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Angel
Tay
Rod
Gip
Henriquez
I mean, why can't it be this? I want it to be this. We all want it be this. Why can't it be this? HBBIQers please comment.
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Brucevember. Brucember.
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It should be...and Diaz & Straw should come off of the bench before Doc or Nino.
Scary how bad out guard depth is.
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Angel
Tay
Rod
Gip
Henriquez
I mean, why can't it be this? I want it to be this. We all want it be this. Why can't it be this? HBBIQers please comment.
Angel
Will
Rod
Gip
JO
I know it's popular to hate on Will, with last year being totally justified by the way, but he is playing much better ball this year. Should he ever run the point? No, Marty should always fill in for Angel when we need someone to run the show, but I think Will has a chance to be a slightly above average shooting guard this year.
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it's popular to hate on will because he sucks and has no business playing division 1 basketball.
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it's popular to hate on will because he sucks and has no business playing division 1 basketball.
:dubious:
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it's popular to hate on will because he sucks and has no business playing division 1 basketball.
:dubious:
fool me once...
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it's popular to hate on will because he sucks and has no business playing division 1 basketball.
:dubious:
fool me once...
:dubious:
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Did you guys watch the last game? He got blown by every time his man touched the ball. He played 32 rough ridin' minutes, 4 more than McGruder, 19 more than Angel. :facepalm:
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This isn't an Angel OR Will situation. oscar has talked a lot about Angel being a key at point guard and said that Angel didn't play as much on Sunday because he had an injured foot the previous week and didn't practice much.
Angel, Will, Rod are the 3 players that oscar mentions consistently as the 3 key players in the backcourt with Tay, Omari, and Shane as the key bench guys.
If anything its Tay (or Omari/Shane) OR Will and it seems clear that Tay has had 2 years to pass up Will and he didn't do it with Frank and hasn't done it with oscar either. Both oscar and Lowery praised Will for being a key defender in the Upstate game as well.
Will is going to start and play 80% minutes his final 2 years here.
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so depressing.
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i guess that oscar and frank have more in common than many here initially wanted to believe.
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I don't know. Maybe I am splitting hairs here, but if Frank was still around, Will would either have transferred or had a terrible accident at home when falling asleep while smoking.
Angel and Tay forever.
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so it only took frank ~40 starts to realize will sucked. oscar, you're on the clock.
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Did frank take all the game film with him when he left?
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
Did you know...
Will has the highest kenpom offensive rating (130.5, #69 nationally) for the K-State Wildcats so far this season. 2nd on the team behind the arc (tied with Angel) shooting .367 behind team leader Shane Southwell (!) at .583.
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
Did you know...
Will has the highest kenpom offensive rating (130.5, #69 nationally) for the K-State Wildcats so far this season. 2nd on the team behind the arc (tied with Angel) shooting .367 behind team leader Shane Southwell (!) at .583.
Be an the oath keeper _FAN.
The small sample size oath
by Ken Pomeroy on Saturday, November 17, 2012
[I’ve added individual stats to the team pages. Yes, this is the earliest ever, and the primary function for the next few days will be to provide a roster placeholder. Before using these stats, please take the oath below. We’re all on the honor system here.]
I, (state your name), understand that the player stats are based on extremely limited information in mid-November. I understand that Erik Murphy is not the best college basketball player of all time and that Adreian Payne is not going to grab anything close to 43% of opponents’ missed shots nor 0% of his own team’s misses for a full season. Additionally, I understand that some of the numbers displayed on these pages are utterly meaningless at this point, like Rahlir Hollis-Jefferson’s free throw rate or anything on Jordan Vandenberg’s line. I will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the responsible use of advanced stats for individuals in mid-November.
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
Did you know...
Will has the highest kenpom offensive rating (130.5, #69 nationally) for the K-State Wildcats so far this season. 2nd on the team behind the arc (tied with Angel) shooting .367 behind team leader Shane Southwell (!) at .583.
Be an the oath keeper _FAN.
The small sample size oath
by Ken Pomeroy on Saturday, November 17, 2012
[I’ve added individual stats to the team pages. Yes, this is the earliest ever, and the primary function for the next few days will be to provide a roster placeholder. Before using these stats, please take the oath below. We’re all on the honor system here.]
I, (state your name), understand that the player stats are based on extremely limited information in mid-November. I understand that Erik Murphy is not the best college basketball player of all time and that Adreian Payne is not going to grab anything close to 43% of opponents’ missed shots nor 0% of his own team’s misses for a full season. Additionally, I understand that some of the numbers displayed on these pages are utterly meaningless at this point, like Rahlir Hollis-Jefferson’s free throw rate or anything on Jordan Vandenberg’s line. I will, to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the responsible use of advanced stats for individuals in mid-November.
:cheers:
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it's terrible to have such an issue at the 2, really no excuse for it
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THE OATH tell me that Will may very well be the #1 player in the nation.
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Yeah, why can't we get a 1-2 punch? Teams without a good 1-2 punch are never very good. That's why in the Elite8 and Final Four all the commentators are always talking about the 1-2 punches of the teams.
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I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
He looks amazing at the free throw line
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it's terrible to have such an issue at the 2, really no excuse for it
For all of Dax's rants on Frank's recruiting, not being able to recruit over Will for 2 years is pretty bad
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I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
He looks amazing at the free throw line
His biceps cant be beat on the court.
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well now i know for certain who is the #1 largest bag of douche on this board :curse:
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did frank play will a decent amount and not recruit over him somewhat hoping that it would help him in his efforts to get cauley and semi? that's the only frank defense that i can even somewhat come up with and it seems to be beyond a stretch.
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Wish we got little releford instead.
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as good as frank was at evaluating his 1's, he was equally as bad, if not worse, at evaluating his 2's.
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In Frank's defense, he did call Will a pussy and by all accounts had him ready to transfer.
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
Did you know...
Will has the highest kenpom offensive rating (130.5, #69 nationally) for the K-State Wildcats so far this season. 2nd on the team behind the arc (tied with Angel) shooting .367 behind team leader Shane Southwell (!) at .583.
So Will is in fact the best we have? If true that's really depressing. Seems like in Frank/oscar were/are determined to have him on the floor more minutes than anyone on the team.
LBBIQ, what does Will provide us that justifies two different coaches giving him massive minutes, I just can't figure it out?? Fan ? Michigan? Sys?
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
Did you know...
Will has the highest kenpom offensive rating (130.5, #69 nationally) for the K-State Wildcats so far this season. 2nd on the team behind the arc (tied with Angel) shooting .367 behind team leader Shane Southwell (!) at .583.
That Southwell stat is just staggering. Seems like part of the reason Tay hasn't made much of an impact this yr is b/c he's been playing less. I haven't looked at the stats but he seemed like an efficient player last yr. If nothing else, we were more confident in him as an outside shooter and defender (esp during confy play). I don't know, I guess I just always thought last season Tay would overtake Will and the 2 would be a strength with Will adding outside shooting and whatever else Will adds, but instead we've had 2 yrs of meh play from both.
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Last 6 starting guards not name Clemente or Pullen. Career numbers (not small sample sizes) :users:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=lance-harris&angel-rodriguez=career&blake-young=career&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&martavious-irving=career&p1=martavious-irving&p2=will-spradling&p3=clent-stewart&p4=blake-young&p5=angel-rodriguez&will-spradling=career
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Last 6 starting guards not name Clemente or Pullen. Career numbers (not small sample sizes) :users:
http://statsheet.com/mcb/players/compare?add=lance-harris&angel-rodriguez=career&blake-young=career&clent-stewart=career&i=1&lance-harris=career&martavious-irving=career&p1=martavious-irving&p2=will-spradling&p3=clent-stewart&p4=blake-young&p5=angel-rodriguez&will-spradling=career
Angel :love:
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I think I like Will more than Tay now that Will isn't shooting 18% or whatever he did last year. And Will's honestly been more aggressive off the dribble which has always bugged me most about him. I've never ever liked anything Tay does on the court.
Did you know...
Will has the highest kenpom offensive rating (130.5, #69 nationally) for the K-State Wildcats so far this season. 2nd on the team behind the arc (tied with Angel) shooting .367 behind team leader Shane Southwell (!) at .583.
So Will is in fact the best we have? If true that's really depressing. Seems like in Frank/oscar were/are determined to have him on the floor more minutes than anyone on the team.
LBBIQ, what does Will provide us that justifies two different coaches giving him massive minutes, I just can't figure it out?? Fan ? Michigan? Sys?
maybe it means Will is the best fit on the roster for Brucektball
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as good as frank was at evaluating his 1's, he was equally as bad, if not worse, at evaluating his 2's.
a lot of his 2s are basically failed 1s. kinda makes it a self-fulfilling prophecy.
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LBBIQ, what does Will provide us that justifies two different coaches giving him massive minutes, I just can't figure it out?? Fan ? Michigan? Sys?
irving sucks, southwell is beautiful to look at, but sucks at bball. spradling can play in the big 12 if he hits 3s. last year he didn't, but the other options suck.
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He can't hit 3s. I too am encouraged by the fact that he's more aggressive this season. I'm discouraged that he is a terrible basketball player. I would rather go big with Southwell or McGruder at the 2 and play a 1-2-2 or 3-2.
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it's terrible to have such an issue at the 2, really no excuse for it
For all of Dax's rants on Frank's recruiting, not being able to recruit over Will for 2 years is pretty bad
Just think if Will was good at basketball. Just think about that.
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LBBIQ, what does Will provide us that justifies two different coaches giving him massive minutes, I just can't figure it out?? Fan ? Michigan? Sys?
irving sucks, southwell is beautiful to look at, but sucks at bball. spradling can play in the big 12 if he hits 3s. last year he didn't, but the other options suck.
agreed that spradling can play in the b12 if he can hit 3s.
also, irving can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, southwell can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, orris can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, meyer (?) can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, Vulture can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s.
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He can't hit 3s. I too am encouraged by the fact that he's more aggressive this season. I'm discouraged that he is a terrible basketball player. I would rather go big with Southwell or McGruder at the 2 and play a 1-2-2 or 3-2.
I am tentative in being happy with Will's new found aggression. I just have a feeling that he will get denied early and often by BigXII guards and will quickly let the coward in him control his game (our games?) from that point on. I keep telling myself is may be like Gip's string of high scoring games last year in that it is more due to the ooc comp than any new found ability of Will's.
Hope I am wrong. Really need to be wrong for 'clams' prediction of 5 BigXII teams making the NCAA's to come to fruition.
Southwell is too hesitant to shoot to be a shooting guard and I don't think Rodney has the speed needed to run as the two.
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agreed, CNS Casey. the strength and speed of b12 guards on the defensive side of the ball will strip Will of his soul, again.
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also, irving can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, southwell can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, orris can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, meyer (?) can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, Vulture can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s.
true enough. i think coaches think spradling is more likely to hit threes than those other players (despite the evidence to the contrary from his soph year). i think that's the reason why martin and now weber give him more minutes than the other players. that was the question i was responding to.
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Spradling hit 3's at a decent clip his first year.
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Spradling hit 3's at a decent clip his first year.
relatively speaking, it was good for a freshman but it was only 4 percent better than last year. look at the FTr
http://kstateupdate.com/kansas-state-basketball/roster_player/will-spradling
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Spradling hit 3's at a decent clip his first year.
relatively speaking, it was good for a freshman but it was only 4 percent better than last year. look at the FTr
http://kstateupdate.com/kansas-state-basketball/roster_player/will-spradling
confy games were 6% better. That's a significant difference.
what an ugly FTR trend.
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Curious about the effect of playing alongside Pullen exclusively as a freshman, as opposed to playing alongside Irving/Angel as a sophomore. I'd venture to say more than half the minutes last year were Will/Martavious backcourt minutes also. Does this matter? IDK. It'll be interesting to see if Spradlings numbers increase significantly the more he shares the floor with Angel.
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i think it's just a confidence issue. frank anally raped will and will hasn't been able to recover. hopefully he does better under oscar the panda bear.
imo, what made him decent his freshman year was he knocked down open j's and he hustled for loose balls. when he was asked to do more in the offense, he struggled, frank pressed, will crashed, frank pressed harder, will crashed farther, and things went from there.
there's no way that kid should ever be asked to be more than a spot up shooter and a decent defender at this level.
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i think it's just a confidence issue. frank anally raped will and will hasn't been able to recover. hopefully he does better under oscar the panda bear.
imo, what made him decent his freshman year was he knocked down open j's and he hustled for loose balls. when he was asked to do more in the offense, he struggled, frank pressed, will crashed, frank pressed harder, will crashed farther, and things went from there.
there's no way that kid should ever be asked to be more than a spot up shooter and a decent defender at this level.
Will Spreslip
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Will Spreslip
not similar players (style/skills), not similar shooters (quality).
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i think it's just a confidence issue. frank anally raped will and will hasn't been able to recover. hopefully he does better under oscar the panda bear.
imo, what made him decent his freshman year was he knocked down open j's and he hustled for loose balls. when he was asked to do more in the offense, he struggled, frank pressed, will crashed, frank pressed harder, will crashed farther, and things went from there.
there's no way that kid should ever be asked to be more than a spot up shooter and a decent defender at this level.
I see nothing to suggest that he is capable of being a decent defender.
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Will Spreslip
not similar players (style/skills), not similar shooters (quality).
I'd kill Gooch & fanning for Heslip over Doc, even though Heslip is a worst defender by about 97%.
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Will Spreslip
not similar players (style/skills), not similar shooters (quality).
I'd kill Gooch & fanning for Heslip over Doc, even though Heslip is a worst defender by about 97%.
Being able to do one thing exceptionally well is always highly valuable and usually able to justify at least two, maybe more murders.
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lol
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LBBIQ, what does Will provide us that justifies two different coaches giving him massive minutes, I just can't figure it out?? Fan ? Michigan? Sys?
irving sucks, southwell is beautiful to look at, but sucks at bball. spradling can play in the big 12 if he hits 3s. last year he didn't, but the other options suck.
agreed that spradling can play in the b12 if he can hit 3s.
also, irving can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, southwell can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, orris can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, meyer (?) can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s, Vulture can play in the big 12 if he can hit 3s.
Sorry if you already covered this but if Fred Brown had been capable of making 3 point field goals, could he too have played in the big 12, I'll hang up and listen.
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Will Spreslip
not similar players (style/skills), not similar shooters (quality).
I'd kill Gooch & fanning for Heslip over Doc, even though Heslip is a worst defender by about 97%.
Being able to do one thing exceptionally well is always highly valuable and usually able to justify at least two, maybe more murders.