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2012 Big 12 Champs
2012 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award® - Collin Klein
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Kansas State University’s Collin Klein has been named recipient of t he 2012 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award. The award is presented annually to a top college football quarterback who best combines on-the-field and academic achievement. Candidates for the award must be completing their college eligibility or be a fourth-year junior, on schedule to graduate with his class.
“Collin is not just a tremendous athlete and leader on the field, but an MVP off the field as well, who repeatedly has been recognized for his numerous contributions to the community and to the spirit of sportsmanship,” said John C. Unitas, Jr., President of The Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Educational Foundation, which along with Transamerica presents the award.
Klein threw for 2,490 yards, rushed for 890 yards and scored 37 touchdowns while leading the Wildcats to an 11-1 record and 5th place in the BCS standings. The team will play No. 4 Oregon in the Fiesta Bowl on January 3.
Klein was one of 29 candidates for the Golden Arm Award when the season began. Other finalists for the 2012 award were Matt Barkley of USC, EJ Manuel of Florida State, AJ McCarron of Alabama, and Geno Smith of West Virginia.
Past winners of the Golden Arm Award include current NFL starting quarterbacks Peyton and Eli Manning, Carson Palmer, Brady Quinn and Matt Ryan. Last year’s winner was Andrew Luck of Stanford, now the starting quarterback for the Indianapolis Colts.
Klein and his coach, LHC Bill Snyder, will be in Baltimore on Friday, December 7, for the 6 p.m. presentation of the award at the Royal Sonesta Harbor Court Hotel.
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When do they announce Heisman finalists?
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When do they announce Heisman finalists?
6 pm
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2012 Big 12 Champs
2012 Johnny Unitas Golden Arm Award® - Collin Klein
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When do they announce Heisman finalists?
6 pm
votes due @ 5 pm. :ksu: :ksu: :ksu:
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
Doesn't look good.
https://twitter.com/stiffarmtrophy
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
Bovada had him @ +700 last night
I think he's got a decent shot...like I said in he 'what does CK have to do' thread...I think a lot of voters were waiting until the last minute to see if there was a Sr. QB they could vote for so they didn't have to vote for a frosh or a LB.
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
Bovada had him @ +700 last night
I think he's got a decent shot...like I said in he 'what does CK have to do' thread...I think a lot of voters were waiting until the last minute to see if there was a Sr. QB they could vote for so they didn't have to vote for a frosh or a LB.
A point someone made on the other board and on the DP show, a number of voters may not even put Teo (being a D guy) and Johnny Fake ID(freshman) on there ballots but far less are likely to keep Klein off.
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he's not going to win, tards.
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he's not going to win, tards.
Are you related to Kim Carnes?
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
Doesn't look good.
https://twitter.com/stiffarmtrophy
yeah, too many manziel at #1 tweets. :cry:
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he's not going to win, tards.
Are you related to Kim Carnes?
no, i'm realistic and see things outside of a purple bubble.
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he's not going to win, tards.
Are you related to Kim Carnes?
Same preson. Same schtick.
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
Doesn't look good.
https://twitter.com/stiffarmtrophy
yeah, too many manziel at #1 tweets. :cry:
yeah and when they google image search "johnny manziel halloween," they think he has more fun than Collin
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Any voter with half a brain should be able to look at that graphic during the texas game and make the right decision
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Any voter with half a brain should be able to look at that graphic during the texas game and make the right decision
Since most of the former players are maybe one head blow away Belchering, half a brain may be too much.
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Any voter with half a brain should be able to look at that graphic during the texas game and make the right decision
Since most of the former players are maybe one head blow away Belchering, half a brain may be too much.
Well we know who OJ will cast his vote for
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Any voter with half a brain should be able to look at that graphic during the texas game and make the right decision
Since most of the former players are maybe one head blow away Belchering, half a brain may be too much.
Well we know who OJ will cast his vote for
scooby doo?
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
If you're not going to vote for a freshman felon, and you're not going to vote for a defensive guy, who's left as college football's MVP? :dunno:
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Any voter with half a brain should be able to look at that graphic during the texas game and make the right decision
Since most of the former players are maybe one head blow away Belchering, half a brain may be too much.
Well we know who OJ will cast his vote for
scooby doo?
lolz
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http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/ (http://www.kstatesports.com/feature/collinklein/)
Way to update the website for that final push..."10-1"
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Just post a screenshot of the graphic from the Tejas game or something.
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Yeah seriously.
But seriously though. Someone post that graphic.
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Record Vs. Sagarin top 30
K-State: 6-1
T A&M: 1-2
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Am I the only one that thinks Collin still has a shot at the Heisman? :dunno:
Doesn't look good.
https://twitter.com/stiffarmtrophy
yeah, too many manziel at #1 tweets. :cry:
That is a crazy small sample size, well under 5%, and is about as scientific as drawing straws.
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Please dont use statistics or facts to back up your choice for Heisman, it makes far to much sense.
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He's not going to win, guys. Don't know why I'm posting this because it's been pretty obvious for a while, so it's not like this post is going to change your mind either.
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Klein has been invited along with Jonny fake ID and Teo
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Won't win but glad he was invited. Little surprised that they only took 3
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Won't win but glad he was invited. Little surprised that they only took 3
Not surprised but for Klein sake I wish there would have been more.
