,2,6, and 7 getting in.
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Lets take 1-loss OSU last year. You don't think they would have been in? They finished #3 in BCS standings.
If you say yes, then that disproves your Texas/OU 1-loss in only theory.
BCS Rankings 2011
1 Alabama (55) 12-1
2 LSU (1) 13-1
3 Oklahoma State (4) 12-1
4 Oregon 12-2
5 Arkansas 11-2
6 USC 10-2
7 Stanford 11-2
8 Boise State 12-1
9 South Carolina 11-2
10 Wisconsin 11-3
Looking at the rankings last year they may have made it in only for the fact that last year there were so few 1 loss teams. Oregon makes it in before Okie Lite and there could be some argument that USC or Arkansas would have came in over Okie Lite. So yes, one year, last year could be an exception not the rule but I contend it if there was one more legit 1 loss team in the big 10, SEC, or PAC12 then Okie Lite is on the outside looking in last year.
So would you say it would be advantageous for the Big 12 to go to 12 teams to ensure a playoff spot each year? It would be hard to argue that a 1-loss Big 12 conference with the additions of Clemson and FSU would not get into a 4-team playoff scenario. I think we can all agree that ND would not get in as a 1-loss team.
Oregon can prove me wrong, but I don't think they are as good as a team as the media makes them out to be. I still think the Pac-12 is weak compared to Big 12 from top to bottom. However they could easily go Baylor on us and make the Big 12 look like a cake conference. If that happens then yes, it will be very hard to get the respect for a 1-loss team.
1 loss ND gets in, if the 1 loss is to a named team (Oklahoma this year, USC may be too late in the season)
I contend that a 12 team conference with championship game help Texas and Oklahoma get both teams in (one with one loss and the other undefeated) while everyone else would still have to run the table. That is why I also see Texas and Oklahoma warming to at least 12 teams here soon.
I guess I don't see a 1-loss ND getting in because
1) Their S.O.S. is horrible
2) Media/Voters were talking all year about if they lost they would drop far. They were already behind Oregon and K-State by a decent margin when all were undefeated.
I personally think conference champions will be a huge favorite over non-champions with great records (I.E. K-State over Oregon this year).
Preaching to the choir on that one, champions should have some weight in deciding the 4 but I get the feeling the rules are going to be made so that the power conferences can get more than one in. I don't see rules restricting number from same conference or make it easier for independents or non power conferences to get in.
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They will go down this list, in this order to pick the 4 teams and stop when it is full
1. SEC Champ
2. Undefeated ACC, Big12, Pac-12, BigTen Champ or ND
3. 1 loss UT or OU if Conf Champ
4. 1 loss USC or Oregon if Conf Champ
5. 1 loss Ohio State or Michigan if Conf Champ
6. 1 loss SEC team, not Conf Champ
7. 1 loss UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan if not conf champ, but best overall record in their Conf (de facto best team in their conference).
8. 1 loss ND
9. Best other 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
10. Other Best 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
11. 1 loss FSU if Conf Champ
12. 1 loss BigTen Champ
13. Other 1 loss ACC Champ
Last year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have got in with teams 1,6,9, and 10 getting in.
This year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have been left out with 1,2,6, and 7 getting in.
That makes sense, but I think we're putting Oregon on too high of a pedestal. They are not an OU/TX/USC/Ohio St./Michigan type team. They've always been a bowl team, but haven't been getting to BCS bowl since 2009 Rose (lost), 2010 Championship (lost), 2011 Rose (won), and now 2012 Fiesta. All under Chip Kelly. They are the Oklahoma St. of the Pac-12.
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Weird. I don't remember starting this thread...
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KSU is a sexy team and will be at the top of the committee's list for sure.
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They will go down this list, in this order to pick the 4 teams and stop when it is full
1. SEC Champ
2. Undefeated ACC, Big12, Pac-12, BigTen Champ or ND
3. 1 loss UT or OU if Conf Champ
4. 1 loss USC or Oregon if Conf Champ
5. 1 loss Ohio State or Michigan if Conf Champ
6. 1 loss SEC team, not Conf Champ
7. 1 loss UT, OU, USC, Oregon, Ohio State, or Michigan if not conf champ, but best overall record in their Conf (de facto best team in their conference).
8. 1 loss ND
9. Best other 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
10. Other Best 1 loss Big12/Pac-12 Champ
11. 1 loss FSU if Conf Champ
12. 1 loss BigTen Champ
13. Other 1 loss ACC Champ
Last year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have got in with teams 1,6,9, and 10 getting in.
This year 2011 OSU and 2012 KSU would have been left out with 1,2,6, and 7 getting in.
Even if the SEC champ has 2 losses? More? :dunno: