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I will set it at 3. Please describe your thoughts on how many bids the big 12 will get for the NCAA toyrnament. Thank you.
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4-5. UT doesn't look like they're going to be a tournament team even with Kabongo. ISU & KSU haven't shown anything yet when given the chance. OU & WVU will beat people in the league but have sucked in the non-con. Speaking of which DYK OU has already beaten WVU this season? They played in the Old Spice. OU got beat by Gonzaga in that tournament by 30 two weeks after Gonzaga beat WVU by 30. :flush:
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we'll get 5, in this order ---> KU, Baylor, OSU, KSU, OU
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I will set it at 3. Please describe your thoughts on how many bids the big 12 will get for the NCAA toyrnament. Thank you.
the big12 only getting three in would be ridiculous. they'll get more.
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the Pac-12/10 got 4 last year and 2 in '10. I think the Big 12 is on a similar path. It's just garbage.
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the Pac-12/10 got 4 last year and 2 in '10. I think the Big 12 is on a similar path. It's just garbage.
i'll be really, really surprised if some teams don't step up and the big12 only gets 3.
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I will set it at 3. Please describe your thoughts on how many bids the big 12 will get for the NCAA toyrnament. Thank you.
what three teams
ku, osu, ?
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phog.net is going to be irate when they get the garbage 2 seed.
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KU-->OSU-->BU-->KSU
4.
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I will set it at 3. Please describe your thoughts on how many bids the big 12 will get for the NCAA toyrnament. Thank you.
what three teams
ku, osu, ?
that's what I don't know. I’d like to say Baylor, then it’s a matter of how you value Kansas State. That’s why I set it at 3.
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baylor and KSU has too much talent not to make the NCAAs, of course that talent is negated by Drew/oscar, but i believe that they will get done what needs to be done to earn a spot.
i went out on a limb with OU but hey, i'm a wild and crazy guy, what can i say?
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the Pac-12/10 got 4 last year and 2 in '10. I think the Big 12 is on a similar path. It's just garbage.
No where near that bad, like not even close. Washington was the best team in the league those two years, think about that. As long as Kansas is good the conference will somewhat get the benefit of the doubt.
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baylor and KSU has too much talent not to make the NCAAs, of course that talent is negated by Drew/oscar, but i believe that they will get done what needs to be done to earn a spot.
i went out on a limb with OU but hey, i'm a wild and crazy guy, what can i say?
ISU is better than OU. Will Cluburn and Korie Lucious may both make first team all conference. They aren't deep at all but their starting five is at worst fourth best in the conference.
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No win over KU = no bid
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http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html
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baylor and KSU has too much talent not to make the NCAAs, of course that talent is negated by Drew/oscar, but i believe that they will get done what needs to be done to earn a spot.
i went out on a limb with OU but hey, i'm a wild and crazy guy, what can i say?
ISU is better than OU. Will Cluburn and Korie Lucious may both make first team all conference. They aren't deep at all but their starting five is at worst fourth best in the conference.
i'm probably sleeping on ISU too much, haven't even seen them play yet. obviously depth is hugely important in conference play and without it, i have a hard time seeing them better than OU.
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the Pac-12/10 got 4 last year and 2 in '10. I think the Big 12 is on a similar path. It's just garbage.
No where near that bad, like not even close. Washington was the best team in the league those two years, think about that. As long as Kansas is good the conference will somewhat get the benefit of the doubt.
I think KU gets the benefit of the doubt (UT would to, but is probably losing its credibility). I’m not sure about the rest of the conference though. Our conference RPI is just awful. IMO, we’re going to have a ton of teams that are bubblicious – and if that’s the case, a committee will have no problem keeping/deciding that ISU, OU, and KSU (or some combination thereof) out of the Tournament.
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KU will get a 1 seed because they'll only lose 1 game in conference play.
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the Pac-12/10 got 4 last year and 2 in '10. I think the Big 12 is on a similar path. It's just garbage.
No where near that bad, like not even close. Washington was the best team in the league those two years, think about that. As long as Kansas is good the conference will somewhat get the benefit of the doubt.
I think KU gets the benefit of the doubt (UT would to, but is probably losing its credibility). I’m not sure about the rest of the conference though. Our conference RPI is just awful. IMO, we’re going to have a ton of teams that are bubblicious – and if that’s the case, a committee will have no problem keeping/deciding that ISU, OU, and KSU (or some combination thereof) out of the Tournament.
6th, although we're likely to finish 5th, isn't horrible. The Pac 10/12 finished with RPIs of 9 and 7 those years you mentioned.
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Another night, another bad Big 12 loss. Tonight Flood Aggy lost to Iowa. Cy got rolled in the second half, they were never in it. Time is running out on this conference to move into the top five of the rpi.
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i'm probably sleeping on ISU too much
NOPE!
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i'm probably sleeping on ISU too much
NOPE!
SD are your feelings towards ISU hoops similar of those you feel towards ISU f-ball?
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i'm probably sleeping on ISU too much
NOPE!
SD are your feelings towards ISU hoops similar of those you feel towards ISU f-ball?
yeah, pretty much, I mean eff those guys
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Another night, another bad Big 12 loss. Tonight Flood Aggy lost to Iowa. Cy got rolled in the second half, they were never in it. Time is running out on this conference to move into the top five of the rpi.
what a god-awful game - score seemed misleading to me. ISU seemed to give zero shits that they were continuing to embarrass the b12 (not shocking, but they usually at least try hard before tripping over their shoelaces and breaking their rec-specs)
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ISU seemed to give zero shits that they were continuing to embarrass the b12 (not shocking, but they usually at least try hard before tripping over their shoelaces and breaking their rec-specs)
look, the league just isn't that fun anymore. why should they care?
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welp, last night's results are 100% proof that ol' flood aggie is on the outside looking in
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3 bids. zacker, I got there first. Just so you know.
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WVU escapes against VT. This game reminded me just how awful Bob Knight is as an analyst. Can't believe they pared him with Boog, I bet he sent a text to Gottlieb at halftime cursing him for leaving.
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Can't believe they pared him with Boog, I bet he sent a text to Gottlieb at halftime cursing him for leaving.
yes, bizzare combo
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Man this UT UCLA game is painful. The alternative is Marquette beating the hell out of Wisconsin. Buzz rocking the black turtleneck as a tribute to Majerus. Got the bald head right, he's about 150 lbs short though. Buzz usually looks smooth, but he looks pud in the turtleneck, looks like a child wearing ill fitting clothes.
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Is it funnier that this game is called the "Proton Therapy Showcase" or that there are so few people in Reliant Stadium that the PA announcer is actually echoing off of the empty seats?
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Man this UT UCLA game is painful. The alternative is Marquette beating the hell out of Wisconsin. Buzz rocking the black turtleneck as a tribute to Majerus. Got the bald head right, he's about 150 lbs short though. Buzz usually looks smooth, but he looks pud in the turtleneck, looks like a child wearing ill fitting clothes.
Yeah. I briefly considered changing it over to some relatively worthless La Liga match. Brutal lineup tonight.
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Texas loses to a middle of the table Pac 12 team. Had an 8 point lead with under 2 minutes left, 1 FG made the last 4:30 :flush:
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Texas loses to a middle of the table Pac 12 team. Had an 8 point lead with under 2 minutes left, 1 FG made the last 4:30 :flush:
this makes me think you had expectations for Texas?
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Texas loses to a middle of the table Pac 12 team. Had an 8 point lead with under 2 minutes left, 1 FG made the last 4:30 :flush:
this makes me think you had expectations for Texas?
You rough ridin' thought wrong. Do you know the point of the thread?
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This whole thread is my idea and zack made it ahit. Now. I know how little Richard felt when the Beatles came to America.
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This whole thread is my idea and zack made it ahit. Now. I know how little Richard felt when the Beatles came to America.
first to market, bro. first to market.
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This whole thread is my idea and zack made it ahit. Now. I know how little Richard felt when the Beatles came to America.
:lol:
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WVU escapes against VT.
vt beat osu.
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we're the pac 12
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Who cares. College basketball is a joke.
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WVU escapes against VT.
vt beat osu.
Aware sys, you're better than December comparative scoring to try to prove a point. :nono:
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What a depressing P66 season this is going to be. Feels bad man.
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Aware sys, you're better than December comparative scoring to try to prove a point. :nono:
it's not that comparative scores aren't a valid means of determining a team's worth. it's that one datum tells you little. the same is true of osu v. ncsu. right now there is little that tells me how good osu is. my guess is somewhere between 30 and 50 or so. i think wichita st is better.
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This whole thread is my idea and zack made it ahit. Now. I know how little Richard felt when the Beatles came to America.
Wow, what a post!
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Aware sys, you're better than December comparative scoring to try to prove a point. :nono:
it's not that comparative scores aren't a valid means of determining a team's worth. it's that one datum tells you little. the same is true of osu v. ncsu. right now there is little that tells me how good osu is. my guess is somewhere between 30 and 50 or so. i think wichita st is better.
You also keep mentioning NCSU, I'm not not using that game as the be all end all of my evaluation, are you? My eyes are much more important than the results of that one game in November. They have an issue with their front court and with their coach, but they won't need to be strong in these areas to win 12 in this conference this year. If they can get a home court advantage again I might go beyond 12 for them.
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You also keep mentioning NCSU, I'm not not using that game as the be all end all of my evaluation, are you?
what else have they done? i haven't seen them play, so i'm just looking at what i remember from last year and their results so far.
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You also keep mentioning NCSU, I'm not not using that game as the be all end all of my evaluation, are you?
what else have they done? i haven't seen them play, so i'm just looking at what i remember from last year and their results so far.
Seriously sys :curse:
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Seriously sys :curse:
just remember, i'm almost never wrong.
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That Baylor loss to NW looks pretty rough ridin' bad. Sandwiched around that road win, NW was blown out at their place by Maryland and Butler and lost to UIC (the flames!). I mean :flush:
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Texas losing to UCLA in front of less than 3K fans at Reliant Stadium Saturday was pretty great.
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Texas losing to UCLA in front of less than 3K fans at Reliant Stadium Saturday was pretty great.
i love seeing lil' bro struggle but i don't want them to completely suck and go off and fire rick and bring in someone more capable. not saying rick's not capable, but he could be doing more imo. 3 reg season 'trophs and 0 tore-ney 'trophs in 16 years. althought their .688% winning percentage is stout.
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A strong Texas basketball team helps lend major credibility to the league as a whole. If they suck like they do right now, I can laugh at them and their terrible, awful fanbase. It's really a win-win situation.
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A strong Texas basketball team helps lend major credibility to the league as a whole. If they suck like they do right now, I can laugh at them and their terrible, awful fanbase. It's really a win-win situation.
just wanted to horns-down your post (sp?)
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A strong Texas basketball team helps lend major credibility to the league as a whole. If they suck like they do right now, I can laugh at them and their terrible, awful fanbase. It's really a win-win situation.
just wanted to horns-down your post (sp?)
i just tried editing your post by striking out the dash between horns and down and I think I just made it bigger :blank:
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
i will not derail this thread. i will not derail this thread. i will not derail this thread.
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
I agree. It would be a shame to see Rick get fired just one year too late for him to coach here.
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
Isn't UT the job Buzz has been waiting for?
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
Isn't UT the job Buzz has been waiting for?
he has a better job now
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
Isn't UT the job Buzz has been waiting for?
he has a better job now
:dubious: <-------------------except like 1000x bigger
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
Isn't UT the job Buzz has been waiting for?
he has a better job now
:dubious: <-------------------except like 1000x bigger
I'd like to hear the explanation. I assume it would be along the lines that MU is basketball-first/Buzz is the number one ticket in town and that they pay him well. I can't say for certain, but I think it would be easier to recruit top-talent on a consistent basis to UT versus MU; that or Barnes is just totally out-classing the likes of Crean and Buzz. Not to say they were competing for recruits, but UT has blown MU out of the water rankings-wise during their contemporaneous tenures. I also assume because it's MiR that it will be condescending, dickish and unnessecarily adversarial.
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Buzz is great, but doubt he would do much better than Rick at UT.
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The Big 12 needs to add Louisville and Cincinnati. If not, might as well just drop basketball and ship KU to the big 10.
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The Big 12 needs to add Louisville and Cincinnati. If not, might as well just drop basketball and ship KU to the big 10.
Man, Tubbs would have a heart attack. Just when he thinks he is getting away, we reel his ass back in.
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
Isn't UT the job Buzz has been waiting for?
he has a better job now
:dubious: <-------------------except like 1000x bigger
I'd like to hear the explanation. I assume it would be along the lines that MU is basketball-first/Buzz is the number one ticket in town and that they pay him well. I can't say for certain, but I think it would be easier to recruit top-talent on a consistent basis to UT versus MU; that or Barnes is just totally out-classing the likes of Crean and Buzz. Not to say they were competing for recruits, but UT has blown MU out of the water rankings-wise during their contemporaneous tenures. I also assume because it's MiR that it will be condescending, dickish and unnessecarily adversarial.
stop crying bread, of all people you should have thicker skin
MU has a huge basketball budget
MU has a better, more enthusiastic fan base
MU has a richer history
MU plays in a better building, UT has a bigger practice facility, that thing is WOAH, but MU's facility is newer
MU has expectations which makes for a better situation for a coach who's a winner
MU cares about basketball, alot, UT never ever will
They both have put players in the league
UT is in Austin, TX well Milwaukee :blank:
Texas is more desirable for Texas kids, but MU has Chicago and the entire rust belt
MU could be as big as Duke, Texas will never be that, all you have to do is look at Florida. UT is in a great city, they have the best practice facility in the world, and they are in a good conference. The Big East was another advantage for MU, it may not be for long but still could be a very good basketball conference if they somehow hold on to UCONN and not take shitty football schools and not expand west. Essentially the non-football schools need to break away from the Southern Miss' of the world. MU is able to pay as much as anyone, you have a very good recruiting budget and have good money for assistants. The caring about basketball thing is huge, UT has its limits and they are imposed by the people who should be supporting the program and those limits aren't going away.
If the jobs were paying equal, I can't imagine why a coach would want to go to UT over a place that gives a damn.
Oh and yes, Barnes is a great recruiter, UT didn't get the kids they got before he was there.
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they won't find someone better than Rick IMO.
Isn't UT the job Buzz has been waiting for?
he has a better job now
Oh christ, he'll come for 3+ mill
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stop crying bread, of all people you should have thicker skin
I can't help it if you're too mean.
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If the jobs were paying equal, I can't imagine why a coach would want to go to UT over a place that gives a damn.
Three words: Eternal job security.
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If the jobs were paying equal, I can't imagine why a coach would want to go to UT over a place that gives a damn.
Three words: Eternal job security.
Winners don't like apathy. If Marquette played UCLA at Miller Park or the Metrodome I assure you it wouldn't have resembled what happened on Saturday in Houston. That was a joke, a complete embarrassment and a ringing endorsement on the perception of that program within the state. I was furious watching that, I cared more than Texans cared and that's sad.
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If the jobs were paying equal, I can't imagine why a coach would want to go to UT over a place that gives a damn.
Three words: Eternal job security.
Winners don't like apathy. If Marquette played UCLA at Miller Park or the Metrodome I assure you it wouldn't have resembled what happened on Saturday in Houston. That was a joke, a complete embarrassment and a ringing endorsement on the perception of that program within the state. I was furious watching that, I cared more than Texans cared and that's sad.
I think what's happening is you're substituting your own values for coaches' values. I bet if you asked a large number of them how much fan intensity or history plays into their decision making, a lot of them would say they DGAF about those things if the price and the situation is right. At Texas you have the city, the talent base, and the facilities to get whatever recruits you want and an ungodly amount of money to work with. Plus, as long as you're not going to the NIT every year and you make a run into the tournament every once in a while, you can sit around and get paid millions for minimal effort in comparison to other coaches around the country. You only have one major power and 3-4 others who can be a pain in the ass to deal with every year at Texas. At Marquette you're just another hammerhead in a crowd of sharks. Which place are you more likely to get fired at? I guarantee you that's at the front of every coach's mind when they're comparing jobs.
Also, if winners hate apathy, why's Billy Donovan still at Florida?
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stop crying bread, of all people you should have thicker skin
MU has a huge basketball budget
MU has a better, more enthusiastic fan base
MU has a richer history
MU plays in a better building, UT has a bigger practice facility, that thing is WOAH, but MU's facility is newer
MU has expectations which makes for a better situation for a coach who's a winner
MU cares about basketball, alot, UT never ever will
They both have put players in the league
UT is in Austin, TX well Milwaukee :blank:
Texas is more desirable for Texas kids, but MU has Chicago and the entire rust belt
MU could be as big as Duke, Texas will never be that, all you have to do is look at Florida. UT is in a great city, they have the best practice facility in the world, and they are in a good conference. The Big East was another advantage for MU, it may not be for long but still could be a very good basketball conference if they somehow hold on to UCONN and not take shitty football schools and not expand west. Essentially the non-football schools need to break away from the Southern Miss' of the world. MU is able to pay as much as anyone, you have a very good recruiting budget and have good money for assistants. The caring about basketball thing is huge, UT has its limits and they are imposed by the people who should be supporting the program and those limits aren't going away.
If the jobs were paying equal, I can't imagine why a coach would want to go to UT over a place that gives a damn.
Oh and yes, Barnes is a great recruiter, UT didn't get the kids they got before he was there.
I look at what Matta has done at Ohio State or Donovan at Florida and see an even better situation at Texas. Tremendous resources and conference affiliation. Phenomenal in-state recruiting pool. You get all the love when you win, but like half the hate when you underachieve at a football school like that. Football is over come tournament time, so they get super excited if you're kicking ass. Down year? No prob, we've got the spring game coming up. Having a "better, more enthusiastic fanbase" as you put it is a major double edged sword, at least in this context. I imagine that their constant bitching and over-analyzing at the slightest bump in the road would get pretty old as a coach. When you're the only ticket in town, the light gets uncomfortably bright at times.
MU hasn't done well recruiting Chicago (outside of D-Wade who was a lightly-recruited partial qualifier) in my lifetime; the guys they get are generally second-tier in terms of top-program interest. They don't win major recruiting battles in the city. MU really doesn't move the needle nationally either. Texas may not have before Barnes, but it does now, particularly with recruits. Another coach wouldn't have to rebuild that rep, he could just expand on it. I'd pick Texas in a heartbeat.
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Obviously I second many of 42's points.
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I think what's happening is you're substituting your own values for coaches' values. I bet if you asked a large number of them how much fan intensity or history plays into their decision making, a lot of them would say they DGAF about those things if the price and the situation is right. At Texas you have the city, the talent base, and the facilities to get whatever recruits you want and an ungodly amount of money to work with. Plus, as long as you're not going to the NIT every year and you make a run into the tournament every once in a while, you can sit around and get paid millions for minimal effort in comparison to other coaches around the country. You only have one major power and 3-4 others who can be a pain in the ass to deal with every year at Texas. At Marquette you're just another hammerhead in a crowd of sharks. Which place are you more likely to get fired at? I guarantee you that's at the front of every coach's mind when they're comparing jobs.
Also, if winners hate apathy, why's Billy Donovan still at Florida?
Yeah, no crap I'm projecting that what people do when discussing hypotheticals, you're doing the same. I don't know what coaches you know or which ones you've heard talking but most I know and have heard love feeling the love. Having passion within a program is very important in college athletics, to say otherwise is just being contrarian to not concede a point. As to the other part I bolded, what you're not getting is that the price is/can be the same so the other stuff is important. They are passionate as hell at Wichita State, but nothing else is equal so their passion doesn't mean anything. You're out of your mind if you don't think Barnes was pissed that the State of Texas embarassed his program like that on national television on Saturday. I'm sure the recruits watching were equally impressed.
That being said, you and bread are waaaayyyy overselling Texas as some kind of traditional power program. Fact is there is no historical basis for calling UT a great program. They had always been an also-ran before Barnes, just another program. I had a high school teammate play for UT under Penders. He was in the same class so I was very familiar with his recritment. They weren't a national program then, not even close. We were happy that he got interest in and eventually committed to Texas but that was because we were from a small town in Western Kansas, it was nothing like it is now. There is no evidence that this isn't just all Rick Barnes, Texas hasn't come close to this level of success ever. Want to know their Elite 8's before Barnes; '39, '43, '47, and '90. How about Final Fours before Barnes; '43 and '47. So what we know about Texas is they have far and away the greatest coach they've ever had and no one gives a crap, but the AD is willing to pay Barnes what other top coaches are making.
Donovan has been rumored for several other jobs, don't know why he hasn't left yet, maybe he likes being in a place where he is invisible for 10 months a year. Some dudes are like that.
MU hasn't done well recruiting Chicago (outside of D-Wade who was a lightly-recruited partial qualifier) in my lifetime; the guys they get are generally second-tier in terms of top-program interest. They don't win major recruiting battles in the city. MU really doesn't move the needle nationally either. Texas may not have before Barnes, but it does now, particularly with recruits. Another coach wouldn't have to rebuild that rep, he could just expand on it. I'd pick Texas in a heartbeat.
MU doesn't need to recruit Chicago anymore than UT doesn't need to recruit Texas. Its nice that it is there for both programs but you are expected to bring in national recruits at both places. As already stated this wasn't the case before Barnes at UT. Buzz's '13 class is in the top 10 his '10 class was #17 and his '09 class was #14, seems he is moving the needle nationally fine. He is 5 years in and only 40 years old, stands to reason his recruiting isn't getting worse. I wonder if any coach at perennial national power Texas had 3 out of his first 6 recruiting classes in the top 20 :dunno:
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MU hasn't done well recruiting Chicago (outside of D-Wade who was a lightly-recruited partial qualifier) in my lifetime; the guys they get are generally second-tier in terms of top-program interest. They don't win major recruiting battles in the city. MU really doesn't move the needle nationally either. Texas may not have before Barnes, but it does now, particularly with recruits. Another coach wouldn't have to rebuild that rep, he could just expand on it. I'd pick Texas in a heartbeat.
MU doesn't need to recruit Chicago anymore than UT doesn't need to recruit Texas. Its nice that it is there for both programs but you are expected to bring in national recruits at both places. As already stated this wasn't the case before Barnes at UT. Buzz's '13 class is in the top 10 his '10 class was #17 and his '09 class was #14, seems he is moving the needle nationally fine. He is 5 years in and only 40 years old, stands to reason his recruiting isn't getting worse. I wonder if any coach at perennial national power Texas had 3 out of his first 6 recruiting classes in the top 20 :dunno:
You brought up Chicago as a positive for MU, I just pointed out that while it is geographically close, they don't compete for top-Chicago kids. They just don't get them. The best one aside from Wade, who they only got because all the other big names passed him up, was Jerel McNeal (Rivals #99 in 2005). They didn't beat out anyone big-time for him. Point being, it's actually not a plus in their column.
As to the remainder, I'd say you're better than this, but evidently not. You're not honestly suggesting that Texas before Barnes is the same as Texas after 15 years of Barnes are you? What Texas was when some guy you went to school with got recruited is not even remotely similar to what Barnes has built it into, and therefore not relevant to the present discussion. It is a national name amongst recruits now. It is one of a handful of schools that is commonly accepted amongst 5-star kids as a possible destination without any special circumstances surrounding their recruitment. The three years you throw out as achievements for Buzz at MU are down years in recruiting for Texas now. Did Barnes make it so? Certainly, but it won't just disappear once he's gone. He's doing that crap with underachievement on the court (as judged by the very recruiting standards he himself set). If they hire another good/great recruiter who is actually a strong coach as well, they won't be taking a step back. Texas is unquestionably a football first school, but they aren't about to let basketball slip in today's college athletics financial environment. It matters too much with what they want to do in marketing and selling themselves. They won't accept mediocrity, because it's too easy with their resources not to be. That and with programs like Ohio State and Florida dominating on the basketball court, they're not about to take a back seat in terms of overall AD prestige. MU doesn't hold a candle to what Texas has/is capable of, particularly with the Big East crumbling. They are dangerously close to being knocked down a peg, while Texas isn't going anywhere. More than likely they'll only get better as the funding disparity grows.
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I think Buzz would be a great hire for UT and think he would do great there, but Rick has been the second best program in the Big 12 since he's been at UT. Yes, he has ups and downs, but as a whole, no one is close to him for 2nd best. Could Buzz do better? Maybe, but he'll still always be 2nd best.
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I think Buzz would be a great hire for UT and think he would do great there, but Rick has been the second best program in the Big 12 since he's been at UT. Yes, he has ups and downs, but as a whole, no one is close to him for 2nd best. Could Buzz do better? Maybe, but he'll still always be 2nd best.
do you think he will hold out for a blue blood job? Can't see him at UNC, UCLA or Duke, maybe IU. Hopefully KU hires Turg or Tad over him
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I think Buzz would be a great hire for UT and think he would do great there, but Rick has been the second best program in the Big 12 since he's been at UT. Yes, he has ups and downs, but as a whole, no one is close to him for 2nd best. Could Buzz do better? Maybe, but he'll still always be 2nd best.
do you think he will hold out for a blue blood job? Can't see him at UNC, UCLA or Duke, maybe IU. Hopefully KU hires Turg or Tad over him
Oh, I'm not sure he could get a better job than Texas. He's kind of weird and makes his living off unknown jucos.Texas might even think they're too good for him.
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If you're Texas, you go after Jay Wright. Why? Because of course!
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MU hasn't done well recruiting Chicago (outside of D-Wade who was a lightly-recruited partial qualifier) in my lifetime; the guys they get are generally second-tier in terms of top-program interest. They don't win major recruiting battles in the city. MU really doesn't move the needle nationally either. Texas may not have before Barnes, but it does now, particularly with recruits. Another coach wouldn't have to rebuild that rep, he could just expand on it. I'd pick Texas in a heartbeat.
MU doesn't need to recruit Chicago anymore than UT doesn't need to recruit Texas. Its nice that it is there for both programs but you are expected to bring in national recruits at both places. As already stated this wasn't the case before Barnes at UT. Buzz's '13 class is in the top 10 his '10 class was #17 and his '09 class was #14, seems he is moving the needle nationally fine. He is 5 years in and only 40 years old, stands to reason his recruiting isn't getting worse. I wonder if any coach at perennial national power Texas had 3 out of his first 6 recruiting classes in the top 20 :dunno:
You brought up Chicago as a positive for MU, I just pointed out that while it is geographically close, they don't compete for top-Chicago kids. They just don't get them. The best one aside from Wade, who they only got because all the other big names passed him up, was Jerel McNeal (Rivals #99 in 2005). They didn't beat out anyone big-time for him. Point being, it's actually not a plus in their column.
As to the remainder, I'd say you're better than this, but evidently not. You're not honestly suggesting that Texas before Barnes is the same as Texas after 15 years of Barnes are you? What Texas was when some guy you went to school with got recruited is not even remotely similar to what Barnes has built it into, and therefore not relevant to the present discussion. It is a national name amongst recruits now. It is one of a handful of schools that is commonly accepted amongst 5-star kids as a possible destination without any special circumstances surrounding their recruitment. The three years you throw out as achievements for Buzz at MU are down years in recruiting for Texas now. Did Barnes make it so? Certainly, but it won't just disappear once he's gone. He's doing that crap with underachievement on the court (as judged by the very recruiting standards he himself set). If they hire another good/great recruiter who is actually a strong coach as well, they won't be taking a step back. Texas is unquestionably a football first school, but they aren't about to let basketball slip in today's college athletics financial environment. It matters too much with what they want to do in marketing and selling themselves. They won't accept mediocrity, because it's too easy with their resources not to be. That and with programs like Ohio State and Florida dominating on the basketball court, they're not about to take a back seat in terms of overall AD prestige. MU doesn't hold a candle to what Texas has/is capable of, particularly with the Big East crumbling. They are dangerously close to being knocked down a peg, while Texas isn't going anywhere. More than likely they'll only get better as the funding disparity grows.
You missed my point about the Chicago thing and I clarified it, will try again. Chicago is a plus because its there, just because they haven't, in your words, done well there doesn't mean it isn't a resource. The state of Texas is a resource for Texas but contrary to what some think, they don't get every kid they want, still a resource because its right there.
We'll agree to disagree about the rest of this. If I rebut this I just be repeating my post for the most part. I will say that you have no basis for what you claimed about UTs recruiting. My point about my teammates recruitment was that how you view UT wasn't the case before Barnes, so you can't just blindly say those recruits are going to UT and not Rick Barnes like he's some interchangeable part. Barnes is that program, he's all they ever had. You have no historical basis to make UT minus Barnes some kind of monster, they literally were never that. Marquette, on the other hand, has been a solid program under multiple coaches, over multiple eras.
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I think Buzz would be a great hire for UT and think he would do great there, but Rick has been the second best program in the Big 12 since he's been at UT. Yes, he has ups and downs, but as a whole, no one is close to him for 2nd best. Could Buzz do better? Maybe, but he'll still always be 2nd best.
do you think he will hold out for a blue blood job? Can't see him at UNC, UCLA or Duke, maybe IU. Hopefully KU hires Turg or Tad over him
Oh, I'm not sure he could get a better job than Texas. He's kind of weird and makes his living off unknown jucos.Texas might even think they're too good for him.
He doesn't convey the image they look for at UT. Marquette is a great spot for him, would also be great at a place like OSU.
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I think Buzz would be a great hire for UT and think he would do great there, but Rick has been the second best program in the Big 12 since he's been at UT. Yes, he has ups and downs, but as a whole, no one is close to him for 2nd best. Could Buzz do better? Maybe, but he'll still always be 2nd best.
do you think he will hold out for a blue blood job? Can't see him at UNC, UCLA or Duke, maybe IU. Hopefully KU hires Turg or Tad over him
Oh, I'm not sure he could get a better job than Texas. He's kind of weird and makes his living off unknown jucos.Texas might even think they're too good for him.
He doesn't convey the image they look for at UT. Marquette is a great spot for him, would also be great at a place like OSU.
Or KSU if we weren't run by dumbfucks.
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Rick Barnes is going through the motions at UT, he's not interested anymore.
Probably needs to go to ESPN.
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Rick Barnes is going through the motions at UT, he's not interested anymore.
Probably needs to go to ESPN.
It sure seems that way. He doesn't even have a 2013 recruit signed.
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MU hasn't done well recruiting Chicago (outside of D-Wade who was a lightly-recruited partial qualifier) in my lifetime; the guys they get are generally second-tier in terms of top-program interest. They don't win major recruiting battles in the city. MU really doesn't move the needle nationally either. Texas may not have before Barnes, but it does now, particularly with recruits. Another coach wouldn't have to rebuild that rep, he could just expand on it. I'd pick Texas in a heartbeat.
MU doesn't need to recruit Chicago anymore than UT doesn't need to recruit Texas. Its nice that it is there for both programs but you are expected to bring in national recruits at both places. As already stated this wasn't the case before Barnes at UT. Buzz's '13 class is in the top 10 his '10 class was #17 and his '09 class was #14, seems he is moving the needle nationally fine. He is 5 years in and only 40 years old, stands to reason his recruiting isn't getting worse. I wonder if any coach at perennial national power Texas had 3 out of his first 6 recruiting classes in the top 20 :dunno:
You brought up Chicago as a positive for MU, I just pointed out that while it is geographically close, they don't compete for top-Chicago kids. They just don't get them. The best one aside from Wade, who they only got because all the other big names passed him up, was Jerel McNeal (Rivals #99 in 2005). They didn't beat out anyone big-time for him. Point being, it's actually not a plus in their column.
As to the remainder, I'd say you're better than this, but evidently not. You're not honestly suggesting that Texas before Barnes is the same as Texas after 15 years of Barnes are you? What Texas was when some guy you went to school with got recruited is not even remotely similar to what Barnes has built it into, and therefore not relevant to the present discussion. It is a national name amongst recruits now. It is one of a handful of schools that is commonly accepted amongst 5-star kids as a possible destination without any special circumstances surrounding their recruitment. The three years you throw out as achievements for Buzz at MU are down years in recruiting for Texas now. Did Barnes make it so? Certainly, but it won't just disappear once he's gone. He's doing that crap with underachievement on the court (as judged by the very recruiting standards he himself set). If they hire another good/great recruiter who is actually a strong coach as well, they won't be taking a step back. Texas is unquestionably a football first school, but they aren't about to let basketball slip in today's college athletics financial environment. It matters too much with what they want to do in marketing and selling themselves. They won't accept mediocrity, because it's too easy with their resources not to be. That and with programs like Ohio State and Florida dominating on the basketball court, they're not about to take a back seat in terms of overall AD prestige. MU doesn't hold a candle to what Texas has/is capable of, particularly with the Big East crumbling. They are dangerously close to being knocked down a peg, while Texas isn't going anywhere. More than likely they'll only get better as the funding disparity grows.
You missed my point about the Chicago thing and I clarified it, will try again. Chicago is a plus because its there, just because they haven't, in your words, done well there doesn't mean it isn't a resource. The state of Texas is a resource for Texas but contrary to what some think, they don't get every kid they want, still a resource because its right there.
We'll agree to disagree about the rest of this. If I rebut this I just be repeating my post for the most part. I will say that you have no basis for what you claimed about UTs recruiting. My point about my teammates recruitment was that how you view UT wasn't the case before Barnes, so you can't just blindly say those recruits are going to UT and not Rick Barnes like he's some interchangeable part. Barnes is that program, he's all they ever had. You have no historical basis to make UT minus Barnes some kind of monster, they literally were never that. Marquette, on the other hand, has been a solid program under multiple coaches, over multiple eras.
Yeah, I got a little carried away there. More interested in threetaring in your face a bit than legitimately debating. Sorry, MiR. Still, I think Texas will stay a major recruiting power post-Barnes for the reasons previously stated and that is also why I think it's a better job than MU.
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So coal aggie just lost to a 5-4 duquesne(?) squad.
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There is a lot of OOC basketball left, but the crazy thing is the Big 12 is the 3rd/4th best conference if you look at a variety of measures (RPI, kenpom, etc.) If that stays the same, its still likely a 4 big league minimum. Seems ridiculous with the play of especially UT and WVU and how terrible Tech and TCU are, but 37 at large bids still have to go to the tournament. Just one of those down years in college basketball.
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There is a lot of OOC basketball left, but the crazy thing is the Big 12 is the 3rd/4th best conference if you look at a variety of measures (RPI, kenpom, etc.) If that stays the same, its still likely a 4 big league minimum. Seems ridiculous with the play of especially UT and WVU and how terrible Tech and TCU are, but 37 at large bids still have to go to the tournament. Just one of those down years in college basketball.
Seems like college basketball had been down for the last several years. Most teams just aren't very good. There are no stars. It's pretty boring to watch actually.
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I don't think college basketball (or football, for that matter) have ever had up years. People just say it's a down year for the sport when their team is not doing well. Conferences have up and down years, but the entire sport of college basketball is not having a down year this season. There is just more parity than there used to be because there are less horrible teams.
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I don't think college basketball (or football, for that matter) have ever had up years. People just say it's a down year for the sport when their team is not doing well. Conferences have up and down years, but the entire sport of college basketball is not having a down year this season. There is just more parity than there used to be because there are less horrible teams.
don't take my comment the wrong way but your point is rough ridin' Fake Sugar Dick (WARNING, NOT THE REAL SUGAR DICK!).
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There is a lot of OOC basketball left, but the crazy thing is the Big 12 is the 3rd/4th best conference if you look at a variety of measures (RPI, kenpom, etc.) If that stays the same, its still likely a 4 big league minimum. Seems ridiculous with the play of especially UT and WVU and how terrible Tech and TCU are, but 37 at large bids still have to go to the tournament. Just one of those down years in college basketball.
I've only seen the Big 12 as 7th in conference RPI recently (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi) and http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html) and http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf (http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf)). This one http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html) has them currently at 7th, but predicts a 5th place finish.
I'd say 4 maximum, not minimum.
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I've only seen the Big 12 as 7th in conference RPI recently (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi (http://warrennolan.com/basketball/2013/conferencerpi) and http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html (http://realtimerpi.com/rpi_conf_Men.html) and http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf (http://www.teamrankings.com/ncaa-basketball/rpi-ranking/rpi-rating-by-conf)). This one http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html (http://www.rpiforecast.com/confrpi.html) has them currently at 7th, but predicts a 5th place finish.
I'd say 4 maximum, not minimum.
:facepalm:
Man, I glanced (quickly) and a couple of those same rankings, and I'm pretty sure I just saw "12" and didn't even look to see that it was "Pac".
Stupid post by me, ignore.
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So coal aggie just lost to a 5-4 duquesne(?) squad.
Good god....
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So coal aggie just lost to a 5-4 duquesne(?) squad.
Good god....
i felt sorry for bob huggins' wife last night
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I don't think college basketball (or football, for that matter) have ever had up years. People just say it's a down year for the sport when their team is not doing well. Conferences have up and down years, but the entire sport of college basketball is not having a down year this season. There is just more parity than there used to be because there are less horrible teams.
Compare the upper end of college ball in 2007-08 to the upper end this year.
The 2007-2008 KSU Wildcats would probably be a top 10 team this year.
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I like when the entire sport is down. Really makes the tourney awesome.
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I don't think college basketball (or football, for that matter) have ever had up years. People just say it's a down year for the sport when their team is not doing well. Conferences have up and down years, but the entire sport of college basketball is not having a down year this season. There is just more parity than there used to be because there are less horrible teams.
Compare the upper end of college ball in 2007-08 to the upper end this year.
The 2007-2008 KSU Wildcats would probably be a top 10 team this year.
They would probably be unranked.
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good job, ou.
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Coal huggies lose as expected. Future cats' foe Florida falls apart in the closing minutes/loses to other cats. oscar of course Bruces.
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yeah, this KSU cats season will be over on 1/22. I will be rooting for us to play SoCar in the NIT
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Well this started off as a discussion about how many bubble teams the Big 12 would get, it has turned into a measure on conference futility. Does it get worse than this
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323512641
Josh Gray, leading scorer
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Well this started off as a discussion about how many bubble teams the Big 12 would get, it has turned into a measure on conference futility. Does it get worse than this
http://scores.espn.go.com/ncb/boxscore?gameId=323512641
Josh Gray, leading scorer
bench guy had 17, but yeah.
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I was bored. Avg RPI of Opp's as of right now (rpi's from statsheet):
thru 8 games (D2 doesn't count)
11/12: 170
12/13: 167
Overall non-con
11/12: 173
12/13: 171
Noncon Analysis: more elite competition this year (3 top 15 opp's vs. 3 top 60 opp's) combined with more shitty competition (6 200+ opp's vs. 4 last year). We've haven't played a team in the 30-60 range at all; it's either been top 15 or 139+.
Conference
11/12: 86
12/13: 108
Conf Analysis: mediocrity thy name is the Big 12. There's only 3 opp's in the top 60 teams vs. 5 top 60 last year (basically, oscar only gets 6 opportunities this year to get a "quality win" compared to 10 last year). It looks like oscar may get to rack up a ton of meaningless wins. If oscar lost all of his top 60 games in conf and won the remainder, he'd be 21-9 (12-6) with zero wins on the season in the top 60. Man, I miss caring enough to start a thread about our NIT seed.
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Is the third top 60 OU? They seem a little fools goldy to me and even a young and inconsistent OSU squad could end up outside the top 50( I assume you used top 60 to be as kind to the Big 12 as possible).
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Is the third top 60 OU? They seem a little fools goldy to me and even a young and inconsistent OSU squad could end up outside the top 50( I assume you used top 60 to be as kind to the Big 12 as possible).
OU is 16th in the RPI, it will be very tough for them to drop out of the top 50. As long as they hang around .500 and beat KU or OSU they'll be there.
At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.
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At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.
i agree that they won't all make it, but: ku, osu, ou, bu, isu, ksu
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I've voted ISU and KSU off of the island. ISU has growth potential but they suck right now, a train wreck.
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ISU has growth potential but they suck right now, a train wreck.
that's both of us. both teams have talent. neither have bad losses. they still have chances.
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ISU has growth potential but they suck right now, a train wreck.
that's both of us. both teams have talent. neither have bad losses. they still have chances.
Yeah that's why I have both of them out, both have to show something they haven't shown to this point. I'm not sure what you mean when referring to "bad" losses. If you mean bad loss in the RPI technical sense, no they don't. That would be a pretty stupid standard for judging who is or isn't a tournament team in December unless you are evaluating the field for a 136 team tournament. If you mean bad loss as in how far away a team can look from an at large team during a loss or win, they both have more than one. In K-States case not having a bad RPI loss is nothing to beat their chests about, as previously mentioned the schedule has been historically bad. No top 150 wins in the non con :flush:
Before we continue down this road, given your recent past I have to ask; have you even seen ISU play?
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Before we continue down this road, given your recent past I have to ask; have you even seen ISU play?
lol, of course not. i've barely even seen kstate play.
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:lol: sys is fantastic
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At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.
i agree that they won't all make it, but: ku, osu, ou, bu, isu, ksu
Todd Leabo ?@Leabonics
OU down 9 to Stephen F Austin at 10 min mark of second half... A few hundred people at Lloyd Noble Center seem mildly concerned #Big12
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OU misses game-tying FT with 3 seconds left.
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jfc
how did the league go to crap so quick?
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jfc
how did the league go to crap so quick?
Mizzou left, frank left, added TCU, drew gonna drew
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no one cares about college basketball anymore. it is awful.
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Is the third top 60 OU? They seem a little fools goldy to me and even a young and inconsistent OSU squad could end up outside the top 50( I assume you used top 60 to be as kind to the Big 12 as possible).
OU is 16th in the RPI, it will be very tough for them to drop out of the top 50. As long as they hang around .500 and beat KU or OSU they'll be there.
At this point I think only 4 Big 12 schools have a shot at the tournament and it seems more likely than not that all 4 won't make it.
welp :facepalm:
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good lord.
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sigh
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The conf is so shitty we basically need to be top three to guarantee we get in the ncaa. Top two out we lose to FL.
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how many did the Pac 10 get win they were super crappy a few years ago ? 3?
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W/o Florida at this point, we won't have a signature win and will be playing in a conf that will be mocked this yr for its lack of quality.
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The conf is so shitty we basically need to be top three to guarantee we get in the ncaa. Top two out we lose to FL.
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Not necessarily, there is very recent precedent for a major conference to get only two bids. That being said the Big 12 non con slate is back loaded & there's plenty of opportunities for quality RPI boosting wins.
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WVU in a dogfight with Oakland. Down 32-29 with 5 to go in the 1st half. Dreamy oscar Pearl is the color commentator; he sounds like he smells fantastic.
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How is North Carolina ranked? Every time I see them play they look like hot breath smells
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How is North Carolina ranked? Every time I see them play they look like hot breath smells
Rick isn't going to just let you walk into his house without a fight.
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Why are Huggins & Kampe not wearing their customary windbreakers? They both look weird and both look like they got their dress clothes from Goodwill.
Sidenote, I have been a huge Greg Kampe fan for years
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Chuggins changed at halftime because the slob sweated through a sweater and a suit jacket back to the pud windbreaker. V neck btw with no undershirt
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The Hoibergs were only up 1 on the Wooly-killer Kangaroos at half. How'd that turn out?
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ISU won by 15.
This Texas UNC game is hard to watch, these teams are junk. It looks like a bad womens game.
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:emawkid: very good day
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:emawkid: very good day
4 bids min. now.
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Yeah, and Baylor and OSU still have cracks at Gonzaga
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Man, eff Gonzaga. The one Big 12 team with a home game against them will work these douches.
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:curse:
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So gonzaga....they beat WVU, OU, KSU, OSU...Anyone I'm missing?
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So gonzaga....they beat WVU, OU, KSU, OSU...Anyone I'm missing?
They are looking like a probable 2 seed, 1 if they get lucky.
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So gonzaga....they beat WVU, OU, KSU, OSU...Anyone I'm missing?