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Klein has been invited along with Jonny fake ID and Teo
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8706848/heisman-trophy-johnny-manziel-collin-klein-manti-teo-named-finalists (http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8706848/heisman-trophy-johnny-manziel-collin-klein-manti-teo-named-finalists)
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Sorry If Luke'd. I understand Klein Might not win the trophy, but I'm shocked he didn't recieve a single first place vote per the "experts"
http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/index (http://espn.go.com/college-football/heisman/index)
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Won't win but glad he was invited. Little surprised that they only took 3
They vary how many guys they take based upon how close the voting is. They always take at least three, but they will only invite four or five if it's reasonably close. If only three players are invited, that means fourth and fifth finished very far behind the top three.
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Won't win but glad he was invited. Little surprised that they only took 3
They vary how many guys they take based upon how close the voting is. They always take at least three, but they will only invite four or five if it's reasonably close. If only three players are invited, that means fourth and fifth finished very far behind the top three.
I know, but it seems like they've been taking a lot more lately. Also, I figured with a Freshman and Defensive player up there, it would open up a possibility of a wider field.
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Won't win but glad he was invited. Little surprised that they only took 3
They vary how many guys they take based upon how close the voting is. They always take at least three, but they will only invite four or five if it's reasonably close. If only three players are invited, that means fourth and fifth finished very far behind the top three.
I know, but it seems like they've been taking a lot more lately. Also, I figured with a Freshman and Defensive player up there, it would open up a possibility of a wider field.
I don't like that only three players were invited because it's an indication that Manziel likely ran away with the vote. I was somewhat surprised that it was enough of a run away vote for only three players to be invited because this year's Heisman field is the most wide-open I've ever seen, but it's looking like one quarter vs Alabama and a bunch of TDs against trash teams will be enough for Johnny Football to win it.
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http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_22121834/k-states-snyder-voted-ap-big-12-coach (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_22121834/k-states-snyder-voted-ap-big-12-coach)
AP Big 12 coach of the year - LHC Bill Snyder
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http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_22121834/k-states-snyder-voted-ap-big-12-coach (http://www.denverpost.com/sports/ci_22121834/k-states-snyder-voted-ap-big-12-coach)
AP Big 12 coach of the year - LHC LHC Bill Snyder
:billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance: :billdance:
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:bill: http://coachoftheyear.com/ finalist.
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Looks like the best place for this....2012 Football All-Big 12 Awards Announcement (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205820514&DB_OEM_ID=10410).
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Looks like the best place for this....2012 Football All-Big 12 Awards Announcement (http://www.big12sports.com/ViewArticle.dbml?DB_LANG=C&ATCLID=205820514&DB_OEM_ID=10410).
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They start announcing at 10 am CT, will probably need to back up a truck to carry all the awards they're about to dump on us.
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Big 12 Conference ?@Big12Conference
#Big12 FB: The Chuck Neinas Coach of the Year is @kstatesports’ LHC Bill Snyder. This is his second consecutive honor and fourth overall.
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Defensive Lineman of the Year Meshak Williams, Kansas State, DE, Sr, Sylvester, Ga
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:lynchmob:
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Kansas State quarterback Collin Klein is the AP's Big 12 offensive player of the year
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/k-states-klein-voted-ap-161138828--ncaaf.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/k-states-klein-voted-ap-161138828--ncaaf.html)
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Defensive Player of the Year Arthur Brown, Kansas State, LB, Sr, Wichita, Kan.
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Big 12 Conference ?@Big12Conference
#Big12 FB: Defensive Player of the Year is LB Arthur Brown of @kstatesports
We're gonna need another truck guys :dance:
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I thought the Kansas State team awards dinner wasn't until the 15th
Oh, Big 12 :blush:
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Big 12 Conference ?@Big12Conference
#Big12 FB: Offensive Player of the Year goes to @kstatesports QB Collin Klein. Klein is the first K-State player to earn this distinction.
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Pretty weird that it's our first one. We pick bad years to have historic offensive players.
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2012 ALL-BIG 12 FOOTBALL FIRST TEAM
OFFENSE
Pos. Player School Class Hometown/Previous School
QB Collin Klein K-State Sr. Loveland, Colo./Loveland
RB Joseph Randle** Oklahoma State Jr. Wichita, Kan./Southeast
RB John Hubert K-State Jr. Waco, Texas/Midway
FB Trey Millard # Oklahoma Jr. Columbia, Mo./Rock Bridge
WR Terrance Williams Baylor Sr. Dallas, Texas/W.T. White
WR Tavon Austin West Virginia Sr. Baltimore, Md./Dunbar
WR Stedman Bailey West Virginia Jr. Miramar, Fla./Miramar
TE Travis Tannahill K-State Sr. Overland Park, Kan./Olathe East
OL Cyril Richardson Baylor Jr. Fort Worth, Texas/North Crowley
OL Cornelius Lucas K-State Jr. New Orleans, La./Edna Karr
OL Gabe Ikard** # Oklahoma Jr. Oklahoma City, Okla./Bishop McGuinness
OL Lane Taylor** Oklahoma State Sr. Arlington, Texas/Martin
OL LaAdrian Waddle Texas Tech Sr. Columbus, Texas/Columbus
PK Quinn Sharp # Oklahoma State Sr. Mansfield, Texas/Summit
KR/PR Tavon Austin West Virginia Sr. Baltimore, Md./Dunbar
DEFENSE
Pos. Player School Class Hometown/Previous School
DL Jake McDonough Iowa State Sr. Urbandale, Iowa/Valley
DL Meshak Williams K-State Sr. Sylvester, Ga./Hutchinson CC
DL Calvin Barnett Oklahoma State Jr. Tulsa, Okla./Navarro CC
DL Devonte Fields TCU Fr. Arlington, Texas/Martin
DL Stansly Maponga TCU Jr. Carrollton, Texas/Hebron
DL Alex Okafor # Texas Sr. Pflugerville, Texas/Pflugerville
LB A.J. Klein # Iowa State Sr. Kimberly, Wis./Kimberly
LB Jake Knott Iowa State Sr. Waukee, Iowa/Waukee
LB Arthur Brown** # K-State Sr. Wichita, Kan./Miami
DB Ty Zimmerman K-State Jr. Junction City, Kan./Junction City
DB Aaron Colvin Oklahoma Jr. Owasso, Okla./Owasso
DB Tony Jefferson Oklahoma Jr. Chula Vista, Calif./Eastlake
DB Jason Verrett TCU Jr. Fairfield, Calif./Santa Rosa JC
DB Kenny Vaccaro Texas Sr. Brownwood, Texas/Early
P Quinn Sharp # Oklahoma State Jr. Mansfield, Texas/Summit
2012 ALL-BIG 12 FOOTBALL SECOND TEAM
OFFENSE
Pos. Player School Class Hometown/Previous School
QB Geno Smith West Virginia Sr. Miami, Fla./Miramara
RB James Sims Kansas Jr. Irving, Texas/MacArthur
RB Damien Williams Oklahoma Jr. San Diego, Calif./Arizona Western
FB Kye Staley Oklahoma State Jr. Guthrie, Okla./Guthrie
WR Chris Harper K-State Sr. Wichita, Kan./Oregon
WR Kenny Stills ^ Oklahoma Jr. Encinitas, Calif./La Costa Canyon
WR Darrin Moore Texas Tech Sr. Irving, Texas/McArthur/Blinn College
TE Jace Amaro Texas Tech So. San Antonio, Texas/MacArthur
OL Tanner Hawkinson Kansas Sr. McPherson, Kan./McPherson
OL Lane Johnson Oklahoma Sr. Groveton, Texas/Kilgore College
OL Blaize Foltz TCU Sr. Rose Hill, Kan./Rose Hill
OL Trey Hopkins Texas Jr. Galena Park, Texas/North Shore
OL Joe Madsen West Virginia Sr. Chardon, Ohio/Chardon
PK Anthony Cantele K-State Sr. Wichita, Kan./Kapaun Mt. Carmel
KR/PR Justin Gilbert Oklahoma State Jr. Huntsville, Texas/Huntsville
DEFENSE
Pos. Player School Class Hometown/Previous School
DL Adam Davis K-State Sr. Folkston, Ga./Hutchinson CC
DL Vai Lutui K-State Sr. Salt Lake City, Utah/Mt. San Antonio CC
DL David King Oklahoma Sr. Houston, Texas/Strake Jesuit Prep
DL Chucky Hunter TCU So. West Monroe, La./West Monroe
DL Kerry Hyder Texas Tech Jr. Austin, Texas/Lyndon B. Johnson
LB Bryce Hager Baylor So. Austin, Texas/Westlake
LB Ben Heeney Kansas So. Hutchinson, Kan./Hutchinson
LB Kenny Cain TCU Sr. Metaire, La./John Curtis Christian
DB Cody Davis Texas Tech Sr. Stephenville, Texas/Stephenville
DB Durrell Givens Iowa State Sr. Long Beach, Calif./Chaffey College
DB Sam Carter TCU So. Alief, Texas/Hastings
DB Bradley McDougald Kansas Sr. Columbus, Ohio/Scioto
DB D.J. Johnson Texas Tech Sr. Austin, Texas/St. Stephen's Episcopal
DB Demontre Hurst ^ Oklahoma Sr. Lancaster, Texas/Lancaster
P Kirby Van Der Kamp Iowa State Jr. West Des Moines, Iowa/Valley
**Unanimous Selection.
# - Repeat first team selection from last season.
^ - Repeat second team selection from last season.
A tie in voting created an additional first-team defensive line and second-team defensive back spots.
Players listed at each position alphabetically by school.
2012 ALL-BIG 12 HONORABLE MENTION
Baylor: Troy Baker (OL), Ahmad Dixon (LB), Nick Florence (QB), Aaron Jones (PK), Cameron Kaufhold (OL), Eddie Lackey (LB, Def. NoY), Terrance Lloyd (DL), Jordan Najvar (TE), Tevin Reese (WR), Lanear Sampson (WR), Lache Seastrunk (RB), Ivory Wade (OL), Terrance Williams (Off. PoY)
Iowa State: Carter Bykowski (OL), A.J. Klein (Def. PoY), Roosevelt Maggitt (DL), Jake McDonough (Def. LoY), Jeremy Reeves (DB), Kirby Van Der Kamp (ST PoY), Jacques Washington (DB)
Kansas: Tanner Hawkinson (Off. LoY), Tony Pierson (RB)
K-State: Jerrell Childs (LB), Ryan Doerr (P), BJ Finney (OL, Off. LoY), Tyler Lockett (WR, ST PoY), Jared Loomis (Schol. AoY), Tremaine Thompson (KR/PR), Cody Whitehair (OL), Oklahoma: Justin Brown (WR &PR/KR), Gabe Ikard (Off. LoY), Landry Jones (QB), Sterling Shepard (Off. FoY), Tress Way (P), Damien Williams (Off. NoY), Daryl Williams (OL)
Oklahoma State: James Castleman (DL), Parker Graham (OL), Caleb Lavey (LB), Shaun Lewis (LB), Kevin Peterson (Def. FoY), Josh Stewart (WR)
TCU: Josh Boyce (WR), B.J. Catalon (Off. FoY), Skye Dawson (PR/KR), Tayo Fabuluje (Off. NoY), Devonte Fields (Def. LoY), Blaize Foltz (Off. LoY), James Fry (OL), Jaden Oberkrom (PK), Elisha Olabode (DB), Ethan Perry (P), Jason Verrett (Def. PoY), Matthew Tucker (RB)
Texas: Mike Davis (WR), Johnathan Gray (Off. FoY), Alex King (P), D.J. Monroe (PR/KR), Jaxon Shipley (WR)
Texas Tech: Terrance Bullitt (LB), Ryan Bustin (PK), LeRaven Clark (OL, Off. LoY), Cody Davis (Def. PoY, Schol. AoY), Seth Doege (QB), Cornelius Douglas (DB), Ryan Erxleben (P), Kerry Hyder (Def. LoY), Leon Mackey (DL), Darrin Moore (WR), Tre' Porter (DB), Eric Ward (WR), Kenny Williams (RB)
West Virginia: Tavon Austin (Off. PoY), Karl Joseph (DB), Ryan Nehlen (Schol. AoY
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Doerr got completely mumped
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I think it's ridiculous that Klein wasn't a unanimous pick.
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Doerr got completely mumped
I love Doerr more than anyone, he didn't get mumped.
How about Brice Libel 2.0 making honorable mention. That's fantastic.
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I think it's ridiculous that Klein wasn't a unanimous pick.
I'd be okay with Terrance Williams getting a vote or two.
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Doerr got completely mumped
I love Doerr more than anyone, he didn't get mumped.
then you like him, at best, second most
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:cool:
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Doerr got completely mumped
I love Doerr more than anyone, he didn't get mumped.
then you like him, at best, second most
you, as always, have a valid point sir :) :cheers:
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enjoying the Landry and Sims butthurt on twitter.
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enjoying the Landry and Sims butthurt on twitter.
yes, very good butthurt
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enjoying the Landry and Sims butthurt on twitter.
Sims I understand. Defenses only had to worry about stopping KU's run, and he still racked up amazing numbers. But LOL at anyone who thought Landry was one of the top 2 QBs in the Big 12 this year.
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Nigel Malone? :confused:
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Nigel Malone? :confused:
He obviously didn't get credit for some teams completely ignoring his half of the field. Can't expect the media to know everything I guess :dunno: :confused:
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No KR/PR for the team that led the nation in both categories is my biggest complaint. Granted, Austin and Gilbert were also really good, but Lockett averaged 33 yards per kick return and had 2 scores.
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Nigel Malone? :confused:
He obviously didn't get credit for some teams completely ignoring his half of the field. Can't expect the media to know everything I guess :dunno: :confused:
This was the coaches vote.
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does this count?
https://twitter.com/sportsiren/status/276382504716480513/photo/1
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does this count?
https://twitter.com/sportsiren/status/276382504716480513/photo/1
:D this has been a banner week for those of us who have been on the Holly Rowe bandwagon for years!
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does this count?
https://twitter.com/sportsiren/status/276382504716480513/photo/1
She really did commit. :sdeek:
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does this count?
https://twitter.com/sportsiren/status/276382504716480513/photo/1
BTW this was Luked by 46 seconds. SD got you in the twitter thread
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Did someone put CK AP B12 POY in here yet?
Just another trophy to throw on top of the pile.
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/k-states-klein-voted-ap-161138828--ncaaf.html (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/k-states-klein-voted-ap-161138828--ncaaf.html)
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Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12
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Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12
I'll be honest, I have no idea which offensive linemen are good and which aren't. I just bitch about the entire line if we are getting killed and compliment them all if we are dominating.
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Nigel didn't have his head screwed on right all season. In fact his head was completely missing. It was already in the NFL. :frown:
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vai getting a hm was nice, dude didnt get that much credit but played his ass off when he was in
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Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12
I'll be honest, I have no idea which offensive linemen are good and which aren't. I just bitch about the entire line if we are getting killed and compliment them all if we are dominating.
:thumbs:
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Was Finney a walk on?
Also, don't know who watches the games to know which guards and tackles are better than others. I guess Lucas was that good, but can't say for certain
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Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12
I'll be honest, I have no idea which offensive linemen are good and which aren't. I just bitch about the entire line if we are getting killed and compliment them all if we are dominating.
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I played offensive line in high school and at an NAIA school before my knees were too injured to keep playing, so I have a high OLIQ. Finney and Whitehair are both very good linemen who have lengthy NFL careers ahead of them if they stay healthy. Surprised Lucas got first team honors. He isn't bad, but our tackles just aren't as good as our guards and center. Then again, haven't watched enough of the other teams to know who should/shouldn't be on the first team so there's that.
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I played offensive line in high school and at an NAIA school before my knees were too injured to keep playing, so I have a high OLIQ. Finney and Whitehair are both very good linemen who have lengthy NFL careers ahead of them if they stay healthy. Surprised Lucas got first team honors. He isn't bad, but our tackles just aren't as good as our guards and center. Then again, haven't watched enough of the other teams to know who should/shouldn't be on the first team so there's that.
Lucas is the most likely NFL guy simply because he's an athletic 6-9 324. Probably contributed to him being first team. I don't know if Finney or Whitehair make it because they are "only" 6-3/6-4, but they'll likely get a shot.
Of the 3 Finney was by far the most consistent and is the brains of the offensive line. I thought both Lucas and Whitehair had plenty of moments where they got beat or didn't finish blocks. And of the 3 Lucas is the least physical, but again, you can't teach his size/athleticism and he'll get attention because of it.