Baylor
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Lunardi has K-State at a 9 seed and the Big 12 with 5 (2-KU, 8-BU, 8-OSU, 11-OU) in the dance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
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Lunardi has K-State at a 9 seed and the Big 12 with 5 (2-KU, 8-BU, 8-OSU, 11-OU) in the dance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
I'm thinking 6 seed.
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Lunardi has K-State at a 9 seed and the Big 12 with 5 (2-KU, 8-BU, 8-OSU, 11-OU) in the dance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
I'm thinking 6 seed.
Yeah, 9 is too low in my opinion. That 5-7 range feels right. He's got 6 of 9 MW teams making it. I can't even name 6 MW teams off the top of my head. Holy crap is it easy to make the tournament.
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Do not want to see those rough ridin' gingers in our bracket AGAIN :chainsaw:
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My God, give me Oklahoma's draw. 11 seed playing Wichita State in the first round at Sprint Center.
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Holy crap is it easy to make the tournament.
don't ever say that again and we can still be friends.
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#5
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130108/bracket-watch/index.html
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#5
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-basketball/news/20130108/bracket-watch/index.html
Would take.
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hyperbole
don't ever say that again and we can still be friends.
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Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops
I'm afraid they've pretty much reached it. They're due. RT @SilentAssassinM: Ceiling for Kansas State?
Mission accomplished guise :ksu:
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Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops
I'm afraid they've pretty much reached it. They're due. RT @SilentAssassinM: Ceiling for Kansas State?
Mission accomplished guise :ksu:
Somebody should tweet back the only ceiling KSU would be happy with is the white house ceiling and then some sort of naked reference, oh nvm just forget it
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Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops
I'm afraid they've pretty much reached it. They're due. RT @SilentAssassinM: Ceiling for Kansas State?
Mission accomplished guise :ksu:
We're due for what? A loss? 10 losses? 17 losses? :ohno:
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Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops
I'm afraid they've pretty much reached it. They're due. RT @SilentAssassinM: Ceiling for Kansas State?
Mission accomplished guise :ksu:
We're due for what? A loss? 10 losses? 17 losses? :ohno:
Maybe just one or two really embarrassing ones? :dunno:
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Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops
I'm afraid they've pretty much reached it. They're due. RT @SilentAssassinM: Ceiling for Kansas State?
Mission accomplished guise :ksu:
We're due for what? A loss? 10 losses? 17 losses? :ohno:
Maybe just one or two really embarrassing ones? :dunno:
TCU :ohno:
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Seth Davis ?@SethDavisHoops
I'm afraid they've pretty much reached it. They're due. RT @SilentAssassinM: Ceiling for Kansas State?
Mission accomplished guise :ksu:
We're due for what? A loss? 10 losses? 17 losses? :ohno:
Maybe just one or two really embarrassing ones? :dunno:
TCU :ohno:
Yeah, if we hit a TCU, ISU, WVU trifecta we could be done.
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I don't think losing @ WVU is even worth a mini-meltdown. They're due too (for a W). Just snooze through the confy season, going .500 would still get us in the dance.
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Lunardi has K-State at a 9 seed and the Big 12 with 5 (2-KU, 8-BU, 8-OSU, 11-OU) in the dance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
i think you meant to say http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25044.msg685062#msg685062
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I don't think losing @ WVU is even worth a mini-meltdown. They're due too (for a W). Just snooze through the confy season, going .500 would still get us in the dance.
Agreed. My question is does anyone think we can actually EXCEED expectations and do 12-6 or 13-5?
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I don't think losing @ WVU is even worth a mini-meltdown. They're due too (for a W). Just snooze through the confy season, going .500 would still get us in the dance.
Agreed. My question is does anyone think we can actually EXCEED expectations and do 12-6 or 13-5?
My answer is: #18 ranked teams are supposed to take care of biz at home and win some on the road. EXPECT 13-5.
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I don't think losing @ WVU is even worth a mini-meltdown. They're due too (for a W). Just snooze through the confy season, going .500 would still get us in the dance.
Agreed. My question is does anyone think we can actually EXCEED expectations and do 12-6 or 13-5?
My answer is: #18 ranked teams are supposed to take care of biz at home and win some on the road. EXPECT 13-5.
13-5 would be amazing. I think 11-7 is probably the likely outcome.
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Lunardi has K-State at a 9 seed and the Big 12 with 5 (2-KU, 8-BU, 8-OSU, 11-OU) in the dance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
i think you meant to say http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25044.msg685062#msg685062
'Grats 'Clams
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what does kenpom say? i havent renewed my sub since the bweb hire
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Lunardi has K-State at a 9 seed and the Big 12 with 5 (2-KU, 8-BU, 8-OSU, 11-OU) in the dance.
http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology (http://espn.go.com/mens-college-basketball/bracketology)
i think you meant to say http://goEMAW.com/forum/index.php?topic=25044.msg685062#msg685062
'Grats 'Clams
thanks sunny, gotta say it feels great to have nailed lunardi's conf week 1. this never happens to me. i've been doing this stuff for like 10 years and every time it seems like i'm +1 or -1 or maybe even have the wrong teams selected. not this time though. so anyway, i went ahead and cracked a beer and sat on my patio last night and kind of just soaked it in, you know? some people are probably pretty pissed that i absolutely nailed this and i kinda get where they are coming from.
the good news is that now i've established the fact that i can nail this crap to the wall with little to no effort. so recognize, son.
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with today's wvu and tech games included, the bottom four teams are 3-31 against the top 6 teams. thanks for turning a three bid league into a five bid league, bottom four.
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with today's wvu and tech games included, the bottom four teams are 3-31 against the top 6 teams. thanks for turning a three bid league into a five bid league, bottom four.
it is really the only value that the garbage teams we let in the league have at this point, the willingness and ability to lose when expected to.
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with today's wvu and tech games included, the bottom four teams are 3-31 against the top 6 teams.
3-33.
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Thankfully for us it looks like Baylor has packed it up.
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Thankfully for us it looks like Baylor has packed it up.
Yeah, instead of bottom 4/top 6 the differential may as well be lower half/upper half.
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i think the record goes to 4-34 with baylor included.
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good day for the bottom feeders as tcu holds off ou and bu defeats ku. the bottom five finish up 7-43 against the top five. a historic lack of parity for this brave new big 12 conference.
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welp. big 12 looked awful early. isu and ou hung on. shame on texas, baylor and wvu.
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this thread was fun to go back and read