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Finney got mumped, don't know how he wasn't first team All-Big 12
I guess the media All-Big 12 wasn't posted here yesterday. He made it on offense while Hubert was out.
http://espn.go.com/blog/big12/post/_/id/61055/media-names-its-all-big-12-teams
OFFENSE
QB: Collin Klein, Kansas State
RB: Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State
All-purpose: Tavon Austin, West Virginia
FB: Trey Millard, Oklahoma
WR: Stedman Bailey, West Virginia
WR: Terrance Williams, Baylor (unanimous selection)
WR: Josh Stewart, Oklahoma State
TE: Travis Tannahill, Kansas State
OL: BJ Finney, Kansas State
OL: Cyril Richardson, Baylor
C: Gabe Ikard, Oklahoma
OL: Lane Taylor, Oklahoma State
OL: LaAdrian Waddle, Texas Tech
DEFENSE
DL: Kerry Hyder, Texas Tech
DL: Meshak Williams, Kansas State (unanimous selection)
DL: Devonte Fields, TCU (unanimous selection)
DL: Alex Okafor, Texas
LB: A.J. Klein, Iowa State (unanimous selection)
LB: Arthur Brown, Kansas State (unanimous selection)
LB: Jake Knott, Iowa State
LB: Kenny Cain, TCU
DB: Aaron Colvin, Oklahoma
DB: Jason Verrett, TCU
DB: Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma
DB: Ty Zimmerman, Kansas State
SPECIALISTS:
PK: Quinn Sharp, Oklahoma State
P: Quinn Sharp, Oklahoma State
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I played offensive line in high school and at an NAIA school before my knees were too injured to keep playing, so I have a high OLIQ. Finney and Whitehair are both very good linemen who have lengthy NFL careers ahead of them if they stay healthy. Surprised Lucas got first team honors. He isn't bad, but our tackles just aren't as good as our guards and center. Then again, haven't watched enough of the other teams to know who should/shouldn't be on the first team so there's that.
Lucas is the most likely NFL guy simply because he's an athletic 6-9 324. Probably contributed to him being first team. I don't know if Finney or Whitehair make it because they are "only" 6-3/6-4, but they'll likely get a shot.
Of the 3 Finney was by far the most consistent and is the brains of the offensive line. I thought both Lucas and Whitehair had plenty of moments where they got beat or didn't finish blocks. And of the 3 Lucas is the least physical, but again, you can't teach his size/athleticism and he'll get attention because of it.
I get why NFL types would drool over Lucas, the guy is built like a monster. But he plays soft, at least for how big he is. If his physicality matched his size he would be an All-American. He's also been beat on the pass rush quite a few times when he stops moving his feet, allowing the DE to run right by him. I have high expectations for him next season.
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I get why NFL types would drool over Lucas, the guy is built like a monster. But he plays soft, at least for how big he is. If his physicality matched his size he would be an All-American. He's also been beat on the pass rush quite a few times when he stops moving his feet, allowing the DE to run right by him. I have high expectations for him next season.
I agree with all those critiques and he was frustrating to watch because of that. He can/should dominate at this level if he wants to. If he moves his feet and gets his hands on a defensive player, there are very few that can defeat a block, he just plays inconsistent and soft at times.
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Boston Stiverson looked really good in limited action. I think he will be a total stud and a future draft pick.
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All Big 12/SEC team includes 3 KSU players as well as best Big 12 HC, offensive player and defensive player.
http://www.kansascity.com/2012/12/04/3948626/klein-snyder-lead-the-stars-all.html#storylink=cpy
The Star’s All-Big 12/SEC team
OFFENSE
• QB Collin Klein, Kansas State, Sr.
• RB Joseph Randle, Oklahoma State, Jr.
• RB Todd Gurley, Georgia, Fr.
• WR Terrance Williams, Baylor, Sr.
• WR Cobi Hamilton, Arkansas, Sr.
• TE Jordan Reed, Florida, Jr.
• C Barrett Jones, Alabama, Sr.
• OL Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M, Jr.
• OL Chance Warmack, Alabama, Sr.
• OL Jake Matthews, Texas A&M, Jr.
• OL Cyril Richardson, Baylor, Jr.
DEFENSE
• DL Jadeveon Clowney, South Carolina, So.
• DL Devonte Fields, TCU, Fr.
• DL Damontre Moore, Texas A&M, Jr.
• DL Sheldon Richardson, Missouri, Jr.
• LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia, Jr.
• LB Arthur Brown, Kansas State, Sr.
• LB C.J. Mosley, Alabama, Jr.
• DB Johnthan Banks, Mississippi State, Sr.
• DB Nigel Malone, Kansas State, Sr.
• DB Dee Milliner, Alabama, Jr.
• DB Tony Jefferson, Oklahoma, Jr.
SPECIALISTS
• K Quinn Sharp, Oklahoma State, Sr.
• P Kyle Christy, Florida, So.
• All-purpose Tavon Austin, West Virginia, Sr.
Big 12 and SEC individual honors
COACHES OF THE YEAR
• Big 12: LHC Bill Snyder, Kansas State
• SEC: Kevin Sumlin, Texas A&M
The Wildcats figured to be good, but not Big 12 champion and 11-1 good. Snyder won his second conference title and heads to the Fiesta Bowl. Sumlin had won at Houston, but how would he do with a new job, conference and quarterback? Like this: 10-2 overall, 6-2 in the SEC and Johnny Manziel is the Heisman favorite as a redshirt freshman.
OFFENSIVE PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
• Big 12: Collin Klein, QB, Kansas State
• SEC: Johnny Manziel, QB, Texas A&M
As you might imagine the choice of quarterback was the most difficult. Manziel accounted for 43 touchdowns, passing and rushing, Klein 37. Manziel’s effort in leading the Aggies’ to the upset victory at undefeated Alabama stands as one of the season’s most memorable performances, a true Heisman moment. But Klein was remarkably consistent in guiding the Wildcats. If their teams met, the guess here is Manziel would finish with the better numbers, and Klein would find a way to lead his team to the victory.
DEFENSIVE PLAYERS OF THE YEAR
• Big 12: Arthur Brown, LB, Kansas State
• SEC: Jarvis Jones, LB, Georgia
The quiet leader of Kansas State’s defense, Brown always seems to be in the right place at the right time. He was the first to pick off a Geno Smith pass, just as he was the first to pick off RG3 last year. Jones is a big hitter with a big body, at 6-3, 220. He’s aggressive, disruptive and has great closing speed for a Bulldogs team that won the Eastern Division.
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Quinn Sharp has got to have NFL teams drooling over him. Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
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Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
Until he blows a knee. Then you're effed.
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Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
Until he blows a knee. Then you're effed.
You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.
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Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
Until he blows a knee. Then you're effed.
You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.
How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?
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Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
Until he blows a knee. Then you're effed.
You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.
How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?
No. He's still just a kicker/punter. I wouldn't draft him until the last round. The roster spot isn't that valuable.
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Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
Until he blows a knee. Then you're effed.
You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.
How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?
No. He's still just a kicker/punter. I wouldn't draft him until the last round. The roster spot isn't that valuable.
Tell that to the Chiefs
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Imagine only needing one salary and roster spot for your kicker and punter.
Until he blows a knee. Then you're effed.
You've got free agency to go get two other players at that point. If I'm an NFL GM, I make getting this guy a priority to secure an extra roster spot.
How high of a draft pick do you use? 3rd round?
No. He's still just a kicker/punter. I wouldn't draft him until the last round. The roster spot isn't that valuable.
Tell that to the Chiefs
Alex Henry was a really good K & P @ NUB but the Eagles only have him Kicking in the NFL...I'm not sure why this is, you would think it would make sense more from only having 45 roster spots on Sundays than the salary angle
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Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?
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Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?
I think the says something about "play worthy of Concensus All-American". He still has a shot at the being a concensus all-american, but that's not likely. Also, that "worthy" part creates a loop-hole. I have a hard time believing that Collin won't get that honor someday, whatever that honor is after they take down the Ring of Honor names to put up a ribbon board.
Also, lol at the GPC meltdown over this. Johnny Football has been leading the Heisman race for 3 weeks, but they all just know realized that meant Collin wasn't going to win the awards on ESPN or be an AA.
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Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?
I think the says something about "play worthy of Concensus All-American". He still has a shot at the being a concensus all-american, but that's not likely. Also, that "worthy" part creates a loop-hole. I have a hard time believing that Collin won't get that honor someday, whatever that honor is after they take down the Ring of Honor names to put up a ribbon board.
Also, lol at the GPC meltdown over this. Johnny Football has been leading the Heisman race for 3 weeks, but they all just know realized that meant Collin wasn't going to win the awards on ESPN or be an AA.
The qualifier isn't 1st team all american, Klein will be fine.
BTW I'm melting down over the Davey O'Brien Award. It has a more defined standard than the Heisman, Klein should have won it.
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I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:
So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football. But who do they give it to? Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award
So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball. But who do they give it to? Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff.
So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to? Basically, Bishop/Beasley.
I'm done menstrating.
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The qualifier isn't 1st team all american, Klein will be fine.
Yeah, it's consensus. To get that he'd have to be 1st team AA on 3 of the 5 AA teams.
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It's dumb but it's nothing to get worked up about. We are K-State, these things happen to us and noone should be surprised
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I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:
So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football. But who do they give it to? Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award
So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball. But who do they give it to? Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff.
So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to? Basically, Bishop/Beasley.
I'm done menstrating.
I'm right there with you. I felt like I just wasted 2 hours of my time watching ESPN. They basically waste Collin's time, his family, the school and the fans time by inviting them to Orlando to "be a part" of the college football awards. All they do is make a mockery of K-State and make fun of the program and players basically by doing it...
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I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:
So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football. But who do they give it to? Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award
So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball. But who do they give it to? Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff.
So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to? Basically, Bishop/Beasley.
I'm done menstrating.
I've had the same thought, especially Beasley vs Hansbrough.
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great post zacker
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great post zacker
Yes, perfect. Really validated my feelings.
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Klein and Brown Walter Camp 2nd team all Americans. Wait, does this mean Klein is not eligible for the Ring of Honor at K-State?
I think the says something about "play worthy of Concensus All-American". He still has a shot at the being a concensus all-american, but that's not likely. Also, that "worthy" part creates a loop-hole. I have a hard time believing that Collin won't get that honor someday, whatever that honor is after they take down the Ring of Honor names to put up a ribbon board.
Also, lol at the GPC meltdown over this. Johnny Football has been leading the Heisman race for 3 weeks, but they all just know realized that meant Collin wasn't going to win the awards on ESPN or be an AA.
The qualifier isn't 1st team all american, Klein will be fine.
BTW I'm melting down over the Davey O'Brien Award. It has a more defined standard than the Heisman, Klein should have won it.
no crap, man. character, academics and leadership...how the eff do you give that to manziel over klein? eff this. :clac:
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I'll just meltdown/bitch and moan about this here:
So, like, Bishop is far and away the most dynamic player in college football. But who do they give it to? Ricky - a traditional power player, lifetime achievement award
So, like, Beasley is far and away the most dynamic player in college basketball. But who do they give it to? Tyler - a try hard white kid senior who has all the intangibles you could want and hustles and stuff.
So, like, finally we get the try hard white kid senior who's capping off a great career/lifetime achievement and he hustles and stuff and has all the intangibles and who the eff do they give this crap to? Basically, Bishop/Beasley.
I'm done menstrating.
I've had the same thought, especially Beasley vs Hansbrough.
That was an all-time national media/ESPN hype machine travesty. Mike's numbers were otherworldly that season.. Its what LeBron James' numbers would have been if he played college for a season. They made their minds up in October that they were voting for Psycho T and they weren't changing their minds.
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
yeah I'm irrationally upset by it. like I'm not even comfortable with how upset I am.
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
yeah I'm irrationally upset by it. like I'm not even comfortable with how upset I am.
I turned it off after 5 minutes I was so butt hurt
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
Can I be all mad and indignant and crap without being butthurt?
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
Can I be all mad and indignant and crap without being butthurt?
I vote yes. I don't feel butthurt. I feel indignant and weepy.
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
Can I be all mad and indignant and crap without being butthurt?
No. :butthurtUSA: 'grats, bud!
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I did dinner and drinks with mom and dad tonight. Mom kept getting pissed every time they talked too/panned to johnny football. I tucked my shirt in and said: "Mother fanning, it's espn bias, don't let it get to you, we're not winning anything tonight. We are K-State!" No regrets, fellas!
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I'm pretty butthurt guys. That award show by espn-----> :flush:
yeah I'm irrationally upset by it. like I'm not even comfortable with how upset I am.
Even without the KSU Hate, it was awful...Will Shields saying the wrong name for the Outland trophy winner, then forgetting how to say what school he went to...The Punter that won the Ray Guy saying he needs to thank his coached because they've had a huge detrimental effect on me.
I mean, the whole thing was a rough ridin' abortion.
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Did not watch!
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Did not watch!
Trust me you're better for it
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Did not watch!
Not even 1 second of it. Congrats to us
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Did not watch!
Not even 1 second of it. Congrats to us
:lynchmob:
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ESPN haters watch ESPN way more than most.
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Did not watch!
Not even 1 second of it. Congrats to us
:lynchmob:
:thumbs:
I am getting butthurt reading about it. Zacker's post was outstanding.
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Dudes I'm totally in "whatever" mode right now. It's good.
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Did not watch, but sounds like the butthurt over here was in full force.
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WIBW radio's blurb about it this morning said Collin was "shut out" at that ESPN awards thing.
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We went out to eat sushi. They had ESPN on the TV behind the bar. I looked up at it once and saw Tom Rinaldi talking and thought to myself "Even if Collin was going to win every award tonight, I still wouldn't watch this crap."
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ESPN haters watch ESPN way more than most.
Only when at gym, no volume or when a game is on.
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ESPN haters watch ESPN way more than most.
Gas company haters sure drive a lot of cars.
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I didn't even know something was on. Watched Grey's Anatomy last night.
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ESPN haters watch ESPN way more than most.
Only when at gym, no volume or when a game is on.
Exactly. Sports Center is my go to treadmill silent screen thing for my warm ups. Only program on my gym's system that you can not get in to and be worried about not getting to finish watching at the end of my few minute treadmill warmup.
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ESPN haters watch ESPN way more than most.
Unavoidable for the sports fan, then again I'm not an ESPN hater. They do some things great, they do somethings horribly awful. Comes with the territory of having such a large organization.
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ESPN haters watch ESPN way more than most.
Unavoidable for the sports fan, then again I'm not an ESPN hater. They do some things great, they do somethings horribly awful. Comes with the territory of having such a large organization.
And the need to be on air near constantly.
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the problem isn't losing the awards themselves...the problem is when you see us lose the award, you think, "well, we don't deserve it after the baylor loss," and then it's like losing the baylor game all over again.
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My anger over Klein losing the Davey O'Brien hasn't gotten any better 24 hours later. Complete travesty, no chance the voters looked at or even cared about the voting criteria of the award.
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didn't see it. am now getting a little butthurt reading the thread. dammit guys :shakesfist:
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AP ALL-AMERICANS
FIRST TEAM
Offense
Quarterback - Johnny Manziel, redshirt freshman, 6-foot-1, 200 pounds, Texas A&M.
Running backs - Montee Ball, senior, 5-11, 215, Wisconsin; Ka'Deem Carey, sophomore, 5-10, 197, Arizona.
Tackles - Luke Joeckel, junior, 6-6, 310, Texas A&M; Taylor Lewan, junior, 6-8, 309, Michigan.
Guards - Chance Warmack, senior, 6-3, 320, Alabama; Jonathan Cooper, senior, 6-3, 295, North Carolina.
Center - Barrett Jones, senior, 6-5, 302, Alabama.
Tight end - Zach Ertz, senior, 6-6, 252, Stanford.
Receivers - Marqise Lee, sophomore, 6-0, 195, Southern California; Terrance Williams, senior, 6-2, 205, Baylor.
All-purpose player - Tavon Austin, senior, 5-9, 171, West Virginia.
Kicker - Cairo Santos, junior, 5-8, 160, Tulane.
Defense
Ends - Jadeveon Clowney, sophomore, 6-6, 256, South Carolina; Bjoern Werner, junior, 6-4, 255, Florida State.
Tackles - Star Lotulelei, senior, 6-4, 320, Utah; Will Sutton, junior, 6-1, 267, Arizona State.
Linebackers - Manti Te'o, senior, 6-2, 255, Notre Dame; Jarvis Jones, junior, 6-3, 241, Georgia; C.J. Mosley, junior, 6-2, 232, Alabama.
Cornerbacks - Dee Milliner, junior, 6-1, 199, Alabama; Jordan Poyer, sophomore, 6-0, 172, Oregon State.
Safeties - Phillip Thomas, senior, 6-1, 215, Fresno State; Matt Elam, junior, 5-10, 202, Florida.
Punter - Ryan Allen, senior, 6-2, 215, Louisiana Tech.
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SECOND TEAM
OFFENSE
Quarterback - Collin Klein, senior, Kansas State.
Running backs - Kenjon Barner, senior, Oregon; Johnathan Franklin, senior, UCLA.
Tackles - D.J. Fluker, junior, Alabama; David Yankey, junior, Stanford.
Guards - Spencer Long, junior, Nebraska; Cyril Richardson, junior, Baylor.
Center - Dalton Freeman, senior, Clemson.
Tight end - Tyler Eifert, senior, Notre Dame.
Receivers - Stedman Bailey, junior, West Virginia; Quinton Patton, senior, Louisiana Tech.
All-purpose player - Jordan Lynch, junior, Northern Illinois.
Kicker - Dustin Hopkins, senior, Florida State.
DEFENSE
Ends - Damontre Moore, junior, Texas A&M; Stephon Tuitt, sophomore, Notre Dame.
Tackles - Johnathan Hankins, junior, Ohio State; Kawann Short, senior, Purdue.
Linebackers - Kevin Minter, junior, LSU; Anthony Barr, junior, UCLA; Arthur Brown, senior, Kansas State.
Cornerbacks - Johnthan Banks, senior, Mississippi State; Bradley Roby, sophomore, Ohio State.
Safeties - Eric Reid, junior, LSU; Tony Jefferson, junior, Oklahoma.
Punter - Riley Stephenson, senior, BYU.
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THIRD TEAM
OFFENSE
Quarterback - A.J. McCarron, junior, Alabama.
Running backs - Stefphon Jefferson, junior, Nevada; Giovani Bernard, sophomore, North Carolina.
Tackles - Jake Matthews, junior, Texas A&M; Eric Fisher, senior, Central Michigan.
Guards - Larry Warford, senior, Kentucky; Xavier Su'a-Filo, sophomore, UCLA.
Center - Braxston Cave, senior, Notre Dame.
Tight end - Austin Seferian-Jenkins, sophomore, Washington.
Receivers - DeAndre Hopkins, junior, Clemson; Cobi Hamilton, senior, Arkansas.
All-purpose player - Dri Archer, junior, Kent State.
Kicker - Caleb Sturgis, senior, Florida.
Ends - John Simon, senior, Ohio State; Sam Montgomery, junior, LSU.
Tackles - Shariff Floyd, junior, Florida; Chris Jones, senior, Bowling Green.
Linebackers - Khaseem Greene, senior, Rutgers; Trent Murphy, senior, Stanford; Kyle Van Noy, junior, BYU.
Cornerbacks - Ifo Ekpre-Olomu, sophomore, Oregon; Jason Verrett, junior, TCU.
Safeties - Ed Reynolds, junior, Stanford; Ty Zimmerman, junior, Kansas State.
Punter - Kyle Christy, sophomore, Florida.
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any chance Klein gets NCAA 14 cover? Don't think Manziel can get it due to NCAA restrictions? Probably Teo :(
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any chance Klein gets NCAA 14 cover? Don't think Manziel can get it due to NCAA restrictions? Probably Teo :(
Approximately zero chance, unless they do that thing where they use different athletes for different consoles
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100% chance it's teo
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SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20121211/postseason-all-america-team/index.html?eref=sihp
2nd team: Klein, Brown
HM: Tannahill, Malone, Zimmerman, Cantele, Lockett (returner)
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Does this qualify Klein and Brown for the Ring of Honor? :dunno:
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ESPN and the postseason awards can blow me.
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Does this qualify Klein and Brown for the Ring of Honor? :dunno:
Depends on your interpretation of the criteria "whether a person has achieved performance that warrants consensus All-America level status". If you think "has achieved performance that warrants" is a fancy way of saying "is", then no.
If you think it is purposely worded vaguely to allow for "they weren't a consensus All-American, but they subjectively played well enough to warrant it" to allow for cases like this season to get Klein up there, then I guess they have a shot.
I'm in the camp that :bill: probably wrote the criteria, so the only interpretation of the criteria that matters depends on how :bill: is feeling in 5 years.
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Does this qualify Klein and Brown for the Ring of Honor? :dunno:
Depends on your interpretation of the criteria "whether a person has achieved performance that warrants consensus All-America level status". If you think "has achieved performance that warrants" is a fancy way of saying "is", then no.
If you think it is purposely worded vaguely to allow for "they weren't a consensus All-American, but they subjectively played well enough to warrant it" to allow for cases like this season to get Klein up there, then I guess they have a shot.
I'm in the camp that :bill: probably wrote the criteria, so the only interpretation of the criteria that matters depends on how :bill: is feeling in 5 years.
Hopefully that feeling is alive.
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Does this qualify Klein and Brown for the Ring of Honor? :dunno:
How about just the whole 2012 KSU Wild Wild Cats :dunno: